Scientology: After reaching Clear, what happens to a thetan after death?
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You would continue to be reborn, but may have an advantage in the next life...\n\nIt's not until you transcend the OT leves that you can exist without a body apparantly, where you would sit as a static and create happy happy things till the end of existence.\n\nBut then we know its all a load of crap anyway.\n\nAs far as I know, as per Ron Hubbards examples of perfect memory, and immunity to disease there has never been a clear, ever.\n\nSorry
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Agree...Can you tell me what happens to peoples energy when they die?
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Since you seem so eager to gather other peoples opinions today, and I'm all too eager to express my own... here goes:\n\n\nDeath is beautiful. It is a transition from confused living matter to unthinking dead matter...  a break down of mechanics that enforce pattern and a return to the natural chaos of the Universe.  What once was a personality becomes as nothingness, and dissipates much as the corpse does with time. In most cases this is destruction without resolution, which isn't exactly wrong.... but I can only imagine that it isn't as satisfying to give over all control of one's destruction so late... Better to resolve each aspect of the psyche beforehand and free one's self from the world in advance of death that it spells only the completion of dissolution. \n\n\nNo pointless rituals.\nThe dead are gone and no longer to be considered.\nMy body can be thrown to the pigeons when I'm gone for all I care.
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Life after death is like Newtons 3rd law. \n\nHow?\nNewtons 3rd Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.\nLike that what you did while you alive will be the life(effects) after death.\nAm i right. enjoy
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Also look at the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus (the beggar).\n\nImmediately after a person dies, their soul goes to be with God in heaven (if they are saved) or goes to a holding area that is Hell, or is like Hell (if they are not saved) while they wait for Judgment day.\n\nAt the Judgment, the bodies of the dead will be raised (or resurrected) and united with their souls. On Judgment day, God will pronounce eternal judgment on the unsaved (and provide rewards or remove rewards from the saved, depending on the extent to which they obeyed God while on earth).\n\nAfter the Judgment, the saved will continue to be with God in heaven. And the unsaved will be punished (to an extent that matches the degree of thier sins). In some versions of Christian theology, the unsaved will then be destroyed. In other versions of Christian theology, the unsaved will continue to experience negative consequences for the lives they lived (but the more evil they were the worse the negative consequences; and the less evil they were, the less the negative consequences).\n\nSo, the Judgment is really a proclamation (or confirmation) of Judgment -- rather than a place where a person's fate is to be discussed, evaluated and then decided upon.\n\nCordially,\nJohn\nhttp://www.GodSci.org\n[God and Science]
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Yep, Scientologist here,\n(It seems that "Liam" whoever he is, has anticipated me, I must have started to annoy him somehow.)\n\nHere is a very brief outline. I hope it answers your question. Let me know.\n\nScientology is an applied religious philosophy. When I say "applied" I mean you actually use it in your life to change or improve existing conditions. This is different from a religious practice. All religions if you learn about them have a basic philosphy, but they also have certain dogma, rituals and observances, and a certain faith or belief is required. There is nothing wrong with this, but Scientology is not that kind of religion. It does not intrude on anyones faiths of beliefs particularly in the area of God , the Supreme Being, or the Infinite. This area is left totally up to the indivdual, which is why you can be a practicing Jew or Atheist,for example and still use and apply the priniciples of Scientology in your life. It does not conflict. If anything it will enhance your understanding of your chosen religious practice.\nAnd it is only true for you according to your own observation and experience with it.\nIt is a non denominational religion . The dictionary definition that applies:\nReligion: The spiritual or emotional attitude of one who recognises the existence of superhuman power or powers.\n\nThe most basic principle of Scientology is that YOU are your own immortal soul, that this is not a "thing" you HAVE but what YOU actually are.\nThe whole purpose of Scientology is to increase an individual's understanding and awareness of himself. And thereby his native abilities .\nWhen you do this the sphere and zone of his positive influence increases and moves outward into his life, his family ,his friends, his groups and mankind which he is part of.\n\nHow this result is achieved is the "technology" of Scientology, which was developed by L.Ron Hubbard after his extensive research and the discoveries he made, about the human spirit. The basic religious philosophy and knowledge of Scientology is very old, going back 10,000 years at least to the Veda or Vedic Hymns from the East. The  developement of the technology is new.\nHe completed his research before his death in 1986 and left all of his results and copyrights\nto the Church of Scientology along with most of his considerable estate., when he died.\n\nHe published a book in 1951 to communicate the basic principles he discovered called: " Scientology The Fundementals of Thought"\nThere are currently over 8 million Scientologists in more that 150 countries world wide. However we are a new religion, only 55 years old. \nThe true story of Scientology as a religion goes like this:\n1. A philosopher developes a philosophy about life and death.\n2. People find it interesting.\n3. People find it works.\n4. People pass it along to others.\n5. It grows.
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It all depends on the way you think and your opinions/religion. Maybe, you do go to Heaven, and continue life there. Maybe, you come back into life as a different creature. Maybe, the thoughts and soul become non-existent.\nNobody knows the answer to this question because after a person "kicks the bucket" they cannot communicate with us again (or so it is thought...?) So the living will probably never know.
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John dies.  It is good to know that they are still reading this book.  I haven't read it in about 40 years.  But it made an effect on me.\n'Live while you are alive, then die and be done with it'\n\nI think that was John's saying, wasn't it?
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Nope, everyone dies.\n\nIf you're talking about life after death, than I guess it depends on what you believe.
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Near Death Experience. Usually results in a change in behavior/beliefs.\n\nI've had one before, so, yes.
