trinity vs. 1st of all commandments?
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The trinity are three aspects of the same being.  In a secular example, Hillary Clinton is a wife, mother, and senator.  Three different things but still one person.
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What is the first Commandment? Thou shalt have no other gods beside Me.\nIf God has commanded US to put God first, then God also must put Himself first! - Otherwise He would be breaking His own Commandment and God cannot deny Himself.\nSatan was making an accusation that the only reason Job (or anyone else) followed God is because of the good things God gave them. (i.e. selfish motivation is the only reason to follow God.)\nAfter God had vindicated His own good Name to Satan, (and to Job's friends, who had spoken falsly about God's character), God not only restored Job's possessions, He DOUBLED them.\nIf God had put this man's comfort above His own good Name, then God Himself would have been guilty of idolotry - something that can never happen!\nJob's three friends were the original humanists - They thought that God existed for the sole purpose of humanity, not the other way around.\nI have seen a lot of answers on here that reflect the sayings of Job's three friends - I would be VERY CAREFUL about disparaging the Character of God.
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Absolutely! God the Son AND God the holy spirit are not found anywhere in Scripture. Trinitarians uses these terms to try and make the Bible appear to say something that it isn't saying. Jesus called himself the Son of God not God the Son. (John 10:36; 17:3)
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A Direct quote from an Anglican minister:\n\n"And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day .... The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the church has enjoined it."
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No where. \nThe New Encyclopædia Britannica says: Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord (Deut. 6:4). . . . \nThe doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.\n\nThe New Catholic Encyclopedia states: The formulation "one God in three Persons" was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.\n\n2 It is true that many gods are worshiped in the world. But that does not change the fact that there is only one true God. The other gods are inventions of men or are demons. Only one God created the earth and deserves our worship. The apostle Paul said: We know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many 'gods' and many 'lords, there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him.' 1 Corinthians 8:4-6.(NWT)
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No.\n\nFor Christians, Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses.\n\nChristians are not held to the ceremonial parts of the Mosaic Law concerning of dietary purity and temple worship.\n\nChristians are held to the moral law of God, some of which is expressed in the Ten Commandments.\n\nHowever Jesus took the Ten Commandments to the next step summarizing them into the two Great Commandments:\n+ You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.\n+ You shall love your neighbor as yourself.\n\nAnd teaching things like\n+ Everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.\n+ Everyone is our neighbor including our enemies.\n\nTherefore we have to go much farther than the original recipients of the Ten Commandments ever dreamed.\n\nWith love in Christ.
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Let's get one thing straight. The verses you quoted were statements made by Jesus; not Almighty God. The trinity doctrine that is widely taught in Christendom is really throwing you off. When Jesus is making these statements he's humbly acknowledging that in fact the "father" is greater than him. This is further reiterated in John 14:28. Why would almighty God who knows all things would not know for instance the day of Judgment?_Psalms 83:18 Notice that the scripture that you quoted (Mark 13:2) says in the 2nd part of the verse:"neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the "Father." Again this stresses that Jesus or the Son of God doesn't know the day, but his FATHER would know. Clearly this shows that Jehovah God and Jesus are two different people and that this shows a distinction between them. If Jesus and God were the same wouldn't Jesus know the day of Judgement too?\nThe many other statements that Jesus makes further show that he is not equal to his father._Philippians 2:6: "who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God."_1 Corinthians 11:3, John 20:17. Similiarly, no son is equal to his father or the same as him. Sure they may look alike, talk, or act alike but you recognize them as two separate entities not combined in one. In John 5:19 Jesus makes it clear that he doesn't do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. Also whatever that One does he also does in like manner.\nAfter reasoning from the scriptures you can conclude that from your statements above, Jesus was not only recognizing his father as greater than he was but was giving his father praise and honor by giving him the credit. You can also conlcude that if you read the Bible nodenominationally you would not come to the conclusion that God is part of a trinity which is contradicted in the scriptures. Instead Christ is "one" with God (not literally) in that they are always in harmony with each other just like a husband and wife were to be one as in united together._Genesis 2:24. The trinity really blurs the relationship between God and Jesus and is a source of confusion for many. You can find more information on this particular subject from this link. http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_04.htm
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I'm not sure the classic explanation of the Trinity is the only way to reconcile the scriptures that have led to that doctrine, actually.  I think it is much simpler than we make it out to be.  I believe that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are simply in complete agreement with each other.  Therefore when one speaks, He speaks for all three of them.  And when you talk to one, you essentially talk to all three.  There is no plurality of ideas or desires, no conflict.  In that sense, and I believe in that sense only, they are one.
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My point about that commandment is....why would it even be in there if no other gods existed for people to worship?\n\nAs a pagan, I use that argument on annoying Christians trying to make me "take Jesus into my heart". They don't like it much--it makes them think and that hurts their heads.\n\nBut your question is only about Jesus. If the Trinity is Father-Son-Holy Ghost then Jesus doesn't count as a different god.
