If Jesus Christ was an all knowing and all powerful god, wasn't his crucifixion a suicide?
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Technically it would fall under the definition of suicide.  Suicide includes things like a soldier sacrificing his life for the sake of others.  So, if Jesus was indeed a god omnipotent omniscient god, then he would have known that by doing certain things he would bring about his own earthly death (kinda like suicide by cop).  I doubt you'll get any christians who will admit that it can be called a suicide.
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he did. read the whole story. though i do not believe that he was god and not agree with its total concept of sacrifice and sin . and to say jesus was that is no different than  idolworship.
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Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the second person in the "Holy Trinity". However, the very Bible which is used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for the doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim.\n1. God Is All Knowing.....But Jesus Was Not \n\nWhen speaking of the Day of Judgement, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt. 24:36) But God knows all. His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own admission, did not know when the Day of Judgement would be.\n\n. God Is All-Powerful.....But Jesus Was Not \n\nWhile Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19). Again he said, "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." (John 5:30)\n\n3. God Does Not Have A God.....But Jesus Did Have A God \n\nGod is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was One whom he worshipped and to Whom he prayed when he said, "I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17). He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46). \nIf Jesus were God, then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself, why hast thou forsaken me?". Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's Prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless, not as I will but as thou wilt." (Matt. 26:36). Was Jesus praying to himself? \n\nAccording to the Bible, God is an invisible spirit.... \n\n4. But Jesus Was Flesh And Blood \n\nWhile thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that this could not be done with God when he said: "No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18). "Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape." (John 5:37) He also said in John 4:24: "God is a spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that Jesus was not God. \n\n5. Will Was Distinct From His Own \n\nPerhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not equal, and therefore not one and the same, comes again from the mouth of Jesus himself who said in John 14:28: "My Father is greater than I." When someone referred to him as a good master in Luke 18:19, Jesus responded: "Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." (John 8:42) Jesus gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with God, when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but Thine be done" and in John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." \n\nThe Church recognises the Bible as the primary source of knowledge about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what basis have you come to believe otherwise? \n\nThe belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesu
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I have sometimes wondered about how Jesus, being God, was able to contain the infinite wisdom and knowledge of God in the finite space of a human cranium. The best thing that I have been able to figure out is that He had access to the fullness of deity, but did not make full use of it in some ways. For example, Paul's letter to the Phillippian church  speaks of Jesus not clinging to his prerogatives as God, but emptying Himself. It seems that He did not retain all knowledge of the future and technology, etc., so that he would rely on the Holy Spirit to do His works, just as we are to relay on Him. Jesus' entire life on earth was a ministry, not only his passion and death and resurrection. He served as an example of how we are to serve. \n\nSo, when Jesus was faced with a situation, He drew on the power of the Holy Spirit to work miracles, to prophesy, to heal, not His own power. In a sense, he gave up the right to decide what was the best approach. He was led of the Spirit to a degree that probably nobody else ever was. He was fulfilling a specific mission in His life, which was to redeem us, not necessarily to establish schools, etc. (more on this in a moment.)\n\nThe miracles Jesus did were to establish credibility so that people would believe He was the promised Messiah. (He told people to believe on the basis of the miracles, if nothing else.) The specific miracles were unimportant in the sense that He could probably have just spoken and healed everybody in Judea at once. But that would not have led them to faith in Him. They had to be done in such a way as to get people's attention and for them to see.\n\nNow, as to schools, it has sometimes struck me that the book of Acts is, as it says in the first sentence, "...all that Jesus began to do and teach..." The book is sometimes called the acts of the apostles, but I think they would be the first to give Jesus the glory for all those deeds. \n\nWhen I reflect on what has been accomplished, with Christians over the centuries establishing schools, hospitals, orphanages, museums, beautiful and permanent works of architecture and engineering, I am sometimes amazed, and I say, Jesus did it all. It is all from Him, and this would never have come to pass without Him. So, in a sense, He did do all these things. I don't know why He didn't do them sooner. But I know He knows what he is doing.
