How can calling people an idiot prove there is a God?
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First, tabbymomma is not making a statement or asking a question about whether or not god exists, or the veracity of atheism versus agnosticism versus Christianity.  What she is asking, is why do people call other people idiots when they are trying to convince them that their view is right?\n\nI agree with her.\n\nIt seems the "debate" in here consists of believers and non-believers calling each other idiots.  This is not a debate.  Neither is telling a non-believer he/she is going to hell, or telling a believer they are in the thrall of ignorant superstition.  Debate involves respecting your opponent, and his or her ideas, while you are pointing out what you believe are the fallacies.  In the very least, it involves a little civility.\n\n___________________________________________________________\n\nOh, and an agnostic is not a "pansy" atheist.  Agnostics hold that, ultimately, the existence or non-existence of divinity can not be proven one way or the other (and, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence), so this is a question which is ultimately unanswerable and unknowable.  This is different from atheists, who believe there is no god at all.
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Unfortunately most Christians are extremely ignorant about things related to their own religious beliefs and because of this they have very misguided ideas about what it means to believe in god and what "faith" is.  I know this very well having been a Christian for many years. I attended Christian Theology school and one thing I quickly realized is how ignorant Christians are when it comes to the book they so dearly love--the Bible. (despite the fact that they claim to cherish the bible 99% of all christians have never even read the entire bible from start to finish)\n\nIn my opinion not only is it OK to question Gods existence and the validity of Christianity, I think it is NECESSARY and I think that the Christian God encourages this type of questioning. \n\nWhen you study the old testament there are countless examples of God performing miracles in order to PROVE that he was the true and only god.  Any person who has actually studied the bible would recognize this and therefore the idea that it is WRONG to question gods existence is foolish since the God of the bible himself thought it necessary to demonstrate evidence for his own existence and superiority over the pagan gods. \n\nAnother evidence for the fact that even the Christian God would encourage questioning their religion is the fact that Christians, when they are "witnessing" to non-christians demand of them to question their own belief systems and to consider all the arguments for the validity of Christianity.  \n\nChristians use prophecy to prove the authenticity and validity of the Bible over other books who lack such evidence. \n\nTherefore, it is completely ridiculous and hypocritical for Christians to try to give evidence for the validity of Christianity through "prophecy" etc one minute and then condemn a person who is demanding "evidence" for the validity of Christian beliefs. \n\nSo my conclusion regarding this point is that pretty much all Christians are extremely ignorant even about their own beliefs and they are hypocritical because they try to give "logical" reasons and proof for their belief system and expect people to be "honest with themselves and truly consider Christianity" but yet they would condemn you for "questioning" Christianity once you are in it.  Its ridiculously funny. \n\nHowever, I think it is important to make a distinction between Christians and the Christian religion and the question of whether there is a god and whether the bible has something to it.  They are two different things.  Just because Christians are ignorant does not mean that God doesnt exist or that the Bible doesnt have something to it. \n\nAs a student of Philosophy (something that wasnt encouraged by Christianity) I began to study all of the philosophical arguments for the Existence of God and I am 100% convinced that a god does exist.  These philosophical arguments have nothing to do with Christianity or the bible, they are simply deduced using logic.  there are many different arguments for the existence of god, all of them have limitations, however, when you consider all of them they provide a very strong argument in favor of the existence of god. \n\nhere i will share only one of them. \n\nThe Cosmological Argument: the cosmological argument consists of the following syllogism:\n\n1. the earth had a beginning\n\n2. everything that has a beginning has a cause\n\n3, therefore the earth had a cause\n\nit sounds extremely simple and it in fact is, but it is also extremely powerful.  i will elaborate only a little on this argument but trust me when i say that it provides an enormously powerful argument in favor of gods existence. \n\n1. we know from physics etc that the universe is expanding, therefore if we reversed time it obviously means that the universe would be compacting, this means that the universe was at one point at a level of complete and total compaction.\n\n2. there is no such thing as i
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Absolutely not.  Though I am not an atheist (anymore), I have found that the atheists I have known are just as mixed and variable as any other group I have ever met; some have very good, well-reasoned thoughts as to why they believe there is no god.\n\nI will point out that the evidence that there is a god is purely based on experience.  Suggesting that atheists are stupid for believing there is no god is just as wrong-headed as suggesting that true believers are stupid for putting their faith in a force that cannot be observed objectively.
