how do pro lifers feel about mast**bation?
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YOU'VE JUST WASTED 5 POINTS ASKIN A POINTLESS QUESYION, GET A LIFE WILL YA... NOW LOOK, I'VE JUST GAINED 2 POINTS ON YOU....
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Get them to stop the hate... Jesus spent 98% percent of the time talking about the least among us....Conservatives have seemingly abandoned the least among us...Example: Pro Life: Great idea but instead of being prolife they should be called pro-fetus...Once the baby is born..they abandon it and it's poor mother...Now is that really prolife...
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You can even take this one step further. Most of those same people who are for abortion are also for assisted suicide and euthenasia of terminally ill people, or people who are too old to care for themselves. Many people think that you have to have a certain quality of life in order to deserve to live. Unplanned babies, the sick, the old, and the dying fit into their ideas of those who don't or won't have a quality of life that's productive. Oh yeah, and that includes another group of people...those who are in a coma and are only hooked up to feeding tubes. They have their feeding tubes pulled out, leaving them to starve to death. Many live for several weeks before dying, with the family watching the whole proceedure, in the name of saving money, but claiming they are giving their "loved" one death with dignity. What's so dignified about starvation? They spout off grand speeches about how they can't bear to see them suffer so much. And that their quality of life doesn't exist anymore. Then, they'll turn around and picket in front of a jail, where a convicted killer is ready to get the needle, dying in peace, having just eaten the greatest meal they'd ever had. Go figure. Abortion is just as senseless, with hundreds of couples waiting for years to adopt a baby. I know a few gals who got abortions...not because they were raped...or because it was a health risk to her or the baby...but because it was inconvenient. They were in school. They didn't want their parents to find out (after all, we just know that their parents will KILL them if they find out, right?). It was just easy to think of their baby as a blob of material, with no identity. I've heard people say that the baby isn't really human until they're born. Really? What is that thing inside of a pregnant woman, a fish, a monkey, a figment of their imagination? Have they really seen the amazing pictures of a baby inside of the mom? Looks human to me. I still have the ultrasound of my daughter and she looks like a baby to me. I guess it all depends on what you believe in...whether you believe in defending the defenseless or supporting the evil. No one has ever explained sufficiently to me the up side of abortion. There is none. Everyone loses. What a huge waste of a human life. <*)))><
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Well, I consider myself a libertarian and I am Pro-life. If the girl who implied that being a Pro-life libertarian was being less than a full libertarian knew what she was talking about, she'd know that there is no consensus among libertarians or the Libertarian party about abortion except this: no government funds should  ever be used for any abortions.\n\nMost libertarians believe that one area the government should interfer with is when one person interfers with the life of another. Sounds like abortion to me.
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Great Question!  Made me think...not too many here do...here we go!\n\nNOT against Abortion....feel it is every woman's right to decide!\n\nWAS against Capital punishment UNTIL I went to a site called Prison Talk Forum and read what all the woman in the United States are on Death Row for.  Obviously I was surprised that SO many where there for killing their own children......and in alot of cases not just one child...multiple children.\n\nSo when I went to answer this question....I had to stop and actually think.  Am I right in my thinking that it is OK to terminate a fetus.....BUT.....at the same time hold these woman in so much CONTEMPT.\n\nI don't have an answer to the question...my heart says kill kill kill.....those precious children didn't deserve that.....especially from their mom.  My brain says....hmmmm.
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Pro=choice.\n\nAs a male, I don't feel I have any right to dictate to someone else to have a child. \n\nMany children are not wanted! Many children are born addicted to cocaine! We have throw away children, many who are prostitutes and drug abusers at 15. Many come from broken homes. Many drop out of school, Many are physically and sexually abused, and most of the children who end up on Medicaid or some other assistance program, which are meager anyway, have to hear from the other side about how terrible they are. \n\nMany unwanted children have children because they want someone to love them! They are the victims in this country who  are blamed for our failure to live up to OUR part. Many want to force women to have children, and when they do,  they do not want to provide the help they need. They breed a cycle of mothers who are children, but they do nothing except cast stones and blame THEM for OUR failure..\n\nAnd we breed a cycle of children with attachment disorders, behavioral issues and mental issues. We don't want to help them either!\n\nI feel that until those who want to place their moral judgment, not Gods, on women by forcing them to have children should pay for those kids until they graduate from college. Until they can do that, their judgmental attitudes are underwhelming!\n\nWomen, especially young, were not intended to become baby factories for the wealthy. One reason i heard a woman say the reason she wanted to adopt was she didn't want to mess up "her" body. The reality is most women who carry a child to term do not give up their child for adoption.\n\nStone throwing Christians make me sick! The moral police I have no words that I can type that would tell you the true depths of my feelingsof them.
