Do you believe this historic Jesus was savior/messiah/son of God, or did the book about him just make that up?
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The people who wrote the book had spiritual experiences which led them to their conclusions.
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The Word of God was with God & was God before the creation; the Word was given to Moses who wrote in in the Torah; 2000 years ago, the Word was made Incarnate & lived on earth for 33 years.\n\nGod's Son is perfect (100% Torah-observant) & unchanging.\n\nThe Messiah's name is 'Yeshua' (which means "God's Salvation").\n\nNo one killed the Ultimate Passover Lamb of God - He gave up His earthly life and He Resurrected Himself.\n\nGod does not tell us when the Resurrection occurred. When the women got to the tomb early in the morning of the 1st day of the week, they had missed it - but the 1st day of the week is NOT synonymous with Sunday - that is a pagan calendar day... God has NEVER tolerated paganism mixed in with His worship. The 1st day of the week starts at sunset (on Saturday). This basic fact clarifies the NT references to followers of 'The Way' meeting 'after the Sabbath on the 1st day of the week': Saturday evening!\n\nGod gave His faithful believers a calendar and a schedule of Divine Appointed Times to keep Holy. (They are NOT the pagan holidays!) God did NOT authorize Easter & Christmas celebrations.\n\nDon't confuse yourself with logic & rationality. Read God's Word that ~human wisdom~ is just "folly."\n\nIt is a paradigm that your perspective determines ability to see the Truth. It requires faith - w/o faith you are lost.\n\nIt didn't make sense until I had more faith than the devil & demons who know & believe in God, trembling, without serving Him.\n\nThere are UNinspired pages in your Bibles! Tear out the title page "Old Testament" and the title page "New Testament."\n\nAll of God's Scripture is unified & congruent, without change or conflict.\n\nGod's Law is perfect & unchanging.\n\nThe unity & congruity of the Gospel of the OT & the Gospel of the NT are the SAME: True Faith + God's Grace = His Salvation\n\nGod's Salvation is perfect & unchanging.\n\nYou cannot understand the NT if you don't understand the OT!\n\n A personal relationship based on faith -like Abraham had- is the key to Salvation.\n\nTrue Faith requires a spiritual relationship; it is not religion or denominationalism or non-denominationalism.\n\nEmperor Constantine was a lifelong pagan; his pseudo-theology is an abhorrent abomination to God; apostasy!\n\nConstantine's Pope, St Sylvester, was a 'yes-man' who just rubber-stamped Constantine's heresies.\n\nConstantine co-opted the faith by mixing some elements of Christianity with sun god worship & termed it Christianity.\n\nThe Latin cross is not Scriptural - all we know is that it was called a "stake" which was used for crucifixion - & the Romans used a variety of forms/shapes. It was a icon popularized by a pagan (Constantine)  which has been come idolized. That's a no-no, also.\n\nThe Reformation was a failure!\n\nThose who love God, embrace God's Law w/o fear, because they are saved by Grace. Those who do not love the Law of God, probably won't be invited to ~have to suffer~ with it in heaven (the Kingdom of God where His Law rules). His faithful believers seek to do His will "on earth as it is in heaven" - i.e. follow His Law.
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hahahahaha.. I don't.  But there are loads of people who do.  They point at this book, and say everything is in there, that proves Jesus exists.  Even when scholars show that it was mistranslated over the centuries or that what it meant then is not what it means now.\n\nThat's why Santa Claus doesn't do better.  He doesn't have a book that tells lies, only some movies and songs.
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Jesus is the main figure of the New Testament and claims to be the main figure of the Old Testament as well by fulfilling their prophecies.  He claimed he has yet to fulfill ALL prophecy concerning him.  He is in no way a "prophet" as followers of Islam claim.  He claimed to be the Messiah and the Son of God.  In doing that he went way beyond being a prophet.  He said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but through me!"  The New Testament authors bear witness to his claims and give accounts to support them as well.  \nAny given church may or may not teach you more about Jesus. Jehovah Witnesses in particular (Watchtower publications) do not view Jesus as God incarnate, but A God and have their own unique version of the Old and New Testaments for this reason with alterations to the original manuscript. \nBy getting your own version of the New Testament and reading it yourself you will be better able to determine errant Christianity from biblical Christianity. I suggest NIV, New King James, or NAS versions for accuracy and readability.  Call help lines or whatever to get answers to things you don't get while READING specifically so you are not easily misled.
