HAS anyone determined the cost of this bill HR4437 and the impact on our already overcrowded prisons?
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I think the HR4437 is a radical solution to a more complex problem,if they want to pass that bill, why they don't just go knocking door to door and deport all the people that look Hispanic, there has to be a better way to solve this immigration problem, they are here, they work, they pay for the food they eat, taxes for that food, pay for rent, pay for everything they use or consume, what are they gonna do with all that space they are occupying , what are they gonna do with all the apartments , the food , the production of food, the clothes , the products the immigrants buy, they are already here, they live somewhere, you see them everyday, sending them to prison is just to radical, first you need to secure the border, and then find a solution to the more than 12 millions illegals aliens,
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well, lots of reasons. one, the bill is fundamentally bad.\n\nillegal immigrants can already be deported without a trial, so I am not sure how that changes. but the felony thing is crazy.\n\nour judicial system can't handle it...the entire prison system house 2 million.\n\nhow can it deal with 11 million more?
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http://prisonactivist.org/pipermail/prisonact-list/2004-March/008873.html
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That's the greatest thing I've seen all day! Thank you. I'm pretty sure it's going to be a short term clause, but it's good to see somebody trying to work within the system. It' won't work in the long run, but bringing public awareness around is a good step (if a small one) towards political change. Plus, it's pirates! How cool is that?! Avast! Arrgghh!
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The site:\n\nhttp://www.cctexas.com/?fuseaction=main.view&page=536\n\nhas both the proposed and adopted budget for Corpus\nChristi for FY2005-2006.  This happens to be a 490 page\ndocument, so I decided I wasn't interested enough to\nreally read it carefully :-)  There's an index, so that\nmight help.\n\nI did notice one set of summaries around page 53 which\nexplained that the general fund, as well as the\nexpenditures by the likely cast of characters (mayor,\ncity council, etc), was around $166M.  I would guess,\nthought, that the budget is a lot more than\nthat (based on the size of  Corpus Christi).
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Already have. \n\nI write both my state Senators twice a week on this issue as it is that important.  \nEach time they write me back with the knowledge I will\nbe writing again.\n\nSo at least I'm keeping them busy writing me.
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I am not a lawyer, but I have some experience in the law.  \nDon't know which state you are from, and that would make a difference.\n\nWith jail budgets getting tighter and tighter, many institutions are opting to pass some of the costs on to the inmates in the form of fees and such.  Whether this is legal in the jurisdiction you are from is whether there is a state law and/or county ordinance to permit it.\n\nOn the second part of your question reference punishing loved ones, it depends on what "punishment" is done and how it is being done.  Contact the Sheriff or jail administrator as they may be able to explain what is going on.  Don't go in making vague accusations of corruption without some evidence and supporting documentation. Ultimately, you may have to contact a local attorney in your area.\n\nDear Old Dad
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NO, it does not. It's absurdly expensive as the sentences are so long. There's barely any rehabilitation going on, and for the most part too many ppl are admitted for very long sentences who have not done serious crimes. Once you go through hell that most jails are you won't come out the same! And usually you won't come out a better person either! On top of that recidivism rates are extremely high when compared to other countries, i.e. in Europe. Some state prisons have recidivism rates as high as 20-30%. So no, too many do not become productive members of society again. I think there's a problem how the system works in itself, it might be successful at punishing, but not rehabilitation, in either case it should focus in prevention, and not be just a reactionary system. Some states, I think Florida and California will be soon among them if not yet, are spending more, or at least the same for education as prison systems. Now, doesn't anyone think there's something wrong with that? Right now US is jailing more than 2 million individuals... That's equivalent to a small country! There's clearly problems with the system, as well as the the way that society sees it and how they regard crime itself. Putting someone in jail as long as possible is not going to change anything! It's what he does in that jail that matters, not how long he stays there. So, if you think it's a good idea to fill the jails up with criminals, - fill them up, then build more max security prisons at 10 grand a cell, and fill those up as well, just don't come to me when it's time to pay taxes. And pray that once those criminals get out they don't come to you for anything, cause they'll be pissed. It's something to think about when you see the next politician boasting how he'll be tough on crime just cause it's an easy way to get votes, and felons can't vote, so he got nothing to loose, it's the society that does.
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I'm all for depth-charging the Senate bill, and going with the House bill which is 100% enforcement. This is getting stupid. Too many stupid greedy politicians have made promises that the rest of the country is now supposed to live up to on their behalf, and it just ain't happenin'. I think enforcement, coupled with some no-joke fine structures, will be a GREAT dis-incentive for pie-in-the-sky legislators/legislation.  There's lots of poor countries around the world. They would ALL like to move to america.\nThey'd VERY MUCH like to move to america...like, really, a lot, and stuff. You don't mind, do you? LOLOL
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First off, I believe you mean H.R. 4437. It's a good, strong bill againt illegal immigration passed by the House and yet to be voted on by the Senate, but will probably be shot down because the GOP has become a bunch of sissies. See below for more info (especially the External Links at the bottom).
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Actually if you do some research you'll find that an average more money is spent on a prisoner on death row.  Appeals, lengthy stay on death row, etc adds up also.  The death penalty is not only wrong its wasting taxpayers money!  But what is the Gov. doing thats right these days anyways?
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An interesting assignment. I would be interested in seeing how that goes...\n\nI'm a Republican, and there's really not allot that stumps me. However, I WOULD ask for proof that a guest-worker bill is NOT amnesty by another name.
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Key provisions of the Senate's main immigration bill would create a "gold card" program for illegal immigrants who entered the United States before Jan. 4, 2004, and create a guest worker program to bring in more foreign laborers, according to Senate Judiciary Committee staff members.\n\nThe committee is to begin debating the measure Wednesday under a three-week timetable aimed at producing a final version for the full Senate by March 27.\n\nSponsored by the committee chairman, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the legislation is designed to strike a middle course between a bill passed by the House that calls for tougher immigration enforcement and the wishes of pro-immigration advocates who call for permanent legal status -- and eventual citizenship -- for an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants.\n\nPresident Bush, defying objections from conservatives, has called for an overhaul of the nation's immigration laws and the creation of a temporary guest worker program to ensure a steady source of labor for U.S. businesses. Under Bush's plan, qualified workers, including residents now living here illegally, could stay in jobs for up to six years, then would be required to return home.In a move to build support for Bush's guest worker amnesty plan, administration officials talked about how they would actually implement the program. Jaws dropped as the administration reps explained the centerpiece of the program, a "Gold Card" that would enable illegal aliens to enter the U.S. at will, and work at any job with no labor market or other tests needed but would deny them citizenship. "Gold Card" would be valid forever, similar to current "Green Cards" but illegal aliens holding a "Gold Card" would not be able to adjust their status through naturalization.
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Are you talking about hr 2237?\n\nIt would make illegals criminals and send to jail anyone who helps them. ok well, once all the illegals are in jail and the people who help them...and then the prices of everything in the US starts going up .....I dont think people really have thought of that aspect. Of course i'm not for it. So once illegals are in jail...who's going to pick your oranges for your morning breakfast??? or are you going to go and work for long hours for minimum wage?? I doubt most US citizens would.
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don't know that it is, or that it isn't.  read the text of the legislation and come back to us with an answer. I'm posting the web address with the complete text in it.\n\nEnjoy.
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It already passed the House in December. There is no way to know when the Senate will vote on it. It is currently in the Judiciary committee, and it could take months to get through there or never be moved on to the whole house.
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Here Is HR4437\n\nhttp://www.justiceforimmigrants.org/HR4437.html