Question for Muslims regarding Old Testament Bible ..................?
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Since there is no original copy of the OT present today, no one knows what was changed and altered.\n\n\nIsa 29:15  You are in for trouble, if you try to hide your plans from the LORD! Or if you think what you do in the dark can't be seen. \nIsa 29:16  You have it all backwards. A clay dish doesn't say to the potter, "You didn't make me. You don't even know how." \n\n(JPS)Isa 29:16   O your perversity! ...\n\n(KJV+)  Surely your turning of things upside down...\n\n\n\n2Co 11:13  Anyway, they are no more than false apostles and dishonest workers. They only pretend to be apostles of Christ. \n2Co 11:14  And it is no wonder. Even Satan tries to make himself look like an angel of light. \n2Co 11:15  So why does it seem strange for Satan's servants to pretend to do what is right? Someday they will get exactly what they deserve.
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old school, it`s one but it`s literature buddy!!!\n\nI`d like to add more\n\nScientists’ Comments on the Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran: \nThe following are some comments of scientists1 on the scientific miracles in the Holy Quran.  All of these comments have been taken from the videotape entitled This is the Truth.  In this videotape, you can see and hear the scientists while they are giving the following comments.  (To view the RealPlayer video of a comment, click on the link at the end of that comment.  For a copy of this videotape, please visit this page.) \n \n\n1)  Dr. T. V. N. Persaud is Professor of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.  There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years.  He is well-known in his field.  He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 181 scientific papers.  In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists.  When he was asked about the scientific miracles in the Quran which he has researched, he stated the following: \n\n“The way it was explained to me is that Muhammad was a very ordinary man.  He could not read, didn’t know [how] to write. In fact, he was an illiterate.  And we’re talking about twelve [actually about fourteen] hundred years ago.  You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements and statements and that are amazingly accurate about scientific nature.  And I personally can’t see how this could be a mere chance.  There are too many accuracies and, like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements.”  (View the RealPlayer video of this comment ) \n\nProfessor Persaud has included some Quranic verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad  in some of his books.  He has also presented these verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad  at several conferences. \n\n2)  Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson is the Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA.  Formerly, he was Professor of Ob-Gyn and the Chairman of the Department of Ob-Gyn at the University of Tennessee, Memphis, Tennessee, USA.  He was also the President of the American Fertility Society.  He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynecology Public Recognition Award in 1992.  Professor Simpson studied the following two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad : \n\n{In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days...}2 \n\n{If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones....}3 \n\nHe studied these two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad  extensively, noting that the first forty days constitute a clearly distinguishable stage of embryo-genesis.  He was particularly impressed by the absolute precision and accuracy of those sayings of the Prophet Muhammad .  Then, during one conference, he gave the following opinion: \n\n“So that the two hadeeths (the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad ) that have been noted provide us with a specific time table for the main embryological development before forty days.  Again, the point has been made, I think, repeatedly by other speakers this morning: these hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available [at] the time of their writing . . . . It follows, I think, that not only there is no conflict between genetics and religion but, in fact, religion can guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scienti
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Everbody here seems to be an expert, but their answers are all partially incorrect.\n\nWhat Christians call the Old Testament is a adaptation of the Jeiwsh Tanakh, or Jewish Bible.  The difference is that the Christian Ol Testament contain 6 xtra chapters that are not part of the Jewish Bible.  In addition, many of the words in the Christian version are mistranslated by accident or on purpose!  The changes were made to support the Idea that Jesus is the true messiah which the Jews do not accept.\n\nNotice that many Christian rely on the KJV bible, or King James Version.  This was created over one thosand years after Jesus died.  KIng James was not a bible expert, he just decided what he wanted and printded his own version.\n\nThe bst way to know what the Tanakh contains in its original for is to get a English trnaslation of it.  It is know that the version Jews use today is almost exaclty the same word for word as the original version created thousands of years ago.\n\nSo to answer your question, Jews ignore the "Old Testament" completely!  In fact, Christians should be reading the Tanakh!