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Many Christians begin to learn about the Trinity through knowledge of Baptism. This is also a starting point for others in comprehending why the doctrine matters to so many Christians, even though the doctrine itself teaches that the being of God is beyond complete comprehension. The Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed are structured around profession of the Trinity, and are solemnly professed by converts to Christianity when they receive baptism, and in the Church's liturgy, particularly when celebrating the Eucharist. One or both of these creeds are often used as brief summations of Christian faith by mainstream denominations.\n\nOne God\nGod is one, and the Godhead a single being: The Hebrew Scriptures lift this one article of faith above others, and surround it with stern warnings against departure from this central issue of faith, and of faithfulness to the covenant God had made with them. "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" (Deuteronomy 6:4) (the Shema), "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Deuteronomy 5:7) and, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel and his redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6). Any formulation of an article of faith which does not insist that God is solitary, that divides worship between God and any other, or that imagines God coming into existence rather than being God eternally, is not capable of directing people toward the knowledge of God, according to the trinitarian understanding of the Old Testament. The same insistence is found in the New Testament: "...there is none other God but one" (1 Corinthians 8:4). The "other gods" warned against are therefore not gods at all, but substitutes for God, and so are, according to St. Paul, simply mythological or are demons.\n\nSo, in the trinitarian view, the common conception which thinks of the Father and Christ as two separate beings, is incorrect. The central, and crucial affirmation of Christian faith is that there is one savior, God, and one salvation, manifest in Jesus Christ, to which there is access only because of the Holy Spirit. The God of the Old is still the same as the God of the New. In Christianity, it is understood that statements about a solitary god are intended to distinguish the Hebraic understanding from the polytheistic view, which see divine power as shared by several separate beings, beings which can, and do, disagree and have conflicts with each other. The concept of Many comprising One is quite visible in the Gospel of John, chapter 17, verses 20 through 23.\n\nGod exists in three persons\n\nThe "Shield of the Trinity" or "Scutum Fidei" diagram of traditional Western Christian symbolism.This one God however exists in three persons, or in the Greek hypostases. God has but a single divine nature. Chalcedonians — Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants — hold that, in addition, the Second Person of the Trinity — God the Son, Jesus — assumed human nature, so that he has two natures (and hence two wills), and is really and fully both true God and true human.\n\n\nThe singleness of God's being and the multiplicity of the Divine Persons together account for the nature of Christian salvation, and disclose the gift of eternal life. "Through the Son we have access to the Father in one Spirit" (Ephesians 2:18). Communion with the Father is the goal of the Christian faith and is eternal life. It is given to humans through the Divine union with humanity in Jesus Christ who, although fully God, died for sinners "in the flesh" to accomplish their redemption, and this forgiveness, restoration, and friendship with God is made accessible through the gift to the Church of the Holy Spirit, who, being God, knows the Divine Essence intimately and leads and empowers the Christian to fulfill the will of God. Thus, this doctrine touches on every aspect of the tr
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There aren't any.  The best you will find are a couple of verses that, when taken out of context, seem to be vaguely describing a trinitarianish relationship.\n\nThe fact is that the Trinity is not supported by the Bible and you would have much more success finding scriptures to disprove it.
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The trinity makes about as much sense as some human priest elevating himself to the level of Jesus and God, which they do all the time. Only Almighty God is ‘Reverend’, or deserving of godly fear. Only Jesus Christ deserves honorific religious titles:\n(Matthew 23:6-10 They like the most prominent place …do not YOU be called Rabbi …do not call anyone YOUR father on earth …Neither be called ‘leaders,’ for YOUR Leader is one, the Christ.\n\nClergymen are actually worse sinners than lay people, because clergymen should know better.\n(2 Tim 4:3) For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings\n\nThe scriptures actually warned about this coming clergy class who love their titles; the scriptures call them a composite “man of lawlessness" and give true Christians this warning:\n(2 Thes 2:3,4) Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself\n\nEven so-called 'celibacy' is actually part of the clergy's “teachings of demons":\n(1 Timothy 4:1-3) However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons, by the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, marked in their conscience as with a branding iron; forbidding to marry\n\nWhich religion rejects the trinity? Which religion has absolutely no clergy-laity distinction and rejects honorific titles? Jehovah's Witnesses, who are also the only religion following Jesus' command to preach globally!\n(Matt 28:19,20) “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you"
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Three Fwd=> Wishes: Grace => Mercy => Peace.\n\nOf two Adams compare-i-son in 1Corinthians 15,\nthe first man Adam [was] a living "soul",\nthe second coming [is] a quickening "spirit".\n\nIn (first) Adam (in them: Gen 5) all die.\n("by the u-sing of ordinances all perish)\nIn (last) Adam (in us of us-ward) all live.\n\nOf seven things the word of God (Grace) is in Hebrews,\nmidst thing pierces, divides assunder, soul and spirit.\nhttp://www.godshew.org/Hebrews5.htm\n\nHowbeit? \nFirst the nature-u-all, after-ward the spirit-u-all.\n\nProblem is, law is both natural and spiritual.\nIf we let law be spirit-u-all, then spirit of err-or.\nIf we let law be dead testator of NT, end all-right.\n\nThe "grace" of our Lord Jesus=>Christ with you=>all. Amen.
