If suicide is a sin and Jesus willingly followed God's plan to be tortured and killed...?
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Christians will argue that it was not suicide but rather him giving himself to "save" you. trust me There are better augments against Christianity especially if you use their own texts against them.\n\nhear is a small sample\n1) The Gospels teach that Jesus appeared to the disciples after his resurrection. We are unclear, however, whether those appearances took place in Jerusalem or in the Galilee (or at both locales). According to our reading, the Galilean accounts seem to rule out prior Jerusalem appearances. Where did Jesus actually appear? If he appeared in Jerusalem, how should we read the Galilean accounts?\n\n(2) We find the genealogy of Jesus provided by the Gospels confusing. Who was Jesus’ paternal grandfather? (We notice that Matthew says that his grandfather was Jacob, but Luke says it was Heli). Also, we notice that Matthew declares that Jesus was separated from King David by only twenty-eight generations, but Luke’s list shows a forty-three generation separation. What does this contradiction mean?\n\n(3) The genealogical line linking Jesus and King David seems to pass through Jesus’ father. But since Jesus was the product of a virgin conception, then he does not share in his father’s Davidic ancestry. How is Jesus a descendent of David?
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No. Not because of the act itself. There is no sin that cannot be forgiven, except the rejection of Christ as your Savior. While suicide is a terrible/tragic thing, it is not unforgivable.\n\nNote: I see that there are many responses that indicate a person would "automatically" go to hell for this sin. I disagree with that. We are not saved by our actions. We are saved by grace through faith. Is God's grace nullified when we sin? No. While repentance is very important, it is NOT a means of grace. We do not "earn" forgiveness via our repentance. I'm sure that many, many Christian will die with some sin they never had a chance to repent of...that does not nullify the grace of God. \n\nAll that being said, life is a gift from God! We should use the days that He has given us wisely.
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I'd say, "Thank you, Lord, for sending Jesus to die on the cross to pay the penalty for my sin.  I give myself to you forever."
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You've got it mixed up. This is the actual scripture:\n\nFor God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.\n\nNowhere does it say God killed Jesus.\n\nGod gave his Son to the people to show His eternal Love for us. \n\nThe misguided people killed Jesus.
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God does not what you to be damned so he sent Jesus!\n\nWhen you reject him and basically say screw you GOD go away, he does what you ask. \n\nOnce you are dead and do not have GOD stopping you from over comsuming on sin, you will continue to be tortured by not being able to control yourself. Kinda like drug users who destroy there lives for drugs!\n\nBut if god made you a robot so you had no choice to choose or reject him, you would be mad as well, I will post a question called GOd and hell, so you can reply there!\n\n\npart 2\nIt is hard to understand how serious sin is to GOD!  It is hard for me to understand that as simple as GOD's plan for redemption is, people reject it! It is not like GOD set it up so you had to do all these things to work for forgiveness. IF GOD would have required me to do things I could not, then punished me for not being able to do it, I would agree with you. since GOD made it as easy as believing he did all the work and just wants me to believe he did! It is as simple as believing in GOD! \n\n\nI also know GOD characteristics of Love, Mercy, Justice!\n\nIs GOD a sadistic Creator for giving free will? \nIs man sadistic for choosing to be separated from GOD?\nJustice requires consequence for choice!\n\nI rest that when it is done we will agree that GOD acted fairly in Love, Mercy, and Justice.\n\n\nI will check my question for more replies! GOOD Question though!
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Some will call this a contradiction.  It is not.\nJesus says that God forgives all sins, but one (though I believe it is two).  The one Jesus references is to sin against the Holy Spirit, which is God.  I also believe suicide is unforgivable, as you are murdering and cannot ask forgiveness for it.\n\nPeter says that through Christ, you can be forgiven things that Moses' law could not forgive.  Tell me where Moses' law talks about sinning against the Holy Spirit.  It does not.\n\nClear?  You have to read the words...not the footnotes or interpretations.
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Not Sure\n\nFirst 12 Appointed Apostle will rule of Israel in Rev.  Jesus Christ Appointed = Judas was one of them\n\n2nd  In the bible suicide does not mean you will go to Hell, it only says you MAY  = May can mean May Not\n\n******\nJudas did repent, He did take the money back, but had guilt, how many people doyou know today that  are eat up with guilt?\n\n3rd  Someone had to betray Jesus, Do you think this was a example Jesus set on us, we are all sinner and weak, even if we do live for God and do our best ( we still sin), we are human also?
