How much pain can a person endure before he or she has thoughts of suicide?
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I'm sorry you are having a hard time but things can get better. You may want to speak to a therapist to sort through some things that are bothering you. No money for a therapist call your local Suicide Prevention phone line and see who they can recommend to treat for free or at a reduced cost. Not interested. Then you might want to try some vitamin B 12. In time it often helps lift a lot of people out of depression. Good luck.
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Some suicidal people are religious, so that statement 'They haven't read the bible' is just silly and ignorant. \n\nIt's very hard to understand truly without ever having been there. But imagine the pain you'd feel if a loved one died, a loved pet, even a loved family member. \n\nThen picture how you'd feel if that feeling just continued for good, for years even, till you either slept almost all the time or got no sleep. Till you either ate too much, or ate too little. And how tired you'd get, feeling sad all that time.\n\nSuicidal people don't have any hope for the future. They're tired, sad, alone, and are starting to loose touch with reality. They might deliberately push away friends, or family, go quiet, they might hurt people's feelings and they'll start to think that it would be best for all if they didn't exist.\n\nIf they are religious, they may feel abandoned by whoever they believe in.\n\nAnd yes, they do loose touch with reality. \n\nPeople who survived attempted suicide usually return to normal with help and are very glad they survived. It's hard to understand what was going through one's mind, even for someone who survived being suicidal, but I hope I helped a tiny bit.\n\n\nEdit- smcin728 is half right. It is rather selfish, but no more selfish than people who smoke. (Like a mother smoking over her baby.)\n\nBut she is wrong in that for some suicidal people, their entire way of thinking is 'What would be better for everyone I love'. I remember at one point during it, when I had to watch my mother sink into a HUGE financial debt, that it would be best for her to get the life insurance and pay it off.\n\nYou've got to take it on a case by case basis. No person has the exact same reasons.
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some people are in so much pain, either physical or emotional, that they think that anything would be different...\n\nsometimes people are not so much thinking about ending suffering, rather escaping from themselves.\n\ni've seen plenty of death in my time and as far as i'm concerned they're not suffering.  this is especially noticable if the person was in a lot of pain beforehand.
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The problem with most of society is that they do not realize that suicide is not away of getting attention. When a person talks about suicide I can guarantee that they will eventualy try and will often times succeed. Suicides are always done in private and when it is time, love ones never know untill it is to late.\n\nPeople commit suicide because of the incredible emotional and sometimes physical pains that they experience.\n\nSome say that our Gothic and emo children are sad and depressed and talk about suicide because they wan attention, but many do not realize that severe depression affects many different kinds of people. I affects all races, all sexuses, all ages, it affects the very wealthy as well as the very poor.\n\nMany people who do not understand depression are quick to insult and put down those of us that are truly sad. Depression is an illness of the brain that affects the seritonin levels within the brain. These people do not want to be this way but the brain has the inability to make the chemicles in the brain needed to control their emotions.\n\nI live in Orange County Ca (like the tv show), I have an SUV and a sports car, I have a beautiful wife and daughter, and live a very good life. I say all this because I suffer from depression in a horrible way and have attempted suicide 3 times nearly succeeding on the third attempt. Just like a diabetic I am required to take medicines and I have therapy very often to insure I stay alive.\n\nPeople who talk about suicide need to be taken very seriously even if they talk about it all the time. These people do not understand why they feel this way and know that this is not a normal thing to feel.\n\nThese people are often blown off because a societies ignorance to this problem. It has been very difficult for my family, especially my wife. She thaught as did my friends that I was just being weird untill I was put in the hospital. My family did some research and now understand this condition.\n\nJust one more thing, a person who attempts and/or succeds suicide is not weak or unbrave at all. I say this because any person not afflicted with depression have a fear of death. I do not fear death and for me attempting suicide or even thinking about it, is as easy as washing my hands.\n\nDon't cast these people aside, take them very seriously, you may save a life.
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well if you have to much pressure laying on your shoulders, you can get overly depresed and even more frustrated and feel like you are nothing to the world, causing you to might like to kill yourself
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I think that the worst thing that could happen would  be living forever while in some sort of unending pain. It really doesnt matter if the pain is physical, emotional or mental.
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When a person you are close to commits suicide it is hard to forget. It has happened to me. Not a soul mate but a friend. \nYou always think that you could have done something to help.... This is a tough one to answer. It is not easy to lose your "soul mate". To lose her/him because they take their own life is even harder. It takes time to get over it. If something like this happened to me, I would be more concerned about the person who did this.\nI believe that we don't really have the right to terminate our existence. I would pray for him/her as much as possible and also pray for myself to have the strength to carry this heavy emotional load.
