Are so call "cafeteria christians" or "cheasters" really saved?
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Salvation and church are almost mutually exclusive.  Good, church going folk are almost never true Christians.
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I have heard people (nonbelievers) describe many Christians like that, but I have yet to meet a true Christian who actually said something like that about another Christian. I think that what some may be doing is judging you (or whoever) by their actions, and forming their opinion that you are not saved. God does tell us that the saved can be judged by their actions. \n\nPeople who are truly saved do not want to practice sin anymore. But, that does not mean that we do not sin. I was saved 13 years ago, and if anyone would have judged me by my actions, they would have probably said that I was not saved, but I was. That is why ONLY God can judge our hearts. \n\nI do much better now, but it took me a very long time to deal with some of the major sin in my life and to learn to let it go. \n\nYou are absolutely right. Sin is sin. So, don't let other Christians get you down. If they judge you, don't allow it to make you feel bad. Just remember that you belong to Jesus, and that they sin EVERYDAY too. Although I am doing better now, I still sin a lot. The difference now is that I am a little more mature, and I do ask forgiveness immediately after a sin. It helps me to try harder not to do it again. And, I am holding myself accountable for what I do. \n\nSome people who claim to be Christians are NOT. And those who are constantly judging other Christians may be doing it to cover up their own sin. But you must not judge them, just pray for them. \n\nIf you are saved, you can NOT go to hell. Your sins cannot keep you from God, once saved always saved! You won't go to hell for sinning, unless the sin you commit is rebuking the Holy Spirit. Some people get all excited about getting saved, but nothing happens afterward, and then they forget all about God--then they were not truly saved. But those who are saved will continue to grow in Christ, even if it takes 13 years to grow just an inch.
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Chaos theory dictates that if the whole world was christian, then a new religion would emerge.  being christian is believing that the "phone game" about god has been true for over 6000 years.  Silly if you ask me.  It is a simple concept that is learned in American Kindergarten.  The phone game lies in as little as 30 seconds... well there are a lot of seconds in 6000 years, and you treat the bible as historical fact?  Who is the non-believer now?
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You will know them by their fruit.\nonly experiencing God's salvation makes you a true Christian. of course, we can't see into man's heart, so we just have to take people at their word and the way they live their life. But remember, it's not our place to judge.
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LoL! It's all garbage. Nobody is 'saved' from anything. This stuff is total hocus-pocus nonsense. \n\nI was indoctrinated into christian beliefs as a child, but once I reached the age of reason I rejected all the nonsensical supernatural claims such as god, jesus, the afterlife, sin, the soul, spirits, demons, ect. \n\nWake up and join 2006.
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I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY ARE THE TRUE CHURCH AND THEY DO HAVE POSSESSIONS. THEY DO NOT GIVE BLOOD AND DON'T VOTE, BUT THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS SUCH AS WELFARE, UNEMPLOYMENT, HOUSING ETC...  I HAVE FRIENDS THAT BELONG AND I HAVE BEEN TO THE HALL, BUT IT IS NOT FOR ME!
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Well, this isn't the first time something like this has happened and it won't be the last.  \n\nI agree he is better known than people on here seem to realize.  I think this is far more deliberate than some think.\nHowever, none of the men you mention are my pastor, so none of them speak much to my perspective, and I am certainly not under their spiritual authority. \nDo I have similar values?  Yes.  Is the fall of any of these men going to affect my voting or worldview? No.\n\nNew Life Church is just that, a church not a denomination. Their membership rolls are about 14k.  \n\nYikes!  They've even made Wiki!!!  LOL  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Church\n\nYour question is legitimate.  I don't agree with your conclusion. ; )\n\n(And why are you posting questions I feel obliged to answer? LOL)
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I think the term is indeed applied to liberally. It seems that everyone is a "good Christian" if they attend church. I find this extremely funny, as most of those "good Christians" in church, live anything but a Christian life the other 6 days of the week.
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True. You have a lot more common sense than most "Christians."  I do acknowledge God and sure enough, there are a lot of preachers who teach that their sanctuary is a holy place.  Rubbish!\n\nI am the church.  God lives in me, not in some building.  The body of Christ is composed of people, not religious institutions or pointy-topped architechture.\n\nCongratulations on your insight.  If I relied upon the information that preachers provided, I'd probably be an atheist too.  For example:\n\nHow is a person saved?  Can you be un-saved?  What would cause you to lose your salvation?  If you were to lose your salvation, could you ever be saved again?  Do you have any choice concerning your salvation (i.e., did God choose to love and save some and choose to hate and damn others?) If you are saved, will you speak in tongues?  \n\nPreachers teach pro and con on every aspect of religion listed above.  This is just the basic concept of Christianity and they cannot figure out numero uno - salvation.\n\nThe worst place for anyone to be is in a "church."  If you have any hope of redemption, it resides within your own willingness to seek out, learn and discover truth, apart from all of the religious false teachers.\n\nAbraham's belief was counted unto him as righteousness.\n\nYours is too.\n\nJohnny
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JESUS SAVES.\n\nHe clips coupons religiously.