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According to what I understand about Scientology (not an immense amount, but enough to have an opinion - ;-)), the Scientologist does not believe that we are ultimately material beings, therefore, anything that is happening to us physically is not really happening, it is an illusion.  So, ANY form of disorder or illness would be an illusion, not just post-partum depression.  The argument, I think, should not be whether or not suffering is an illusion - it doesn't matter, because it certainly FEELS real and because of that alone, should be dealt with.  If there are medications to help us change our "perception" of reality so that it helps us or others, it should be considered as all a part of the "scientological" process (whatever it REALLY is).  If Katie Holmes gets hit by a truck (God forbid), Tom's view of reality will most certainly be affected, whether it is real or not. It would be enlightening to see what Scientologists as outspoken as Mr. Cruise would do in such an earth-shattering situation - would he hold to his beliefs or not??
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You'll go to heaven or hell......Those with "unfinished business" end up as ghosts and stuff like that...God judges us and stuff and he decides where you will go...\n\nWell, that's what was taught to me eversince...
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That is the ultimate question that all religions and science is trying to answer.  Unfortunately, that is something you must research and decide for yourself.  A scientist might tell you that the energy your body creates is consumed by itself in movement and bodily functions.  When one dies, the body ends producing large amounts of kinetic energy, it becomes potential energy, which waits until something else uses it.\n\nWhen you talk about spirit, you're talking about religion.  The fact is that no one knows for sure -- you have to decide that for yourself with the god you seek out.
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This is what Scientologists ACTUALLY believe:\n\nXenu was an alien ruler of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth in spacecrafts resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together and stuck to the bodies of the living. The alien souls continue to do this today, causing a variety of physical ill-effects in modern-day humans. L. Ron Hubbard (a science-fiction writer and the creator of Scientology) called these clustered spirits "Body Thetans," and the advanced levels in Scientology place considerable emphasis on isolating them and neutralizing their ill effects.\n\nTo rid ourselves of "Body Thetans" and also “engrams” (past negative experiences stored in our unconscious mind) so that we can become “clear”, we have to go through "auditing" with a member of the “church” who uses an "e-meter" to measure our “reactive mind”...... and we have to pay lots and lots and lots of money for “auditing” (purchased in 12.5-hour blocks, costing anywhere from $750 for introductory sessions to between $8,000 and $9,000 for advanced sessions) and to take courses on Scientology to advance to higher “levels” in the “church”.  The “church” has also taken a very hostile stance towards psychiatry and psychiatric drugs irrespective of the fact that some people require medication to remain adequately functional in everyday life.  They deny the reality of chemical imbalance and profound mental disturbance and accordingly do NOTHING to effectively stabilize the dangerously unstable. The “church” has been known to withhold prescription pharmaceuticals from member (with deadly results).\n\nScientology is undeniably a cult. Every cult can be defined as a group having all of the following five characteristics:\n\n(1) It uses psychological coercion to recruit, indoctrinate and retain its members [convincing potential members that they are unhappy and Scientology is the only means of helping themselves]. (2) It forms an elitist totalitarian society. [they label everyone who disagrees or questions as a “Suppressive Person” and requires members to “disconnect” from them] (3) Its founder leader is self-appointed, dogmatic, messianic, not accountable and has charisma. [Yes, that would be Hubbard] (4) It believes 'the end justifies the means' in order to solicit funds & recruit people. (5) Its wealth does not benefit its members or society. [self evident proof for 4 & 5 as it does milk members for virtually everything they have and it’s wealth doesn’t find it’s way back to it’s members or society at all]\n\nCults are extremely harmful. To remain within the strict mental and social confines of a cult for even a short time can have the following disastrous effects:\n\nLoss of choice and free will. Diminished intellectual ability, vocabulary and sense of humor. Reduced use of irony, abstractions and metaphors. Reduced capacity to form flexible and intimate relationships. Poor judgment. Physical deterioration. Malnutrition. Hallucinations, panic, dissociation, guilt, identity diffusion and paranoia. Neurotic, psychotic or suicidal tendencies.
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Your heart stops beating. Your synapses slow their firing until you are brain dead and no electrical current is flowing through the nervous system. Your body will generally expel any waste matter (air, urine, feces) being held. Sometime around this time, you will either discover that there is an afterlife of some sort, or you will blink into nothingness, with absolutely no consciousness to be aware of the fact that there is no afterlife. The body will begin the approach to rigor mortise. And bacteria will begin decomposing the body. Years and years later, only ash (and perhaps fossilized bones) will be left of your body. If there is an afterlife, you will never be able to tell anyone. If there isn't, you will never be able to tell anyone. Those who say they know the truth about the afterlife, either way, are not intellectually honest. Which is why this question will continue to evoke philosophical debate ad infinitum.
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http://paganwiccan.about.com/od/astralplane/a/afterlife.htm
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When people encounter such experiences it is likely that there is a message that is trying to be expressed.  What that message is depends upon if you know the person that died or not.  If not, then the message may be intended for another and they are trying to communicate it through you.\n\nThe scarier or tough part is having the courage to find out.  Many times these experiences are brief and something interrupts the attempt to communicate.  Since it is often believed that the those dead and in limbo are in-part energy and part spirit, perhaps even magnetic energy.  Magnetic energy flow can be interrupted by people or other things moving near them.  Also, there is the thought that the dead person is in a state of time that only can be revealed for short moment of time.\n\nA gift such as psychic ability needs to be explored to see where it can be used for good and to help others.  Be looking for the message or thoughts that are revealed during the encounter.