Yet ANOTHER conservative (this time an evangelical pastor) has inappropriate sexual behavior exposed?
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imagine that, huh?\n\nwhile busily judging gays, and demonizing them for years, he was doing it himself.\n\nso typical!!
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When I was still a ministering among the misbelievers I frequently noted how often demonstrative revulsion toward a particular "sin" was how a person masked their fascination and obsession with it. Someone who vehemently railed against "fornication" was either fornicating at every opportunity,  were waiting for the opportunity to fornicate, or were actively trying to create scenarios ("making provisions for the flesh") in which they could engage in fornication and delude themselves and/or others they'd simply been caught in a weak moment. It never seemed that those who had relatively healthy sex lives had any interest in or concern over someone's else's sex life and whether or ot it was perverse. And while they'd acknowledge that "the Bibles says homosexuality is a sin", no married couple with a healthy sexual relationship ever seemed to think gay marriage actually threatened their own marriage in any way. More often than not deep, prayerful and continuous  concern about sexual sin in the world was something that manifested pretty exclusively in those whose sex lives were unsatisfactory in some way.
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You know, Haggard always struck me as possibly being gay. That being said, he was one of the more rational Evangelicals, one of the few who, you know, actually seemed COMPASSIONATE. I suspect it is true, but will withhold judgement.
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Preachers hiding their own scandals under a cloak of righteousness? This sure seems to be the case! I'm beginning to wonder about the chicken and the egg.  Does preaching hate against a group mean you're covering yourself, or does obsessive hate turn into compulsive behavior of the type you hate? Either way, it's another compelling reason to keep religion out of politics.
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this is starting to look like a blog . . . \n\nvboy who knows what is up with him and who cares . . . I know he asks a lot questions about homosexuals, cheating people, sex positions, how to cheat, how many times you had sex, etc . . . etc. And in the end he says all Muslims, homosexuals, and sinful people should be killed because they are going against gods will . . . \n\nTeaser . . . I don't give a damn if you are bi or not.  This is not the place for that.  If you are truly christian . . . don't the scriptures say to forgive the transgressor . . . for he know not what he is doing.  Ignore him . . . and leave it be.\n\nTZ - if thou is without sin, let him cast the first stone.  If not, back off . . . and get off her back. Do not judge lest ye be judged.\n\n- - - \n\nAs for myself . . . I don't really believe in god anymore . . . but I have studied in the past (while in search of god) . . . I have studied 15 major religions . . . I have also been an ordain minister, a pastor, a rabbi, a priest, an oracle, a vedic, even an akond  - but found everyone of them to be hypocritical . . . saying one thing while performing another . . .\n\nI am not perfect and I am not judging . . . but get off your high horse everyone . . . this is a place where people are supposed to ask questions and receive the best possible answers from their peers . . . this is not a bash site.\n\nHopefully this ends this and you take my advice and end it and live in peace.
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watching the video made me sick to my stomach. i can't answer why he made that joke. it is something you would have to ask him yourself. i believe all people are to be loved and not singled out because they live contrary to what the bible says. to be honest, i'm just speechless as to a pastor behaving in such a manner.
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As a conservative evangelical Christian, yes, I feel greatly misunderstood.  It seems there's a misconception that all Christians do is talk about God.  I have a career, kids, a mortgage, bills, and a wide variety of interests.  I'm a person, too!\n\nPeace.