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I found this ,it may answer some of your questions.(these or not my writings)\n\nA would-be historian and wannabe scholar by the name of Hugh Schonfield who did a book titled something like, “In Search of Historic Jesus.” It didn’t take long to realize that this man was out to prove that the divine Jesus, the Son of God, didn’t exist, and that he – Schonfield – had an anti-God, anti-Faith agenda behind his writings. He made the outrageous supposition that “the early Church fathers may have rewritten some of the New Testament books and influenced others to rewrite the story of Jesus” despite a total absence of any historical or documentary proof to support such a thesis.\n\nAnother wannabe historian, Gary R. Habermas, took it even a step father with his claim that “the Gospels represent the teachings of the early church and not those of Jesus himself.” These kinds of spurious claims are johnny-come-lately efforts of liberals and leftists who neither know, nor have a relationship with Jesus Christ, nor have they ever even made an effort to personally put Jesus’ claims to the test.\n\nThat said, let’s examine some of the historical evidence that does exist. \n\nMany years ago, my father made reference to a volume of historical documents he had looked at when he was studying in Bible College. He later obtained a copy and sent it to me. The book was titled, The Archko Volume, and represented the culmination of many years of effort of two eminent scholars, Drs. McIntosh and Twyman of the Antiquarian Lodge in Genoa, Italy. Published in 1887, the work provided copies of writings and works taken from the Talmud and the Sanhedrin contemporary to the time of Christ, along with a copy of “Acta Pilati,” which was a report sent by Pontius Pilate – the Roman procurator or governor of Judaea – to Caesar detailing the arrest, trial and crucifixion of Jesus. Some of the other documents included Gamaliel’s interview with Joseph and Mary concerning Jesus. Gamaliel, you may remember, was the Pharisee at whose feet Paul the apostle sat while he was yet a Pharisee, being instructed in the ways of the sect.\n\nThe Archko Volume also includes some documented reports of Caiaphas, the High Priest who presided over the Jewish trial and judgment of Jesus prior to His being brought before Pilate, as well as his report to the Sanhedrin concerning the resurrection of Jesus.\n\nAccording to the testimony of the two researchers and archeologists who came up with the documents, the sources of these documents were ancient libraries in Constantinople and the Senatorial Docket in Rome.\n\nWhen you read these documents, it provides an interesting perspective and an otherwise not-considered view of others who either participated in or observed events and people who were involved in some way with Jesus Christ.\n\nOne of the things often overlooked by those who seek to authenticate the historical Jesus is the fact that what we now refer to as the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) were written as personal testimonies of men who walked and talked with Jesus. These were eyewitness accounts. What makes them all the more intriguing is the fact that they were written at different times, in different places, and in three different languages (Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic), and yet they agree with each other. Each of the writers has a distinct personality and a perspective that differs from the others; and that personality comes through in the writing style. Nevertheless, there is synoptic agreement between Matthew, Mark and Luke. \n\nJohn writes from a totally different perspective as Jesus’ best friend, and the majority of what he writes details the final week of Jesus’ life and what He taught before He was crucified.\n\nBut, let’s step away from the accepted canon for a moment and look at the works of historians who were contemporary to the time.\n\nPhilo Judaeus of Alexandria, Egypt was a contemporary of both Jesus and the apostle
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Is it possible that out of over thirty false messiahs running around during the second temple era, Christians fell for a fake?\n\nJesus could not possible be the Messiah, do you even know what the Messiah is supposed to do? Why didn't he do everything?\n\nI know I know, he will do it when he comes back right? Using that logic ANYONE could be the Messiah. Do you know who Shimon bar Kokhba is? \n\nHe was a figure who many thought might be the Messiah (and who actually met more of the Criteria then Jesus)do you no why he wasn't declared the Messiah? because he didn't fulfill the prophecies. But you know maybe he is coming back and he will fulfill the prophecies then.\n\nGive me a break!!!!\n\nDo you even know the criteria?\n\nFirst of all, he must be Jewish - "...you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you." (Deuteronomy 17:15)\n\nHe must be a member of the tribe of Judah - "The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet..." (Genesis 49:10)\n\nTo be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a biological father who is a member of the tribe of Judah.\n\nHe must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son - "And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever..." (2 Samuel 7:12 - 13)\n\nThe genealogy of the New Testament is inconsistent. While it gives two accounts of the genealogy of Joseph, it states clearly that he is not the biological father of Jesus. One of the genealogies is through Nathan and not Solomon altogether!\n\nHe must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel -"And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (Isaiah 11:12)\n\nAre all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus?\n\nHe must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - "...and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them.." (Ezekiel 37:26 - 27)\n\nAt last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after Jesus died that the Temple was DESTROYED! Just the opposite of this prophecy!\n\nHe will rule at a time of world-wide peace - "...they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." (Micah 4:3)askyourself...\n\nHave you seen a newspaper lately? Are we living in a state of complete world peace? Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?\n\nHe will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d's commandments - "My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes." (Ezekiel 37:24)\n\nThe Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.\n\nHe will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d - "And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd" (Isaiah 66:23)\n\nthere are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold.\n\nAll of these criteria are best stated in the book of Ezekie
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Actually, there is abundant evidence that the historical Jesus existed that is entirely apart from the records of the apostolic-era Christian community.  Much of the best evidence comes from detractors of the new Christian sect of Judaism, such as the Roman Jewish historian Flavius Josephus. \n\nIt seems clear that the historical Jesus definitely existed.  The degree to which this historical figure bears any resemblance to the very different portrayals of Jesus in different Christian traditions is a matter of personal belief.  \n\nYou may want to read books about the "historical Jesus," such as the famous classic by Massey.
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yes, historical documents show that many have seen Jesus. the Bible gives reference to this as well as a historian named Josephus, who wasn't a Christian but just wrote what he himself witnessed during the time of Christ.
