I am doing a debate project on abortion. Can anyonegive me reason against  argument that people make mistakes?
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People make mistakes all the time.  It's not the end of the world to make mistakes, and mistakes don't define who we are.\n\nIt's what we do after we make a mistake that defines us.\n\nIf you are in an accident because you were speeding (not intending to put anyone in danger, just having fun) and you hurt someone else in the process, would it be okay to say, "Well, I did it, but it's just too bad for the other person involved.  Dealing with this is inconvenient to me and I'm not going to do it."\n\nEven if that were legal, it wouldn't be a good way of dealing with it.  It's irresponsible and insensitive to the other person.\n\nConsider the same situation where the driver instead says, "Wow, I didn't mean to do this and I'm sorrowful over it.  But it's my mistake and I take full responsibility for it." and that person either cares for the injured party (raises the baby) or makes sure that the person gets the care they need (puts the baby up for adoption).\n\nWhich person would you rather be?  Which person would you rather deal with in a crisis?\n\nMistakes are not fatal.  How we deal with mistakes both builds and reveals our characters.
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Two unrelated issues.\n\nOne, should people have abortions. That's entirely dependent on your personal religious/moral beliefs, and what you think is right/wrong or proper/improper based on way too many specific circumstances (married/unmarried, adult/teen, possible rape/incest, how late in the term, etc.) The bottom line is that many people have very passionate ideas about whether it is right/appropriate or not.\n\nThe second issue is who gets to make those choices. I think it's a great thing that people are allowed to have thoughts and beliefs on the subject. I think it's wrong for any group to enforce their moral/religious opinions/beliefs on someone else. Just because 51% percent of the population may happen to believe something is a sin is no reason to force that religious belief on the other 49% who disagree.\n\nPersonally, I'm opposed to abortion except in certain limited circumstances. But that's my own personal belief system, and I'll do everything in my power to ensure that someone who disagrees with me is still allowed to make their own choice, based on what they belief.
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Don't worry about what answerman had to say.  I think you feeling so adamant about "pro-choice" is admirable and I respect that.   Have you checked with any close by "abortion clinics" if there are any?  If not, search the interent for "pro-choice" abortions.  I'm sure there is someone out theree that can help you.  Good luck to you and God Bless!  By the way, I'm definitely Pro-choice" cause I've been there and done that!  Hope you find what you need.
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You could take that question and apply it to a hundred different circumstances.\n"Why didn't my parents..."\n"Why didn't the police..."\n"Why didn't my boyfriend.." etc etc\n\nSeems like a lot of people do not want to take responsibility for their own actions. "Why did God let me get pregnant" Too many people want to be free of any restraints that hinder "their rights" \nUnfortunately we have forgotten the old saying "What a person sows they will reap"\nGosh maybe Jesus had it right after all
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You are clearly not looking for answers. You are simply trying to troll the message board trying to find support for your own viewpoint. Look at your question. It is not a question. It is an opinion. what makes you think your opinion is more valuable than somebody else's?\n\nIf you stick with science, then no a fertilized egg is not a human being. After 8 weeks the fertilized egg has grown into a fetus and at that point it has all the required organs. So your religion tells you its a baby and you make a law barring everyone else from having the freedom. What if someone from a different religion believes it is ok to have abortion? Won't you be imposing your religious beliefs on that person?\n\nAnd if you want to talk of life, why does life begin at conception? The individual cells, sperm and oum, are already alive. every cell in your body is alive. So how do you deal with that fact? If you use contraceptives you are killing those cells. Isn't that murder?
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Okay, I'm tempted to offer to put you out of your misery.\n\nThis is a big topic and you have to find a meaningful focus. Do you want to talk about the ethical debate? Do you want to discuss the legal issues? \n\nHere's one idea, since it's civics: Look at the one country where euthanasia is legal, Holland, and talk about whether the law there would be a good or bad model for the United States to follow. Is the enactment of such a law desirable? Would it be workable in the climate of the US given the polarization over the abortion issue? Is this something that could be enacted nationally or only statewide, as the mercy-killing law in Oregon. \n\nI've cited a few websites below that could be useful starting points, but you problem need to delve into hard-copy stuff, journals and books.\n\nHope this idea is helpful. Better get going.