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I believe in God but not the trinity. (God is not all in Jesus, but Jesus was all God)\n\nBut even as a God he had to humiliate himself, by walking on the earth as a man.\n\nTraits of a human Body\nJesus became wearied ( tired ) ( John 4:6 ) \nJesus became hungry ( Luke 4:2 , Mt 4:2 , Mark 11:12 ) \non the cross just before he died he said I thirst ( John 19:28 ) \n\nHe showed human emotion\nJesus wept ( John 11:35 ) \nJesus loved ( Mark 10:21 , John 11:15 , John 11:36 , John 15:12 , John 19:26 ....) \nJesus was angry ( Mark 11:11-21 ) \n\nAn argument for support of the married status of Jesus is that bachelorhood was very rare for Jewish males of Jesus' time, being generally regarded as a transgression of the first mitzvah (divine commandment) — "Be fruitful and multiply". According to this reasoning, it would have been unthinkable for an adult, unmarried Jew to travel about teaching as a rabbi.\n\nIn The Gospel of Philip, it is said: \n"There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary, his mother, and her sister, and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion. His sister and his mother and his companion were each a Mary." \n\nAs for the Wisdom who is called "the barren," she is the mother of the angels. And the companion of the Lord Mary Magdalene. Jesus loved her more than all the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her mouth. \n\nLogically and realistically they could have been married and had a child/children. He came here to walk as a man, it was not then and it is not now  a sin to be married, engage in intercourse, and have a child.\n\nLogically and realistically he could have been totally divine, felt all the worst mankind had to offer, and very little of the joy. which is really what he was sent here to do, die for our sin.\n\nHopefully, we will see all the truth in heaven.
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He does... \nAfter all if God created man in his own likelihood, and the majority of us live in sin, probably that's not sin its the way God lives. \nSo when Jesus comes along with a new interpretation God kills him off at 33!\nGod punishes independent thought!\nQED
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He laid down his life AND he was killed.  It would not have been right for him to commit suicide in order to save us.  Because that would have been committing a murder.\n\nWhen voluntarily laid down his life, he was allowing the Jews, through the Romans (yes, I know there's controversy on this...no hate mail please) to take his life or to kill him.  He was not forced to die.
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I don't think so.  I don't pretend to know what would have happened had Judas repented and not betrayed Jesus.  But we all have 'free will'.  If Judas was merely programmed to betray Jesus, then his 'free will' would have been negated.  And I don't think Jesus' death on the cross would have been valid if someone had to lose their 'free will' to bring the crucifixion about.\n\nThis is all too confusing for me to reason out.  Jesus was God and knows the past, present and future.  He knew Judas would betray him.  Does that mean Judas did not posess free will?  But if Jesus knew the past, present and future, why did he pray to His Heavenly Father for "this cup to pass from me, but not my will, but thine be done."  He knew the cup couldn't pass.\n\nI'm not smart enough to figure this stuff out.  A friend of mine asked me once if God could do anything.  I said with a very smug look on my face, "Of course he can!"  That's when my friend said "No he can't.  He can't make a rock so big that he couldn't lift it!"\n\nOK, my smug look disappeared in a flash.  My friend is right, God can't make a rock so big that he couldn't lift it.  So God can't do everything.  See why I don't rely on my brain, but rather my FAITH in the Lord?
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Let's get one thing straight. The verses you quoted were statements made by Jesus; not Almighty God. The trinity doctrine that is widely taught in Christendom is really throwing you off. When Jesus is making these statements he's humbly acknowledging that in fact the "father" is greater than him. This is further reiterated in John 14:28. Why would almighty God who knows all things would not know for instance the day of Judgment?_Psalms 83:18 Notice that the scripture that you quoted (Mark 13:2) says in the 2nd part of the verse:"neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the "Father." Again this stresses that Jesus or the Son of God doesn't know the day, but his FATHER would know. Clearly this shows that Jehovah God and Jesus are two different people and that this shows a distinction between them. If Jesus and God were the same wouldn't Jesus know the day of Judgement too?\nThe many other statements that Jesus makes further show that he is not equal to his father._Philippians 2:6: "who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God."_1 Corinthians 11:3, John 20:17. Similiarly, no son is equal to his father or the same as him. Sure they may look alike, talk, or act alike but you recognize them as two separate entities not combined in one. In John 5:19 Jesus makes it clear that he doesn't do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. Also whatever that One does he also does in like manner.\nAfter reasoning from the scriptures you can conclude that from your statements above, Jesus was not only recognizing his father as greater than he was but was giving his father praise and honor by giving him the credit. You can also conlcude that if you read the Bible nodenominationally you would not come to the conclusion that God is part of a trinity which is contradicted in the scriptures. Instead Christ is "one" with God (not literally) in that they are always in harmony with each other just like a husband and wife were to be one as in united together._Genesis 2:24. The trinity really blurs the relationship between God and Jesus and is a source of confusion for many. You can find more information on this particular subject from this link. http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_04.htm
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I think so because when he was put on the cross, he bled and hurt just like any other human.  He was perfect in the ways that he didn't sin, but other than that, he was human.