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Jesus certainly existed - no serious historian doubts this (the handful of pop religion books on the topic notwithstanding.) There is plenty of evidence, written and otherwise - from the still extant ruins of Peter's house in Capernaum (Jesus' home base), to his mention (the second mention is not interpolation) in Josephus' "Antiquities", and Tacitus' reference to him.\n\nAs to the second coming of Jesus, none knows the hour, or the way. None of us should be confident we'll see it whether  we live five years or five hundred. It happens when it happens, in the way that it happens. "Stay awake", we are told, live an exemplary life. Every day is to be lived as though it were the dawn of the day of the Lord.\n\nAs Mother Theresa said, "Yesterday is past, and tomorrow is not yet come. We have only today. Let us begin."
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Nothing is really known about Jesus, including whether he actually existed.  All the stuff written about him was written decades after he supposedly died.
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Certainly that's possible, but why do you assume he was alive after having been crucified?  Why do you assume he was crucified at all, or that he even existed for that matter?\n\n...just because it's written in the Bible, a book clearly filled with outrageous myths and legends!?  \n\nIt isn't necessary to come up with complicated theories if you start with the presumption that the Bible is unreliable, and that we really don't know anything about Jesus as a result.
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he did. read the whole story. though i do not believe that he was god and not agree with its total concept of sacrifice and sin . and to say jesus was that is no different than  idolworship.
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I see your point, but it's not 100% accurate. You see, the Bible and God are inseparable. We believe it is the inspired, infallible Word of God. Basically that even though human hands actually wrote it, they did so using the exact words God was speaking to them so that when we reread it we hear God speaking directly to us as well. So while I see your point of worshiping a book as idol worship, I disagree when referring to the Bible because it is nor "just " a book - it truly is the Word of God. John even refers to that in the opening of his Gospel:\n\n"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it... The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." - John 1:1-5, 14\n\nSo as you see, John referred to Jesus as "The Word", which makes God 7 the Bible inseparable from each other.
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he's not--his resurrection was ripped off from osiris--oh you said history--jesus is mythology
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It's an interesting book of fiction, but it is factually absurd. There is plenty of real evidence of the biblical account of Jesus' life. I suggest also reading the book, "Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. It is very enlightening!
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According to the Bible, Jesus is God, and has always been God.  But in order to accomplish the salvation of man, He laid aside that right, and took a position that was less then God - that of His Son - and humbled Himself to God as His Father being obedient even to the point of dying on the cross.  Because of that, He was raised from the dead and returned to the position of full Godship with His Father.  (Read Phillippians 2: 6-11).\n\nIn the Jewish culture that Jesus lived, to term translated "the son of..." was a legal term that referred to someone who had all the rights and power of their father.  To refer to Jesus as "the son of God" meant the He had all the rights and power of God.  It is differrent that what we think of when we hear the English term "the son of...".  This is why during Jesus' trial before the Jews, when He referred to Himself as "the son of God", the high priest torn his garment and called him a blasphemer, because He made Himself equal with God.\n\nYou may debate all day whether or not Jesus was divine, but there is no room for debate over whether the Bible SAYS Jesus was divine.  There are hundreds of refers to His divinity in it.\n\nSo the answer is: Jesus, by claiming to be the Son of God, was claiming to be God.  They are the same thing.
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There is no ( or at the very least, precious little) evidence of a person called Jesus outside of the bible.  Xians will say Josephus mentioned him, but in fact, the only translation we have of Josephus was done by a christian writer in the 4th century...we don't have it in the original Latin.  And what is mentioned is very weak and open to interpretation and very likely was subject to interpolation.\n\nThe Romans were meticulous record keepers.  If Jesus existed, and had fostered the kind of revolution that would get their attention by threatening Roman rule, performing miracles, there would be copious writings about him from the Romans, and other sources.\n\nPaul the Apostle is agreeably the earliest christian writer, and he wrote probably a couple decades after the putative events.  Yet Paul makes no reference to a recently living Christ...and if you read his works separate from the rest of the NT, he seems to be writing of a supernatural creature who fought a battle, died and rose again in a spiritual realm, eons ago.  Paul went to Jerusalem to visit Peter, and yet he makes no mention of a pilgramage to Golgotha, or the tomb or any sites that would be shrines to a real person recently living, crucified and risen again ascending into heaven. Paul is bizarrely disinterested in anything relating to a real physical Jesus.\n\nAll other accounts, were written much later.  The earliest Gospel of Mark (by the way, it wasn't written by anybody called Mark, it is anonymous) couldn't have been written any earlier than 40-50 years after the events.  The Gospels all contradict each other as to Jesus life, miracles and death.  I recommend any of Randall Helms books on the New Testament and Gospels for a detailed overview of the problems.\n\nIt really is quite interesting if you are prepared to have an open mind about it.  Jesus, if he existed, was at best a wandering prophet/holyman/philospher.  We have lots of legendary heroes with stories about them, like King Arthur, William Tell...but we know they never actually existed.  I think it more likely he never actually existed, and was created as a "founding father" in the heroic tradition by the early church.