Why is it any more wrong for Israeli jews to live in Israel, but it was fine when Britain did it?
413557
Ahh- you are going to be facedf with the normal anti-Israel diatries.  The fact that there has never been an independent country called Palestine, that the Romans called the province Philistina to punish the Jews, the fact that even in ROman times not all the Jews were expelled, the fact that there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the area for the last 3500 years, the fact that until the mid 1800s the Palestinians were a largely migratory group, and even then ended up spread across most of the middle-east, including Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt.  All of these facts slip the anti-Israel lobby by in their virulent hatred.
757486
I'm  Muslim and i have nothing against the Jews, but I'm 100% against the Zionist state of Israel. before Israel was declared the Jews, Christians and Muslims lived together all over the middle east in peace. it wasn't until the migration of the European Jews (Zionists) who came from all over Europe and settled in Palestine which has been a British colony since the first world war. when the Jews of Europe moved to Palestine they started their terrorist operations against the Native inhabitants of the Land and specifically the Muslims and Christians. they burned their houses, killed many and drove the rest out of their homes into the deserts. in 1948, the state of Israel was declared by the UN and the land was divided into two states, with the Jewish area consisting of roughly 55% of the land, and the Arab area roughly 45%. Jerusalem was planned to be an international region administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.\n\nthe Arabs knew that this is done by the British super power to put the Arabs in their place plus they felt that the land is being officially stolen therefore the 1948 war started which resulted in the defeat of the Arabs and Israel gained an additional 26% of the Mandate territory west of the Jordan River. Jordan, for its part, held the large mountainous areas of Judea and Samaria, which became known as the West Bank. Egypt took control of a small strip of land along the coast, which became known as the Gaza Strip.\nEstimates of the final refugee count range from 400,000 to 900,000 with the official United Nations count at 711,000.The continuing conflict between Israel and the Arab world resulted in a lasting displacement that persists to this day.\nImmigration of Holocaust survivors and Jewish refugees from Arab lands doubled Israel's population within a year of independence. Over the following years approximately 850,000 Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews fled or were expelled from surrounding Arab countries and Iran. Of these, about 600,000 settled in Israel; the remainder went to Europe and the Americas.\n\nfor those atrocities that happened in the past and still happening until now. I feel my rejection of the state of Israel is justified. and i understand how the Arabs feel.\nbut to be practical and look for peaceful solutions i came to agree that if Israel pulls out of ALL the occupied territories (1967 borders) i think there might be a chance for co-existence between Arabs and Jews. after all we do worship one God and from the same origin.\n\npeace!
474118
THE UN MOVED THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AFTER WWII TO ISRAEL, WHERE AT THE TIME THE PALESTINIANS SAID NO, THE JEWISH WERE MOVED IN ANYWAY, AND SINCE THERE'S BEEN FIGHTING BECAUSE THE PALESTINIANS SAY IT'S THEIR LAND AND THE JEWS DON'T BELONG THERE. BUT IT IS THE JEWS LAND AND IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR YEARS NOW, THE PALESTINIANS NEED TO LEARN HOW TO LIVE IN PEACE AND SHARE THEIR PLACE. I CAN SEE WHY THE WOULD BE ANGRY BUT ITS BEEN SO LONG, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE JEWS HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO GO.
555673
I live in the UK, and the newspapers I read are certainly critical of Israel, but also condemn Palestinian suicide bombings. People here definitely have a different view of Israel than the Americans I know. A few years back a group of Palestinians came to Edinburgh and was hosted by a youth organisation I'm part of. However, I don't think it was a particularly constructive endeavour, as it turned out our visitors were wealthy and priviledged, hardly representative of Palestinians, and had a tendency to steal.
145241
Considering Pakistan was part of India until the U.K. dismantled India into two countries before it left. I side with India. Same thing as in Palestine. The Israelis have an inch and want a yard.