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Pro-abortionists will say that the unborn baby is a product of conception.  This allows them to not have to deal with the baby issue.  They want to say that pro-lifers are anti-choice....that they are against a woman having the right to choose what happens to their body.  I think the pro-murder or anti-life (I will call them that as they like to use the anti-choice moniker) advocates don't understand that pro-lifers are trying to speak up for the choice of one who cannot be heard...the baby!  The argument that I like to use, from a Biblical sense is that God says He knew us before we were born and that He knit us together in our mother's womb.  This indicates that He began life before our actual birth.  The argument that the baby is just a product of conception...it is true.  A baby is a product of conception, the only one...you conceive a baby!  It is not the baby's fault that you made a mistake, that you were irresponsible or that some sick bas...d went and did something to a woman that he should be strung up by his ba..s for!  That baby is innocent!  The woman who aborts a baby is also, often, wracked with guilt in their later years over what they did.  Why inflict an additional pain on some poor girl/woman who has been raped, etc.?  It is illegal to break an eagle's egg because it is living and the bald eagle is endangered, but it is legal to kill a human infant in the same state...what kind of sick logic is that?
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you know I am not the type of person that really has a problem with other people having their own opinion, but this is just outrageous.. on the web huh?? I has 3 miscarriages before my first son was born and I can tell you that they were most definitely not fully formed. It looked like a mass of blood, there was no shape. AND what about women who have been the victims of rape/incest or have medical problems and may die if they continue with the pregnancy ? Force a woman to carry a baby for 9 moths and remind her of a brutal rape??? Or force her to face eminent death ?? Come on now, be reasonable, most pro-choice people are and don't try to jam their beliefs down your throat, why do you insist on jamming yours down everyone Else's??\n\nAdditional:\n\nTo Orchid, I NEVER told YOU that your daughter was a blob of tissue, I was very upset when I miscarried my first 3 pregnancies as well. I just said , I SAW it, I didn't have it  "sucked" out like you stated, it came out in my own home and although it may have had limbs, it looked like a mass of blood, or a huge blood clot. You see, I would personally never have an abortion, but I DON'T believe you or anyone else has the right to tell me I must carry a baby that was the product of rape, etc because it's "murder" if I don't. You cry adoption, etc. that is your opinion and I respect your opinion, I however know that there are millions of children that are still waiting to be adopted. You have your opinion and I have mine, no need to attack me, as I did not attack anyone either. Respect me and I respect you. We live in a diverse world. How is it ok for you to say woman can't say it's their bodies, but you want to inflict your own values and outlaw abortion?
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I apologize now cause this is gonna be long and more than likely will be added to.\n\nI'm always wondered about this.  I know it's one of those spin things but it's hard to pin this one down.  To use myself as an example, I am Pro-Choice.  I also consider myself Pro-life because I would never ask a woman I got pregnant to have an abortion.  First off, I think I should take the responsibilty for it and carry it through to term even if we don't want it.  (This brings up the debate of it's not my body so I can't choose and I agree, I can't.  But I would hope that a woman I slept with would be willingly to listen to what I have to say about the baby inside her that I helped create. Once Again I hope she would, but it's not my body and thus I cannot choose for her.)\n\nThe reason why I would never want an abortion are two-fold, I'd want to step up to the plate and father that kid.  If we decided not to keep it, then I'd want to give it up for adoption so someone else who can't have a baby for some reason or another can finally have one (I have a friend who cannot get pregnant through normal methods and she wants mroe than anything to be a mother.  Did you know invitro-fertilization is like $4000 a shot?  That doesn't even mean you will get pregnant, it means you have a chance to!)  I think that clarifies my Pro-choice/Pro-life stance.  I also don't believe that I have the right as an EQUAL member of human society, to force my values on others.  I don't consider myself to be any more special than anyone else on the streets.\n\nPeople refer to it as "Pro-Death" because they feel like it needs to be an opposite of the "Pro-life" platform.  It has to be called an opposite to be given a choice is rational while outlawing CHOICE, and thue FREEDOM is not.  I bet the tunes would change if "pro-Life" was refered to instead of "Removal of a right", which is what it really is.  Secondly, has anyone ever been to a pro-death rally?  Of course not, That would be considered Genocide (stopping all births would be an effective method of stopping humanity and thus genocide).  \n\nHere's the funny thing, people who are "Pro-life" also tend to be for the Death Penalty.  How is that Pro-Life?  There IS debate on whether a baby is a human or not and thus a murder, there IS NO debate on whether a prisoner is a human.  Perhaps a foul murdering human, but nonetheless human.  Is that not a murder?\n\nOh one more thing.  I am 100% against partial birth abortions.  That practice disgusts me.  I think it disgusts just about everyone who knows teh method of it.  Regardless, I would not want a law that states you cannot do it.  But here's what i think, you carried it that long, just deliver the baby and give it to someone that wants it.