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Proof is hard. Is there evidence?\nIs it easier to prove presence or absence?\n\nDo athiest have "faith" in a "Void"?
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"amorgan4osu" is a moron. If "God's word" does not have to be proven then one could just as easily believe one thing as another.  If there need not be proof then I could just as easily say I have leprechauns in my back yard.
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I am sorry to say this. I am not trying to be rude. But since you are being rude to people who believe in God, then I have to say this.\n\nApparently the way you have spelled "persons" is wrong and so, if you do not believe in God, then...\n\nPeople who don't believe in God are stupid and ignorant.
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Of course you have the right to believe what you want.  Likewise, Agnostics and Atheists have the right to not believe what you want.  We simply can not understand how someone can believe something for which there is no evidence, much like I think you can't understand why someone can't just take it on faith.\n\nAs far as being mean, I think there are probably an equal amount of idiots on both sides.  It would be much nicer if everyone respected everyone else's right to believe or not believe without trying to convert one way or another or insult.
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Valid point.  At the very best, if proven, any argument for a deity can prove "god".  I use a lower case "g" on purpose.\n\nAll the arguments for god (which, by the way, were derived by Aquinas from the pagan greeks) at best, only prove a deist creator.  None spell out a specific "G"od, much less Yahweh.\n\nThis is all despite the fact that centuries of rational thought have exposed the glaring holes in these arguments.  Nevertheless, as I said, even if they WERE rational arguments, the only "prove" deism, nothing more.\n\nSo we arrive at the same standpoint most people are anyway...is the God Yahweh?  Jesus?  Buddhah?  Allah? Native American Corn God?  Arguments for ID and a creator prove nothing about religion.\n\nJefferson and Paine were both strong deists, who bought every argument these theists could throw down about the existance of God (though great men both, not their strongest positions, in my opinion.)  However, both men abhorred Christianity and theism in general.\n\nArguments for "g"od get you absolutely nothing, and leave people exactly where they were before, choosing their own deity.\n\nThat is why the bible has nothing to do with proving "g"od.
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I know the point you're trying to get across to people but I don't think the right way to show people a loving God is to call them dumb. As Christians we're not here to judge others, we're here to love others. So pray for those who don't believe in God and guide them to the Lord through your example.
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My belief is Atheism. The proof of its truth is obvious. (Above you will find an excellent explanation by 'Michael' which helps to explain 'How' it is obvious.) \n\nAnyone who claims direct knowledge of God or gods, ghosts, spirits or the like is either insane or an outright fool and a liar.  We live in an infinitely changing universe of matter, energy and space - there is nothing supernatural which has been found anywhere within it.  There is no truth to the belief that there is life after death or before birth.  That, by definition, is just nonsense.\n\nUntil I am presented with believable evidence that I am incorrect, I have no choice than to remain solidly atheistic.  It is the only logical course available.\n\n{}{}{} r u randy? {}{}{}\n.
