Is reproduction moral?  (God's word doesn't make it so)?
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Not if you're doing it right.
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It's funny when we Christians respond to a question be it from an athiest or any other religion, the answers as we know them are called preaching. Our answers are based on what Jesus has taught, what He has said. Through our own research and studying we believe them to be acuurate facts or truths. Answering a question is not preaching, it simply answering a question in an open forum. It is sharing what we have learned, we do not expect everyone to believe or think the way we do, that is everyone's choice. The beliefs we have, have with stood the test of time, we see things that many others do not. We try to share what we have seen with others to bring comfort, and hope, to want them to see and experience the things we have, so that they can see what we do, for it is sheer joy and relief from things that we all suffer through. The only time I know a Christian will say something is wrong is when there is a question about behavior or the bible has been misinterpreted about a certain subject either due to not having the knowledge or on purpose. That is our place as Christians is to teach and share about God. I leave the preaching to the "preachers" whom are called by God to do so.  *****SPECIAL NOTE TO JONATHON***** Ask for proof? You got it. When my husband and I began dating he was diagnosed with Hepititis C. The medication that is given to put the virus to sleep is a cocktail of drugs, and very powerful. They affect people like chemo and radiation treatment do. Over the years, we have lost six or seven pregnancies, all but one were conceived during the time he was not on the medications. It is strongly advised against pregnancy while on the medication because of severe birth defects and the pregnancies have such a rare chance of going full term. We had miscarried time and again. The ever lasting affects of the medication complied with the length of time it seemed to stay in his body, coupled with our ages and the fact that with each miscarrage we were told it would be harder and harder to not only concieve but carry to full term. Now sitting here, after many heartbreaks, counseling suggesting either I get my tubes tied or husband a vesectomy to avoid getting our hearts ripped out yet again, I am seven and a half months pregnant, looking at turning 39 years old in September, husband 41, with a very healthy baby girl growing inside. Then amnio test comfirmed this. The laws of proabability were strongly against us, as were the laws of nature. Our pregnancy occured the old fashion way, no drugs, no invitro, no nothing from my OBGYN. My baby is indeed my husbands, and no chance of anyone eles's, I love him way to much to ever do that to him. My husband is a blessing from God, and now I am blessed with his baby. This child is our miracle. All done by God, we didnt do anything different that we had not done before, execpt stop being angry, worried and wanting, in prayer I turned over my desire for a baby to God, I told him that if it were His will for us to have a child together then so be it, if it wasn't then I would except it and move on. This answer to my prayer took six and half years to be answered. I learned through all this patience, God moves in his time, not mine. He knows more then I do, I had to trust him, and I couldn't do that being angry at him. When I learned the patience lesson and to trust beyond basic faith, I grew closer to Him and learned that He has good things in store for me but I wait for Him in His time, that He knows my future better then I do. We just bought a new house. I became pregnant in September, we closed on our new house in November. We had just started looking in September. Don't give up hope Jonathon. There is still some to be had. I know, I have been there.
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Although I am a Christian and truly believe that at the moment of conception a human being is created, I really struggle with this issue. So, after years of fierce internal struggles, here's what I believe.\n\nAbortion, no matter what the reason, ends a life. But I do not feel that you can legislate whether or not abortion should be legal. The decision to abort or not to abort is a moral issue, a decision that rests on the shoulders of the woman carrying the child. The consequences--if the woman chooses to abort--are between the woman and God. \n\nWhat needs to happen in America and around the world for that matter, is a massive effort to educate people with viable information that will prevent unwanted pregnancies. Prevention is our only hope.
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REAL Christians don't use that stuff, false Christians do. And if they are true Christians, they will want to have children("be fruitful and multiply"), but it is ok if they have that condition.
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That answer above is awful.  The Bible says thou shalt not murder.  A baby is innocent. It's only mistake was that it was born to a mother that didn't want it.  Wars which also include innocent people are not completely innocent.  There will always be killing when it comes to good versus evil.  Sometimes its for good reason and sometimes its not.  But a baby is not a war.  A baby is a human breathing life, not a fetus, a life.  Anyone who is a Christian and has an abortion isn't really a Christian at all.  Jesus called children precious.  He didn't call them fetuses.  He didn't call them blobs of tissue.  He said it was a blessing to carry a child and be parents.  I don't understand how any church that says its Christian can condone abortion.
