Did Rummy Cut N Run on the troops or Did Bush Lie and Flip Flop and  Fire him?
816033
Well despite my dislike for the simplistic language Bush lied and Flip Flopped.  He knew he was going to fire Rummy, but he thought it would be better to wait until after the election.
725964
He said he was talking about Bush, but I don't believe it for a minute.  That's just a convenient after-the-fact excuse.\n\nI'm sure he got nothing but stunned silence after saying what he did.  If he was truly talking about Bush, he should have immediately clarified what he meant.  He didn't.\n\nHe's made disparaging remarks about the military before, especially after returning from Vietnam.
609361
Well, there are a few variables that would need to come into play if that were to happen.\nFirst of all, YES, HE DID LIE UNDER OATH:  the oath he took when "sworn in" as president.. so, I don't want any more comparisons to "Clinton lied, bush didn't".. bacause, again bush has lied to all of us!\nHowever, in order for this (UGH) president to be impeached, we will have to have a democratic (or liberal) congress.  If this does finally take place in November, the boy may be impeached, after all!\nMe; I'm all for it!  \nAnd, by the way:  Nixon was impeached during Viet Nam.. so, yes;  we can impeach him even though we are at war!  Of course, the boy did say the war was over about 3 years ago.. hmmm... rmeember the whole "Mission Accomplished" fiasco?
312517
Eh... lie may be a strong word... I would say... \n\nWhy is it that Bush is incompetent...and it's ok with republicans...\nI mean the list goes on and on... even if you don't want to argue about "why" we invaded Iraq, but what we've done since "mission accomplished" has been one incompetent step after another... with generals yelling the whole way that this is a bad idea...\n\nand ports... and harriet meyers... and the listening in on America with no oversight... and not going after osama... and "WMD" and oil prices (I mean release the reserve already)
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Yes, but tell that to Bush......\n\nRumsfeld made the call. Before invading Iraq all of the Generals were saying we need 300,000 troops min. Rumsfeld thought of it like a company. Wanted to save money. Only 125,000 was sent. The Iraqie people rioted. Then thought oh if we can do this then we can kill americans.\n\nNot only that but the people that fought the Russians in afgan, which is called the muchiadian. (don't know about spelling) Slipped into Iraq. Along with people from Iran which sponsers the most Terriost cells then any other country. Along with people all over the middle east.\n\nThe first thing secured was oil production. Not WMD, Not explosive supply caches, Not radioactive material sites.\n\nThe boarders should have been secured. The country should have been shutdown from outside visitors. The War should have gone on longer to weed out any fighters. Any loyal Republican gaurds. \n\nThe Iraqi Army should have not been obloshished by Bremmer.\n\nRumsfeld made the most mistakes. He should take responsibility and retire. He also tired twice but Bush wouldn't allow it.  The message is not to him. Its too Bush. \nIf this were a company everyone would have been fired.\n\nIf you look at History Bush will keep the FucIc ups close to him. They only person that I know of that has gotten fired from making mistakes in his cabinet is the guy that was incharge of FEMA.\n\nThis is Bush's personal war. Because Saddam tired to kill his daddy.
783823
If he was gone 1 year ago, it might have made a difference. 3 weeks ago, the results would have been the same. Bush has no strategy other than to lie, make excuses, and blame others. He even lied about wanting to keep Rumsfeld.
852610
Seems likely in view of the fact that two or three weeks ago Bush lied that Rumsfeld would be staying on for the next two years.  Apparently a lie since he "accepted" Rumsfeld's resignation the morning after the election.  Speaking of....if there is to be a trial against Rumsfeld, would it consider Bush and Cheney as accomplishes?
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Went to your first link and found the quote, the exact words. So they did report it.\n\nI've now heard three explanations of what happened. One it was a joke. Two, it was a joke and he messed up his lines, and now it was a statement about Bush.\n\nNow, I can understand how anyone can mess up a prepared speech, but to say you stand behind your statement and then say that its a botched joke about the president....and they know that’s what I was talking about.\n\nYes I know what you were talking about, our troops, you said it plain and simple.\n\nI don't understand why John Kerry just doesn't apologize for the statement, unless he meant it about our troops.
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i think bush is a liar
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First, he didn't lie. If you want to prove he lied, first list all the reasons he gave for going into Iraq, then show proof, from a valid news source that these were false, and that they were known to be false prior to the military action.\n\nOtherwise, why did the UN and Congress both authorize the use of force?\n\nAs for after he retires from office, at least he won't be some nasty asshole dictator-fellating terrorist-apologist lying sack of bitter manure like Carter or Clinton have been. Those 2 are intolerably loathsome for undermining America in the face of their enemies.
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Let's see, Rummy ran away, (not sure why he resigned,) Cheney has become nearly invisible (have you seen him lately ?) It would have to be a tie between those two. I almost feel sorry for Bush at this point. It LOOKS like he's left holding the bag, so to speak. \np.s. - I don't recall "you" being an option. People on here are testy today.
806110
Didn't Rumsfeld resign?
1146004
Oh little minds . The president lied with all his information coming from Clinton era appointed intelligence agency's. There is no way on earth that Bush had the opportunity or time to place real intelligent men at these jobs. So he had to believe these people were telling him the truth. He may be guilty of passing on a lie told to him but not making up the story himself. if you will remember most of the rest of the free world held the same views.\nRemember the intelligence folks had training in truth fullness from their commander in chief Who did not have sex with that Woman.
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Human sacrifice. The republicans are scratching their heads trying to figure out what went wrong and had to offer someone up to the demons of failure.\n\nIt always bothered me that the top to people in this country were telling the generals how to fight a war and neither one of them ever served in active duty. At least not according to what I have read on them.\n\nI'm glad he is gone, I don't believe he was willing to ask the generals, " what do you need."  I fear he was dictating the war to them without knowing what the blazes he was talking about. \n\nAnd GWB? Hah, he flew trainer planes for the national guard. I don't believe he ever studied military tactics much beyond the basics. Those two are the reason the Iraq mess has spun out of control. Too few troops initially and too few good ideas of how to manage the situation. And they were unwilling to accept feedback       \n from the men in the battle. What a crappola way to wage a conflict. \n\nAll the talk about torture being acceptable and the laws passed to make us safer???  I feel I need to be more afraid of a government out of control then I do of al quaida.......\n\nNAH NAH NAH    HEY HEY HEY    GOODBYE........
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He asked Dubya, who declined from going on a lame Duck hunt. In order to be polite about the refusal, he went to Vietnam! While there Bush said some more random crap and shot himself in the foot, then stuck his foot in his mouth to stop the flow of stupidity from coming out his mouth.\nCheney did have a taker on the hunting trip. Sorry folks. Rush Limbaugh went on the hunt with Cheney. Dick got tired of listening to Rush rambling on and actually took aim. His show will not air until he sees Foley, who will no doubt fish out the buckshot from his arse.
877703
It's called falling on your sword.  People have been complaining about Rumsfeld and the aimless way the war in Iraq has been conducted.  He should have been fired in 2004.  After the Republican's monumental loss last night, Bush had to make a show that he finally gets it.  Yeah, they said Rumsfeld resigned, but he was asked to resign to make it look like Bush is making a fresh start.
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He was lying, he admitted as much himself, end of story. What, are they going to say he was lying about lying, so that at least he told the truth twice? (LOL) Now, let's hope his previous statement (about Rummy staying until the end of his presidency) proves to be prophetic, and we can get rid of Bush, as well.