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I know there is a God. I didn't arrive at this conclusion by my intellect, for human intelligence is limited. Give up on trying to figure everything out, for common sense itself should tell you that you can't know or understand everything. This is not a matter of the head, but of the heart. Ask yourself this: "If God is the truth, do I really want to know the truth?" Our sinfulness makes us afraid of a holy and righteous God who we feel must demand an accounting of us His creatures. Atheists say they don't believe in God, but I don't believe in atheists. If they don't believe in God, then who are they so mad at? They claim wisdom and knowledge and call believers simple, but I see atheists as being extremely smallminded and limited. Did atoms and microbes not exist until some human came along who was smart enough to detect them? How small these people's reality must be! How futile and pointless their existence! I commend you for at least being openminded enough to ask? How foolish it is to think that one's ignorance is evidence! Thanks for not being that way, wisdom is not beyond the grasp of one such as yourself. There is a God; He is beyond human comprehension; He is absolutely holy, righteous, and frightfuly just. His awesome majesty and power is terrifying and he is completely unapproachable by vile, prideful humans. Remember I said that it is our innate sense of this reality that drives some to deny His existense out of fear of the truth. They can't face themselves and their guilt, and they can't face a righteously angry, holy, and just God whom they rightly think will demand retribution of them. What they don't understand is that this same God is also infinitely loving, kind, gracious and merciful, and that He paid the penalty for their sins and removed their guilt which was keeping them from Him. How? He gave us His only begotten Son Jesus Christ who took our sins and guilt upon his holy and innocent self and was put to death so that we may go free. Believe this, make claim to it as a FREE GIFT from God, confess it to Him and to others, then walk in peace from now on with Him, always trusting Jesus' sacrifice as your justification in God's eyes, not your own merit. Then keep on learning more of Him and growing spiritually.><>Sir Brian
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God won't be mocked. Even the most faithful who believe in God have not seen him, and just because you can't see him does not mean he doesn't exist. \nYou want proof of his existance but can you prove that he doesn't?\nLook around you, his proof is in all the beauty that you see in his creations. There also are many quiet miracles to behold. I know science would have us all believe that we were developed in a test tube, along with every animal,plant,bug or living thing. That is not the case. Besides the bigger question is WHY? There has to be a purpose for all this madness.
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Their logic.  How can anyone claim absolute knowledge that there is no absolute being.
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Why are you so p!ssed off, sounds to me that you are not very secure in what you believe. Usually that's the case when someone continues to say that they believe something they themselves know is ridiculous.  All I have to say is your system of beliefs is weak and unstable your flaired temper tells me that your actually do not believe what you say you believe and it\npisses  you off when someone challenges it. You do not know how to defend it so you throw a childish fit and call names.  Grow up, get a live and believe some thing you can believe in.  God is God and you aren't big enough to believe Him away. He is there whether you like it or not and He is unmovable and will still be hear when you are dead and buried and He will cause the grass to grow on your dead carcase while your soul continues to die in hell.\n\nBe Blessed though you do not believe in God, He believes in you and waits for you to acknowledge Him.
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Other than trying to piss people off and inflame them, what is the point of this "question"?   I can tell that you just want to mock what you do not understand.  I bet you do not mock so called 'scientists' who invente idiotic theories without proof, ie. "ort clouds' or black holes or worm holes.\n\nThe crux of it is this.  If I believe and am wrong, I lived as a good person (relatively).  So what?\nIf you are wrong, you die and go to hell forever!\nWith stakes that high, who is the fool?
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The reality is that most PEOPLE of average or better intelligence (let alone scientists!) seriously question the existence of god, but understand that it is easier just to go along with this popular myth. If god did in fact create everything, he did kind of a crappy job (what's an appendix for? why did he make malaria? why do babies get cancer? why do priests molest children? why did so many Jews perish in WWII? Was Hitler more powerful than god?), so that's why people don't believe.  Even if there is a god, clearly he is neither omnipotent nor truly benevolent.  Do you have a family member with cancer? Do they deserve it?
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Apparently, Daniel M, the answer is no. Most religious people could not handle the shock of their reality being altered. So they stubbornly refuse to hear any sort of proof. And, while you cannot prove something does not exist (like god), there is far more empirical evidence that he does not exist than evidence that he does. There incredibly ignorant refusal to see that is why the religious are so frustrating!\n\nAnd, I have discovered, most atheists, if shown sufficient evidence of the truth of one religion or another, would convert to that religion! How ironic that atheists, who are painted as horrible, evil, satan-possessed blasphemers who are determined to corrupt everyone, are the most rational and open when it comes to religion.