Is the God of the bible and Allah of the Koran really a trinity or is he ONE with a two-fold  in revelation??
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I think there is only one God.  Men have called Him many things; God, Jehovah, Great Spirit, Allah... the list is quite lengthy.  I doubt that He really cares what you call Him, as long as you do call.
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No where. \nThe New Encyclopædia Britannica says: Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord (Deut. 6:4). . . . \nThe doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.\n\nThe New Catholic Encyclopedia states: The formulation "one God in three Persons" was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.\n\n2 It is true that many gods are worshiped in the world. But that does not change the fact that there is only one true God. The other gods are inventions of men or are demons. Only one God created the earth and deserves our worship. The apostle Paul said: We know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many 'gods' and many 'lords, there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him.' 1 Corinthians 8:4-6.(NWT)
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Firstly, Thank you for allowing me to respond to this Question.\n\nsecondly, with reguard to your Question. you may be asking because you are in doubt. which is completely normal. \n\nbecause if you go to anyone and ask them to explain to you the trinity, they will not be able to give you an adequete answer.\n\nNever once did Jesus (peace be upon him) claim to be God. If you look into the bible, if you have a red lettered one that highlights supposedly what Jesus has said, than never once will you find that he told his people to worship him. On the contrary, he said "Worship Thy Father Alone" i.e. worship God Alone.\n\nThird of All, In Islam we believe in Jesus as a highly respected Prophet of Allah (God). just like Moses, Adam, Abraham, Noah, etc. \n\nThey All came with the same message : To worship the creator Alone. \n\nIndeed, it is very blasphemous to say that Jesus Is God.\n#1. Jesus was A human, and everyone will agree upon that. meaning he ate, slept, used the bathroom, etc. Things that Muslims Believe are not attributes fit for the Lord of the Universe, because he is free of all needs.\n\n#2. The Christians believed that Jesus died on the Cross. How can God Die? if that were the case, than how can it be that he would be on the cross saying "Why have you forsaken me" to the one who is in heaven, if they were one in the same. and how is it that He knew he would die, but didnt know at the same time?\n\nand if he died for 3 days, who was God during those 3 days? \n\nnothing makes sense. \n\nbut everything in Islam Makes sense. wouldnt it be more logical that he were a Righteous Prophet of God, rather than God himself?\n\nIf you believe\n1. that there is no object worthy of worship but Allah (God)\n2. you believe in the angles\n3. Heaven and hell\n4. The Books that came before (the Old testament, Gospels, Quran)\n5. you believe in the all the Prophets of God starting from Adam, including Moses, Jesus, Abraham, Noah, and Muhammad peace be upon all of them)\nand finally\n6. Divine decree.\n\nthan welcome to Islam.\n\nFinally, if you do not wish to listen to anything i've said, at least do one thing which you have nothing to lose.\n\nSeek guidance from God himself to guide you on the strait path, and see where it leads you.\n\nI Swear by Allah, that if you Sincerely and whole-heartedly ask Him for Guidance to the truth. He will lead you to it.\n\nyou have nothing you lose.\n\nI ask God to guide you all to the truth. ameen.
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Yes, lots of people do. I was brought up to believe that Jesus was the son of God and that God himself was a different person, not a trinity. I'm not religious now, but when you've had the same thing told to you since you were a small child it's difficult to unbelieve.
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There is one God who manifests himself in three persons/personas/manifestations (referred to as YHWH or Yahweh in the Bible).\n\nYHWH rules in heaven.\n\nFor an explanation (and defense) of the doctrine of the Trinity, see \nhttp://www.godsci.org/gs/sect/doc/trinity.html\n\nCordially,\nJohn\nhttp://www.GodSci.org\n[God and Science]
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yes , who believes that Jesus was a son of god is a disbeliever in Islam , \nas there's a very clear verse which say: \n\n[112:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful \n\n[112:1] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD. \n\n[112:2] "The Absolute GOD. \n\n[112:3] "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. \n\n[112:4] "None equals Him." \n\nSura - 112 Absoluteness (Al-Ikhlaas)\nOrder Of Revelation 22, Verses: 4\n Hope that helps.
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Muslims (and Islam) say Jesus was a prophet but they reject all His teachings ....that is hypocrisy.\n\nThey reject Christ's divinity;\nthey reject his claim to be the Son of God;\nthey reject his death on the cross...\nthey reject His ressurrection..\nThey reject Jesus is the Christ/ Messiah...\nNeed I say more...?\n\nDon't be deceived. The Islamic god is totally different than the God of Jesus Christ .\n\n"Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ?  He is anti-Christ, that denies the Father and the Son. He that denies the Son, the same has not the Father." (I John 2:22)
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"Say, ‘He is Allah, The One and Only; Allah, The Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not Nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him.’’’\n[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]\n\nNOTE that 'Nor is He begotten'... So Allah has no Mother... Anyone have faith on this is not Muslim..
