i wanna know the history of goths and punk rockers and how they developed?
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It all started when some poor kid whose hair looked like crap cause he slept late and didn't have time to comb it and only had all black clothes to wear one day shamefully went to school awaiting to be ridiculed.  \n\nA few kids at school saw him and said "whoa dude - looks rebellious - I think I'll try the same thing tomorrow".  The next day a few other kids who weren't good at sports, academics, band, or pretty much anything else did the same thing and it spread to other schools across the world.  \n\nTo continue to be "nonconformist" the starters of the goth movement had to begin sticking crap in their bodies and getting tattos thinking no one else would be stupid enough to try that just to fit in but, alas - they were wrong.\n\nThere you go - now all the kids that think they are rebels and individualists, who aren't good at anything all look like about 20 million other kids who think their rebellious nonconformists who really aren't good at anything either - go figure.\n\nPeople across the world want to belong to something - even if its Al Queda.  Look at the older generation of what used to be called yuppies.  Goth to young people is like some wannabe poser smoking a cigar even though he knows it is the foulist tasting, vialist, most nasty thing he has ever put in his mouth.  \n\n20 years ago no one smoked cigars and the entire industry was all but bankrupt.  Along comes Bill & Monica and now you know the rest of the story.  \n\nToday if eating dog crap was made popular by some "celebrity" - there is a certain type of person who is so desperate to fit in he would be walking around with a pooper scooper.\n\nIf ya gotta look around to see what's considered hot - you can be sure of one thing - it ain't you.
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try here \nhttp://members.tripod.com/~gothicknights/index.html
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Goth is a style of life; in clothing and music and makeup etc. There are, however, a few things that people should know about goths...\n\nGoths:\n*Don't Always Wear Black\n*Don't Worship Satan\n*Are NOT Evil\n*Do Not Want To Kill People\n*Do Not Hate Everybody\n*Are Not Always Depressed\n*Can Be Happy Too\n*Are Usually Nice People\n*Are Normal, Just Like You
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Probably people need to do more research. At the same time, each of those groups DO have goth/satanic leanings in their music/lyrics. I'm sure there's more to them than that, but people often look at the surface rather than digging in.\n\nPersonally I don't really like any of those bands, from what I've heard lyrically it's too obscure/negative. But, on the same token we all come from different backgrounds, have different perspectives, and so yeah you probably won't convince everyone that they're the best, except for yourself and your friends of course ;) :)
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Sorry "Synthia", you are conforming to someone else's views. It might not be mainstream, but the fact you dress like a goth-chick means you are obviously influenced by that social style, thereby confroming to their social style instead of other's.
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I wrote this for a similar question.\n\nWell, Goth is, I guess you could say a subculture somewhat in the way that punk is. The "Goth Rock" scene took off from the Punk Scene the late 70s - early 80s. Goth is associated with specific types of music and dress. A lot of "dark" things influence the Goth culture; horror films, 19th century literature, romanticism is a huge part. Most Goths wear lots of black clothing, makeup for guys and girls, etc. Not all Goths are Atheists as many believe; they have many religious backgrounds, as do Punks. Punk, like I said is also a subculture. It started with the music of "Punk Rock" in the 70s. There are many different types of Punk scenes; they tend to link very closely with the music their scene is related to, in their beliefs, dress, literature, etc. All Punk scenes are really pretty different, though most people think of Street Punks with their Mohawks, boots, and studded leather jackets. No however, people who are not directly associated with Punk or Goth culture lump them together, mainly based on their ignorance of the said culture. I have heard people say..."I am so punk, I buy everything at Hottopic." Well, I highly doubt any true Punk would ever shop at that store. Also, you may have heard the, "If you say you're punk then you aren't." Actually Punks as well as Goths identify them selves as such, they know what they like and believe, and they wish to be associated with this culture.
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go back to the beginning. the first real punk band. the clash. the album is called london calling. they were the first. the punk of today is more neo punk. it is too stupid. punk had an important message in thier songs. it was more than just being rebllious. it was about being a free thinker bout being anti establishment for real reasons and about wantin gto bring about change and awareness not just dressing funny and dissing britney. go retro.
