Is Jesus Christ subordinate to God the Father?
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God is a being of tri-ality. It is called the The Trinity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These are all manifestations of God, therefor non is subordinate to the other. \n\nI once had difficulty understanding the Trinity and how one being could actualy be three, but still be one. This was when I was younger and confused. Over time I found my answers, which were not given to me by others. These are my own understanding of God as I grew durring this life of spiritual growth. \n\nI often use nature to describe spiritual concepts. For this I will use H20 which is water. Water actually is a reflection of the Trinity. For me anyway it helps describe this manifestation and how it is not only possible but simple science. \n\nWater has three very real forms, yet each form is still water, and none is greater than the other, as this is impossible when all three are exactly the same element. H20. There is the liquid water, there is the solid ice and there is the vaperous steam. Each play a vital role, and each is extreamly strong in its powers. Water is life sustaining, life giving, and it can also remove material over time. We are made of of 80% water. Out bodies are a prime example of the power of water. Without our water content we could not sustain our bodies. We have more water than blood in us. We have more water than skin on us. Some say our largest organ is our skin, but in reality our largest organ is our water. We could live a while, if kept in a sanitary enviroment, without our skin. We could not live for a moment if all our water was removed from us. We would shrivel and turn to bone and dust. We can live without food for days, a month, a month and a half, if there is water to put into our bodies. However, without water we die withiin a few very short days. So, you can see how powerful water is, and yet water is not God. \n\nIce can shave off mountain tops, cut out valleys, cool us on a hot day, ice provides the water we need in the valleys of the world. Ice is power and life sustaining. Steam is as powerful as water and ice. It cooks our food, makes us energy to heat and light our homes. It is sanitary and pure. Steam is powerful, as powerful as liquid H20 and ice. \n\nAll three are the exact same element. All three are as powerful as the other. How could they not be when all three are the exact same thing? Just in different manifestations. If they are exactly the same element, it is impossible for the basic structure to be any less in which ever form it takes. This is a reflection of the Trinity and speaks to me strongly of God and His power. We are His children, each and every one of us. None is less loved or beloved than another, regardless of what we do or do not do. We are created in His image, for His glory. We are here on a spiritual journey of discovery and growth. God is pleased when we love one another or at least try to tolerate each other and accomodate each others differences. \n\nNo, Jesus Christ is NOT subordinate to God the Father. It is impossible as Jesus Christ the Son IS God the Father, just in a different manifestation. You did not ask about the third part of the Trinity. God the Holy Spirit. Just as Jesus Christ is God, the Holy Spirit is as well. The Holy Spirit is also not subordinate to God the Father, as the Holy Spirit is God. They are all God. Just three seperate manifestations of Him, as water has three seperate but equal manifestaions.\n\nBless you on your spiritual journey through this life.
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The father, the son, and the holy spirit are one according to the Bible-"Jesus is God and God is Jesus" It IS difficult to wrap your brain around, but I look at it in a practical way...just like when my parents had me, I was a part of them in a physical way and I didn't know it yet, but also in a spiritual way that I understood after I matured. I think the same about Jesus and God.  Jesus was still human while here on earth and didn't understand his father's entire plan hence the "father why have you forsaken me," when he was on the cross, but upon his maturity (death and resurrection) he saw his spiritual bond and oneness with God clearly.  \nGod put a part of him on earth as a human to influence and ultimately save humans as an act of grace. His son is a part of him just as I am a part of my parents. (This is all just my opinion and no offense to others or non-believers!)
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Jesus is a God made flesh.\n\nread John 1\n\nbut God the Father and Jesus Christ are two different person.