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This whole "That's your belief and that's fine but you have no right to force your beliefs on someone else" is such a crock.  \n\nIt's as if we're talking about whether it's ok to step on ants or not.  The belief that abortion is ok forces that opinion on the unborn child with the ultimate finality, doesn't it?  I mean it effectively destroys their life so that the mother can go on with hers.  Why?  \n\n  Because everyone makes mistakes...  \n        So it's acceptable to make someone else pay for \n        your mistake.\n\n  Because sometimes the woman is a victim of a violent\n  crime.  Should she have to carry the constant reminder\n   of the crime with her?\n         Again, we are making someone else pay for the \n          crime but I can have compassion on the woman\n          and understand this argument.\n\n  Because the baby is diseased:\n         First of all, medicine is not 100 % accurate.  If it\n         were we wouldn't have malpractice suits.  My \n         wife was advised to abort her son because the \n         doctors said that he would be born retarded due to\n         all of the medications she was on.  He is a healthy\n         normal, productive 21 year old man of whom I am\n         quite proud.  Doctor's are not gods.  They don't\n          know they are only guessing.  But hey, let's make\n         the baby pay for the doctor's mistake, right?\n\n          But let's assume the doctor is right.  Now we're \n          talking about quality of life.  How arrogant people\n          are to think that they are smart enough to decide \n          that "this life is worth something but not this other\n          one because 'I' think it's defective."  Ok then, let's\n          round up all of those with Dowsn syndrome and \n          just put them out of their misery... or is it ours?\n          Then, right after them we'll round up all of the old\n          and infirmed and get rid of them too because they\n          don't really serve any real purpose.  Let's start\n          with Steve Hawkings the astrophycisist....        \n          his life was pretty worthless.\n\n          "But don't shoot me or take my life because I'm \n           worth something."   Quality of life???  Please.\n           Someone saying, "In my opinion no one could\n           convince me that living a life crippled and in \n           pain is not better than no life at all" is all well and\n           good except he/she isn't talking about their life,\n           are they?  Their forcing their opinon on someone\n          else.   \n  \n    The child will grow up unwanted, unloved and will live a\n          horrible life:\n          See above arrogance...  Now, not only do we \n          know what is the best quality of life we can also \n          predict the future!!!!   Yeah!!!!!   I wonder what\n          Abraham Maslow would have said about that.  \n          (If you don't know who he is google him - and \n            know that he was born unwated, unloved and \n            abused.)\n\n"But... don't force your opinions on me...  Just sit idly by while we kill millions of babies who's only crime was being conceived by someone who were more concerned about their own needs."   \n\nI'll stop forcing my opinions on you when you stop forcing your opinions on those who are the most helpless and unable to defend themselves.
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yeah its bad to abort a foetus but its not bad to ciritsise others and make quick judgmenents based on sterotypes?? ive seen it all happen before because im gay, and find i am quickly judged. I love Jesus, and I know he loves me for who I am. Im not a bad person, I take care of my disabled brother and am working in the commmunity.\n\nIm not in support of abortion, id personaly rather adoption. but if its in the first trimester (or a RAPE victim!!!!) i can agree to some extent. each case is different cant be all catagorised in the one.
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I think you're on the right track here in pointing out the hypocrisy of the "personal freedom" argument that baby killers use. How is killing an unborn child in support of the CHILD'S freedom? They always come back with "but it's not a child, it's a clump of cells". That's all they have, but I think they do know better in their hearts. They're just in denial, which is really sad.\n\nBTW, it is also not hypocrisy to be anti-abortion but pro-death penalty. Those folks who believe this are making the distinction between the taking of innocent life vs. taking the life of a person guilty of the heinous crime of murder. However, I personally do not support the death penalty either in ANY case. All people were put on earth for a reason and it should be left up to God to work his magic in their lives and help them come to see why their actions were wrong and change their hearts. They should be put in jail for life simply to protect the public from them in case they never change.\n\nEuthanasia is wrong as well. Those who are not inside a person's head to know for sure what they are thinking and what their wishes are should not make a decision to actively or passively take a person's life. Who are they to make the judgment that this person's life is no longer worth living?\n\nAnyway, I like that you are standing up for what you believe in. It's important that we all do that, no matter how persecuted we are by those who would silence us.
