Why are the Spiritual Gifts, listed in Romans and Corinthians, not congruent?
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The two lists are not in competition with each other. Both are valid and along with Ephesians 4 we have a complete list of spiritual gifts. Some are listed in all three places llike teaching and prophecy, some are only listed in one like word of wisdom. But there is no discrepincy here. They compliment each other. I do bellieve the Bible gives us the complete list of spiritual gifts in these places when we take them all together.
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It is only God that can give gifts that will stand the test of time. His gifts are eternal.We should not be chasing and acquiring worldly gifts for they are vain.
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At the pentecost the disciples of Jesus were given the Holy Spirit that is God, Jesus, Himself to guide and direct their paths and he knew they needed His guidance to spread the word to a world that wasn't ready. Today the Holy Spirit is given to you when you are saved.  In Corinthians, you will find the gifts God gives to all to some many, to others as He chooses.  The gift of faith is the best I think. Healers, don't necessarily have to be drs.  Prophecy is no good if people won't listen, I have personally saw all these gifts.  They are for enlightenment of mankind.
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Speaking in tongues (glossolalia) is best understood by starting with First Corinthians 12:1—14:40. There St. Paul explains that every gift of the Spirit is to benefit the entire Body of Christ. \n\nAny gift can be misused by damaging that body, especially by causing factions (for and against someone or a small group of people). Apparently, that had already happened in Corinth before St. Paul wrote First Corinthians. \n\nSt. Paul teaches that the Spirit’s greatest gift is charity. All other gifts are subordinate to it. See Galatians 5:22 where St. Paul describes nine “fruits” of the Spirit. \n\nSt. Thomas Aquinas concluded that tongue-speaking had happened when God offered it, but it no longer happens. \n\nThe vast majority of confirmed Catholics will never speak in tongues—as St. Paul uses that term. Why? That’s a good question to ask God when you get to heaven. \n\nI am a Christian, specifically Catholic. Most Catholics and other Christians have cooperated with God’s grace in less dramatic but no less effective ways than speaking in tongues. What is primary is using the Spirit’s gifts to build up the Body of Christ.
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Things of the Spirit are spiritually discerned. Meaning the Holy Spirit has to reveal them to you.
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It isn't that they 'follow' certain parts of the bible as much as apply the blessings promised in the bible.\nToday, christians rarely trouble themselves with what requirements are involved when desiring god's gifts. Rather, they arbitrarily 'save themselves' through a false hope that all they need is 'faith'.\n But as I have observed time and again on this forum, their is little to no substance to the claims of salvation.\nIf one expects to receive the blessings of everlasting life, but disregards the effort of studying the word of god to find out what is acceptable to him, than, it is ludicrous to think that god will just somehow toss aside his own requirements to accommodate all the lazy people with their unrealistic expectations.\nThe simple truth? denominations are proof of deceitful men drawing men to follow themselves, thus putting a stumbling block in the path of weak minded persons to full of apathy as regards their own wish for eternal life.
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Primarily Paul is writing about God's grace in redeeming the lost who were His enemies in their minds by sending his Son to die on a cross to pay our sin debt. Included in that grace are the riches of spiritual gifts and eternal life in His presence where there is fullness of joy and pleasures forevermore.\n\nThen there is God's long suffering common grace where He blesses people by meeting their needs whether or not they will eventually come to Him through Jesus.\n\nOne aspect of the "unsearchable riches in Christ" could be what believers have waiting for them when they receive a glorified and eternal body, when God himself will wipe away our tears and there will be no more death or sorrow or pain.\n\nBut as it is also written "eye has not seen nor mind conceived of" what God has planned for us after He creates a new Heaven and earth. I can't wait to find out what it's going to be like. Some people think that Heaven will be boring with people sitting around playing harps and praising God forevermore. But God is too great and loving and wise to ever call us to an eternity that pales into boring repetition. We will be with Him and that certainly won't be boring!
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1 Corinthians 12:05\nThere are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. \n\n 7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines. \n\n 12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body\n\n\nIf that is there gift then amen. But I do believe with power over the masses like that it can lead to a dark path. I can't say from expercicne but I can only iamgine the tempatation must be hard to have such a resbonsility.