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Here's a ton I found earlier, quite randomly: \nhttp://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_christian.html\n\nIt's ironic you ask! :)
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Of course not. The Republicans bank on these types of people to gain votes primarily, they don't care if your starving. I am sure 9 months ago you watched the outcome of Hurricane Katrina and the Gulf Coasts treatment by these people. The Red Cross(Catholics) showed up, but no Bible belt. HUH!!! Christan's HUH!!!
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Yes!\n  Many say it to try and show others they are good people but they are relly not.They just act out being a christian.When the rapture of His(God's) church comes every one left behind will have been a fake.If they begin to actually believe they will have to  make it through the seven year tribulation to live forever with Jesus and His church.
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I'm not "saved".  I don't subscribe to religious dogma. But...I do believe in intelligent design.  I do support people who choose to embrace a faith, but there is so much ridiculous infighting over dogma in Christianity that I cannot stomach it enough to hang out with you guys...but like I said, I support AND respect you and your BASIC beliefs.\n\nMy grandfather used to give dissertations years ago about the numerous holes in the THEORY of evolution and the desperation (back then) on the part of science (anthropologists, elitist collegiate circles, etc) to push the theory into the main stream.  \n\nNow you have TONS of people in the mainstream who find comfort in feeling free of having to worry about accountability to a moral code and don't want to be bothered by the idea of embracing faith, and especially don't want to be bothered with any kind of associated moral code, so they've adopted the theory of Evolution and formed a giant clique that frequently bashes Christianity for being "fictional". I believe the THEORY is a GREAT excuse for the masses to rid themselves of moral accountability.  In other words, no creator, no pesky guidelines to follow.\n\nIts simple math, get rid of "God" by berating him as fiction (the most unoriginal comparison of late is to put God on the same level as Santa Claus, for instance) and you don't have to worry about following the guidelines associated with that, clearing the way for a absolute hedonism. \n\nCouple that with the fact that religion is getting a bad name for various hypocrisies of late and suddenly you have a BUNCH of smug little elitists clogging up colleges and licking their lips for a chance to answer a quesion like this one, just so they can break out their borrowed philosophy on people like you (...and technically me) as if being attacked by that citations with the word "logic" loosely cobbled to them is going to change the mind or heart of someone who actually "gets it" and has some level of faith.\n\nYour point about the random odds of life occuring is extremely sound as well as the GIGANTIC hole in terms of how and why the sexes evolved, although there are some relatively interesting explanations based on "retrofit" assumptions, and to that end, you will get a slew of those following my answer.\n\nThe worst part about it is the arrogance of the people who purport the THEORY like it's a fact, looking down their psuedo intellectual noses at  people who choose to have faith in something other than mass acceptance of "monkey science" fiction.\n\nPsuedo-intellectual snobbery follows this answer - guaranteed.\n\nUPDATE - whew...yep, you attracted some monkey loving trolls, moth to flame on this question...check the bottom three...WOW, totally unbalanced close minded elitist God haters.\n\nEMILYROSE - nice demonic name choice by the way - perfect example of the elitist collegiate set bent on snobbery toward people who choose to have faith.  Why I feel I the need to defend them is MY choice, but stuffing this question full of your grandiloquent parroting full of polysyllabic science fiction is just the type of typical response I see from the jejune masses who overpay institutions desperate to eliminate spirituality.\n\nSo, what the hell, Im all for fighting fire with fire. I enter this information here, copied from the website and encourage all who do not believe in evolution to follow the link or take this to people who "struggle" with the temptation to fit in with the arrogance of the evolunist legion that will mock them for their beliefs...try this on:\n\nScience Itself Refutes Darwinism \n\n• "From goo to you by way of the zoo." - Frank Peretti6\n\n• According to the theory of evolution, at some time in the distant past there was no life in the universe -- just elements and chemical compounds. Somehow, these chemicals combined and came to life.\n\n• However
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no they are denominations of chirstianity
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This is a hard one because there are so many whacked out denominations out there, for example the Jim Jones and the People's Temple killed at least 921 people some were killed with spiked kool-aid and some with guns, many were Jim Jones own followers and many were kids. But for the most part anyone who says you must follow the Bible and this other book to be saved, or you must follow Jesus, and this other person to be saved are not really Christians, even though they claim to be.
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Yes, "While Mennonites hold tightly to the belief that we are saved through God's powerful gift of grace, we don't subscribe to the "eternal security," or "once saved, always saved" theology. And though we believe that we are ultimately saved by God's grace, and not through any action or merit of our own, we also believe that maintaining a right relationship with Christ means that we are to follow in his footsteps and live a life that follows his example. Each member of the church has free will and can separate themselves from the body of Christ and live a sinful life, even if they once were bound to Christ. If that happens, the church will continue to pray for them and seek to restore them to fellowship, but the individual may still choose to forfeit his/her right to salvation."\n\nWhile I don't know precisely what Biblical verses they use to support their view, I would suspect they're most of the usual ones.  That is, Romans 11:22; Galatians 5:4; 1 Corinthians 15:1–2; 2 Pet. 2:20; Matt. 7:21, 10:33, 18:35; and Rev 22:19.