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE "TRINITY"\n\n1st of all Jesus said: He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.—Joh 6:56, 57.\n\nJesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. (Ge 6:2, 4; Job 1:6) However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,\n\nJesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] . . . gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;\n\nDoes the Bible teach that all who are said to be part of the Trinity are eternal, none having a beginning?\n\nRev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him .  Why did God have to give Jesus the revelation, if Jesus is God?\n\nDoes the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty? Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)\n\nJohn 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”\n\n1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven. \n\nA person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.\n\nI COULD GO ON & ON WITH SCRIPTURES & EXPLANATIONS, BUT I THINK THIS ALREADY TO LONG FOR SOME PEOPLE.
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Yes, but not a trinity of God as 3 persons. He is manifested to man in 3 ways...or offices/ministries...but God is one and the same person.\n\nISAIAH 45:21\nTell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.\n\nTo say that He is more than one person, is paganism.\nThe Doctrine of the Trinity is a Roman Catholic doctrine from the Council of Nicea, 325 A.D.\n\nGod is a Spirit. As a Spirit He has no physical form to show Himself to us. The Bible says that Jesus was God, as a man...the express image of God.\nJesus said He and the Father are the same person.\n\nJOHN 14:7-9\n7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.\n8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. \n9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? \n\nMany Trinitarians say that when God said, "Let us make man in our own image", that it denotes God speaking to the two other persons in the Godhead. But there is no Scriptures that say He is 3 persons. He was speaking to us. We were in Him, before the foundation of the world.\n\nWE ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS HAVING A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE, WE ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS HAVING A HUMAN EXPERIENCE\n\nHe is FATHER, above us.\nHe is SON, with us.\nHe is HOLY SPIRIT, in us.\n\nOne God, 3 manifestations.\n\nI AM THE LORD I CHANGE NOT -MALACHI 3:6\nJESUS CHRIST THE SAME YESTERDAY, AND TODAY, AND FOREVER -HEBREWS 13:8\n\nCOLOSSIANS 2:9\nFor in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.\n\nI TIMOTHY 3:16\nAnd without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.\n\nHEBREWS 1:3\nWho being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; \n("RIGHT HAND" symbolizes POWER, this is throughout the Old Testament)\n\nAsk yourself this, can a Spirit bleed?...\nACTS 20:28\nTake heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.\n\nCompare ISAIAH 45:21,22,23 with ROMANS 14:11 and PHILIPPIANS 2:10,11...there is only ONE SAVIOUR!\n\nEPHESIANS 4:5,6\n5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, \n6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. \n\nLORD (Father) - JESUS (Son) - CHRIST (Holy Ghost)\n\nTo learn more go here...\nhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bibletruth...\nThen click on DOCTRINES OF DEVILS\nThen click on THE TRINITY\n\nYou can also go here...\nThe Trinity - Christian Or Pagan?\nhttp://www.bridemessage.org/thustrin.htm...\n\nMay God bless you, as you seek His' Truth.
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Sorry for butting in here I know the question was directed at Christians, I am not a religious person of any description, but just out of interest I have been reading the replies from the 'Christians'! Although I am not a Christian that doesn't mean that I know nothing about what being a Christian means! And most of the answers you have picked up here are complete rubbish.\nSo don't base your final assessment on the replies you have here .\nFirstly Allah is the title given to God by Muslims, they believe there is only one God.\nGod is the title applied by Christians they also believe there is only one God.\nJesus is believed in by Muslims as a great prophet, but not as the Son of God.\nJesus is believed in as God (as part of their Holy Trinity bit)by the Christians.\nAnd if any Christian has answered this question of yours differently then they are NOT Christians.\nBut deep down I think you know all this don't you? what are you up to??
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I had to study before I attempted to answer this in the right manner.  The Trinity: God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit can be explained in the scriptures.  Trying to PROVE it to an unbeliever is a lesson in futility.\n\nThere's God the Creator; there's Jesus who is also the living Word of god; and the Holy Spirit, the guider of Christians who follow Jesus Christ.\n\nHere's some scriptures for you to study:\nJohn ch. 1:1-34\nRomans chapter 8\nMatthew ch. 3:16\nActs ch. 10:38\nLuke ch. 1:13; and ch.24: 45-49.
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There is no mention of the " Trinity" in the Bible, I hate to admit that so many Christians have been brainwashed into beleiving it is but it is an unscriptural representation of God. If more people would read the good book themselves they wouldn't be so easily fooled. And to all the people that are using  the name Elohim to infer a Trinity, Elohim is a name of God in reference to his role as Creator. I suspectt he concept of the Trinity is an absorbed pagan belief like so many others in modern day Christianity.
