DO you think ALLAH PUT TOO MANY REFERENCES TO VIOLENCE AND HATE in the Quran or is it just right?
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Allah is the devil so that level of violence is acceptable
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to show how ill-natured he is. \nAs if we Muslims never ask ourselves these questions. \nJust do as i do ignore him. Let him burn in the middle of his hate and ignorance alone.\n\n\n\nISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN WORD <<this will kill him lol\n\n\n\n\nyes and to the one who keeps saying that western Muslims ignore the Quran. True Muslims never ignore the Quran. And what verses are you talking about that have hate in them? why don't you give us some instead of spreading lies all around. Or maybe you are just like those extremists taking some verses out of contest.
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Section I\n\nAnti-Islamic people often use the following verses to justify the stereotype that Islam is a religion of violence and intolerance, which was spread by the sword. The explanations here were aided by Abdullah Yusuf Ali's commentary on the Holy Quran.\n\nSura 8.12 "Remember thy lord has inspired the angels with the message. Give firmness to the believers and instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite the fingertips of them."\n\nSura 9.5 "When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters whereever you find them."\n\nSura 47.4 "When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads. Untill you have made a wide slaughter among them tie up the remaining captives."\n\nSura 8 is about a BATTLE - the Battle of Badr - not just some daily affair. A battles take two side to occur. Are you under the impression that while these 'horrid' Muslims were fighting, the enemies were simply standing there like good little peaceful men?\n\nSura 47 was revealed during the first year of Hijrah when the Muslims were under *threat of extinction* by invasion from Makkah.\n\nSura 9 is interesting. Non-Muslims almost invariably quote verse 5 but leave out verse 4 and 6. Why? Because verse 4 says, "But the treatires are not dissolved with those Pagans with whom you have entered into alliance and who have you subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill your engagements with them to the end of their term: for God Loves the righteous."\n\nAnd verse 6 says, "If one among the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that he may hear the Word of God; and then escort him to where he can be secure."\n\nSo basically what has been done above is:\n\n1. The background to each sura was shown. One cannot take a verse revealed for a battle and insist it is if for the daily affairs of Muslims.\n\n2. It was shown how Non-muslims who wish to attack Islam, conveniently leave out verses before and after their quoted verse. Above, I have shown only one of the many examples.\n\n \n\nSection II\n\nThis long list of verses from the Holy Quran and the Traditions of Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him) show that Islam at it's core and at its source is a religion of peace. Terrorists who persecute innocent people because of their faith are not welcome - their use of Islam as a scapegoat, does not make Islam what they portray it to be.\n\n2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.\n\n16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).\n\n6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you (of your own choice) a guardian over them.\n\n4:79, 80 (Say to everyone of them,) 'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have (O Prophet) sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."\n\n11:28 (Noah to his people) He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If 1 act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?\n\n17:53, 54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner (unto those who do not share their beliefs). Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Sat
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Sadly it is a bit like that, let's try to keep it peaceful. My god is big enough to fight his own fights, it is his place to judge not ours, the bible teaches to accept all people and to pray for the lost whatever their beliefs. Anyone on here who wants to spread hate, you are not talking for your God but for your own hate.
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Sorry mate, but you're quoting a humbug here. No such verse exists in the Koran\n\nA quite separate question is why so many muslims support homicidal maniacs who are de facto heretics to Islam. But that one is smething that they will have to answer- either in this world or the next.
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BOB:I EDITED IT. I'M LOGGING OUT. TYPE YOUR QUESTIONS. I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN THEM LATER.\n\nHey "Bob". Now, you need to know that the Koran is poetic. God also said that he kept the planets not colliding with each other. But we know that it is caused by gravity.\n\nGod also said that He is closer to us than the jugular vein. There is a hadith that said that He can ve contained in a pious slave's heart. Now all these references are poetic.\n\nThere are other translations, such as Pickthall's, that translated the word into "heavens".\n \nAccording to Yusuf Ali's translation, it is referred as "rain".\n\nMaybe, just maybe, that He was referring to comets and meteors. Maybe He said "the sky" because 1400 years ago, Arabs didn't know about comets and meteors. The verse also states that it can fall by His leave, His power, it can fall. There are records that meteors have hit the earth. But this is just my opinion.\n\nEDIT: Punishment for satan is in hell. Those verses are talking about the punishments waiting for satan in hell. The words did not say comets, but FIRE.\n\nBesides, you haven't stated your thoughts on the other translations by Pickthall or Yusuf Ali.\n\nEDIT:Oh, wait. I remembered your point of "air falling on earth" thing. Now, as you read it, you do realise that the verse states:\n\n....and the ships that sail through the sea by His Command?...\n\nIf there was a storm or strong wind, rain, etc (the sky falling, as if there was heavy winds, as described poeticly),surely the ship's sailing was to be affected and face possibility of shipwreck?
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LOL that is a good metaphor. Well I think al religions are full of SHI*. Full of violence and a fairy tail.
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LOL! first of all Quran was written by a person who lived 1400 years ago!! this religion was to be spread by force and harshness, therefore their technique was to kill in the worse possible way to fear people and let no space for disagreement, and still , Muslim people are killin each other (Sonia and Shea's) because they cant kill anybody else, anyway , Islam might have been a good religion but it was good for Arab people living 1400 years ago in such a shit place!! women should have been hidden and people should have been killed or forced to follow rules but for today , am sorry its not worth a shit!!!!