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Last week's Newsweek had a wonderful article about Evangelical Christians' impact on laws and government, and developments of the Evangelical movement.\n\nI do believe that the fundamentalist Christian viewpoint is influencing policy a little too closely these days.  I believe firmly in the seperation of church and state, which is a founding principle of this country, despite what some folks will claim.  However, I don't necessarily think that mixing religion and politics is always a bad thing, particularly if it happens on an individual level.  By this I mean, for instance, a lawmaker who, because of his/her religious upbringing, values service to the poor.  Because he/she has this ethical value of helping the poor, he/she sets up a program in his/her district that offers skills training and assistance with job hunting to people on welfare.  \n\nHowever, when the mixing of religion and politics becomes more a matter of attempting to legislate a particular moral code or prohibiting certain things simply because this is part of this religion, then there is a problem.  I think we are seeing this in several areas.  The first is the constant attack on a woman's right to choose, which since Roe v. Wade is being steadily chipped away by legislation such as parental consent laws and the ban on third trimester abortions.  Another is the push and increase in funding to abstinence-only sex ed. programs in schools, which has been shown to be ineffective.  Speaking of abstinence-only, this also applies to AIDS relief funding.  The government requires AIDS-relief programs to spend a certain amount of money on promoting abstinence as a preventative measure, which has caused difficulties in many of these programs to effectively provide adequate preventative care.  There is a continuous push to teach "intelligent design," a theory with no backing from scientists (outside of a handful of Christian scientists), alongside the well-established evolutionary theory in public school science classrooms.  Less succesful has been efforts to re-establish official school prayer, although this issue pops up periodically (even though no-one is stopping students from praying privately in school, or establishing after-school prayer groups).  Funding has been effectively curtailed for stem-cell research, which has the potential to provide cures for several life-threatening illnesses, based on the fudnamentalist belief that human life begins at conception.  And of course, the current debate over gay rights and equal marriage.\n\nThere are also the self-stated goals of several Christian groups, to promote Christian values and the Christian way of life in government.  That doesn't sound so bad, if we're talking about promoting the values of "Love thy neighbor," "Turn thy cheek," "Blessed are the peace-keepers" and "Whatsoever you do onto the least of these, so to you do unto me."  However, when we start talking about things like, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live," I get very nervous.\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nI got your e-mail, the answer is yes.  I couldn't reply to the e-mail because your e-mail address hasn't been confirmed yet.
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what kind of sick f*ck does something like that? for a "born again christian, a compassionate conservative, a uniter - not a divider" he sure seems hell bent on destroying just about everything. but, i guess the idea of the biblical apocalypse might be something he'd like to bring on.
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Wow-very very true! I can't believe you picked up on that.I thought I was the only one. \n\nyou are very perceptive. Don't Libs understand that it's Christianity that makes them act that way?\n\neverybody listen to this guy-he knows what he's talking about.
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I'm a Christian myself, but I can't spend my time defending what other adherents of my faith do during their private lives.  We'll all have to own up to our sinful nature on a much bigger stage than Earth someday.\n\nI agree with others who say the timing of the Christian convention and the volume of porno rentals could be coincidental.  You'd think the hotel itself would have the decency to remove those items from the list as a gesture of respect.  Are they counting on this surge for profit?  What about alcohol or cigarette sales?\n\nIf you pay attention to how the world works in general, you'd realize that conventions at beachfront hotels bring out the worst behavior in the attendants.  They're essentiall on vacation from themselves.  Go to a typical medical convention some time-- you'll see respected brain surgeons swinging off chandeliers in togas, with a bottle of Jack Daniels in one hand and a 'secretary' in the other.  It's the nature of the convention beast.  There are always going to be a few frat boys in any large gathering of otherwise sober professionals.\n\nThat desk clerk is probably exaggerating to make a point.  The porno rental statistics may not change all that much from convention to convention, but she just happens to notice it more when a religious group is involved.
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The pastor you describe is an example of an extreme fundamentalist.  It is important to understand that every Baptist is not this way.  When he told you that you were living a life of sin, you should have told him that he was as well.  We need to remember that the Bible says that we have ALL sinned.\n\n30 years ago, fundamentalists led a takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention and those who disagreed with them were either forced out or chose to leave.  The result was the formation of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.  Look at the website I am putting below.  If there is a CBF church in your area, you will probably feel for comfortable there.  Your pastor may or may not be Southern Baptist, but I have known at least one pastor who had beliefs EXACTLY like those you described.  Feel free to send me a message if you have some other questions.
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Liberals are supposted to support homosexuality, why is it a problem for liberals that some pastor and Foley turned out to be gay.  I'm a republican and I could care less about gay marriage and the like.  Plus, Foley and that Haggard guy don't represent the entire republican party, me, or any other conservatives
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Conservatives don't have any more or less interest than anyone else. Religious nuts masquerading as Conservatives are uncomfortable with their own sexual insecurities/inadequacies and, rather than deal with them, try to bring everyone else down to their level so they can feel "normal."\n\nThe fact is that they are not "normal." A fixation or obsession with what's going on in somebody else's pants is a form of perversion in itself.\n\n.
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Is she serious. I am a born again Christian and I donot agree with what she is doing. Ya christians have a bad name now and thats making it worse. Well I know that Jesus loved homosexuals cause he sat and ate with them. Well I seriously think that video is rediculous.
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I was molested by a Christian minister and when I told my parents about it got spanked (I was 10) because they said I was lying. I told a deacon who then said I wanted him to do it. My sunday school teacher did the same. God knows this to be true and the man is still preaching in church to this day.
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Guardians of Perverts?, Gay ol' Preachers?