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First I would advise against referring this friend to mental heath care unless you believe him/her to be seriously suicidal (even then, pray about it first). From first-hand experience, I can say that doctors, no matter how well meaning, rarely can make things better, especially if they are not christian. Mental hospitals can keep patients alive, but they can't make the root problem better. Only God can do that.\n\nSecond, as someone else said, advice is not usually welcome in someone depressed, so think carefully before you speak. I can't give you any specific help except don't give general advice (for example, suggest he/she take a fifteen minute walk each morning and evening, rather than the more general, "be more active").\n\nFinally, instead of specific verses, I would suggest reading with her/him everyday if he/she will allow it. What may not strike you may be the exact key that they need. The King James Version (this is not evident in any other version) also has a soothing property in its sound arrangement which scientists have found helps to calm distress.\n\nIf he she is suicidal, I would suggest this section in which Paul describes feeling the same way:\n2 Corinthians 1:3-10, "Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;\nWho comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.\nFor as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.\nAnd whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.\nAnd our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.\nFor we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:\nBut we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:\nWho delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;"\n\nGod bless you and help your friend.
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Well, I hope you don't recommend suicide.\n\nI have attempted to kill myself by drowning, hanging, crashing into something (by car), suffocating, etc.\n\nWhy? Um, hereditary mental illnesses like depression and borderline personality disorder. When I get upset, I think irrationally. I had an abusive mother (who suffers from the same illnesses but denies them), horrible grade school experiences, etc.\n\nI used to inflict harm upon myself. I would still do it but my fiance threatens to leave me if I ever do it again.
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Technically suicide is selfish because it really hurts the loved ones left behind but for the person committing suicide it is anything but selfish.  I have counselled people who considered suicide and I have wanted to commit suicide so I speak from experience. To tell someone thinking suicide thoughts they are selfish is a ridiculous ignorant thing to do. A suicidal person is usually so depressed that they honestly feel that they are horrible losers and that everyone will be better off with out them around they are in fact not thinking of themselves at the time but about their perceived injustice to their loved ones and feel that everyone will benefit from their death. I can not stand it when people call suicidal people selfish it really hits a sore spot having been there on both sides of the fence.
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Get some help:\n\nCall some on this list that can help you!\nIf you kill yourself, your dead.  Then nobody can help you, you can't even help yourself.  My brother committed suicide.  Not the best option!\n\nSuicide: Don't let despair obscure other options\nDespair and hopelessness may lead you to think about suicide. But you have other options, from weathering an immediate crisis to creating a long-term safety plan.\n\nWhen life doesn't seem worth living anymore or your problems seem insurmountable, you may think that the only way to find relief is through suicide.\n\nYou might not believe it, but you do have other options — options to stay alive and feel better about your life. Maybe you think you've already tried them all and now you've had enough. Or maybe you think your family and friends would be better off without you.\n\nIt's OK to feel bad, but try to separate your emotions from your actions for the moment. Realize that depression, other mental disorders or long-lasting despair can distort your perceptions and impair your ability to make sound decisions. Suicidal feelings are the result of treatable illnesses. So try to act as if there are other options, even if you may not see them right now.\n\nNo, it probably won't be easy. You may not feel better overnight. Eventually, though, the sense of hopelessness can lift. You can find support, appropriate treatment and reasons for living.\nWhen you need immediate help for thoughts of suicide\n\nIf you're considering suicide right now and have the means available, talk to someone first. The best choice is to call 911 or your local emergency services number.\n\nIf you simply don't want to do that, for whatever reason, you have other choices for reaching out to someone:\n\n    * Contact a family member or friend\n    * Contact a doctor, mental health professional or other health care professional\n    * Contact a minister, spiritual leader or someone in your faith community\n    * Go to your local hospital emergency room\n    * Call a crisis center or hot line\n\nCrisis centers or suicide hot lines are often listed in the front of your phone book or on the Internet. They generally offer trained counselors — usually volunteers — who can help you through an immediate crisis. Some crisis centers with an Internet presence offer e-mail contact, but remember that responses may not be as prompt as they are with telephone support.\n\nTalking to someone about your feelings — connecting with someone — can help relieve the burden of despair and isolation, even if just temporarily. It may help you shift perspective and more clearly see that you have options beyond suicide.\nDaily coping strategies to manage thoughts of suicide\n\nYou may struggle with suicidal feelings frequently, perhaps many times a day. Develop a strategy to cope with those feelings in a healthy way. Consider asking a doctor, family member or friend to help create a strategy tailored to your specific situation.