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I find that abortion tends to be more of a "situational ethic".  People decide the question based on personal convenience, their own questionable moral standards, and political persuasion than on the merits of the actual problem.\nThe person who can make the decision, decides that their own lives would be compromised in some fashion, and in a unilateral decision, that the other party involved in it cannot change..(The baby) ends up the victim of their selfishness.\nOf course there are always the difficult cases of rape, or abuse, that are brought up...and while these are tragic...there ends up two victims.  The baby who is terminated for having the temerity to show up, and the mother who is traumatized.  \nWhile the latter are unfortunate, and decisions regarding them are difficult at best...the former is simply a decision that should have been made, prior to a person deciding the fate of an innocent life.  \nWe have made life cheap.  It's easy to erase mistakes in our judgement, and we are validated in this by the erroneous attitudes of others.
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personally a person that has more than one abortion is stupid. using abortion as a method of birth control is very risky.
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One of the worlds' great mysteries.\n\nAs one of the people above me said....They support someones right...even if it's a mistake.   Well if it's a mistake...Why the hell do you support it?!  But yet, smoking is a mistake, and you do everything in your power to stop smokers.  Damned Hypocrites!\n\nHere's a question...if an unborn baby is a female... aren't you taking away her right to choose?\n\nHey, death penalty opponents...think of the death penalty as a 'late term abortion' ....\n\nI don't get it...kill the ones who have not sinned, and save all the sinners.  Nice.....
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The statement (which you refer to as a claim) is flawed for the reasons you gave. Your rebuttal was excellently worded, and was logical. But, there is a major flaw with your rebuttal : the people who make the claim are not logical people. The only people who can understand your rebuttal are logical. You will spend your energy preaching to the choir, because the people who make the original claim will not stay and listen to you. It was really nice to read a well-stated post.
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FYI - the information given to you by facts74 is also biased. \n\nAll her websites are PRO-LIFE, which means none of them will give you healthy information about abortions if you are going to choose that path.
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There was a time when I was pro choice.  I gave my niece money for an abortion and, to this day, I cannot forgive myself.  I really thought that I was a liberal with regard to abortion until I became a part of it.  I hope that I can be forgiven for what I have done.
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hey!!! my frend evie just had the greatest idea! u could rite about abortion. It's a great topic that many people dislike. hope this helps!
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Good Afternoon!\n \nMorals are objective, and subjective.  That is, genocide is always wrong.  Rape?  Wrong.  This morally so.  But person's intention has to be taken into account.  Take for existence a man putting a knife into another man's heart, and the second man dies.  Was the first man action morally wrong?  If his intention was to kill or harm the other man, yes, his action is morally wrong.  It is never right to intend harm on another.  But maybe he was surgurn performing emergency surgery on a patient, and the patient died despite the doctor's attempt to keep him alive.  So his action is not wrong, becuase the intention to save a life.\n\nThat is there a many actions that are morally wrong.  When Deciding if the person is cupable fo a wrong act one most consider three things: 1 whether the person knows the act is wrong.  2 whether the person has considered what they are doing and 3 whether or not they choose to do it freely, with out coersion.  \n\nThere are morally wrong and right acts.  If someone steals from you something they do not need, you will know that is wrong, no matter where you are.  But the act must be veiwed with the intention included.  Maybe it was someone who did not the object was yours, and thinking it belonged to some one they knew, would borrow and return it.  However, in this case it is not stealing, and is simply a mistake. \n\nLastly, one can never choose a moral wrong intentionally for the sake of another good.  That is always wrong, no matter what the more distant intention is, becuase the immediate intention is wrong.\n\nPeace be with you.\n\nsorry about typographical errors, I'm in a hurry.