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I always knew their was a God, but I didn'y know that much about him until I accepted Jesus Christ as his only Son and what he did which was to take the sins of the world on his shoulders and to die on the cross, but only God can enlighten you about this.\nIf you want to know more all you have to do is ask God in prayer when you are alone, and he surely wil show you to.
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yes, jesus was a perfect man, and he didnt do anything wrong.  pilate didnt want to condemn jesus, but he did because the  people were telling him to.  in a way, he fell into peer pressure.  However, in order for us to be saved, Jesus had to die on the cross, so even though Pilate sinned, it was in God's plan for Jesus's death.
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congratulations for using your mind\n\n-------\n\nfirst of all, trinity is not understandable. There is only one God. not three in one God. \nIf God is the Father and also the Son, then He would then be the Father of Himself because He is His own Son. This is illogical!\n\n\n-------\nfurthermore, look and this verse of bible. \n\nMark 13:32 \n"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." \n\nIf Jesus and God are equal then they should be equal in knowledge. But as we can see, God is greater in knowledge than Jesus. The fact that one "personality" of God has knowledge not available to the other "two thirds" is a clear indication that they are distinct and separate beings, and not three faces of one being.\nAnd if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?\n\nSome say his human nature prevented him from knowing. Reasonably, though, if, as some believe, he was fully God, nothing could prevent him from knowing. How can human nature prevent God from knowing anything, particularly something of such import?  That further proves that Jesus was not all-powerful, because if he was all-powerful, then he would have power to know the final hour and to give himself this knowledge. \n\nFurthermore, if someone thinks that Jesus the man did not know, then he is missing a point that according to Christians, Jesus was 100% man and 100% God in one body. It means, Jesus possessed the same intellect of God and man.  If he had the same intellect then he should have same knowledge. But when we read the text it says only the father knows. This means that even the "DIVINE JESUS" doesn't know. This means that no one else knows including the divine Jesus. Therefore, Jesus lacks being All-knowing. and we know that God is All-knowing, hence, Jesus cannot be God. \n\n\n\n\n\nQuran (holy book of islam) says in chapter  4 verse 171 \n"Say not ‘Trinity’: desist: \nIt will be better for you for \nAllah is one God."\n[Al-Qur’an 4:171]\n\n \n\nQuran says in Surah Maidah chapter 5 verse 73\n"They do blaspheme who say\nGod is one of three\nIn a Trinity: for there is \nNo god except One God.\nIf they desist not\nFrom their word (of blasphemy),\nVerily a grievous penalty\nWill befall the blasphemers\nAmong them."\n\n=================\n\nHOPE THIS ANSWERS
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I believe that Jesus is not a God.....He was a Prophet for Israelites but he was took by God to the Sky....the people that crussified by Israelites with help by Romans was his betrayal follower or Hawariyyin named Yahuza .....it took so long...but i believe that Jesus is Prophet and about his marriage with Mary Magdalene.....i was a lil' bit blur about it...
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While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power he had was not his own, but derived from God. He said, "Verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19) Again he said, "I can of mine own self do nothing: As I hear I judge, and my judgment is just because I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." (John 5:30) But God is not only all-powerful, He is also the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.and never claimed to be
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Jesus made the answer to your question clear when he said "all manner of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven among men.....(Matt.Ch.12 V31-32 being blasphemy against the Holy Ghost which involved a 2 fold Heavenly witness)as this is the only sin for which there is no forgiveness, then suicide is forgivable. Hope this helps.
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Yes.\n\nCatholics believe suicide when committed in full knowledge and deliberate consent is a complete turning away from God (a mortal sin) and will send a person to hell.\n\nThere are 3 conditions of a mortal sin: grave matter, full knowledge, and deliberate consent. \n\nWhile suicide (or any kind of murder) is always a grave matter, people who commit suicide may not always have full knowledge of what they're doing. Drugs can definitely impair one's thinking, as can other things, such as diseases, intense pain, or anguish. \n\nTherefore, suicide is not automatically treated as a mortal sin. \n\nWe are commanded by Christ not to judge others so we leave final judgment to God who alone knows each person's heart.\n\nWith love in Christ.