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I have not heard of it.  My opinion is that the best English translation of the Bible is the New Revised Standard Version.  Better than this is to understand the original languages of course, but since that is a big task, one ought to have an interlinear version available.  This has each word in Hebrew or Greek with the meaning of that word below it, together with a translation.  You can make use of Strong's Concordance, and a Hebrew Lexicon or dictionary (or Greek as the case may be) and get a pretty good idea of what the verses are really saying.
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here is the problem with the translation. that's why i say the Bible of today cannot be accurate to the word of God. \n\ngood job making a big list of nothing so to make hard for anyone to correct it. as i will not spend a minute trying to explain things to you\n\nand to answer your question. it feels wonderful being muslim. and it feels peace. \n\ni understand everyone think his religion is the true one, but with this one (islam) it's exception. i don't think i actually Know it's a religion from the God who created the word. \naccept it or not, it's up to you. and once death comes to you then you will know.
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The Quran and the Bible both have some things in common (in spite of the many differences) because they are both the words of Allah.\nHowever, sadly some changed the Bible and it is no more the words of God. \nSo, Allah send Muhammad PBUH as a messenger to correct the mistakes that both Christians and Jews made.\nand he promised Muslims the complete protection of their book.\nAnd it is to this day the same literally even the handwriting is kept the same.
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To all who are questioning the authenticity of Quran, listen carefully. Quran may be ritten down by a man aka Prophet Mohammad (SAW) but it is the word of God. As for the Bible, the Bible too is a word of GOd, the only difference being, Bible gets updated each yr. Each y new testaments come out. Wat kind of a religion updates ands changes itself, adding in, what was never there originally. Quran is as original as it gets, because it has never been changed, the true Bible is lost. \nAlso the Quran is about all the prophets, combined.\n\nJesus back on earth eventaully was not only said int eh Bible, it was also in the Quran. The Muslims beleive that as well. SO next time you want to pin soemthing like that, it wouldnt do u harm to go learn something first. \n\nEverything so far which has happened in the war,as in the major scene, was already recorded iin the Quran. Nothing the Bible has said as of yet has come to pass. People can relate certain things to other things said and done in the past, but that does not mean that that is wat was originally meant. \n\nI hate when poeple try riting answers and comments about other peoples relgions, when they themselves do not know nething worthwile. If you have any questions about the religoin Islam, ask, dont assume, and dont make up crap.
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The bible was written over thousands of years, most of the Old Testament in Hebrew (parts in Aramaic), and the New Testament written in Greek. \nThe problem is that languages change with time and misuse, so old books need retranslating to maintain accuracy (i.e. does the translation mean to a modern reader in the translated language what it did to a contemporary reader in the ancient language).\nModern Greek is different from 1st century Greek. Modern Hebrew is different from ancient Hebrew. US English is different from UK English. Egyptian arabic is different from Modern Standard Arabic.\nwww.biblegateway.com has 19 English translations plus lots of other languages, including Arabic. Most translators work from the oldest texts available in the original languages. Some of these are very, very old.\nFor a demo of some of the difficulties translators face, paste a paragraph into http://babel.altavista.com/tr, ask it to translate it into a different language, then cut & paste it back in to translate it back into the start language and see what you get.\nThere is some useful stuff about bible translation on www.ibs.org.\nIn the 2nd letter from the apostle Paul to Timothy chapter 3 he wrote:-\n    14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it,\n    15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.\n    16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,\n    17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.\n\nFind an up to date translation (e.g. NIV or NKJV in English) or Arabic if you find it easier, read it with an open mind and you will be blessed.\n\nShukran for your question.
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I agree with you, I'm a born again Christian too.  However, Muslims rewrote the Bible to accomodate their beliefs.  I once read that the Koran is a collection of passages "lifted and twisted" from the Bible ... no offense to any Muslims out there, but I guess the truth hurts.