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well the answer to that question is both... satan will use mental instability to murder or cause another sin..... \nGod bless
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It doesn't\n\nSuicides—A Resurrection?\n\nTHE tragic news of a suicide does not close a chapter in the lives of relatives and friends; it opens one—a chapter of mixed feelings of pity and anger, sorrow and guilt. And it raises the question: May we entertain any hope for our friend who took his or her life?\n\nAlthough self-inflicted death is never justified, never righteous, the apostle Paul did hold out a beautiful hope for even some unrighteous ones. As he told a Roman court of law: “I have hope toward God . . . that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”—Acts 24:15. \nMany theologians have long dismissed any suggestion that the resurrection of the unrighteous might offer hope for those who commit suicide. Why?\n\nCenturies ago, churchmen introduced a non-Biblical concept: immortal souls that leave the body at death and go straight to heaven, purgatory, Limbo, or hell. That concept clashed with the Bible’s clear teaching of a future resurrection. As Baptist minister Charles Andrews asked: “If the soul is already blissfully in heaven (or is already justifiably roasting in hell), what need is there for anything further?” He added: “This inner contradiction has remained to plague Christians throughout the centuries.”\n\nOne result of such errant theology was that “since Augustine’s time [354-430 C.E.], the church has condemned suicide as a sin,” says Arthur Droge in the Bible Review, “a sin beyond redemption, just like apostasy and adultery.”\n\nJesus told a criminal sentenced to death: “You will be with me in Paradise.” The man was unrighteous—a lawbreaker rather than a distraught suicide victim—guilty by his own frank admission. (Luke 23:39-43) He had no hope of going to heaven to rule with Jesus. So the Paradise in which this thief could hope to come back to life would be the beautiful earth under the rule of Jehovah God’s Kingdom.—Matthew 6:9, 10; Revelation 21:1-4.\n\nFor what purpose will God awaken this criminal? So that He mercilessly can hold his past sins against him? Hardly, for Romans 6:7, 23 says: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin,” and “the wages sin pays is death.” Although his past sins will not be accounted to him, he will still need the ransom to lift him to perfection.\n\nOnly God can fully understand the role of mental sickness, extreme stress, even genetic defects, in a “suicidal crisis,” which, the National Observer noted, “is not a lifetime characteristic [but] often a matter only of minutes or of hours.”\nGranted, one who takes his own life deprives himself of the opportunity to repent of his self-murder. But who can say whether one driven to suicide might have had a change of heart had his fatal attempt failed? Some notorious murderers have, in fact, changed and earned God’s forgiveness during their lifetime.\nThus, Jehovah, having paid “a ransom in exchange for many,” His Son, is within his right to extend mercy, even to some self-murderers, by resurrecting them and giving them the precious opportunity to “repent and turn to God by doing works that befit repentance.”\n\nThe Scriptures encourage us to see ourselves, not as immortal souls, but as valuable creations of the God who loves us, who treasures our being alive, and who looks forward with joy to the time of the resurrection.\n\n4000 years had passed from Adam & Eve, Jesus said to a Religious Leader that no one had gone to Heaven, and millions of people had passed away in death. This is a quote from the King James Bible: \n\nJohn 3:13 " And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven," \n\nIt seems to me, this would eliminate the "immortal soul" belief, not only that, if you go to Heaven or Hell when you die, you completely do away with the resurrection that the Bible speaks about, because the resurrection is suppose to take place after Jesus comes the second time, and that has
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Christ's sacrifice covers past, present, and future sins. So, all sins are covered.(not sure about suicide since it shows a complete lack of trust in the Lord and only believers are saved)  The Blood of Christ is so powerful that He only had to shed it once in order to reconcile mankind to God.  And when He clothes you with righteousness, your sins are still covered though we should try to confess each and every sin we commit.  \n\nBut, as for myself, I can't remember them all.  So, I remember that since we don't know how to pray as we ought, the Holy Spirit intercedes for us.  So, I just tell God that I have sinned pretty much all day long, either in thought or action, and that I can't remember them all, but He can, so will He forgive me.  Because I know that even though I don't pray properly as none of us can, the Holy Spirit will tell God in the proper way what needs to be said.(Romans 8:26)  \n\nAlso, if we are true followers of Christ, meaning that we are in Him and He in us, then we need not worry if we don't have time to confess some great sin right before we are killed.  Because there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ. (John 5:24,  Romans 8:1)  \n\nAlso, remember all the people that went to Jesus to be healed?  Most of them confessed no sin at all, but Jesus said to them, "Your sins are forgiven you."  The adulterous woman that was about to be stoned to death never confessed her sin, even though she was caught in the act.  And Jesus told her that he would not condemn her.  Therefore, I believe the answer to your question is:  All of it.
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The people who tortured him and nailed him to a cross were Romans.  The usual punishment for fomenting rebellion was crucifixion.  Ultimately, though, it doesn't matter who killed him.  He died willingly to take away the sins of the world.