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From the little of reading of the q'uran that I have done I sometimes wonder if a lot of so called Muslims are illiterate or just follow their hostile leaders who tell them what to believe. Because I find that q'uran allows only self defense and only to the point of saving themselves or crops and any violence beyond that, ALLAH  ( I Hope that out of due respect that I have spelled Their Gods name correctly) will deal with harshly any Muslim that uses any force beyond that of which to stop the invasion of themselves or crops, their is nothing mentioned about suicide bombs or mass executions. Their God and our God are the same the big difference occurs remember in the bible when God promise Abraham and Sara a child and Sara was getting quite old so she suggested that he have sex with the slave girl.It is within that family that the Islam religion is born. And the Christian , Jewish religions descend from Abraham and Sara which is what God had promised many years earlier but God was not happy about Abraham and Sara losing faith in his promise to them and Sara was quite old by the time her son was born . And the term Holy war is a media buzzword to stir up trouble because basically holy war was meant to be a time when you are trying to get rid of sin in your life and you battle within yourself against the sin so that you can break away from it.
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I think that no one can understand all what's written in the quran , not because it's huge , but because every day we find new things , new meanings for every sentence , for my self ,in every different situation , when i read parts of the quran i feel like I'm reading it for the first time, as i see it from a different point of view. \n\n So for those bombers, i think they have evil parts in their souls , so MAYBE , im not sure , they read the quran but simply , they understood it in the way which they wanna understand it , it's like mutating it to fit their aims and ways. \n \n So , i think as we couldn't stop them , we could some how change the very bad impression which they had given to the world about us , and also we should educate our Youth to know the real peaceful Islam , to have The Peace leaders of the future.
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really?\nthen why all the violence towards the world?\nyou really have no idea what you are talking about, you just want to inflame\n\nmay Allah teach you humbleness
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Well Jhon , are you a muslim ? .. i guess not , that's why i'm gonna tell you this :\n\nI'm a Muslim and i was raised since i was a baby as a muslim and i know my religion very well , i read the Quran many times , and i know what does the quran means when it does talk about Killing and if you read the quran you would know exactly what i'm talking about , \n\nI'm A Muslim and i don't beleive in Killing , neither any other muslim ,Because that what we were taught , becuase that what our quran says ! ! \n\n but ofcourse in each religion there are some stricts who only think about their selves , just like alqaeda and others who made killing is some thing like a vertue , which is ABSOLUTLY WRONG , ISLAM DOESN"T BELEIVE IN KILLING ! ! ! YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT !\n\nNeo
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Quran advocates fighting for self defense. First verse in Quran that states fighting is \n"2:190. And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. "\n\nSimilary, if you search whole Quran you can find only fighting prescribed only for self defence. Some people quote verse from the middle to show that Quran prescribes killing all unbelivers. One most quoted verse is \n" 9: 5. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush,"\n\nWithout quoting the context and the verses below and above a neutral reader will judge Quran is commanding to kill all idolaters. But it's context is only regarding a particular group of idolaters who made an agreement with Muslims and later conspired against them breaking the treaty. This is clear from the preceeding verse\n" 9: 4. Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty)."\n\nSee what Quran says how to deal with those who are not fighting with you\n"60: 8. Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice."
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You've stated just a few reasons why I ended up asking the question, "Is it possible that the Christian God and the Muslim God(Yahweh and Allah) are the same entity as Satan? The character flaws exhibited by the religious "good gods" can be lined up point for point with the understood character flaws of "Satan". One of the most sadistic stories I've ever read has got to be the story of God telling Abraham to sacrifice his own son and then, "Oh, sorry just testing". You don't get any more cruel or mind-controlling than that.
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as far as i'm concern, there a lot of ameen from the quran, as well as the original-havent-been-manipulated-bible.\n\nso i strongly sure that the word come from allah.\nit's arabic, by the way.
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yes it is.. im nuetral as anyone .. the koran speaks of violene against people who do not believe islam. look at Iran .. just today the pres said he was going to cut off the hands of people who try to attack islam .. thats an actual quote form the koran. God tells us that religions will be known by their fruits.. islam has produced 1400 years of violence and chaos. and dont tell me that  its just a few extremists... its 10 percent of the entire religion around 10,000,000 people .. including the entire country of iran!
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A few weeks ago, I replied to a similar question. I think I should again. I am a muslim. The first thing you should know that, just like christians or jews, we beleive in only one God too, which means that my God is not different than theirs. We beleive in all the prophets including Jesus..Islam is based on love, respect, peace, friendship, consideration, forgiveness etc., just like other religions.Islam is also a religion of science. You couldn't beleive your eyes if you read the book and saw that many discoveries made after 1900s were all explained in detail in Koran more than 1300 years ago. Whatever happening in the world so cruel and unreasonable that is told to be executed in the name of islam has in fact nothing to do with it. Can you imagine the God ordering to kill, torture and urge people to do things other than their will? No, this is ridiculous.\nIn my country there are really a lot of moderate muslims, while there are of course some of these ignorant and stupid people as in any other places. I beleive there are so many other moderate ones too around the world everywhere. As a matter of fact, the word "moderate" is not fitting in. Because islam itself is moderate. But the damage these radicals have given has raised to a point that, most people have started thinking that islam itself and its beleivers are cruel, bigot and uncultured.\nI respect any other religion and I wish the others did the same without prejudice and they understood this cruelty has nothing to do with my religion. It is the people who are cruel, not the religions. And no religion orders cruelty or violence.