If you don't believe Jesus died for our sins (as I don't), what did his death and resurrection show us?
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Assuming it happened; The resurrection was a learning tool to demonstrate that death isn't what we think it is.  It demonstrated that death of the body occurs but that Christ / Buddha nature / Spirit is eternal and deathless.
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There are too many reasons to believe that He DID!!\n\nReasons to believe in the Resurrection\n\n\n1 Corinthians  15:29-32 "Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?  And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour?    I die every day--I mean that, brothers--just as surely as I glory over you in Christ Jesus our Lord.  If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,  "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die."\n\nWas Jesus raised from the dead?  This is one of the most important questions we can ask, because if He were not raised from the dead then we have no hope after this life and we might as well just "eat and drink, for tomorrow we die."  \n\nJosh McDowell called the resurrection either a fantastic hoax or a wonderful experience.   Jesus predicted the resurrection before his death in Matthew 16:21:\n\n"From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."  \n\nHis purpose in life was to die for our hope.  He was seized, accused, mocked, tortured and whipped.  They ripped His flesh and they crucified Him.  Why would He do this?  Jesus was silent and no one spoke up on his behalf. He knew He had to die to carry sin upon Himself.   He knew He would be resurrected in three days to crush the power of death so that we would have the hope of eternal life.\n\nMatthew 28:1 "After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.  There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it.  His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.  The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men."\n\nMatthew 28:5 "The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified.  He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay.  Then go quickly and tell his disciples: He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you.""\n\nMatthew 28:8 "So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples.  Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped Him.   Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."\n\nSome people have a hard time believing this and have come up with alternate theories to explain the events that happened that day.  Let's take a look at the theories that have been proposed.\n\nAlternate Theory #1 - Jesus Did Not Really Die\n\nThe Muslims believe that Jesus did not really die on the cross, that he just passed out and was revived later in the tomb. There are several problems with this theory.  Many people saw that he was really dead.  Not just common people, but highly trained Roman soldiers were there to make sure that he was really dead.  They had no interest in seeing Him worshiped, and in fact a Roman soldier pierced Him in the heart and blood and water came out.  Pilot needed a certificate of death and four executioners had actually examined Him and declared Him dead.  The fact of the matter is that He really was dead.\n\nAlternate Theory #2 - The Disciples Stole the Body\n\nThe disciples had no thought of the resurrection.  They were devastated when He died and the last thing that was on their minds was for Him to be resurrected.  They were hiding from the Romans and the religious leaders, sc
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Jesus Christ's death on the cross for our sins. He paid the price for my sins and yours. He defeated death and opened the gates of heaven for all of us. That's how much He loves us!
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3)You wrote, "Our difference is in the interpretation of the data." If the 'data' states specifically, "Every man shall be put to death for his own sin,' how do you interpret that statement to allow for Jesus dying for our sins? It seems to me that your interpretation of Isaiah must be incorrect, or that 'every man shall be put to death for his own sin,' does not mean what it says, or Gd changed His mind somewhere between Deut.24:16 and Isaiah 53.....???\n\n1)You say 'no mortal man can atone,' so who actually did the dying on the cross? Gd cant die, so it was Jesus-the-mortal-man, and so all you have is a human sacrifice, which Gd calls an abomination and something He hates, in Deut 12:30-31!\n\nFOR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ISAIAH 53, see the BEST ANSWER AT:::\n\nhttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/;_ylt=AqACR_rSjfAqZek.PZv_OM0jzKIX?qid=1005123006794\n\nFOR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT LEV. 17:11, see the web sites i refer you to below.\n\n2)And Jesus being your prophet priest and king, i refer you to what i wrote below, all the theology of Christianity still flies in the face of what Gd already revealed to us through his Bible. Even a Jesus/prophet/priest/king still has not brought about those things the real messiah will do!\n----\nThe basic beliefs of Christianity about Jesus are against what the Bible says, and so Real Jews cannot believe in Jesus at all.\n\nThe Christian understanding is that the Messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin.\n\nBut we are taught in our Torah that no one can die for the sins of another. In Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically says this:\n\nDeuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not \nbe put to death for the children, neither \nshall the children be put to death for\nthe fathers: \nevery man shall be put to death for his \nown sin (eesh b’chet-o yumatu).