Question for Scientologists..?
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What you see of any celebrity via the media (press or TV) isn't \nusually going to be a "good example" of who they really are. What sells is "dirt", contraversy, etc.\nEspecially in Hollywood. This has been going on since the beginning in the 1920's and 30's when they stated the "gossip columns". Now it's a huge industry which has to be fed continuously. If they can get away with it and even if they can't (They get sued) it's still worth it financially.That's why they all have lawyers on board (the media) to weigh the costs of what they can get away with.\nIf  a celebrity creates a successful career and is also active in\nother areas of his or her life, cares about his fellow man, like Tom Cruise, he's a target for attack.\nLook at what happened to the Dixie Chix, and all that happened\nbecause the lead singer spoke up, gave her opinion. She didn't even DO anything.\nYou don't get to find out about what Tom Cruise is really like, what he does, how many people he helps. \nThe media builds the celebrity up into something excentric and\nlarger than life so that they can knock them down first chance they get.\nMartha Stewart, Michael Jackson, Brittany Spears,Mel Gibson...... the list goes on. It has nothing to do with religion.\nThe thing they can't figure out about Tom Cruise is he just keeps on being successful caring about his fans and people in general and doing and saying what he thinks is right. It doesn't matter what they do or say about him.\nNow that IS a very good example of what a Scientologist is all about.\nI should know , I've been a Scientologist for 34 years. I also know and care a lot more about Tom Cruise and what he does and is doing for his fellowman than his "celebrity".You will never find out what he is really like via the press or media.\nAs for his new wife Katie, looks to me like she loves the man.(Not the "celebrity")
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I have a better question: How many scientologists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
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Aha, a Question worthy of the Illuminati !
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*chuckle*  Well, being without belief in The Devil, I'd say no, but if you'd like to know just how strange and dangerous Scientology is, check out these links:\n\nThis is what they believe in (including aliens):\nhttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ap8nVqpmRkLIn2rqXNPxlCEjzKIX?qid=20061124162841AAdJv3F\nThis is how they view birth (complete silence):\nhttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061109120531AAVpKDj\nThis is how they sell their cult to others:\nhttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AsRBlApM2mdSw7XfXIAgOqwjzKIX?qid=20061125081249AAPtMJV\nThis is how much it costs to involve yourself in their cult:\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_as_a_business#Costs\nWatch this short video (around 4 minutes long):\nhttp://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/\nAnd this one:\nhttp://theunfunnysequel.ytmnd.com/
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As a Mason myslef, I know all about the conspiracy theories.  They are quite ridiculous, even funny, but I can understand why people come to those conclusions, since many people don't really understand what we are all about.  \n\nSince there are hundreds of conspiracy theories, I can't begin to address every one of them here, but I would be happy to answer any questions emailed to me.  For now I will only say that we are a group of men who are trying to do good in our lives and in the lives of others, and most of this work comes through charity.  How can a group that treats children all over the world with burns and bone issues FOR FREE, and gives over $2 million a day to charity be an evil group?\n\nFeel free to take me up on my offer to answer any questions you may have, and I'll do so honestly and openly.
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DUDE!!! The freemasons are the world's largest SATANIC organization.  Nothing about their "club" is christian or godly in any way, shape, or form.  The masons were founded in ancient Egypt during the time of the Hebrew enslavement... their purpose for being created was to haunt the children of the Father (Hebrews/Jews/believers in Messiah) throughout history and do all that they can to corrupt and destroy them.  Freemasons working for out US government's top-secret branches are responsible for the World Trade Center bombing as well as the Twin Tower airplane attack.  The freemasons are a satanic group... they are not Christian in any way.  The reason their guild is so secretive is because they do not want people to know about the animal, child, and human sacrifices they perform, they don't want people to know about their ritual sex orgies, they don't want the world to know that they are worshipping the devil and not the Father/Creator.  There are 26, 33, or 36 levels in the freemasons guild, can't remember precisely... anyhow, the first 3 levels are the "club" levels, where a bunch of wealthy fools sit around a men's/gentlemen's club talking about business, life, whatever comes to mind.  Mason recruiters browse the gatherings of the 3 entry levels into the guild and when they come across a man they believe to be corruptable or of evil-heart they will propose an offer that will begin moving that individual up through the higher ranks of the masons.  By the time an individual has reached the 16th rank of being a mason, that man will be required to perform his first animal sacrifice to Satan.  