Which style is more effective overall: Gracie Jujitsu or Judo?
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Hmm,\n\nSurprisingly enough, even the most effective disciplines of submission wrestling eg Brazillian Jiu Jitsu (alongwith it's derivatives like Renzo Gracie Jiu jitsu, Machados Jiu Jitsu etc.),Sambo wrestling and catch wrestling (alongwith it's derivatives such as shootfighting, pancrase, shooto, CSW, RINGS submission fighting and Japanese submission fighting) have been very strongly influenced by Jigoro Kano's Judo.\n\nThe western world emphasises on BJJ being the "underlying secret behind MMA sucsess", while in Japan Karl Gotch's Shoot wrestling has trained men who defeat BJJ practitoners regularly. The fact that BJJ is "the ultimate form of ground fighting" is pure imagination. In fact, the most dominant fighting style of both the current and all times is (surprisingly enough) Amature wrestling (widely associated, in the US, with either Greco Roman or Freestyle). Check it out at http://www.sherdog.com/stats/upr_styles_current.asp (current ratings of fighting styles) and http://www.sherdog.com/stats/upr_styles_alltime.asp (all time ratings of fighting styles).\n\nIntrestingly enough, BJJ is "the ultimate method" in the eyes of an American, just as Sambo is the ultimate method in the eyes of a Russian, shoot wrestling is the ultimate method in the eyes of a Japanese, Muai thai is the ultimate method in the eyes of a Thai national and Amature wrestling is the ultimate spoiler in the eyes of most.\n\nListen, Mitsuyo Maeda (the teacher of the Gracie Family) was a prize fighter/judoka/catch wrestler from Japan. It's through his teachings that the art was born. BJJ owes it's very existence to Judo.\n\nAnd, let's not forget the Kimura-Gracie match in which Judoka Kimura defeated the legendary grandmaster Helio Gracie. Even  the unstoppable Rickson Gracie was stopped by the President of USA Judo until 2008, Dr. Ron Tripp. Plus, Hidehiko Yoshida seems to have taken it to Royce Gracie in the draw they had.\n\nThe thing is that when the time has come to test their skills against the best in Judo, BJJ has never been able to step up like Catch wrestling did (AD Santel, NWA lightheavyweight champ defeated evey judoka the Kodokan threw his way and was the self proclaimed World judo Champ from 1914-1921). By piting grandmasters against mere black belts is going to prove little for BJJ.\n\nAnd, Judo does'nt take all of eight years to learn like BJJ does. Plus it's recognized by FILA as the fourth form of widely practiced amature wrestling in the world.\n\nHowever, Judokas have never participated in MMA compared to BJJ or shoot wrestling practitoners. There have been very few "champion" judokas (I can only think of Naoya Ogawa at the moment, he's done pretty good though) who actually have stepped up to prove their craft in MMA. Even with the dearth of participants to represent the art, you can check out for yourself at http://www.sherdog.com/stats/upr_styles_current.asp the rating of Judo and Sambo/Judo.\n\nAnyways, Fedor Emelianeko practices Sambo/Judo, if a Gracie can beat him their craft will be proven to be the best. Until then, Oh well.\n\nAnd the most effective system, if you want my opinion, is shoot wrestling (any of it's derivatives will do, the main derivatives are shootfighting, shooto, RINGS submission fighting, Combat Submission Wrestling, Pancrase and Submission Fighting Japanese style. However in the US, you'll come across shooto and shootfighting the most). It does'nt take eight years to learn and covers lower body submissions, hard takedowns, takedown defence, kicks, punches and other aspects neglected by Gracie jiu Jitsu. The sucsess of guys like Frank Shamrock (knocked out Ceaser Gracie in what ?? 21 seconds), Kazushi Sakuraba (the Gracie hunter), Matt Hughes (about to bury Royce Gracie at UFC 60) and countless other world beaters is attributed to this style.
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I have been training in Judo for over 13 years. I competed in wrestling in highschool and usually won easily. Because of my Judo it made it very easy to naturaly to move around the matt and leverage my opponants. The wrestling also held my competitioin Judo giving me new ways to take guys down. \nBoth can compiment each other well. Just remember though in Wrestling you can't do most of the Judo throws or submissions so becarefull not to get disqualified.
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I am not going to use this forum to discuss why BJJ is effective or why it isn't effective either in real life situations or as far as UFC is concerned. Rather that do that, I will try to answer your original question and ignore your rambling philosophy (to which I agree to a great deal, actually).\n\nIt seems that in martial arts, just as in every other aspect of society, there are fads. In this, something grows extremely popular for a while due to many different factors, such as film, sports, or television, or something else entirely. \n\nIn the 70's "kung fu" (Chinese Boxing) was all the rage, then in the 80's, ninjas were cool, then enter the 90's with TKD gaining such popularity that now instead of just soccer moms, we also have TKD moms. These days, it seems that BJJ, Muay Thai, and MMA is the current fad.\n\nPeople who follow trends never stick it out to become life-long learners. People who are life-long learners shouldn't mind the fads one way or another anyway.
