is columbus responsible of mass murder of indians?
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Hmmmm. . .Interesting question.\n\nNo, he's not responsible for mass murder.\n\nHe is responsible for being one of the first in a wave of Europeans who would decimate the Indian tribes through communicable disease.\n\nSo was Columbus's voyage to the New World responsible for the deaths of many, many people?  Yes, without a doubt.\n\nDid Columbus murder them?  No.
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There was Indians all through there...over fifty tribes in the area with 30,000 indians. They built mounds, too...\nHere is a long report on native life in Georgia...\nhttp://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/location.html
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What would be a reason to colonize any land?  Why did the Indians come over here way back when the land was connected to Europe?   Hunger for food, wealth, saftey and life.   It is rather silly to equate our feelings and our present laws with the actions and rules that were prevalent in those days.   It was nothing at all to kill for survival and greed in those days.    The Native American also killed, pillaged and raped his neighbor for numerous reasons and it was an accepted fact.   I don't think you can find any other nation in the world that has coddled and repaid their indigenous people as well as has the USA.  Check it out!  Go to an old plantation in the south and look at the slaves quarters, then look at what they came from. Early death in the disease ridden jungles, right? They had it better here as slaves, except with bad slave owners, of course.  Think about it!
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so how did you come to this conclusion. are you talking about native americans?
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Greatest genocide on earth >>>> happened in America\n\nNative Indian population before they were prosecuted: 100 milion \n\nNative Indian population now: 2 million (approx) \n\nEven the "Great American Leaders(sic)" were guilty. \n\nThe founding fathers on that rock shared common characteristics. All four valued white supremacy and promoted the extirpation of Indian society. The United States' founding fathers were staunchly anti-Indian advocates in that at one time or another, all four provided for genocide against Indian peoples of this hemisphere. \n\nGeorge Washington... \nIn 1779, George Washington instructed Major General John Sullivan to attack Iroquois people. Washington stated, "lay waste all the settlements around...that the country may not be merely overrun, but destroyed". In the course of the carnage and annihilation of Indian people, Washington also instructed his general not "listen to any overture of peace before the total ruin of their settlements is effected". (Stannard, David E. AMERICAN HOLOCAUST. New York: Oxford University Press, 1992. pp. 118-121.) \n\nIn 1783, Washington's anti-Indian sentiments were apparent in his comparisons of Indians with wolves: "Both being beast of prey, tho' they differ in shape", he said. George Washington's policies of extermination were realized in his troops behaviors following a defeat. Troops would skin the bodies of Iroquois "from the hips downward to make boot tops or leggings". Indians who survived the attacks later re-named the nation's first president as "Town Destroyer". Approximately 28 of 30 Seneca towns had been destroyed within a five year period. (Ibid) \n\n\n\nfor more try this link and see who had blood on their in their hand \n\nhttp://www.greatdreams.com/lies.htm
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I wonder if the original native Americans (Red Injuns as you called em) had a say in the matter when the whites from across the ocean invaded their country and all but exterminated them.\n\nYou, dear person are also a descendant of immigrants yourself, I'm sure, as are most of the white and black American folks replying to you, unless you are of Native American descent (which I am sure you would not be proud to proclaim, if you were). Even the guys who came over on the Mayfair, they initiated the unjustness by being the harbingers of terror that culminated in the annihilation of native Americans\n\nI wonder when the Caucasian will ever get over the white 'massa' superiority complex?\n\n\nAmerica has been drawing people from all over the world, right from the days of it's discovery as a land with the fabled pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. Give it some more time, you'll end up with an exodus of people, as is happening among the immigrants from India which is gaining from the Brain Gain as opposed to the earlier brain drain.\n\nI remember when my cousin migrated to the US in the seventies, people had similar complaints about the Indians.\n\nTh reverse is happening now, a number of western countries have their top people insisting on an India stint, and the Indians, well they wanna come back to their roots.\n\nst
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Muslims were killed in India because they instigated violence by attacking Hindus, in your case Americans got what was coming to them
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8:00 pm east coast, history channel. Maybe some people can learn a bit of truth about this holiday. Native Americans have gotten the crappy end of the stick more than any other race of people in America. If more people really knew their history, not the crap they teach about feel good history, they wouldn't write the kind of responses I have read. I guess it applies to all forums on here. Some people wouldn't believe the truth even if it was smacking them in the face. Demonize it, then kill it or pass a law to control it. Worked then, works now.