490398
I'm confused by your question.\n\nFirst off, a Zionist is a person who believes that the Jewish People should have a homeland in the Holy Land.\n\nSecond, I don't know of any time where there has been illegal migration into the Holy Land by Zionists. From 1017 to 1917 the Ottoman Empire let anyone come in except during WWI when they excluded all citizens of Allied countries regardless of their views on Zionism.\n\nFrom 1917 to 1945 the British administered the Holy Land pursuant to a League of Nations Mandate that the Holy Land be a "homeland for the Jewish People".  By virtue of that mandate, any restrictions the British tried to put on Zionist immigration were illegal, not the other way round.  In 1947 the UN voted to divide the Mandate Territory into a Jewish State and an Arab State, pursuant to which the Jewish community in the Holy Land declared a State, Israel, which was admitted to the UN.  As a sovereign state established in accordance to international law, Israel allows immigration of Zionists.\n\nUS problems with immigrants to the US is just not on the radar for Israelis, and they don't have views.  Persons living in the US who favor a Jewish Homeland in the Holy Land, or part of it, may have views on immigration, but those views vary from person to person.
956154
It is a fine balance between having a fair country and having a safe country.  We will often sway too far in one direction before coming back - invariably too far in the other direction.\n\nTo hate the british is not a crime and should not be made illegal or indeed stop entry into the UK for anyone, however uncomfortable it makes us feel.  Hopefully, when they're here they will realise that they were wrong and that we're not really that bad!\nThe difficulty comes in deciding who poses a real threat.\n\nAs for the OTT. political correctness - I agree that it's ridiculous.  We should be proud of our country and it's history and realise that people come here often because of them and not despite them!\n\nps. Dove - you sound great!  Come and visit some time!
1111701
if you are asking about present war reason then its about kidnapping of an Israeli soldier, and to free his soldier Israel has attacked in Gaza strip.\n other wise in general its a long history, to make it short its like this:- Jews people were settled in Arab land by Britishers long back. later on Jews become more power full and Palestinians are wanting back their land which they gave long ago, and obviously Jews are not going to leave that place called Israel.so now its a war for land between those who given(Palestinians) and those who lived on it for such a long time and made it wealthy(Israeli)
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I think I understand where you are going there.  My timid answer is 'yes'.  You may be sympathetic to the Jewish cause, but know that Israel (back then there was no Israel) is a pawn in the American military that causes more strife than it's supposedly worth.  \nJust know that Israel is located VERY strategically in the middle east, ok.  While we, as modern day Americans, think that Palestinians and Jews should just get along, there are big religious problems there.  We're Americans, we understand that.  Both sides deserve to occupy land they consider to be holy and to live in peace with each other.  The issue is, they consider the same land to be holy for different reasons.  That is why America is there.  Americans revere Jerusalem as Jews do.  So, we pretend that we support them when in actuality we are there to police the middle east.
952613
If you were naive enough to believe what you hear on the news and media, you would think there is an entity called a "Palestinian people," who lived in a "country/state/area" called Palestine since Canaanite/Biblical/Muslim times. You would almost believe that the Israelis occupied "Palestine" in 1967. And you might even think that the Palestinians want the occupiers out of their land. And of course, you might feel, they are entitled to do whatever it takes to get their land back.  No?  No.  Not at all,  Here are the facts. \n\nWho are the Palestinians? Palestinians are Arabs. They have no historical, national or cultural identity distinct from other Arabs of the region. Most of them came into Palestine in search of economic opportunities after World War I when the British and the Jews began to build up a land that was moribund. \n\nWhat is Palestine? When the Romans conquered Judea, they renamed it Palestine. Since then, no occupying power ever made it an independent state or established a capital in Jerusalem. Under the Ottoman Empire, it was part of the province of Syria. \n\nAfter World War I, the area was mandated to Britain to establish a Jewish national home.  Instead, in 1922, Britain split off 75% of Palestine to establish the Emirate of Transjordan, as a throne for the Arabian Hashemite family. \n\nThe UN decided to split the remaining 25% of Palestine between Jews and Arabs.  In 1948, five Arab armies attacked the newborn State of Israel.  Transjordan annexed the area intended for an Arab state, and renamed itself the Kingdom of Jordan, calling the annexed area the West Bank.  Egypt took over Gaza.  No Arab suggested making the West Bank and/or Gaza into yet another Arab state until 1967, when Israel was again attacked by the Arabs and took these areas. \n\nWhether or not she chooses to exercise the right, Israel owns the West Bank by right of conquest and by biblical rights.  Before 1967, the last previous legal owner was the Ottoman Empire. And Turkey, heir to the Ottomans, has never asked for it back.