By the time an individual has progressed through the ranks and reached the HIGHEST 3 levels of masonry, they are at this time required to begin performing human sacrifices, participating in many satanic rituals, etc.  92% of all masons never make it past the first 3 levels, only 4% make it to level 16, only 2% make it past level 16, and only another 2% ever make it into the top 3 rankings of the masons... I know a man who was on the Freemasons' Council of the Thirteen... This is a 13 member council that runs most all of the western world... This man that I knew was a 26 year mason and had reached and surpassed the TOP 3 levels of ranking in his last 4 years as a mason.  This man in his last year of masonry was offered a seat as a council member.  He accepted the position and 5 months into being a council member, Satan or a high ranked demon appeared to the 13 men at a meeting they were having to discuss many things about the world economy and some wars that were going on... the dark spirit began attacking one of the council members after he made a "bad" suggestion about a situation that needed taking care of.  My friend began packing up his belongings in his house after that meeting that night so he could leave and escape the evil he had gotten himself into... he went back to 2 more council meetings, after which he planned on disappearing from any contacts he ever had.  At his second meeting, the one he planned to make his last, he was confronted by 3 council members who began accusing him of being a traitor and planning to expose the council.  I don't know how he talked his way out of it, and to this day he doesn't know how he did either, but after convincing the council he was dedicated to Satan and to the destruction of the world and to the masons guild, he left for the day and snuck his things out his house and has been a hunted man ever since.  He has several writings about the atrosities that the freemasons are commiting amongst the higher ranks, he has 1 book about the council of the 13 and how they run the western world and a small portion of 3rd world countries.  This man's wife and son were murdered the day after he snuck his belongings out his back door and snuck off to go into hiding.  He went back to his house the next day, cause his wife and son were asl
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Well I thought at first that was someone taking the mick, but you seem genuine and what you have written is true, even powerful but that's normally shared with christians not with those who will ridicule something (sacred) like that. A 'prophetic' word perhaps but is the place to share it? Will it be well received? Yes you have addressed it to christians but it just seems to be the wrong place to share it ...but then I could be wrong of course..
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I personally belief scientology is a pseudo-science and a pseudo-religion.  I think the Church of Scientology is a cruel dangerous cult that takes your money and your ability to reason enough to see so.  See the links to important information on the internet about scientology.\n\nTo find out about the beliefs of scientologists from a neutral site go here:\nhttp://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/scientology\nAnd more here:\nhttp://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/xenu\n\nThen go here to find out what this critic things of scientology.\nhttp://www.clambake.org/roland-intro.html\n\nTo quote south park creators:  "This is what scientologists really believe!" in this controversial episode of South Park:" http://www.xenutv.com/cruise/sp-closet.htm\n\nNow if they told you about Body Thetans, Implants & Xenu before you spend money 'getting rid of your problems' would you believe them?  This is where the Church of Scientology steps in and is a dangerous destructive cult and is no longer just a belief.  To Scientologists it may be their religion, I'm sorry my opinion offends, and hey if thats what they believe then thats fine with me, I don't have to believe it. \n\nHowever the Cult of $cientology is another matter.\n\n"The Church of Scientology is a vicious and dangerous cult that masquerades as a religion. Its purpose is to make money. It practices a variety of mind-control techniques on people lured into its midst to gain control over their money and their lives. Its aim is to take from them every penny that they have and can ever borrow and to also enslave them to further its wicked ends."\nhttp://www.clambake.org/roland-intro.html\n\nSee here for the whole site, it is very interesting but horrifying reading, there is a wealth of critical information on scientology.\nhttp://www.clambake.org  (Same as http://www.xenu.net )\n\nThe CofS has been investigated by governments and taken to court many times.  "Some European governments (including notably, Germany, Belgium, France, and Austria) do not consider the Church to be a bona fide religious organization, but instead a commercial enterprise and / or a cult." wikipedia.org/scientology\n\nHere are the court files:\nhttp://www.clambake.org/archive/CourtFiles/\n\nHere are some quotes from some judges:\nhttp://www.clambake.org/archive/judge_quotes.html\n\nCheck this site out, although warning it isn't pleasant http://www.lisamcpherson.org\n\nIf you like videos here is a good site: http://www.xenutv.com\n\nNow i've given you all those links it might only be fair to give you the official link too:\nhttp://www.scientology.org