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according to MSN encarta:\n\nBy the time the admiral returned to Spain, Queen Isabella was gravely ill, and she died on November 26, 1504, shortly after his arrival. Weakened by rheumatism, exposure, and years of bad food, Columbus was very ill as well, and he spent many months in Sevilla recuperating at the monastery of Las Cuevas. Over the next year and a half until his death, Columbus tried to regain his lost titles of governor and viceroy. He wrote letters, petitioned the crown, and persuaded others to intercede on his behalf. When he was well enough, he followed the court of King Ferdinand to several cities in Spain, hoping to see the king. In May 1505 King Ferdinand finally granted Columbus an audience in which the explorer was allowed to present his claims to his titles and the riches of the Indies. His titles were not returned, but the king did allow for arbitration regarding his financial claims. In the end, Columbus’s share was confirmed at 2 percent of the riches of the Indies, a considerable amount. Combined with the fact that Columbus already had a coat of arms and noble status, this afforded the Columbus family a lifestyle equal to that of the richest nobility in Spain. \n\nIn late 1505 Columbus became too ill to travel any more. He remained in the city of Valladolid until his death. On May 20, 1506, both of his sons, his brother Bartholomew, and his faithful friend Diego Méndez were at his side when the admiral murmured “Into thy hands, O Lord, I commit my spirit” and passed away. His body was buried initially in Valladolid, but in 1509 his son Diego transferred the remains to the monastery of Las Cuevas in Sevilla. The current location of Columbus’s remains is still debated. They were moved to the Americas in the middle of the 16th century, first to Santo Domingo and then, in 1795, to Havana, Cuba. Then his remains supposedly traveled back to Spain in 1899 where, it is claimed, they are interred in the Cathedral of Sevilla.
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Correct ... there were already lots of people in North America when Columbus got here, including the Inuit who probably crossed the Bering Sea from Asia on the ice bridge thousands of years before Columbus.
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If you call occupation of territory settled by people and taking their land while denying them their rights or even treating them as humans civilized I guess the US must be the most barbarious civilization there is. People have been condemning the Nazis for trying to wipe out the Jews, well the Americans have suceeded even more by almost wiping out an entire nation of cultured people who were long settled in the continent with their own culture, law and government. So yes technically American Indians or more precisely the various tribes are the first people here and thus should be sovereign and even ruling the white man not vice versa as it is. They have more right to be called Americans than the rat tag bunch of colonials that arrived here and started a wave of slaughter and massacres such as the force eviction of tribes along the trail of tears, force evacuation and settlement of reservations, gifts of smallpox infested blankets in an effort in biological warfare, broken treaties and senseless wars and killings. Think about that.
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Christopher Columbus (October 30, 1451? – 20 May 1506) was an explorer and trader, who crossed the Atlantic Ocean and reached the Americas on October 12, 1492 under the flag of Castile. History places great significance on his landing in America in 1492, with the entire period of the history of the Americas before this date usually known as Pre-Columbian, and the anniversary of this event, Columbus Day, being celebrated in many parts of America. Although there is evidence of Pre-Columbian trans-Atlantic Ocean European contact, Columbus is commonly credited as the first European to see the Americas because of the profound impact his contact wrought on history. His voyage marked the beginning of European exploration and colonization of the Americas.\n\nIt is generally assumed he was Genoese. However there is no solid evidence of this and historians claim he could have been born in other places, from the Crown of Aragón to the Kingdoms of Galicia or Portugal, or in the Greek island of Chios, among others. His birthname is also unknown; see the section on Columbus' national origin for a discussion of his origin and names.