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Israel is a delicate situation.\n\nIs Israel itself a great example of democracy, economy, etc.? A resounding YES! \n\nUnfortunately, that plays ZERO part in the mentality of their regional neighbors.\n\nIsrael was CREATED by the US and Britain after WW2, largely as a byproduct of the guilt associated with the holocaust's effects on Jews.\n\nThe US and Britain (primarily) created the boundaries of a new israeli nation, taking terrotory previously controlled by Turkey (Ottoman Empire) and then Britain (after WW1). \n\nImagine the city where you live, being suddenly designated as the "homeland" for a minority such as Native Americans, or Mexicans (what have you). You and all of your city's population are told... "move out". We are giving this city to this new group because HUNDREDS of years ago it was once predominantly occupied by them. \n\n"Pack up! We are going to give you two pieces of land on the outskirts and on basically opposite ends of the city. Move there." (Gaza and West Bank)\n\nWe actually had intended to allocate a great piece of land for all of your people right next door, BUT... the mayor we chose, made himself King and decided he didn't want you to sully up his town and said NO to any immigration (Jordan) and thus you are stuck in two essentially useless pieces of land, so we can alleviate our guilt. \n\nI know this scenario sounds over simplified, and it is, but the point is... WE (US and Britain) arbitrarily recreated a nation of Israel by wielding our power over weaker people.\n\nTHIS is what has caused the hatred of us and the Israelis as much as anything. \n\nBritain backed off of nation building and manipulation considerably after WW2, while we intensified our nosing in. Thus Britain took less and less direct attacks, while we were seen more and more as the enemy and the big bully supporting an illegitimate state (in Arab minds).\n\nI am NOT an Israel hater...dont get me wrong, but Israel is not this poor, pitiful nation that is unfairlyu beat up on by big arab bullies. \n\nShe is HEAVILY armed, nuclear capable and despite our wishes, has violated MANY UN charters (developing nukes, selling arms to South Africa during apartheid (even co-developing nukes with South Africa), selling F14 technology to Iran (while we were embargoing them), selling missile tech to China, Pakistan, India, et al for ICBMs, etc, etc. \n\nIsrael is a CREATED cause for the Arabs... and it was created by us. \n\nWith all ofthat said. Israel deserves autonomy, and deserves our support, BUT not our BLIND support.
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The state of Israel was legally created out of the dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War I. The area was desolate, desert and swamp, with some small towns and a few inhabitants, many of them nomads. The inhabitants considered themselves mostly Syrian. The Balfour Declaration issued by the British, who were given the mandate over the area by the League of Nations. Jews have lived in the country since Biblical times. The Arabs from the surrounding areas were lured to "Palestine" by the industry and prosperity that the Jews brought to the region. Envy, hatred and religious fanaticism turned the Arabs against the Jews. In 1947, under pressure, the British resigned their mandate. The same year, the United Nations mandated partioning of the territory. The Jews, though disappointed, accepted the partition. The Arabs rejected it and launched war against Israel. The armies of five Arab countries invaded. Following the exhortations of the invaders, the Arab residents got out of the way hoping to return after victory was attained. They could then reclaim their property and that of the Jews, all of whom would have been killed or would have fled. Israel won. That and that alone is the source of the Palastinian "refugees". Had the Arabs accepted the UN partition plan, there would now have been a state of "Palestine" for the last 58 years. The might have attained a similar level of prosperity, advancement and development as Israel. 50% of Israel's population now includes refugees from Morocco, Algeria, Iraq and Yemen. All were accepted by Israel with open arms and have become successful members of their society. The Palestinians refused to integrate these refugees into their population and instead confined them to "refugee camps". The ones there are now fourth generation and through no fault of Israel.