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Two of the most meticulous record keepers of Ancient Times were the Romans and the Jews, and as you rightly point out, the events recorded in the Bible somehow seemed to escape their notice.  Pontius Pilate's court records still exist, and there is no mention of the trial of Jesus or of the supposed custom of allowing the crowd to free a prisoner.  It is a tradition among the Egyptian Coptic's that their Church was founded by the Apostle Mark, in 42 ad, certainly the first major Christian Chatecal School was in Alexandria, but not until 190, so there could have been several generations worth of revisions.  Hadn't heard that one about about the Sun metaphor, Jesus didn't even get a nimbus in religious art until the 5th century, and then it was part of political deal the Emperor was cutting, The three main religions in Rome at the time were Christianity, the scribes and record keepers, Mithra ism, the army, and Sol Invites (the Unconquerable Sun), the wealthy landowners.  He couldn't afford to make any of them mad, so he declared Mithra and Jesus were two names for the same being, and that YHWH was another name for Sol Invictus.  That is why the rays of the Sun became a Christian symbol of holiness.  The Bible, in it's current form, only dates back to the Vulgate, which was completed in 405.  Personally, I think we should go back to traditional values, this new fangled Christianity stuff just ain't working out.
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I am a very spiritual person, but I am weary about the so called "good Christians".  They are usually the most closed minded people, and they are usually self serving.  If it's in their best interest, they invoke that Jesus would want things to be done their way. And if they don't like something, they say it is against Jesus.  Really, how do they know what Jesus would want.  That is why he gives us the Holy Spirit, so that we can be connected with Him, and make our own decisions.
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It's not a weird notion.  There is no evidence of a lot of things that transpired during the times of Christ.   Sure the Bible talks about it and is the ONLY accepted history of that time.   I'm inclined to think that the apostles did run with their interpretation of Christ's teachings.   I'm not so sure it was to create an alternate Jewish religion, but an alternate politically correct on of the time.   Jesus didn't come to Earth to have people worship him as God.  That was furthest from his teachings.  His teachings were to show people the way to the Father through his teachings.  Even the perverstion of "The only way to heaven is through Christ."   It simply means that to get to heaven is to be like Christ and follow his teachings.   It does not mean to worship him as God.   Never has, never did, never will.
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Good point. I suspect its because we concentrate on the humanistic level of relationships rather than leave things in the hands of God. Also we don't have busybody church brothers and sisters looking into our lives.
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Well...Paul described it as "the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."  I think if you pray over this and think about it, you'll find your answer.
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Paul very clearly states in 1 Corinthians 6 that Christian "brothers" should not take their differences to court.\n\nThis may be good council to follow.\n\nLawrence\nhttp://www.truebiblesermons.com
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The whole Bible harmonizes each book harmonizes with other. The so called Lost Books (Thomas is one) some are old-but they had writers in Jesus day who wrote to dispute his teachings. Paul mention how some would come with a different teaching and new philosophies (Greeks love the philosophies). And to beware of them-as they would lead others away. John who out lived these other-knew this would happen to-(Rev)- so he wrote not to add or subtract what was written. Now John already knew of the letters of Peter and Paul and others as he referred to these letters in other books-these were accepted for the Christian Church. \nNow these books do not fit our Bible-like a puzzle-it doesn't harmonizes and all the others do. Even though many were written lifetimes before-they all fit-except like the one you Mention.
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1 Corinthians, 13:\n\nIf I speak in human and angelic tongues, but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.  And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.  If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.\n\nLove is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, is not pompous, it is not inflated, it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury, it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth. \n\nIt bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.  Love never fails.  If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.  For we know partially and we prophesy partially, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. \n\nWhen I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.  At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face.  At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known. \n\nSo faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
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ITS NOT PAGAN.\n\nSET ASIDE A DAY TO HONOR THE BIRTH OF JESUS.\nGIFT GIVING REPRESENTS THE THREE GIFTS JESUS RECEIVED.\n\nNOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS.\n\nCHARITY---GIFT OF LOVE..........\nCHARITY COVERS A MULTITUDE OF SIN..\nTRY IT.............DOES A BODY GOOD.