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During his preaching, Jesus had never called himself as God or Son-God. Now, look upon those people who consider Jesus as God or Son-God. They are, baselessly, blaming even those people who were present at the spot and knew that Jesus was not God or son-god. In other words, the people with the belief that Jesus is God or Son-god; are far more enemies of Jesus who tried to crucify him.\n\n•The people who say that Jesus is God or Son-God or in his guise, the Lord descended upon earth because of God’s love for humanity. They are, baselessly, blaming Jesus and the Lord of Jesus, the both.\nAccording to Jesus, God, the Holy One; is the Saviour of the Whole mankind. God is capable (be God glorified as God is) to relive off every infliction. None of the human beings is saviour beside God. Jesus, himself is also, not a saviour at all. The people who have chosen him as their saviour__ they have denied the Holy One___ who alone is the saviour of Jesus and whole mankind and the act of choosing Jesus as saviour__ is equal to hate the Holy One___ as it is clearly written in the old Testament:-\n\n“I am the Lord your God. Worship no God but Me. Do not make for yourself images of anything in heavens or on earth or in the water under the earth. Do not bow down to any idol or worship it. Because I am the Lord your God and I tolerate no rivals. I bring punishment on those who hate me, on their descendants, down to third and fourth generation.”\n(Exodus 20:1-5)\n\nNow, ponder over the point that whosoever says that Jesus is God___ Holy Spirit is God___ Mary is God; has he not made an idol beside the One God? While nothing is there in the earth and heavens which could be considered in terms of the One God.\n\nBeware please! A father is a father__ a mother is a mother___ and a son is a son__ and they all are the creatures of God. They cannot be considered as God___ as god is their Creator__ and nothing is like the Lord.\n\nCreatures of God are God’s Creatures they can never be considered as God or as the parts of God. Same is the case of Jesus who is a creature and, as such, can not be considered as God or a part of the Creator or the son of Creator.\n\n•Jesus is not a Saviour. He is not capable, even, to save himself from his enemies. How he can be considered “All-Able” to save everyone on the earth. It is the Lord alone__ Who is the All-Able to save every creature of the universe including the mankind__ as the Lord is already saving__ each of them__ without any desolation and defect.\n\nJesus was born after Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Moses and the numerous other Prophets (peace & blessings of God be upon all of them). If he were the Son-God, then, all of the foregoing Prophets, must have been the believers of Trinity. But the case is not like that at all. None of them was the believer of Trinity, rather, none of them, had, even, heard about the name of Trinity, in their times. Hence, Trinity is nothing else but an invented and artificial concept which has no existence, even, during the time of Jesus. It is, therefore, a rootless concept from all accounts.\n\nPrior to Jesus, the Lord had created Eve, without mother__ and Adam, without mother and father, the both. Afterwards, the Lord created Jesus without father. So the creation of Jesus, without father, is the third instance of the Lord’s all-encompassing creativity___ which is free from all the channels or systems of the birth. Instead, all the channels or systems of the birth are subservient to the all-encompassing and unique creativity of the Lord.\nThe Lord is, therefore, Holy and the Lord must be believed in, as Holy. To ascribe a son unto the Lord__ is a direct assault on the Lord’s Holiness__ which is an unpardonable crime.\n\nsince Adam to Noah__ Noah to Abraham__ Abraham to David, David to Moses__ Moses to Jesus and Jesus to Muhammad (peace & blessings of God be upon all of them) all the Prophets were slaves or servants of the Lord. An
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I agree with you completely. I am a christian, but I do not believe in the trinity theory. and there are ALLOT of references like this one that points toward the fact that they are not the same. A few of them are: after Jesus got baptized, God said to him, "this is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased." would he talk to himself? also when the people asked Jesus to teach them how to pray, Jesus taught them to pray to God, not to himself. If he was God why wouldn't he have the people pray to him? yet another, Jesus on the cross said "My God, why have you forsaken me?" would God not only talk to himself, but also forsake himself? A final one... the bible says that the only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the holy spirit (Mark 3:29). If they were all the same, then blaspheming any of them would be unforgivable. They are very separate beings, and not the same.
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No, they simply add proof to the fact that Jesus Christ was the Messiah. His ability to perform miracles was only due to the power that came from his Father and God, Jehovah. Colossians 1:15 and Revelation 3:14 both clearly show that Jesus is a created being, in fact the very first creation by God. The recorded Bible prophecies that the Bible contains that were written hundreds and thousands of years in advance of Jesus' human existance, and how Jesus fulfilled each one exactly as written is proof....not that he is God, because he certainly isn't, but is proof that he was the Messiah, or God's anointed one. The fact that he was unable to raise himself from the dead is further proof that he isn't God. It was God who raised him, thus showing that God is a being totally separate and distinct from Jesus. \n\nColossians 1:15 - Jesus is the "firstborn of all creation"\n\nRevelation 3:14 - Jesus is "the beginning of the creatiobn by God"\n\nJohn 14:28 - Jesus plainly states "the father is greater than I am" - thus acknowledging that he is neither God, but is less than God. \n\n1 Corinthians 11:3 - as the man is the head of the woman, "in turn the head of the Christ is God". Thus, Jesus himself answers to a higher or superior being, his Father and God. \n\nJohn 7:16 - Jesus' message didn't originate from himself, but "belongs to him that sent me", namely his Father.
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yes, Jesus is included in that commandment. Jesus and god are one. There is a thing that is called the trinity- god the father, god the son, and god the holy spirit
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simple..\n\nTRINITY IS FALSE! its just a made up stories!\nThe truth is God is absolute 1, there is no such thing as God has son..\n\nJesus is only human the messenger of God! Christians was the one who believe Jesus is God.. when Jesus himself never admit he is God, infact he always said he pray, and worship to 1 God in heaven!!