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They ask you - WHO IS ALLAH?\n\n\n\nSay: He is Allah, He is One; The Self-Sufficient,\nThe Eternal God; He begets not,\nnor was He begotten;\nThere is none equal to Him.\n\n[The Holy Qur'an, Surah 112:1-4] \n\n\n\nONENESS OF GOD\n\nALLAH is an Arabic word. It is name of the same One and Only, Supreme Being who is\ncalled God in English. He is the same God the Jews and Christians worship.\nGod says in the Holy Quran: “Whatever name you call Him by,\nall His names are beautiful.” [Surah 17:110] \n\n\nMuslims believe in one God, Allah. None has the right to be worshiped but Allah; there is no partner unto Him. He has power over everything. Islam is based on this concept which Allah has expressed in The Qur'an:\n\nHe is Allah, besides whom there is no other God, the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen. Allah is the Most Benficent, the Most Merciful. He is Allah, the King, the Holy, the One, Free from all defects, the Giver of security, the Guardian, the All-Mighty, the Compeller, the Supreme. Exalted be Allah from all that they associate as partner with Him. He is Allah, the Creator, the Originator of all things, the Bestower of forms. His are the most Gracious Names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is the All-Mighty and the Wise One. [The Holy Qur'an, Surah 59:22-24]\n\n\n\nBlessed be He in Whose hand is the sovereignty, and He has power over all things. Who has created life and death, that He may test you which of you is best in conduct; and He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving. [Chapter 67:1-2]\n\n\nThere is no god but He. It is He Who gives life and causes death, your Lord and the Lord of your forefathers. No, but they (unbelievers) divert themselves with doubts. [Chapter 44:8-9]\n\n\nAllah; there is no god but Allah, the Ever Living, the Eternal One. Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. He is the Most Exalted, the Most Great. [The Holy Qur'an, Surah 2:255]\n\n\nTo Him belongs all what is in the heavens and the earth. And those (angels) who are near Him do not disdain to worship Him, nor they ever weary of His service. They glorify Him night and day, tirelessly never intermit. Have they (people) chosen earthly gods who (they think) can restore the dead (to life)? If there had been either in the heavens or the earth other gods than Allah, both (heaven and earth) would have been ruined. So glorified be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, far above what they attribute to Him. He cannot be questioned as to what He does, but they shall be questioned. \n\nHave they chosen other gods besides Him? Say: “Bring forth your proof. This is the Message (the Quran) of those with me, and the Message (the previous Scriptures) of those before me.” But, most of them do not know the truth, and so they turn away. And We did not send any Messenger before you without inspiration to him: “There is no god but I; so worship Me (alone).” And yet they say, “The Compassionate God has begotten offspring.” Exalted is He! No, those (whom they so designate) are only His honoured servants. They do not speak before He speaks, and they only perform His commands. He knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede for none, except for those whom He approves, and they tremble in awe of Him. And if any of them declares: “I am a god beside Him,” We shall requite such a one with Hell. Thus do We requite the wrongdoers. [The Holy Qur'an, Surah 21:19-29]\n \n \n \n\n\n\nhttp://www.convertingtoislam.com/one.html
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The Bible does not contain the word Trinity. However, the Holy Trinity is hinted at repeatedly in both the Old and New Testaments. \n\nThe early Christians prayed and struggled over these hints for a couple of centuries. The concept of the Holy Trinity (three persons in one God) was mainstream Christianity in 325 A.D. at the Council of Nicaea and our belief is expressed in the Nicene Creed from that council:\n\nWe believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. \n\nWe believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father. Through Him, all things were made. For us and our salvation, He came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day, He rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures: He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. \n\nWe believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son, He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. \n\nWith love in Christ.
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Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the second person in the "Holy Trinity". However, the very Bible which is used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for the doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim.\n1. God Is All Knowing.....But Jesus Was Not \n\nWhen speaking of the Day of Judgement, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt. 24:36) But God knows all. His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own admission, did not know when the Day of Judgement would be.\n\n. God Is All-Powerful.....But Jesus Was Not \n\nWhile Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19). Again he said, "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." (John 5:30)\n\n3. God Does Not Have A God.....But Jesus Did Have A God \n\nGod is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was One whom he worshipped and to Whom he prayed when he said, "I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17). He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46). \nIf Jesus were God, then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself, why hast thou forsaken me?". Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's Prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless, not as I will but as thou wilt." (Matt. 26:36). Was Jesus praying to himself? \n\nAccording to the Bible, God is an invisible spirit.... \n\n4. But Jesus Was Flesh And Blood \n\nWhile thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that this could not be done with God when he said: "No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18). "Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape." (John 5:37) He also said in John 4:24: "God is a spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that Jesus was not God. \n\n5. Will Was Distinct From His Own \n\nPerhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not equal, and therefore not one and the same, comes again from the mouth of Jesus himself who said in John 14:28: "My Father is greater than I." When someone referred to him as a good master in Luke 18:19, Jesus responded: "Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." (John 8:42) Jesus gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with God, when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but Thine be done" and in John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." \n\nThe Church recognises the Bible as the primary source of knowledge about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what basis have you come to believe otherwise? \n\nThe belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesu
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the trinity is a polytheistic belief but Christians believe that they are monotheistic because they believe that these three people are three parts of one deity, which is NOT supported by the bible,\n\nthis belief was created by emperor Constantine, who was a pagan but converted to Christianity and wanted every other pagan too also, so he made the church start this dogma, it is not true the father the son and the holy spirit are three different beings, the son and the holy spirit are NOT to be worshiped. \nJesus is the SON and is not God himself. the concept of the Trinity is blasphemous and absurd.