Have any of you seen the Aztlan video on the immigration watchdog.com?
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I found this and thought it was worth sharing.\n\nA retired border patrol agent shows some common sense. \n\nThis letter sent to Tennessee Senator Bill Frist from a retired border patrol agent, and it has more common sense than all the bull being spewed from the Senate, with the exception of a few sensible representatives. \n\nDear Senator Frist: \n\nThere is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran \naliens. \n#1. Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home \ncountries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment \nand their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price. \n\n#2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses \nand send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage. \n\n#3. Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 \nbillion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children. \n\n#4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents. \n\n#5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another. \n\n#6. The United States is welcome to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined. \n\n#7. There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote". Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end. \n\n#8. Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S. During World War II. Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren. \n\n#9. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to \nbreak the law and sneak into America, then let's al
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Yes, that movie does a great job of showing what life might be like without immigrants (legal or illegal).  It's such complex issue, and people keep trying to boil it down to simple right vs. wrong.  As in many situations, right vs. wrong depends on what side you're on.
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That the Congress is now wanting to give amnesty to all these people. I think there is a hidden agenda there and I think it will undermine the present midleclass. I live in AZ and see the jobs construction jobs these persons are taking that most of us couldn't live on. Now there is a push for minority small business owners, painters, stucco, roofing etc looking for bilingual persons to run crews of these people putting many of us oit of work.
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i went there and watched the video like 5 times.. i couldnt see anything unusual either lol\n\nthats weird.\n\ngood question though...... this is one question that is hard to answer :)
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The Southern Poverty Law Center and the ALCU are anti \nAmerican groups not unlike La Raza.All their agendas are the same.The downfall of this nation and our American way of life.I wouldn't believe any of the reports given by any of theses groups.They are liars and distort the truth to their own advantage.Its well know that the "spin" they put on things are never real facts.I am in favor of whatever it takes to stop the illegal aliens from finding comfort and aid here in this nation after entering it illegally.\nThere are laws Federal felony laws against aiding and abetting the illegal aliens.Perhaps those laws should also be enforced to the letter of the law.\nI don't want to see legal Americans of any nationality harassed,but if you are facilitating the criminal acts of the illegal alien then you are guilty also.\n\nThe federal government has reported that Georgia had the fastest-growing illegal immigrant population in the country. The number more than doubled from an estimated 220,000 in 2000 to 470,000 last year. This year, state lawmakers passed some of the nation's toughest measures targeting illegal immigrants
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Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_P-aYADTkw
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8918701386459002474
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My Grandparents came here around the 1912 or so.If you deleted anything concerning Illegal Immigration because of some misguided ideology that smells of media censorship. I broke no rules.What I have to say is for the access of anyone to use or not.This is not a private forum.Is it that you are feeling the heat because I tell the truth.Listen what I have said or not said is not the issue.We need to make people aware of certain questionable actions or half truths.This is one of last forums that host freedom of thought.Please tell me what was so offense that it caught your attention!
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ill continue my usual routine...\n\ni hope they have fun pushing their propaganda...this whole issue is REALLY about people who cross our borders illegally NOT all immigrants...\n\ndespicable...
