Is it wrong for me to glory in and take great Joy in the hypocrite Ted Haggarts fall from "grace"?
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I take no joy in anyone's disgrace. However, the irony of the situation isn't lost on me. It makes me wish that the Fundamentalists and other groups would lighten up on the gay issue so that people could just come out of the closet instead of living lives based on secrecy and falsehood. It's a recipe for hypocrisy. My own church is open to gay clergy, and we haven't seen anything like this coming from them; we already know they're gay, so there's nothing to hide. It's a sad commentary on one individual--in this case, the minister in question--but a worse indictment of his own church and its homophobic agenda.
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No it isn't wrong.  As a matter of fact, I have always said that if Jesus came back, we would think he was either insane or a magician.  We would probably lock him up in some mental ward, and claim he had one of all the new "disorders" we are coming up with these days.
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Don't worship me that defeats the whole purpose. Just listen to me. I know what i'm talking about. Why else do you think I was tossed from heaven? I had an opinion . Remember people, Heaven is not a democracy.
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I would be curious to see what your friend thinks of this scripture from 1 Corinthians 5:12-14...\n\nFor what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”\n\nShe is wrong. Yes. But you are also wrong for basing your salvation on what other people say or do. This will be no excuse in the last day. We must base our self examination with CHRIST as our standard. And without God's grace and mercy, we would all lose, wouldn't we?\n\nYoda Green - I suppose you are an example of the non-judgmental?
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Well, you and I aren't mad for a start.  But if you truly believe in that profound message of love and compassion that Jesus gave, perhaps you could start living by that ideal and not call people names because they haven't quite got there yet. We all have to come to our own truth in our own time.  Have a little patience and a little more love of the rest of us.  Peace, my friend.  All is well.
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Nope. I think we need to have a sense of humor with everything. I think God is a spider monkey as He is everything. That also means He was at your sex party. Learning is everything. Only way to learn is to experience these things. There is no punishment Mr.Darwin so you have yourself a blast. Just try to treat people as you wish to be treated. Even go as far as speaking to people as you would want them to speak to your loved ones. Of course this would be my opinion which I have learned is only important to me.
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LOL at the "me" who's not really me. \n\nAnd, dude, chill. You are doing far more damage to our faith than you are doing good.
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When I lived in Colorado Springs, I attended New Life Church (Ted Haggard's church) I have to say that we didn't, don't and don't ever plan on putting our faith in a person. Ted, whether or not he is guity of this, is a horribly sinful man, just like I am a horribly sinful person, just like David in the Bible, and dozens of others have fallen so low that they could never, ever even imagine receiving any type of forgiveness from God. Just because he was a pastor, does not protect him from the sin of this fallen world we live in. David was a man after God's own heart, yet committed adultury and murder. Not saying that was right, but it's times like these that we have to realize that we are weak humans that are naturally prone to sin, and we just need to always be asking God to protect us, and rooting our faith in Him and His Word, rather than in mere man.
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I think we should all get down on our knees and thank God we live in a nation that looks at someone like Pat Robertson and mostly laughs.  There are people who are buying into the nonesense he spews, but then again they're the same people that buy every snake-oil product advertised on TV.\n\nI don't know if he's for real, but he is out there with a national forum on cable TV.  That makes him really no different than the Bill O'Reillys and Tucker Carlsons of the world.  \n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about Reverend Looney Tunes is that the Conservative Christian lobby isn't running in the opposite direction from him, screaming "He doesn't speak for us!"  I don't think it'll take too many more of those "God has punished"-type diatribes before people start associating him with them.  And that's when the Republicans will find themselves in deep water without oars OR a boat.\n\nMeanwhile, I wait in anticipation for the next time Robertson logs off what he must think is his personal IM with the Almighty and gives us The World According To Pat.  Just remember--not everyone who say they're holy get into Heaven.
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The best way to handle this is to say, yes, I did this, yes it was wrong, if that's what you believe, which you must if you feel guilty, and then realize that people make mistakes. If you can apologize and rectify it, do so. If not, well, people are human. Only God is perfect.
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Of course there's nothing wrong with you. Maybe you believe in something else. You don't always go to hell if you don't believe in Jesus. I accepted him into my life last summer and life's been great! Take me advice and I'm sure you'll be happy.
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As I don't know them, I wouldn't have any way of knowing that, but I do know that they are in no way responsible for the errors and crimes of their father.  They have no need to be ashamed.  The shame is all Ted Haggards'--for being a hypocrite and a purchaser and user of illegal drugs.  Being homosexual, in itself, is nothing to be ashamed of.  The greatest shame is that his religion convinced him to believe it is.\n\nI do not celebrate the failures of my fellow human beings, though I do think it a good thing that his hypocrisy has at last been exposed.
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i respect your faithfulness to your morals/way of living, but self righteousness and judgement are poisonous to the soul. I'm sure a lot of what you say may be true, but you seem send your messages across with condemnation and resentment- I think that's where your problem may lie. Where is the grace, hope, peace? Of course there are murderers, prostitutes- you know, the morally sick. But... are you not exhibiting a sickness of your own? Also, you are comparing yourself to another culture. What excludes you from the group of humans who commit sin? Are you not committing it with your heart and discouragement you send people? I hope you can find peace and learn who God really is.\n\nGod bless you!
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That's pretty presumptuous.\n\nI am an atheist and I look forward to every day. Just because I can't accept your fairy-tale views doesn't mean that I don't have hope for the future and that I shouldn't try to make the road ahead as bright as I can for myself and those around me.\n\nHaving read some of your posts, I think it's funny that you're looking forward to heaven, when you spout such hatred and intolerance. \n\nMy beliefs, and the beliefs of most atheists, espouse tolerance and an attempt to end suffering when we can. You seem to embrace things that are not good for yourself, society, or the world. If heaven is full of people who hate, I'll gladly accept my belief in oblivion as a better option.
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To answer your last question, yes, I feel this way too. Jesus did not condone hypocrites- like some people in our government, and he does not condone the rest of us blindly following them. I am not a libertarian, as you suggest you might be, but I definitely agree that the current people running things are not promoting  the best interests of the people. You should not be reported for speaking your mind, you should be commended. To answer your first question, Yes- I am going to vote.
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You are not being judgmental. What happened is you lost respect for Tim, and justifiably so. You should not feel bad about distancing yourself from him.
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You are assuming a lot.  I'm neither sinful nor full of shame, I live in a world of light and I try to walk with God everyday.  It's a joyful walk, not one of shame and desperation.\n\nI feel I must follow God, otherwise my life would be in the potty by now lol.  I need His hand on my life, or I'll just mess it up very bad.