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Note: The word "Bible" comes from the Koine Greek word "biblios" and it simply means the same as the word "book" in English. Nowhere in the Bible do we find the word "Bible." However, it is interesting to note the word "kitab" (Bible in Arabic) appears many times in the Quran, referring to the Bible and the People of the Book (Jews and Christians). \n\nLet me begin by saying that the King James "version" of the Bible is in English. There was no English language until the year 1066 AD when the Normans invaded the Saxxons. Therefore the English Bible cannot be anything like what any of the prophets spoke or understood, as it did not exist in their times.\n\nNext, my grandfather, who was a devout and wonderful Christian man gave a gift of the Holy Bible to my sisters and I almost fifty years ago. It was an authorized version of the Bible, being The Revised Standard Version of the Bible which was a revised version of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a version of the King James Version, published in 1611, which was revised and corrected for the first time in 1612, etc. I was very much impressed with the easier to read text and clarification of some of the wording which was presented in this version and began to read the Bible on a daily basis for hours at a time. The removal of the Elizabethton English terms, phrases and expressions made the Bible a more accessible and understandable and intimate Book for me. But that is not all the RSV did for me and many others, as well.\n\nMy love and respect  for the Word of God increased the more that I spent time reading and understanding the message. The Bible became my most prized and respected book in my life. I often turned to it throughout the rest of my life in times of joy, happiness, sadness, troubles and pain. It was my compass, my road map, my weather vane and my friend. However, there were still some problems with this IMPROVED VERSION of the Holy Bible. It began to disturb and concern me to the extent that I made consultation with my father, who was also an ordained minister and student of the Bible since childhood. Based on his research and background in the origin and sources for modern day Christianity, I began to go deeper into the problems which had plagued my thinking and faith since childhood.\n\nI prayed to Almighty God and then found the answers to some of the problems were spelled out very clearly in the very beginning of the exact same book.  I have that book lying in front of me on my desk as I write this article and would like to quote to you from some of the PREFACE page iii and iv: \n\n"The King James Version has with good reason been termed 'the noblest monument of English prose.' Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration of 'its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of express... the music of its cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm.' It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt."\n\n"Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for a revision of the English translation. The task was undertaken, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870. The English Revised Version of the Bibles was published in 1881-1885; and the American Standard Version, its variant embodying the preferences of the American scholars associated in the work, was published in 1901."\n\n"Because of the unhappy experience with unauthorized publications in the two decades between 1881 and 1901, which tampered with the text of the English Revised Version in the supposed int
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Do they exactly say so? Not really. Let me tell you some points about Muslims' belief in Bible:\n1. Gospel was revealed to Eesa (Jesus). \n2. There is no longer any book that remained as it was revealed by Allah, neither the Gospel nor anything else, apart from the Qur’aan.\n\nBible was surely a valid source of truth. But it was written by people long after Jesus disappeared, whose level of knowledge and honesty is unknown. The contradictions in these books and their shortcomings are among the strongest evidence that they have been distorted and that they are not the Gospel (Injeel) that Allaah revealed to Jesus. \n\nMuslims definitely believe that Jesus was a major prophet, and bible was revealed to him from God (Allah), even though Christians deny Islam & Muhammad.
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simply because God has promised that he will save the Quran and he won't allow anybody to change anything from it!!prophet Mohammad(pbuh) had fought and struggled enough enable to let all people know what Quran is so God promised him that he would never let anybody change the holy Quran and i hope that it will never change!!God bless you!!
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Muslims accept the Bible as their early history.
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I am not saying that your argument is wrong and you may have a point but that only lead you to another thing to proove. If you believe that the Bible was altered by comparing it to the Torah, how sure are you then that the Torah was not altered? Your statement indicates that the Torah is never altered and that's the reason why you compared the writings of the Bible to it, right? Now, why then do you believe that the Torrah has not been altered while the Muslims say otherwise. That authority is even being put to the test by other faiths. They claim that both the Torah and the Holy Bible have been corrupted. So, that leaves you another question to answer and I think you have to proove that too. If then you have proven that the Torah has been altered too, naturally you will have another option to consider and that is to revert to Islam and find out if it too is really a true religion. I wish you good luck.