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The New Encyclopedia Britannica says:"Neither the word Trinity,nor the explicit doctrine as such,appears in the New Testament,dor did Jesus and his followers,intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament:'Hear, O Israel:The Lord our God is one Lord'(Deut.6:4)......The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and throught many controversies....By the end of the 4th century......the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since."-(1976),Micropaedia,Vol.X,p.126.\nThe New Catholic Encyclopedia states:"The formulation 'one God in three Persons'was not solidly established,certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith,prior to the end of the 4th century.But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title,the Trinitarian dogma.Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective".-(1967),Vol.XIV,p.299.\n\nDoes the Bible teach that the "Holy Spirit" is a person?\nSome individual texts that refer to the holy spirit("Holy Ghost,"KJ)might seem to indicate personality.For example,the holy spirit is referred to as a helper(Greek, Parakletos;"Comforter,"KJ;"Advocate,"JB,NE)that 'teaches','bears witness','speaks'and 'hears'(John 14:16,17,26;15:26;16:13)\nBut other texts say that people were "filled"with holy spirit,that some were 'baptized'with it or "annointed"with it(Luke 1:41;Matt.3:11;Acts 10:38)\nThese latter references to holy spirit definitely do not fit a person.To understand what the Bible as a whole teaches,all theses texts must be considered.What is the reasonable conclusion?That the first texts cited here employ a figre of speech personifying God's holy spirit,his active force,as the Bible aslo personifies wisdom,sin,death,water, and blood.\n\nThe Holy Scriptures tell us the personal name of the Father-Jehovah.They inform us that the Son is Jesus Christ.But nowhere in the Scriptures is a personal name applied to the holy spirit.\nActs 7:55,56 reports that Stephen was given a vision of heaven in which he saw "Jesus standing at God's right hand".But he made no mention of seeing the holy spirit.\nAre the Father and Son one?\nMatt.26:39,RS:"Going a little farther he(Jesus Christ) fell on his face and prayed,'My Father,if it be possible,let this cup pass from me;nevertheless,not as I will,but as Thou wilt"(If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals,such a prayer would have been meaningless.Jesus would have been praying to himself,and his will would of necessity have been the Father's will).\nJohn8:17,18,RS:"(Jesus answered the Jewish Pharisees)In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true;I bear witness to myself,and the Father who sent me bears witness to me."(So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father.)\n\nThere are so many more scriptures to disprove the Trinity that it would take me hours to go through them all.\nI USED to be a Catholic myself but a person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes.\nHe wants to know what God's Word itself says.He many find some texts that he feels can be rad in more than one way,but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear.\nSo instead of just believing what the Priest or Pastor is telling you - look for yourself,reason on the scriptures,compare translations.....you will be surprised to learn all the untruths about God,His Son,His purpose for mankind etc that you are being taught.\n\nSo I must say it is a definite BIG THUMBS DOWN
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The Concept of Trinity is the teaching of Church and not the Teaching of Jesus...In fact there is not a singel word pronounced as Trinity in the Bible... The only verse which is somewhat nearest to the concepet of Trinity is the First Epistle of John 5:7 which says "For there are three who bear record in Heaven, The Father, The Word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one"...\n\nSurprisingly this verse has now been removed by 32 Christian Scholars of the Highest Eminence backed by 50 Cooperating Denominations, they say that this verse is not found in the most ancient manuscripts and hence is a fabrication. You don't find this verse anymore in INV and RSV though other Bibles are still quoting this fabricated statement.\n\nTrinity was actually highlighted by Paul and he was directly inspired by the Roman Paganism...\n\nFor more Information...\n\nshiekhtm@yahoo.com
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When Jesus was asked this question, he said, "Hear O Israel: The Lord your God is One. Thou shalt love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind." That's a paraphrase, since I don't think I have it memorized by heart. Then Jesus said, "And the second is like it: Love thy neighbor as thyself. All the law hangs on these."\n\nEDIT: Whoops. Actually, Jesus was asked what the "greatest commadment" was, not the "most important".
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Is It Clearly a Bible Teaching? IF THE Trinity were true, it should be clearly and consistently presented in the Bible.  A PROTESTANT publication states: "The word Trinity is not found in the Bible . . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century." (The Illustrated Bible Dictionary) And a Catholic authority says that the Trinity "is not . . . directly and immediately [the] word of God."—New Catholic Encyclopedia. The Catholic Encyclopedia also comments: "In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word  [tri'as] (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180. . . . Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian." The Encyclopedia of Religion admits: "Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity." And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]." "The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the [Trinity] idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognised the . . . Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One."—The Paganism in Our Christianity. \nAlso, if the trinity is true why does Jesus say he is goiing to pray to his heavenly father, and that he doesn't do anying of his own initiative, but he does the will of his father that sent him...