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...But for Jews living in Arab lands, the problems were just beginning. Across North Africa and the Middle East, more than a million Jews, already living as second-class citizens in hostile nations, were driven into exile after 1948, their property confiscated, their futures uncertain... \n\nGood topic. Not many people are aware of the Jewish refugees from Arab lands. Some sites to get you started:\n\nhttp://www.jimena.org/\nhttp://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/arabjewtoc.html\nhttp://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_refugees_jews_why.php\nhttp://www.americansephardifederation.org/sub/sources/jewish_refugees.asp\nhttp://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/maps/refs.html
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Because the country that the Jews live in is ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!
12697
It is not hating or loving them. It was looking much easier solution to put them back in their native place/origin than keeping them in racist western nations. But at the cost of Palestine people. Still Jews and Palestines could live amicably if no intimidation from other Arab nations.  But unfortunately neither Arabs nor Jews nor White Westerners are non-racists. They born up with hatred. It is not that easy to get rid of that drug.
654456
it is a long story but here is the short end. back in ww2 the jews had decided they had enough of being persrcuted where ever they go. considering there was no such thing as the jewish nation. as you know the americans british and the french allied together to save the jews from the nazis. then popped in zionism. the british and the zionist banned together and took palestine. at the time there was no saudi arabia or jordan. the palestinian people never did agree to have their land taken from them but it was taken any ways. the palestinians were the majority obviously considering it is their land. they are killed every day. their houses were destroyed, their people were kicked out of their land and massive amounts of jewish people world wide came to live there. a true jew knows that israel is not theirs for the taken and there is a fight between zionist jews that do not follow the torah and the orthodox jews who DO follow the torah. http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/FAQs/protest020702.cfm here is a website showing the real orthodox jewish stand point. the palestinians do in deed take part in suicide bombings because they do not have any other way to defend themselves against tanks, machine guns, granaids, and other weaponry the israeli's have. orthodox jews are killed as well as the palestinians trying to stop the injustice. the suicide bombers do it out of desperation. it would be like you living in your home all of a sudden some people come into your house say this is their land and force you out. if yo resist they will kill you. so when a relative gets killed by the israelis well of corse they are to strike back. israel has a nuclear bomb. palestinians have NOTHING but some rocks and home made bombs. there are car bombings, bus bombings, etc.. in no way are these things alright to do when it comes to killing innocent life no matter who you are. the palestinians should sit back and wait until they become strong enough to fight back. but i am not in their posistion so i can not say. when i look at the zionist i hate their actions but i can understand to a point why they want to have a country of their own. they are tired of being persicuted where ever they go. christians have been killing them in mass numbers for centeries now. dated way back to one of the first popes. i know that according to islam they have a right to live where ever they want to live as long as they do it in a peaceful manner. muslims welcome the people in the website above. the ones that follow the torah the correct way. these are peaeful good hearted jews. but the jews who take israel by force knowing they are forbidden and are to follow the laws in which ever country they reside in and go against it will be judged which is stated in THEIR own book. so in conclusion which ever side you are on the whole war is about land!
184631
it is so complex problem...and i think almost the terrorism in the world now comes from this problem...i live in the middle east ...and i do not understand yet why Jews have the right in the land of the Arabic people...they think God give them the land of Israel just coz you are Jews?\nwhat about the rights of the Plestine people???\ni just want to tell you before the years of 1948 before they were given the land of Plastine...the Arbic Muslem people never fight or hate jews...that is historical fact ..and the jews used to live in the Arbic countries...the Westrian World supported you in taking Plastine coz they feel sin about what they did in jews..especially after the 2end world War...sorry they sow jews as a problem in their contries so they sent you away in the Middel East...and do not care that they make the most complex and bloody problem in the human modern history...a lot of people died and suffered becuse of this great problem ..and the blood still go on here in the Middel East..\nand please some one help me really if God really gave the land of Arbic Plastine to the Isreal can any one show me the contrect or the document of buying...????? \n?but Arbic people will never forget their land...even after 100 years i will not forget my home that was taken from me...never...by the way i do not hate jews...i just live in the mad Middle East....\nNOTE:some people tell a BIG LIES here about the the Plastine`s land was empty before 1948...but the dead bodies of the innocent people who were killed by the Ireal proves that this land was not empty....and that really so silly explanation to take the land of Plastine....is that a fair law.... any one find a empty land ..just take and pertend that it was your home that God gave it to you before 4000 years...what a silly lie...