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From the other side of the fence..... \n\n\nReceived from (Tom O'Malley) who was a Director with SW BELL in Mexico City: \n\n\nI spent five years working in Mexico. \n\nI worked under a tourist Visa for three months and could legally renew it for three more months. After that you were working Illegally. I was technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval. \n\nDuring that six months our Mexican and US Attorneys were working to secure a permanent work visa called a FM3. It was in addition to my US passport that I had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the \nsame except hers did not permit her to work. \n\nTo apply for the FM3 I needed to submit the following notarized originals (not copies) of my: \n\n1. Birth certificate for Barbara and I. \n\n2. Marriage certificate. \n\n3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation. \n\n4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation. \n\n5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least one year. \n\n6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indication I had no arrest record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was "a citizen in good standing." \n\n7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why there was no Mexican Citizen with my skills and why my skills were important to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on Earth" letter. It was fun to write. \n\nAll of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish and be certified as legal translations and our signatures notarized. It produced a folder a bout 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side and Spanish on \nthe right. \n\nOnce they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours accompanied by a Mexican Attorney touring Mexican Government office locations and being photographed and fingerprinted at least three times. At each location and we \nremember at least four locations we instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to obey their laws or face the consequences. We could not protest any of the Governments actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done we could legally bring in our household goods that were held by US customs in Loredo Texas. This meant we has rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the company paid. \n\nWe could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and under contract and compliance with Mexican law. \n\nWe were required to get a Mexican drivers license. This was an amazing process. The company arranged for the Licensing agency to come to our Headquarters location with their photography and finger print equipment and the laminating machine. We showed our US license, were photographed and \nfingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after paying out a six dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was never give a policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to hold it against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it you would have to pay ransom to get it back. \n\nWe then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of our FM3 as our ID number. The companies Mexican accountants did this for us and we just signed what they prepared. It was about twenty legal size pages annually. \n\nThe FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying more fees. \n\nLeaving the country meant turning in the FM3 and certifying we were leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets or liens) before our household goods were released to customs. \n\nIt was a real adventure and If any of our Senators or Congressman we
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good one pancha , they did them a favor ,lmao justify more law breaking whats next  they stole that car so that person could by a new one lol\n\n\ndon't you recall someones post on here this lady almost lost her  retirement  and had to pay in more taxes because a mexican was using her SS card\n\n\nyeah they will probably   be so stupid and keep waving that flag
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All I have to say is watch the video...\n\nSeems pretty convincing to me...but it leaves alot of open questions still...\n\nhttp://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main
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Congressman Tancredo is going to hold hearings on this, so I assume we will all hear more about it.  I think it is disturbing it was kept so secret here.  Apparently in Canada it isn't a secret at all.  They post the working group identities on their governmental web page.
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NOT I. Too many others in line trying to do it the right way. It is very insulting to those individuals from all countries including Mexico. And as proof that I am not a raccist, my wife is Mexican and El Salvadorian.There are other legal issues and problems that arise all from this one subject,but not enough time or letters to type it all. I love all people from everywhere, God bless you all in a way that is detrimantal to your survival, but don't cut in front of someone that wants to do it the right way and become a United States Citizen. I know there is more to it than that and I understand. But that is the biggest reason next to an even bigger one I will not talk about online.
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Come on do you really think it's Bush's doing? I swear the Democrates are hypocrite especially Hilary Clinton. Sean Hannity had a tape of her actually 2 one from months earlier slamming the illegal aliens and a recent one talking about how great they are. My whole problem with all of this is that they are here illegally, why aren't we out arresting them and sticking them on buses and taking them back across the boarder. They are out of control and if we allow them to stay we are just setting ourselves up for future problems. Riots because Gee if we throw a fit and protest then we get our way. What about all the ones over on the other side who are trying to follow our laws and filling out the paper work, is it fair to them. What are we teaching these people? I'll tell you, we are teaching them that it's OK to break our laws, it's OK to protest, well I don't agree, they need to be dealt with and taught that there is no tolerance to those who would break our laws and not follow our rules. I am all for allowing people into our great country, I love my country and I understand why they want to come here but it needs to be done the right way. If it isn't then it will set a president that we won't like and will not be able to live with in the long run. I want people who will follow our laws and respect them. So me that you will do the right thing then I'm all for you coming here.
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http://mexicanembassyinmiamithisisreallythesiteimnotlyingoranythingclickandsee.net
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I watched the video, so now i have heard two sides of the story. I am open minded so i was able to watch the video unlike some people who have answered to this question. I believe in the video, for now, but i will do more study up on the effects of AZT and about Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. I will not let the basic media fill my head full of lies when the truth is out there somewhere. People need to see videos like this to make them go "Hmm I wonder if thats true, i wonder if I have been lied to." and research both sides of the story, then, and only then, you should be able to state your opinion in a just manor.