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Your missing the biggest mass murderers ever.  \n\nStalins kill total made Hitler look like a noob at mass murder. The most conservitive estimates are around 10 million with most estimates closer to 100 million. \n\nMao Tse Tung - He gets the credit but he was just one of several Chinese leaders who created the waves of genocide that chewed up China for decades. Again at least 10 million dead from re-education camps, executions and such.  Many dead from starvation due to Government policy. \n\nAfter those two groups you have the wannabes like Hitler.  The Nazi toll is between 4-7 million by most esitmates. Very similer to Pol Pots but nowhere near what Stalin and Mao Tse Tung managed to do. \n\nIdi Amin - At last 3 mill from what I understand. \n\nPol Pot - Around 4 mill with conservitive estimates. \n\nSaliden - Hundreds of thousands of Jews and Christians executed when he retook the "Holy lands" \n\nCrusaders -  Hundreds of thousands  of Jews and Muslims when they conquered the Holy land. Both Christian and Islamic armies typically put the entire population of captured cities to the sword. \n\nThe leaders of the Spanish Inquisition. The Inquisitions were a Europe wide event at the instigation of a corrupt Pope. The Spanish however were the most enthusiastic about it and continued it the longest. Heritics, "witches" Jews who would not convert and anybody who gained disfavor were tortured and often executed. \n\nJapanese in Asia. One of the most poignent images was one of Japanese soldiers carrying Chinese babies spiked on thier bayonettes. Whether that gruesome rumor is true or not, it does represent Japanese atrociites in captured lands and against captured POWs.  Millions of civillians  died under Japanese rule in China, the Philipines, Burma during WWII. Tens of thousands of POWs as well. In Manilla alone the Japanese were said to have killed 10,000 civillians in the last days before it was liberated by US troops. \n\nThe Iranian revolutionary party - Initiated a cleansing after taking power and to this day people out of favor with the Iranian Gov disapeer. \n\nThe Shah of Iran  - His secret police had a habit of making people disapeer. How many is hard to say since the Gov that suceeded him was even more brutal. \n\nSadam Husian - 30,000 just with Kurds he gassed. A million or more executed in jails or just taken out and shot for the mere suspicion of disagreeing with the Bath party or Sadam. Ordered Kurdish children into machine gun fire to run them out of ammo and allow reguler troops to advance. Commited many attrocities against the Shiate populations in the south of Iraq. One of Hussain's sons personally enjoyed killing and on a reguler basis was known to kidnap women then later execute them as well as just randomly shooting people he took a dislike too, including one that got him in trouble with his daddy. \n\nEnglish Occupation of Ireland. In particuler during the potato famine. The Irish grew enough food to support Ireland but much of it was diverted to England. The Irish worked the land but it was owned primarily by English landlords. So potatoes became the primary food source for the Irish as the rest was exported to England. Britan silently watched millions of Irish starve while they consumed food grown or raised in Ireland.  Beyond that were many small attrocities such as the terror from the Black and Tans. If you combine that with causualties in frequent rebellions and those executed for disloyalty to England you have probably a 10 million toll over a 300 year period ending witht he potatoe famine. \n\nSpanish conquests, millions of Mayans and Incas were executed in mass numbers by Spanish conlonists. Far greater than all of the US Indian wars combined. All of this in a short 50 year span. Disease then took over to help elimanate whole tribes. \n\nWestern slave trade. Over a 200 year period at least 500,000 African slaves died in the holds of slave ships, were worked to death or otherwi
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What has been happening over a period of years or decades is apologist revisionist textbooks have taken a distorted view of history in a vain attempt to impose Twentieth Century ideals upon events of the Fifteenth.  The problem with this is that standards and beliefs four hundred years ago were quite a bit different than today, so customs were different, attitudes were different, society was different.  What Christopher Columbus did was part of his era, not 1985.  You cannot impose ideals and customs of the 1980s or the 1990s upon the 1400s or 1500s and expect to make any valid conclusions.  Those in the year 2000 who say Columbus was a tyrant were not living in 1490 and have no right to make that sort of value judgment.  They have taken Columbus out of context and plopped him down in the beginning of the Twenty-first Century.  At one time slavery in the Southern states was an accepted part of the culture, so were the witch trials at Salem.  Today these events are viewed with disdain, but at the time they were normal and proper. Even George Washington has been attacked by the so-called "politically correct" revisionists.\n\nBy the way, there is a theory that the New World was "discovered by Chinese traders in 1423, nearly 70 years before Columbus.  When he arrived, it was a "discovery" for the Europeans, even though others may have discovered it previously.\n\nSo the problem you are encountering is that of revisionist historians with an agenda who are writing textbooks,  and imposing todays morals and standards on a bygone era.  It is just not a valid association, it distorts the historical perspective and destroys any hope of understanding events of the past in terms of the norms of the time.