\n\nIn Exodus 32:30-35, Moses tries to offer himself to atone for the sins of the people. To be written out of Gd's book, means to be written out of the Book of Life, which means Moses was asking to die for the sins of the People. Gd's response is No, it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:\n\nExodus 32:30-35 And it came to pass on the \nmorrow, that Moses said unto the people, \nYe have sinned a great sin: and now I will \ngo up unto the Etrnl; perhaps I shall make \nan atonement for your sin. And Moses \nreturned unto the Etrnl, and said, Oh, \nthis people have sinned a great sin, and \nhave made them gods of gold. Yet now, if \nthou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, \nblot me, I pray thee, out of thy book \nwhich thou hast written. And the Etrnl \nsaid unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned \nagainst me, him will I blot out of my \nbook. \n\nThe whole of chapter 18 of the book of Ezekiel is about this idea, that no one can die for someone else's sin. Further, this chapter of Ezekiel teaches us that all we have to do for Gd's forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd will forgive us:::\n\n             Ezekiel 18:1-4; 20-24; 26-27 .....Behold, all \n             souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so \n             also the soul of the son is mine: the soul \n             that sinneth, it shall die. Eze 18:20 The soul \n             that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not \n             bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall \n             the father bear the iniquity of the son: the \n             righteousness of the righteous shall be upon \n             him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be \n             upon him. But if the wicked will turn from all \n             his sins that he hath committed, and keep all \n             my statutes, and do that which is lawful and \n             right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. \n             All his transgressions that he hath committed, \n             the
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when Christ died he took on the sins of every person, even those who were not born yet. He could do this bcos He was God and knew every person before they were born.\nIt's kinda like when Abraham offered a sacrifice for himself and all his descendants. He could offer a sacrifice for his descendants bcos they were in him. (his son was in him, and his sons were in him, etc.) So, when Christ died for those living at that time, we were included bcos we are their descendants and "inside" them.\nI hope this helps. If you have more questions, e-mail me at arb50@uakron.edu
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Jesus?\n\n\nIf Jesus died, he was not God.  Does a god die?\n\nIf Jesus died on Friday, undied on Sunday, what was the sacrifice? He sacrificed at most, just a few hours. Big deal!\n\nIf you gave to a charity on Friday and it was returned on Sunday,  what was your gift to charity?\n\nDeath = Becoming permanently dead, no life, no possibility of life.\n\nSacrifice = giving up something to help others, never to be returned.\n\nGod = Eternal, never being born, never dying.\n\n\nYou believe in this Jesus nonsense?  Why?
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Matthew 28:5-7 reads, "The angel said to the women, 'Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay.  Then go quickly and tell his disciples , He has RISEN FROM THE DEAD, and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you too".\n\nLuke 24:45-49, reads, Then He, (Jesus), openend their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.  He told them "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and RISE FROM THE DEAD on the third day, and repentence and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem". - Here, Jesus reinstates it was he who was crucified. \n\nIf anyone also wants to read more about Christ's crucifixion and death & his ressurection, read the book "The Case for Christ", chapter 11.  You'll understand that Jesus died on the cross after you read Lee Strobel interview with Alexander Metherell, M.D.,PH.D.  Metherell uses his expertise as a physician to describe in vivid detail just what Christ went through, and how He died on the cross.  He leaves anyone reading his account convinced that Jesus did die on the cross and wasn't just swooned or faint from what he went through.
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Others have already answered the question of Jesus DYING for us.   But there's another major piece you seem confused about.  You say:\n\n"He suppose to survive to help you clean all your sin, not to kill himself and runaway from helping you if he is a god."\n\nIt looks like you missed the END of the story.  \nIn the Apostles Creed (the simple summary of the Christian faith used by Christians around the world) we declare:\n\n"on the third day he rose again from the dead..."\n\nJesus did not die and disappear.  To FINISH the work he ROSE from the dead and was exalted to reign at God's right hand.   (And, by the way, it was NOT just that "his spirit went to heaven" as some say.  No, it was a BODILY resurrection.)   \n\nNow, reigning at God's right hand (until he returns for us), he represents us and gives us the the grace we need (Hebrews 4:14-16) to live new lives, no longer enslaved to sin.\n\nThis is not just some tack on.  It is at the CORE of the message.  Throughout Acts we read that the apostles went about preaching the RESURRECTION.  \n\nPaul summarizes it this way:\n\n"He was delivered up for our trespasses \nand raised to life for our justification [that is, our being accepted by God and declared RIGHTEOUS]"  (Romans 4:25)
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First of all, I apologize on behalf of Donald Shaw.  I thought his response to your question was absolutely terrible, and very un-Christian.  \n\nI was dismayed that, instead of sharing his faith with you and trying to bring Christ to you, he chose words that would serve no other purpose than to alientate you and push you away.   Trust me, not all of us Christians are like that.\n\nNow, in response to your question:\n\nGod can (and does) effect His forgiveness in any way He wishes.  He's God.  He can do whatever He wants.\n\nSo why did He have His Son suffer and die for our sins?  \n\nOne reason is that this was predicted in the Old Testament.  The OT speaks of a "suffering servant," a human Lamb of God who -- like the lamb sacrificed each year by the ancient Jews on the Day of Atonement -- would die for us and take our sins with Him. \n\nSecond, human nature being what it is, it's not enough for us to read something (like "your sins are forgiven") and then believe it.  We human beings need visuals.  We need proof.  For us, seeing is truly believing.  \n\nAnd seeing Christ suffer and die the worst form of execution in the history of capital punishment -- for us! -- is truly believing.  \n\nWhy else would anyone, let alone the Son of God, willingly put Himself through that?   He certainly didn't do it for nothing.  He definitely didn't do it for Himself.  \n\nHe did it to conquer sin and death.  And for those who believe in Him, that's what He accomplished.