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You raise a perfectly valid point, and one with which I happen to agree. That's why I tend to avoid answering abortion questions. When I do weigh in, however, it is always on the side of choice, simply because the alternative contradicts my fundamental philosophy regarding the rights of the individual in society. It makes not one iota of difference what I personally think of abortion, unless I am directly involved in some way (i.e., I'm the potential father). \n\nMore to the point, however, I don't believe this issue is ANYONE else's business but those parties directly involved. In other words, it NEVER should have become a political or moral issue in the first place. It is an entirely personal and (very) private issue. So, when male politicians and religious leaders jump in with both feet, that's when I get really angry. It could not be any LESS their business, and no amount of sanctimonious moralizing is ever going to change that fact.\n\nOne final point. I think every abortion is a tragedy, but not for the reasons the pro-life zealots say it is. The tragedy is that a young woman is going through personal hell and is making a choice that may well haunt her for the rest of her life. She may be having the abortion for any number of reasons (rape, incest, health dangers, personal choice, whatever) and she will doubtless suffer for whatever decision she makes. That sad fate is plenty bad enough without having perfect bloody strangers blundering in to voice their disapproval on top of all else. \n\nThe bottom line is that this is rightly her decision to make in the end. Sure, if there is a father present who actually wants this child, he should have a say in the outcome. And doctors clearly have some role to play here, too. But how did such a deeply painful and personal choice ever become fodder for hypocritical politicians and pious religious leaders (whose primary responsibility is to preach tolerance, surely)? It is madness, pure madness...
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This is EXACTLY how you should feel and I don't blame you a bit. I'm not catholic, but I have been wondering the same things. Why aren't more people in an uproar about this??
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How about this.\n\nI am personally opposed to abortion, but know where my business ends and someone Else's starts.\n\nLove and blessings Don
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1.) Not sure that they feel pain, if they did I would think it would kill them because they are so fragile \n2.)The child is alive when there is a heartbeat.\n3.)That is life, a heartbeat, we know that someone is dead if they have no pulse and are alive if they do right?.\n4.) I don't think it should be legal except in the case of rape (which by the way you should have gotten the morning after pill if you went to the doctor anyway) or if it will cause the mother to die. \n5-6.)Yes, murder is taking the life of someone else. If they have a heartbeat and you take it from them for your own personal gain then yes. it is murder. especially in the case of partial birth abortion. That is just brutal.\n 8.)The government does need a say because they need to make the law,\n7.) should men? That is a hard one. A lot of men want children so badly and the only way to have your own child is if a women carries it but should they be able to tell a woman not to have a child? Absolutely not. So since a woman has the right to say you are relinquished of all resposibilities to this child part of me says the father should have the same rights but it is the womans body unfortunatly.\n10.) I can't stand the idea of abortion because I love children so much and I see so many people using it as a form of birth control and saying that it is a womans choice... well they also had the choice to wear a condom, to take a form of birth control (both free at family planning) and also the choice to not have sex! This is where I justify rape victims as they didn't have a chance to choose but all the other already made thier choice. Now they want to choose death for thier child because they are too young!?! Well then maybe you are too young for sex too. \n\nHow it affects me? High blood pressure and tears on my pillow at night.\n\nDoes no one rember ADOPTION is a possibility!?! All this "well the child would be abused" crap or "I couldn't give it a good life because I was too young" is rediculous! There are women all over crying for a child every night...did you forget about them!?
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You simply can not be both. Pro-life extends beyond the abortion forum. People have generalized it to applie jsut to abortion, but in defenition it is the defense of all human life, Regardless of transgressions. Not an eye for an eye.... So true pro lfie adheres to the dignity of all life.
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One of the most widely debated topics in this country and you can't think of anything to debate about?\n\nIf you're pro choice, why?  That's what the paper is about.  What do you say to others that oppose your point of view?  Is your view point fixed?  Could you be swayed to another perspective?\n\nWhat objections to your point of view are most troubling for you?  \n\nIf all else fails...triple space.
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I am Catholic and am Prochoice. This does not mean that I am Proabortion, simply that I respect everywoman's right to live her life within her own personal convictions. How can I, or anyone else force a female of any age to have a baby that she conceived during a rape? How about a 9 year old having a baby? It happens... How about a 52 year old who thought she couldn't get pregnant due to menopause? Should we be able to force any of these people to carry a baby that could be life threatening to the mother? How about the little girl? Should she have to go through a life changing event when clearly she can't be reponsible?\n\nYes, I can call myself a Catholic. I am very proud to. I am just as proud to call myself a human being. We really need to remember that we should advise from he heart but not condemn..."he without sin..." We should  lead by example...support programs that you believe in. But for any of us to start dictating anyone else's beliefs would be nothing but a dishonor to God.\n\nWe won't even go into the medical aspects of what carring a baby to term can do to a child or someone not in peak health.\n\nBy the way, I am also a very proud Mommy, planned and prayed for, and a Grandma..too!
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I myself, while pro-life, feel that rape victims should be able to get an abortion if they so chose. I can't imagine what it would be like to carry the child of a rapist for 9 months.\n\nI think Mexico has a lot of issues, not just this one in which their sense of justice is way out of whack.