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Hi Bethany,\n\nI am glad you are researching into it...I have had a lot of time for my own reasons to look into scientology and have found some rather worrying stuff on the subject.  I urge you to do a lot of research at not only the scientology sites and from his books but also from critical sites and the evidence they present, as well as there opinion.  These critical sites are often run by or added to by ex-members who have spent, often decades in scientology before realising the true nature behind it.  There are many philosophies, activities and help groups you can go to that do not involve money, that do work, and are not highly disputed by individuals, ex-members, scientists, governments & all the families whose loved ones have disconnected from them.\n\nIt is not endorsed by the mainstream scientific community and infact has many ideas and theories which have been flat out rejected.  He also did not do any of the research he claims to have done, or at least all the evidence of it mysteriously vanished.\n\nAre you aware that Hubbard thought that religions are an implant (R6 implant that forms the basis of your reactive mind)\nhttp://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/xenu\n\nYou are right to suspect of the Church of Scientology as a cult and that it exhibits less than desirable actions, such as all these court transcripts, or Operation Snowflake, or the way it hounds its critics...\nhttp://www.clambake.org/archive/CourtFiles/\nhttp://www.clambake.org/archive/judge_quotes.html\nhttp://www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk/bonniewoods.htm\nhttp://www.scientology-lies.com/investigation.html\n\nHere is a paper presented at the Society for the Scientific Study of Religion, November, 1991\nhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/kent/isc.html\n\nAlso see this Govt. Report:\nhttp://www.xenu.net/archive/audit/fosthome.html\n\nHere is an info pack on what scientology might not tell you, written mainly by ex-members:\nhttp://www.clambake.org/archive/infopack/\n\nHere is something that explains their practices\nhttp://www.clambake.org/archive/techniques/\n\nYou might also like to read these accounts by ex-members:\nhttp://www.clambake.org/archive/books/apobs/\nhttp://www.clambake.org/archive/books/isd/isd.htm\nhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/xenu/xenu.html\n\nPlease review the following sites as well as any you might have read given to you by the Church of Scientology.\n\nhttp://www.xenu.net\nhttp://www.factnet.org\nhttp://www.truthaboutscientology.com\nhttp://www.scientology-lies.com\nhttp://www.lermanet.com\nhttp://www.xenutv.com\n\nIf you still want to follow Hubbards Teaching pls do so in the FreeZone not the CofS.  It is much cheaper, original tech, and without the cult thing.\n\nhttp://www.fzaoint.net     \nhttp://www.fza.org     \nhttp://www.freezone.org\n\nAnd just to be fair here is the Official site for the Church of Scientology:\nhttp://www.scientology.org\n\nPlease do the reading and make an informed decision, I wish you all the best for the future no matter what decision you make.
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great post, ranger.\n\nanother thing, too.  christians have difficulty admitting they are a cult.  they are a cult, that's true.\n\nand you are right.  this country was not based on christianity, or the Framers would have declared that in all of those instruments you described.  at least one of them!  \n\nit's amazing where chrisitians "claim" to see christianity, even where it doesn't exist!!\n\nthe idiot, above, who said "you have a self-esteem issue yourself" simply because you posed this question -- he just proved part of your point for you.  these people never cease to amaze me.  i can hardly wait to see how many call you "angry" just for posting these facts.  they'll try to make you look bad, so they can look better, in their own eyes.\n\nsome idiots will come back and try to say "this country is over 2/3 christian" blah blah blah...\n\nwell, guess what?  this country is mostly WHITE.  so, is the US a "White Country"??  get real, you morons!!!\n\nanother thing -- before you clueless cows come on here yakking about "IGWT" on our currency (and "under god" in the pledge of allegiance), let's rememebr it never showed up on our currency until the McCarthy-paranoia of the 1950's.  The comment in the pledge was also added in the 1950's.  Also, IGWT was only placed on a very few US coins right after the Civil War, almost 100 years after the country's founding.  So, that's also an invalid argument.  These things came later!\n\nI already predict that people will lie and claim that most of the Framers were xians.  And then, they'll use "quotes" from madison and jefferson and many others -- quotes that these Framers NEVER QUOTED and that you will not find anywhere in the Smithsonian.  These are all quotes that have been re-edited by Falwell and Co. to make things "look christian".  Been there, done that.  Keep trying, folks.  Like Ranger, I feel sorry for you for needing to go to such lengths to make your religion look better.  It's too bad that you must lie like that!
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I recently became a Scientologist and saw a marked improvement in my I.Q. This is due to me looking up words that I don't understand in a dictionary, then using the word in sentences until I understand the word. This allows me to tackle subjects that I would never have believed I could understand prior to Scientology. This above information is part of Study Tech developed by L Ron Hubbard, use it in your own life and see if you notice the improvements, all the best!