\n\n\nThat strategy may mean doing things you don't feel like doing, such as talking to friends when you'd rather hole up in your bedroom all day with the curtains drawn. Or it may mean going to the hospital for a mental health evaluation. But stick to your strategy, especially when you're in the grips of despair and hopelessness.\n\nAs part of your strategy, consider these measures:\n\n    * Keep a list of contact names and numbers readily available, including doctors, therapists and crisis centers.\n    * If your suicide plans include taking an overdose, give your medications to someone who can safeguard them for you and help you take them appropriately.\n    * Rid your home of knives, guns, razors or other weapons you may consider using for self-destructive purposes.\n    * Schedule daily activities for yourself that have brought you even small pleasure in the past, such as taking a walk, listening to music, watching a funny movie, knitting or visiting a
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I am sorry to hear of the loss of your son.\n\n"Thoughts of death", is something distinct from "suicidal ideation."\n\nThoughts of death does not have to mean that you will go ahead and plan a suicide.\n\nTo use an analogy, thoughts of taking a cruise holiday and daydreaming about it is not the same as deciding to save up for the ticket, going to apply for a passport, buying cloths and packing your bag.\n\nIn your case, while it is true that one can lead to the other, it does not have to be that way.\n\nI would seek out support from those you feel comfortable talking to about this...family or friends, and then I would compliment that support by seeking out a trained counselor, therapist, or even your local GP...all of whom can assist you in understanding these thoughts, and not being fearful that they mean something that they dont, or that they mean you are not in control of your life.\n\nGood Luck\n\nJimmy
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Yes, suicidal people are very difficult to live with.  My room-mate and best friend of over 20 years committed suicide last December 16th, and was increasingly hard to live with in the several months before that.  Sometimes I think they want you to say, "well, go ahead and get it over with," so that they don't have to feel guilty.  But of course if you do, and they "call your bluff," you will feel horribly guilty afterwards.  So you struggle to find something to say to make them want to live, and make them stop talking in that depressing way.  \n\nBut you specifically mentioned older people.  There comes a time when medical science can keep a person alive past all reason.  This is a very, very different question.  If a person who is obviously in pain, has little prospect of having any improvement in their condition, talks about suicide, I think you have to be sympathetic, but avoid saying no, no, don't do it.  It may in fact be the most sensible thing for them.  Of course, it would equally be a mistake to encourage them to do it, because of the aforementioned guilt.  Still, going to extremes to prevent it is probably just being cruel.  \n\nIn the end, suicide is the one thing that absolutely must be a decision of the individual involved.
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Suicide is frequently highly stigmatized, and those experiencing suicidal ideation struggle to be heard and understood. Suicidal ideation frequently results from the experience of pain outweighing the individual's coping strategies and resources for dealing with that pain.\n\nMedicine views suicide as a mental health issue. Severe suicidal thoughts are considered a medical emergency. Mental health practitioners consistently advise suicidal people to seek help. This is especially true if the means (weapons, drugs, or other methods) are available, or if a detailed plan is in place. Suicidal patients in mental hospitals may be temporarily bound, placed in padded rooms, or incapacitated with drugs to limit access to means of suicide.
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NO!  People can truly be in pain because something is going on in their bodies.  I think it's possible to make the pain worse by dwelling on it, but believing that pain is only in the mind is simply ridiculous.  Just ask a cancer patient, or someone with kidney stones, or a gall bladder problem....
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Just reassure him that you love him, and what would you do without him, leave it at that, and he may realize that he not only hurt himself. he needs professional help, and needs to know that know one is worth suicide, why dint people realize this???? if they can so freely love you one minute, and then as quick change their minds, they are not worth it, especially if over a new person in their life, and the pattern may continue, he should have realized, it is not worth it. i hope he Will recover without too much damage..good life...........
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I used to have the same problem that your friend has. My parents were crazy and strict and I became depressed and suicidal for many years. I never attempted suicide, but I did cut myself occasionally. I understand when she says it feels good. The best way that I can explain it is that the physical pain sort of momentarily takes away the emotional anguish that you're experiencing. It's not a healthy thing to do, buy many people do it. If your friend doesn't want to see a therapist, the best thing that you can do for your friend right now is to just be there for her and listen as much as you can. Since your friend can't really change her parents right now, there's not a lot that she can do about her current situatione except to learn how to cope with the problems that she's dealing with. If your friend expresses any desire to commit suicide or you think that she might be thinking about suicide, then you need to tell someone about it, a school counselor, a church advisor, or a parent.