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Punkers are the ones who make the mosh pitts. That is probably what you saw. It is a big group of people pushing and shoveing each other around.\nRockers, sport gear made by the musicians, and spike their hair, dye it black , green, blue .. Crazy things like that. \n\nAnd depending on the music they will jump around and get out of control sometimes.
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And you might want to consider that some goths are christians. All because we are a goth does not mean that we are evil. Plus there are now glitter goths out there. We wear colors..so we are called glitter goths. So which goths are you talking about, the original goths or the glitter goths?
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You can meet some interesting people in the goth scene.  The best way to test the waters is try and go to a local goth club or goth band show.  Check out www.goth.net for places to go.  For many people this is just a stage, but there are those who really live this way, so ignore everyone who says "it's just a phase."  It may be, or it may not be, but no one should make that decision but you.
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There are different kinds of skins. There are Nazi skins, which most people associate with all skinheads and assume they are all racist. There are other kinds, hammerskins (don't know much about them), SHARPs (skin heads against racial prejudice)and a few others I can't remember. The ones I knew were kind of snobby, and I didn't really talk to them. Oh yeah there were also the straight edgers, but those were just punks period, but skinheads can be straight edge too. God I can't believe I know this.\nI'm not a Skin nor have I ever been, because I think Chelseas are unattractive, and I've just never been interested in the scene.But I have known some, and they can be pretty nice sometimes, (if they're not nazis) but not really my kind of people. It originated in England I think.\nThey usually wear boots or doc martens, with their pant legs rolled up, and sometimes wears suspenders. They always shave their heads, and the girls have their heads shaved on top with hair where the bangs are and at the back, those are Chelseas. (some chick that used to be a lifeguard at the pool by my old house had one) A lot of times the girls will wear plaid skirts. But those are just some basic styles, they can wear anything.\nI don't really know what they're all about, all I've ever seen them do is drink beer and get into fights while listening to Oi Polloi.
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Ok well yoo know how people label other people who wear black "goths"? .. yeah well.. \nWell the label "emo" is like ummmm... its hard to explain. xD\nBut basically the typical "emo" wears tight clothes, depressed, listen to emo music, wears kinda punky clothes and ummm has an emo fringe\n.. It's all just stereotypical crap really
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http://www.layoutjerk.com has a large number of emo and gothic layouts, check there
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Check out these two websites, they might have some info:\n\nhttp://www.ocpunk.com/\n\nhttp://www.sandiegopunk.com/interviews/sixerinterview.php\n\nAnd here's a story on the SD punk scene that paints a less-that great picture:\n\nhttp://members.aol.com/desperatem1/Road_Trip_Sanx.html
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These are stereotypes, so this can only be based on opinion and society... so please nobody say I said something wrong or "hey, I'm goth/emo and I'm not _____".\n\nGoths are usually people who dress in black and hate other people. They only open up to few people. They do not show off their hate or sadness. They wear dark makeup, but they don't necessarialy scribble all over their faces. The girls wear skirts a lot. Fishnets are also "gothy". Boys and girls both wear baggy pants with chains. Real goths would never call themselves goth, and if someone was to call them as such they may get angry. The feeling of goth is more of anger.\n\nEmos are pretty much people trying to be goth. They write dramatic poems and many are "cutters". They basically show off their emotion. They can wear black, but they also wear tight, tight, tight pants a lot. It is usually said that the emo boys "steals their sister's makeup and jeans". They are also usually vegan or vegetarian. They too wear dark makeup, but a lot of times it's eyeliner lines representing crying. Most emos will call themselves emo, but a lot of times people will be like "Giggle!! I'm so emo!!" but they're just posers. The feeling of emo is a lot more sad than goth.
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Goth is a subculture with cultural music, dress, commonly accepted religion and social beliefs. Often misunderstood and mislabled. Was one out in SF. One of the best times of my life so far. Very tolerant and accepting culture.
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goth is a stereotype of people who hate the world and wear black and listen to marilyn manson...blah blah blah...but i dont believe in stereotypes so you can just disregard this whole answer.