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How long do you think it will be before a person or group successfully reassembles the bible to include recently discovered religious texts that they feel better suit modern times?\n\nNever.  For all practical purposes, the Bible as now been “set in stone.”\n\nWhat do you think about this?\n\nI believe that those who tend to be the loudest on this topic have either done the least amount of study or have very extensive time invested in their current belief.  Most claim as articles of fact pieces of information which are not true.  Less than one in one billion (if any) could give me that actual names of the men who met to determine which books and works were included in either Testament.  Yet they propose that these men were inspired by G-d to make these choices for all time.  They are seem to ignore that most works which were not included were systematically searched for and burned as heretical.  The mere fact that any remain after 2000 years is a miracle.\n\nWhat will the cultural/spiritual ramifications of this be?\n\nA continuation of our current position.  As beautiful as the KJV is to read, it is flawed.  This fact has been shown over and over again by scholars who do know the languages involved.  Yet look at the number of supporters that it has.  The sad part of this is that many who claim to understand the meaning of the KJV of the Bible (which is a very serious and metaphysical work) do not understand and cannot follow a simple Shakespearean play (which is light entertainment) that was written at about the same time.  What does this yell you about the ignorance of humans?  And ignorance is bliss.\n\nIf God is really solely responsible for the bible's contents why does he have hundreds of millions of Christians using different versions?  And how would a new version be any worse?\n\nThose humans who claim to be privileged to the plans or purposes of Divinity are deluded.  No human has that capability.  Only Divinity is perfect.  Humanity is arrogant, not understanding that the message is important, not the delivery of the message.  Those that must quote scripture for every answer (especially those claiming that it is the Word of G-d) are probably idolaters.  They have worshipped the written word instead of Divinity.  Each believing that they are right and all others wrong.  They are the cause of the fragmentation of the Church and people like them are usually too stubborn to see their own sins.\n\nA new version of the Bible is not needed.  These recently discovered and translated works should be made available to the widest reading audience for study and debate.  At least by those who are capable of understanding that Humanity did not have the message right then and still is lacking in understanding.  This is human nature.  Divinity is the only proper judge; and Divine Judgment, unlike human opinion and understanding, IS perfect.
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Quran language if i am not wrong
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peace..\nalQuran alkareem never been changed. also it wasn't written by any human hand. it was given from god directly to our prophet(pbuh). we have one unique version of the quran. so if u brought a quran from iran, australia and canada, the 3 books will evolve the same exact things. if there's one point or coma in the first one u'll find it in the other one. we have the stories of all prophets and messengers of god from the beginning of life till the end (day of judgement).\nthe Bible which i respect it also becoz it's a book from god, but hard luck it was written by people. it was written regarding to the point of view of the apostles about what happenned and the real version of jesus christ desappeared.\nso u may find the version of jhon, mathew, marcus... the old testament, the new one, deutronomy, isaac (ect)....\nand it's not the same everywhere we may find lots of mistakes and lacunes. i've read before that the apostles didn't view the crucifixion and the only one who saw it is a saint maybe st peter excuse me i'm not sure...\nbeside why christians(with my extream respect to them ) take all the versions exept barnabas version. why is barnabas version wrong and all the others r right??? it made us doubt all versions if we want to reject one..\nfinally. between main reasons why jesus christ will reappear (we say with our imam(3ltfh)), is to bring the peace again into earth and to tell the truth about the Bible. he will fight evil and win. and when he appears the real version of Bible and Torah will came up from bizanthiam, and all humans will knows the truth and will be under one religion with extream peace. the divine justice will be applied on earth. i hope it come soon. i ask ALLAH(swt) 4 it...\n          with my all respect 4 everyone, peace...