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(kurter21 said the same thing I did... only shorter, so if you don't feel like reading my long post, read his short post)\n\nWell, there is a Father in Heaven, who is our God.  We are all his children.\n\nThen there is Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God in the flesh, meaning that God was his "biological" father.  He is a god.\n\nSome people believe that we are Jesus' children.  In a spiritual sense, that is true, but in a literal sense, it is not.  We are his "children" in a spiritual sense, because he has taken care of us (through his teachings, the Atonement, the Crucifixion, etc...)\n\nAs far as the THIRD part of it... there is also the Holy Ghost (also commonly known as the Holy Spirit).  The Holy Spirit is not the LITERAL spirit of God or of Christ, but he is a part of the "Godhead" as well.\n\nSo the Godhead consists of three separate beings, the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Ghost.\n\nAs far as believing in the worship of only ONE God, we worship the Father.  We do not worship Jesus Christ.  I know that sounds kind of funny... but here goes...  we follow his teachings, and follow in his footsteps, but when we pray, we pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ, and not to Jesus Christ himself.\n\nHope that makes sense.  Let me know if it doesn't, and I can see if I can clarify it.
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"God"  He is the Father, Son(Jesus), And Holy Spirit. Jesus told his disciples he would return to them through the Holy spirit God is the Holy Spirit. They are all the same One God.  God Bless!!
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Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the second person in the "Holy Trinity". However, the very Bible which is used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn out of context: \n\n1. God is All Knowing... but Jesus was not.\n\nWhen speaking of the Day of Judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt 24:36) But God knows all. His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own admission, did not know when the Day of Judgment would be, is clear proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not God.\n\n2. God is All-Powerful... but Jesus was not.\n\nWhile Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power he had was not his own, but derived from God. He said, "Verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19) Again he said, "I can of mine own self do nothing: As I hear I judge, and my judgment is just because I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." (John 5:30) But God is not only all-powerful, He is also the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.\n\n3. God does not have a God... but Jesus did have a God.\n\nGod is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17) He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt 27:46) If Jesus were God, then couldn't this be read "Myself, myself, why hast thou forsaken me?" Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer (Luke 11:2-4) was he praying to himself? When in the garden of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: Nevertheless, not as I will but as thou wilt." (Matt 26:36-39) Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own admission, and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped and prayed to another being as God, is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.\n\n4. According to the Bible, God is invisible to humans... but Jesus was flesh and blood.\n\nWhile thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that this could not be done with God when he said, " No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18) "Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape." (John 5:37) He also said in John 4:24, "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God ant any time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that Jesus was not God.\n\n5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him... but Jesus acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from his own.\n\nPerhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of Jesus himself who said in John 14:28, "My Father is greater than I." When someone referred to him as a "good master" in Luke 18:19, Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God..." Further more, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and cam
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Jesus is the son of God.
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well go to the head of the class Watson... Everything in the bible is about a ONE on One relationship with the Father, That is why Jesus said that "I and the Father are One", In other places he said that "He was first among MANY Brothern" But it seems too Radical for someone to believe that Jesus Christ was a Tax Protestor, He wouldn't worship MAN himself, in his day and time the GOD was Ceasar. He wouldn't bow down to the church/state system of Rule and because of his belief, they killed him "they were doing their JOB"....The same Anti-christ, Anti-God system still exist today, and the biblical persecutor's also
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The apostles after his death continuously referred to him as he Son of God.  But I look for a more logical way.  The scriptures said that Jesus was without sin and that he had no deception in him.  If that is true and it is, why did he always refer to God as the Father if indeed he was not. And why did the Father always refer to Jesus as his son if he wasn't?  If Jesus was not praying to His father as he said he was, would that be deception? Yes! If at the time of his baptism and voice came out of the heavens and said in effect, This is my beloved Son, if that is not true, is it deception?  Some say it is a MYSTERY and can't be explained.  the real mystery is how anyone can belief such rubbish that God and the Son are the same.  The only place that it says that I (Jesus speaking) and the Father are One, is referring to UNITY of belief and teachings.  Look up that scripture and go back to the previous chapter and the verses before that quote and you will find that the subject is unity of teachings and purpose and not oneness in being.  The Jews accused Jesus saying that he was God so they could punish him by death.  He never said he was.
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I think you have that right -- unless you are Mormon.  They believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three separate beings.  It still doesn't answer why God the Father is not the father.\n\nI'm shocked that you got no reasonable answers n the Religion section.
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Jesus is the son of God. God is a separate personage, who resides in heaven now and resided in heaven when Jesus walked the earth. God is not "3-in-1," as some claim, but three separate entities: God the Father, Jesus the Christ, and the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit). Three entities, of One Mind, comprise the Godhead.\n\nNote that Christ is a title, not a part of a name, and means "the anointed one." (The word Messiah also means "the anointed one," but the word is in a different language.)
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God the Father has no father on the other hand God the son[Jesus] his father is God.