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This is about the European slaughter of Native Americans, as the colonization of North America caused the near-extinction of the Native American populace.
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NO.\n\nOnly those who believe the brainwashing campaign of white man's burden would say yes.\n\n##Largest man made famine in Bengal,\n\n##Detruction of educations system in India so that they could establish their own\n\n## Looting of India continuously for a long period created MASS poverty in India.\n\n##The burning of ancient books on Ayurveda in Kerala, so as to impose the European system of medicine on the natives, \n\n##the cutting of weavers' thumbs in Bengal with a view of crippling the production of superior Indian cloth and ensuring the sale of British products, \n\n##the ruthless, often bloody, extortion of revenue from the peasants for decades on end, even in the midst of the worst famines, \n\n##the whipping, hangings and tortures that awaited those who opposed the Empire - \n\nthese are only a few among the unending examples of the "providential character" of the British rule\n\n## "For the same amount of work a white man got three times the salary as an Indian would get." \n\nsource: Indian Labor Journal,\n\n\n"The British were more cunning at the game than the Portuguese, careful to show respect for Indian religions. Yet they sneered at the pagans behind their back, educated the Indian elite in British-run schools, or at Eton and Cambridge - which, if it did not guarantee conversion to Christianity, resulted in lapsed Hinduism, agnosticism, or an intellectual humanism.  \n\nIn India, Anglo indoctrination produced a generation of "brown sahibs" who looked down on the religion of the masses, the opium of the people. Such is the power of colonization that a whole generation must pass before the paralyzing spell wears off."  \n\nthere were for instance 125,000 medical institutes in Madras before the British came. Indians never lacked education, the Christians only brought British education to India, which in fact caused more damage to India by westernizing many of us." \n    source: Arise O' India - By Francois Gautier \n\n##The year 1857, therefore, marked the beginning of a new British policy of exploiting the existing caste and communal divisions in the country for their imperial ends. \n\n##"...dogs and Indians" were, by notification in that precise language, excluded from some of "Europeans only" clubs. Indians were not allowed to travel by railway carriages, or use railway waiting rooms, reserved for Europeans. Not only that, Indian judges were not allowed to try Europeans in the districts and the Ilbert Bill, introduced in 1883 during Lord Ripon's viceroyalty, to remedy the situation, had to be withdrawn in the face of vicious opposition by Europeans and Anglo-Indians. \n\n"While we hold onto India, we are a first rate power. If we lose India, we will decline to a third rate power. This is the value of India."   \n\n -  So spoke Lord Curzon in 1901\nAmerican Historian Will Durant has observed:\n\n"British rule in India is the most sordid and criminal exploitation of one nation by another in all recorded history. I propose to show that England has year by year been bleeding India to the point of death, and that self-government of India by the Hindus could not within any reasonable probability, have worse results than the present form of alien domination."\n\n##No traveler found India poor until the nineteenth century, but foreign merchants and adventurers sought her shores for the almost fabulous wealth, which they could there obtain. 'To shake the pagoda tree' became a phrase, somewhat similar to our modern expression 'to strike oil'."\n\nBuckminster Fuller (1895-1893) philosopher:-\n\n "The British were perhaps the most successful pirates in history. They came to India, pillaged the country in the name of trade and then enslaved it in the name of civilization."\n\nList goes on.........\n\n\nAdded: Really interesting that they still want more 8 to 10 bits of India!!! India toget
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Actually it's about the mass murder of native Americans by early settlers. \n\nTurkey anyone?