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I think it's natural to want proof of the Resurrection.  It's just human nature, as Thomas showed us.\n\nJesus gave Thomas the physical proof that he was asking for.  Jesus also made it clear that it is better to not see yet still believe, than it is to believe only after seeing.
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Maybe Paul was mistaken into believing this.\nJesus died too, so his death could not have been due to his sins.\nCertainly Paula nee Saul, himself died so, he must have died due to his sins according to his belief.\nIf christians believe in this Generally ( the born agains are claiming exceptions, as they now claim to be saints.)\nThis is certainly a paradox for the christians to sort out.\nThe very reason is,that every time a christian die,then he dies a sinner.\nAccording to this verse , only the  SINLESS would live forever, and none, including Jesus, the Prophet of Nazareth (AS)himself have so far escaped death.\nMuslims reject this belief.
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Jesus died on the cross for every one of your sins. There is no sin bigger than another. One can gossip & another can kill someone, but in God's eyes they are all just sins. If you truly believe you are forgiven & turn then yes you will go to Heaven.
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There is, of course, no conclusive, CSI-type evidence that proves Christ's resurrection.  But consider the following:\n\nThose who felt threatened by Christ's resurrection (Jewish leadership, Roman authorities) were unable to produce a body to disprove the resurrection of Christ.\n\nThe fact that women are the first to find the empty tomb actually lends some credibility to the story.  A concocted story from first-century Judaea would not have placed women (who were not considererd reliable witnesses and who did not even have the right to testify in court) in such a prominent position in the story, because it would have made the story less believeable among contemporaries.\n\nMany people who knew Christ during his lifetime and who had witnessed his death sure didn't act like their rabbi was dead and gone.  On the contrary, Jesus's disciples behaved as though they KNEW that he was not dead - they risked their lives preaching the Good News.  Why would they all have done that if they knew it was a lie?  What's the point of dying for something you know to be untrue?\n\nDoes any of this prove that Jesus was resurrected?  No - and that proof will never be available.  The resurrection was, is, and always will be a matter of faith.  These are just a few thoughts to consider as you make your reasoned faith-judgment.
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Dear me.....Jesus who died for you is God in the flesh he has been a part of God forever and he is in total agreement with the father now understand a first born son could be 999 years old also understand that the passover happens today if you do not have the blood of Jesus covering your sins you are a dead man. Seek God and his word for understanding.God's nature is the same today yesterday and tommorow. It is righteous and merciful...God's righteousness demands we be perfect and yet we are not. It is the reason God willingly laid down his flesh to atone for your sin.
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My answer: Jesus died for my sins and gave me his free gift of salvation and eternal life. I accept that gift and choose to live my life for him. Even though my life isn't worth much it's all he asks of me. What an amazing God!!!\nP.s i'm sorry you seem to be such an angry person, gino ggg.\n    couple 2430 - you can't EARN your way into heaven' it's a free gift\n     donkey - being a nice person won't get you there!
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Sad to say, most Christians only focus on their salvation and thus concentrate on his death, or the celebration of a former pagan ritual, which they claim is his birth. \n\nHis death did give us a hope we didn't have before and he did tell his diciples to celebrate the Lord's evening meal in "Remembrance of Me."  \n\nEven though u admit that u don't believe in him or the Bible, it's ironic the affect that he has had on so many people considering he died almost 2000 years ago. I also agree with your statement that we should concentrate on his life and the words he spoke, because they are timeless and inspiring to this day. He gave us the golden rule, the sermon on the mount, the wonderful parables, and he taught love and understanding of neighbor. He astounded the crowds with his simple and yet powerful teachings and miracles. The apostle John even said at the end of his gospel that if everything that Jesus had done was recorded, the world was not big enough to hold all the scrolls of his deeds.\nSomething else u should note is that Jesus warned that not all who claimed to be his followers , would actually be true christians. This is recorded at Matthew 7; 21.
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God loved the world so much that He sent his son to die for you.  Jesus died so the world could be saved.  Jesus then proved His divinity when He rose from the dead.