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From what I know of the Mormons, it is a very real possibility when the right unstable moment arises.  Scientologists are harder to read.  The Mormons have amassed quite a fortune and power base to do most anything their imagination might come up with.  So far, they have been quiet and formed very successful communities, but what they are doing behind the scenes is a cause for some concern.
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Yep, there are currently over 8 million Scientologists in more that 150 countries world wide. However we are a new religion, only 55 years old so you will have to give us a bit more time as we just got started.\nThe true story of Scientology as a religion goes like this:\n1. A philosopher developes a philosophy about life and death.\n2. People find it interesting.\n3. People find it works.\n4. People pass it along to others.\n5. It grows.\nAs to your question about our "beliefs",  this is a hard one to answer\nbecause nothing in Scientology is true for you unless it is true for YOU. And even then, it is only true for you, according to YOUR observation and experience . This is a very important point of personal integrity in Scientology.\nSo it really isn't any kind of belief system. This is quiet different from most other religions. One usually tries to understand something by comparing it to other similar things, so with Scientology, as a religion\nit is hard to understand it in this way, because it does not have this particular similarity with other religions.\n\nFollowing is a pretty good description of what it is. I hope this helps you to understand it better:\n\nScientology is an applied religious philosophy. When I say "applied" I mean you actually use it in your life to change or improve existing conditions. This is different from a religious practice. All religions if you learn about them have a basic philosphy, but they also have certain dogma, rituals and observances, and a certain faith or belief is required. There is nothing wrong with this, but Scientology is not that kind of religion. It does not intrude on anyones faiths of beliefs particularly in the area of God , the Supreme Being, or the Infinite. This area is left totally up to the indivdual, which is why you can be a practicing Jew or Atheist,for example and still use and apply the priniciples of Scientology in your life. It does not conflict. If anything it will enhance your understanding of your chosen religious practice.\nAnd it is only true for you according to your own observation and experience with it.\nIt is a non denominational religion . The dictionary definition that applies:\nReligion: The spiritual or emotional attitude of one who recognises the existence of superhuman power or powers.\n\nThe most basic principle of Scientology is that YOU are your own immortal soul, that this is not a "thing" you HAVE but what YOU actually are.\nThe whole purpose of Scientology is to increase an individual's understanding and awareness of himself. And thereby his native abilities .\nWhen you do this the sphere and zone of his positive influence increases and moves outward into his life, his family ,his friends, his groups and mankind which he is part of.\n\nHow this result is achieved is the "technology" of Scientology, which was developed by L.Ron Hubbard after his extensive research and the discoveries he made, about the human spirit.\nHe completed his research before his death in 1986 and left all of his results and copyrights\nto the Church of Scientology along with most of his considerable estate., when he died.\n\nHe published a book in 1951 to communicate the basic principles he discovered called: " Scientology The Fundementals of Thought"
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Yep, Scientologist here,\n(It seems that "Liam" whoever he is, has anticipated me, I must have started to annoy him somehow.)\n\nHere is a very brief outline. I hope it answers your question. Let me know.\n\nScientology is an applied religious philosophy. When I say "applied" I mean you actually use it in your life to change or improve existing conditions. This is different from a religious practice. All religions if you learn about them have a basic philosphy, but they also have certain dogma, rituals and observances, and a certain faith or belief is required. There is nothing wrong with this, but Scientology is not that kind of religion. It does not intrude on anyones faiths of beliefs particularly in the area of God , the Supreme Being, or the Infinite. This area is left totally up to the indivdual, which is why you can be a practicing Jew or Atheist,for example and still use and apply the priniciples of Scientology in your life. It does not conflict. If anything it will enhance your understanding of your chosen religious practice.\nAnd it is only true for you according to your own observation and experience with it.\nIt is a non denominational religion . The dictionary definition that applies:\nReligion: The spiritual or emotional attitude of one who recognises the existence of superhuman power or powers.\n\nThe most basic principle of Scientology is that YOU are your own immortal soul, that this is not a "thing" you HAVE but what YOU actually are.\nThe whole purpose of Scientology is to increase an individual's understanding and awareness of himself. And thereby his native abilities .\nWhen you do this the sphere and zone of his positive influence increases and moves outward into his life, his family ,his friends, his groups and mankind which he is part of.\n\nHow this result is achieved is the "technology" of Scientology, which was developed by L.Ron Hubbard after his extensive research and the discoveries he made, about the human spirit. The basic religious philosophy and knowledge of Scientology is very old, going back 10,000 years at least to the Veda or Vedic Hymns from the East. The  developement of the technology is new.\nHe completed his research before his death in 1986 and left all of his results and copyrights\nto the Church of Scientology along with most of his considerable estate., when he died.\n\nHe published a book in 1951 to communicate the basic principles he discovered called: " Scientology The Fundementals of Thought"\nThere are currently over 8 million Scientologists in more that 150 countries world wide. However we are a new religion, only 55 years old. \nThe true story of Scientology as a religion goes like this:\n1. A philosopher developes a philosophy about life and death.\n2. People find it interesting.\n3. People find it works.\n4. People pass it along to others.\n5. It grows.