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Consider this. If he hadn’t killed himself and had met the resurrected Christ and sincerely asked for forgiveness, Christ would have forgiven him.\n\nKnowing the greed in his heart, Jesus allowed him to play his role in the betrayal, knowing that the Crucifixion must happen. \n\nBut Judas could’ve been forgiven if he had lived and genuinely repented.\n\nInstead he chose suicide.
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NO. Jesus was still man and He of course didn't like pain, but in the end He would WILLINGLY do His Father's will. Jesus could have summoned a league of a 1000 angels and could have gone to heaven right then, but He loved us and wanted us to have a way to get to heaven. Jesus came down to save us, because it was His Father's will.
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Wow, that's probably the most blatant blasphemy I've ever heard. The reason God turned his back on His Son for that brief moment was because Jesus was carrying sins of the world (past, present, and future - yours included!) on Himself, and God cannot be in the presence of sin - it's contrary to His perfect nature. Yes, it's a mystery that I won't understand completely until I get to heaven, but it's also what makes the plan of salvation so beautiful. Jesus was willing to momentarily sacrifice his relationship with His own father so that we could have eternal life. Jesus paid for our sins on the cross, making us perfect in the sight of God if we accept His sacrifice and put our faith in Him. The agony of Jesus's separation from His Father was what prompted Him to cry out "Father, why have you forsaken Me?" Jesus already knew the answer - it was rhetorical.
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Why Did Jesus Have To Suffer And Die?\n \nTwo primary qualities of God help us understand why Jesus Christ had to suffer and die in order to redeem mankind. First, God is righteous. Thus His justice demands that a penalty for sin be paid. As Kenyon writes:\n\nGod cannot ignore the fact of man’s hideous transgression. That transgression must be punished, and if man is restored to God, it must be upon grounds that will not pauperize man nor rob him of his self respect; but it must be upon legal grounds that will perfectly justify man in the sight of God... \n\nSecond, God is love. Thus, in His grace and mercy, He decreed that the penalty for sin could be paid by a substitute, providing that the substitute be sinless. God wanted, and mankind needed, a man who:\n\n...met the demands, first, of the heart of Deity for a perfect human who would do His will; second, He met the demands of fallen man in that as a man He met the Devil and conquered him in honorable open combat. [2]\n\nBecause of the magnitude of Adam’s sin and its reverberating ramifications, only the death penalty would satisfy true justice. Hebrews 9:22 says that “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness [of sin].” In the Old Testament, it was the death of unblemished “stand-in” lambs and other animals that God allowed to temporarily cover His people’s sins (Hebrews 10:1-14). These sacrifices were foreshadows, or types, of the coming Redeemer, Jesus Christ. He is the true “Lamb of God” whose blood was shed to take away the sin of the world (John 1:29).\n\nHebrews 9:14\nHow much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!\n\nAs we have stated, Jesus Christ was the only man who was “without spot or blemish,” both genetically and behaviorally. As such, only He could qualify to offer His life as the payment for the sin and sins of mankind. The suffering and death of Jesus Christ was part of God’s plan to make available salvation to all mankind.\n\nHebrews 9:27-28\n(27) Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,\n(28) So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.\n\nWhat the blood of bulls and goats could do only temporarily for Israel in the Old Testament, the blood of Jesus has done once and for all for everyone who believes in Him. He bore our sins in his own body on the cross (1 Peter 2:24). By His freedom of will He gave up His life for us. He willingly endured the pain of the cross and death for all men. We must understand, however, that it was not God who was responsible for Jesus’ death. Note the following verses:\n\n1 Corinthians 2:7-8\n(7) No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.\n(8) None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.\n\nThe “rulers of this age” are Satan and his evil-spirit sidekicks (the disobedient angels that were cast down to earth with him). God’s Word plainly says that it is the Devil who was responsible for killing Jesus Christ.\n\nOnce the dominion of the world was given to Satan, and mankind was ruined by sin, God has had to ask people to step into harm’s way so that His redemptive purposes could be accomplished. Jesus Christ is the chief example of this, and there are many others (see Hebrews 11). Jesus suffered so that those who believe on Him can one day have peace and joy forever, and a taste of it even in this life. In Jesus, we see the epitome of the redemptive value of suffering, a subject we will discuss later.\n\nHebrews 5:7-9 (Moffatt)\nIn the days of his flesh, with bitter cries and tears, he offered prayers and supplications to Him who
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While Christianity feels all human life is holy and a gift from God, the Christian ethics have no problem with a person risking or giving up his life for the sake of others. This is what Jesus did. This is not considered suicide.\n\nA completely different and more complicated question is whether it is ethical to kill one person to save many. I don't think this would be ethical, "The end does not justify the means."\n\nWith love in Christ.
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Of course.  Christians even commit murder and think if they repent they can go to heaven.