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Jiu-jitsu and karate are Japanese martial arts that focus on offensive techniques.  Tae-kwondo is a Korean martial art that is primarily meant for defense.
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while i agree muay thai is a very good art, i don't think any one art by itself is as effective as cross training in various forms. hence mma (mixed martial arts)\n\nin my humble opinion the best combo is muay thai and brazilian ju-jitsu\n\n most ufc, pride fighters train in those two as well as boxing and wrestling
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Judo is not stupid. You probably had a bad experience with those fighters b/c you had a bad experience, that's all. Judo has a freeform approach, where they give you a variety of throws, chokes, pins, and joint locks to work on, and you decide which you are comfortable with most and use it in competition. And b/c you compete ALOT in judo, ppl hone their skills pretty well. American judo is another thing though, since it is number two worst in the world (India is the worst according to Olympic statistics). If you were good a judo, believe me, you can hold your own. Fedor, Yoshida, and Patel are all good examples of old, retired judoka who kick butt in mixed martial arts competitions. Fedor is amazing too. BTW, brazilian jj and sambo are both direct offshoots of judo, and the techniques are the same. BJJ is just more stance driven that how judo is taught (discussed above) b/c it is basically judo geared for people who are smaller and weaker, and sambo is the exact same thing as judo (but called sambo for cold war political reasons) only sambo does not allow chokes. Judo is an amazing sport, but it is awful in America and I doubt you'll see any good judoka where you come from in your lifetime, unless you live in Russa or Japan.
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I am a Correctional Officer for a state prison. Most situations I encounter involve close fighting.\n\nThere are two styles that fit my needs best. \n\nWing Chun. It's perfect for fighting close to your opponent. Moves are direct and to the point. It's perfect for fighting multiple opponents. (It lacks ground fighting techniques and submissions)\n\nAikido. This is best suited for my line of work, although it's rather weak on striking and kicking.\n\nThe two combined are perfect for me.
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I have to say that Aikido would be my choice, though it is a mostly defensive art. You can perform offensive moves, but they are usually in response to someone else's aggression and normally in order to incapacitate the opponent/halt the attack; which again, makes them defensive moves. \nThere are some rather intricate kill-tactics employed by practioners of Dim Mak, which follows a series of meridians that control the ebb and flow of the body's energy and if employed correctly, cause series injury leading to death, but I won't go into those here.
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Boxing or kickboxing. Fewer moves and early sparring will yield faster results than the rest of the styles. Still, it will take dedication and hard work. The tough boxers didn't get that way without blood and sweat.
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The best one would be a style such as but not limited to “Jeet Kun Do” where someone has combined the knowledge he has acquired throughout the years and incorporated the good stuff into it and thrown out the ineffective. Then systematized it to create his own expression. It should include, grappling, some kicks/punches/blocks, locks and body conditioning and include some practical everyday self defense scenarios into the training.
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Tae Kwon Do\nno need for years of practice. \nmainly defensive\nnot extremely formal, but has uniform structure.
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Koshi Guruma (Pulling), O Soto Gari (Pushing) Ogoshi is nice, but  Koshi Guruma is more effective.\n\nYOu can find all the techniques onthis website:\n\nwww.judoinfo.com
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Muay Thai because its the funnest to watch,  you can knock people out with elbows, feet, knees, hands, shins, i've even seen people get kicked with the heel of a foot and go to sleep.\nor Ju Jitsu because its smart, its the perfect way to neutralize someone who is a better striker then you.
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bjj and muay thai everytime\nthats if you want something that actually works. if its just to look good,capoeria, aikido, wu shu, taekwondo.\ni use the general rule\n1 grappling/ground (bjj)\n1 clinch and take down (bjj and mthai)\n1 striking (muay thai)
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Belts matter in that they determine a persons skill level and dicipline. Just because your boxing is better than the higher ranked opponant doesn't mean your kicks or submissions are...\n\nI train in Judo for many years so when I got in to wrestling in high school it was easy for me to pick up on fast so I was beating allot of guys who were more experoenced than me. But when it came to the basics of wrestling I jad alot to learn.\n\nUse your skills to make what you are learning better. But don't think jst because you out struck a higher ranked opponant that you can do it again. Have respect for the higher ranks they will teach you a lot and be humble.
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Gracie JJ or BJJ can be considered an important piece in the development of an effective fight game.
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Tai chi is more spiritually oriented, which would attract those looking for a more artful style.\nFans, as a weapon, would have to sought out independently from dojo to dojo.  I've been to dojos that taught the same style, but trained only in a certain school or arena of weapon.