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You are correct.   \n\nIsn't it funny that even without investigating a religion and just "saying" you are a part of it doesn't spawn even a little bit of knowledge about it.   Your examples of the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons were right on target.  Both were created as off-shoots of Christianity with major rule changes and drastic Bible reinterpretations/rewrites.    The founders of each cult have been caught in lies/treachery/deceit, yet they are overlooked in lieu of the bigger picture.     L. Ron Hubbard is a completely different story.....just reading his materials should be enough to discredit him.\n\nYou haven't even touched on Kaballa and other such "stylish religions".
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Probably the fact that people like me are willing to speak out about the REALITY of their dangerous cult.\n\nIt's a CULT. Despite what a few fanatical members may say, it IS a cult. The church harasses and bullies anyone who they deem an "enemy" (basically anyone who has anything negative to say about the "church"). They will RUIN YOUR LIFE if you speak out against them long enough.\n\nThe founder is L. Ron Hubbard, the science FICTION writer who once told a friend that the best way to make lots of money is to start your own religion. Though being a very outspoken critic of psychiatric drugs, it was discovered upon Hubbards death that the anti-anxiety drug hydroxyzine (Vistaril) was present in his body, which several of his assistants would later attest was only one of many psychiatric and pain medications Hubbard ingested over the years. (link to page explaining what hydroxyzine is: http://www.drugs.com/mtm/v/vistaril.html )\n\nScientologists believe the evil alien ruler Xenu killed a lot of aliens (Thetans) from around the universe by bringing them to earth & blowing them up inside volcanoes. They believe the souls of these aliens (called "Body Thetans") have attached themselves to us & cause many of our mental & physical ills. Even members of the Church of Scientology who know of Xenu will publicly deny the existence of Xenu & Body Thetans, or attempt to minimize their importance. Scientology has many graduated levels through which one can progress. Many who remain at lower levels in the church are unaware of much of the these doctrines, which mostly begin at Operating Thetan level three, or "OT III". Because the information imparted to members is to be kept secret from others who have not attained that level, the member must publicly deny its existence when asked. OT III recipients must sign a waiver promising never to reveal its secrets before they are given the manila envelope containing the Xenu knowledge.\n\nTo rid ourselves of "Body Thetans" and also “engrams” (past negative experiences stored in our unconscious mind) so that we can become “clear”, we have to go through "auditing" with a member of the “church” who uses an "e-meter" to measure our “reactive mind”... & we have to pay lots and lots of money for “auditing” (purchased in 12.5-hour blocks, costing anywhere from $750 for introductory sessions to between $8,000 & $9,000 for advanced sessions) and to take courses on Scientology to advance to higher “levels” in the “church”. The “church” has also taken a very hostile stance towards psychiatry & psychiatric drugs irrespective of the fact that some people require medication to remain adequately functional in everyday life. They deny the reality of chemical imbalance & profound mental disturbance & accordingly do NOTHING to effectively stabilize the dangerously unstable. The “church” has been known to withhold prescription pharmaceuticals from member (with deadly results).\n\nScientology is undeniably a cult. For more information on what a cult is & what their damaging effects are, please visit the link provided at the bottom of the sources. Just know that Scientology DOES qualify by meeting these 5 criteria:\n\n(1) It uses psychological coercion to recruit, indoctrinate & retain its members. (2) It forms an elitist totalitarian society. (3) Its founder leader is self-appointed, dogmatic, messianic, not accountable & has charisma. (4) It believes 'the end justifies the means' in order to solicit funds & recruit people. (5) Its wealth does not benefit its members or society.
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Well said Liam,but I think you are far too gentlemanly in your replies to foxtel.This guy is obviously a Scientoligist,which means you cannot have a rational debate with him.He has threatened you with the rtc,this is gang whose sole purpose is to hound,threaten & discredit any-one who dares to disagree with Scientology.They hire private detectives to dig up dirt to blackmail critics into silence,and expensive lawers to threaten legal proceedings.Scietology is not a religeon,it' a mafia,dedicated to gaining as much money & power as possible,using any means,no matter how vile.