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The Bible says that whatsoever the Church binds upon earth is bound in heaven. This obviously includes the immorality of artificial contraception. The "rythym method" hasn't been used by anyone in over 40 years. Modern Natural Family Planning methods are extremely effective, and morally sound. And interestingly, the divorce rate among couples who use such methods is 3%, compared to 40% among users of immoral means of contraception, and 75 to 80% among couples who abort a child. Sin never makes anything better.\n\nhttp://www.bygpub.com/natural/natural-family-planning.htm\n\n.
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The ingredients you find to rationalize your disbelief amuses me! Come on, dude, FLEAS!!!LOL that is your way of proving their's no God!? Weak proof at best. You should go back to the guy who put that into your head and slap him!!!LOL( just kidding, don't do that!) Appendectomies, right? Well I don't remember any of God's prophets killed from a lack of appendix surgeries! Yet God has always healed HIS CHILDREN who love Him. God uses such problems as the appendix to judge grown ups,yet things go wrong, and little children die, but isn't it better that they don't have to go on in this world but rather in a perfect world with their Father? Ohh yea, you believe that's it for the child, no chance, no hope, no love. Your beliefs sentence those children to nothingness and loss. Is that right? The "beef" as you say is in the Bible and you're starving yourself trying to devour the scraps dropped from Darwin's table. But his table is empty by Darwin's own admission. Darwin said "If one could prove that single-celled organisms can split then I am wrong." (I'm paraphrasing) And they can split as your precious science has proven. So why do scientists continue to back Darwin's THEORY? Because they would rather back a lie that they discovered rather than the truth that makes them useless. I'll tell you another miracle of God, friend. The miracle of God changing your heart, and that's the one that's harder than any other, but IT CAN HAPPEN if you'd let it.
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I don't think that this should determine or have any effect on the question of morality here.  The fact is that natural childbirth can cause tearing, sometimes very severe tearing.
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No Gods\nOnce, flipping through a book on child psychology, I came across a chapter about adolescent rebellion. It suggested that in the first phase of a child's youthful rebellion against her parents, she may attempt to distinguish herself from them by accusing them of not living up to their own values. For example, if they taught her that kindness and consideration are important, she will accuse them of not being compassionate enough. In this case the child has not yet defined herself or her own values; she still accepts the values and ideas that her parents passed on to her, and she is only able to assert her identity inside of that framework. It is only later, when she questions the very beliefs and morals that were presented to her as gospel, that she can become a free-standing individual. \n\nI often think that we have not gotten beyond that first stage of rebellion. We criticize the actions of those in the mainstream and the effects of their society upon people and animals, we attack the ignorance and cruelty of their system, but we rarely stop to question the nature of what we all accept as "morality." Could it be that this "morality," by which we think we can judge their actions, is itself something that should be criticized? When we claim that the exploitation of animals is "morally wrong," what does that mean? Are we perhaps just accepting their values and turning these values against them, rather than creating moral standards of our own? Maybe right now you're saying to yourself "what do you mean, create moral standards of our own? Something is either morally right or it isn't-morality isn't something you can make up, it's not a matter of mere opinion." Right there, you're accepting one of the most basic tenets of the society that raised you: that right and wrong are not individual valuations, but fundamental laws of the world. This idea, a holdover from a deceased Christianity, is at the center of our civilization. If you are going to question the establishment, you should question it first! There is no such thing as good or evil. There is no universal right or wrong. There is only you... and the values you choose for yourself. \n\nWHERE DOES THE IDEA OF "MORAL LAW" COME FROM? \n\nOnce upon a time, almost everyone believed in the existence of God. This God ruled over the world, He had absolute power over everything in it; and He had set down laws which all human beings had to obey. If they did not, they would suffer the most terrible of punishments at His hands. Naturally, most people obeyed the laws as well as they could, their fear of eternal suffering being stronger than their desire for anything forbidden. Because everyone lived according to the same laws, they could agree upon what "morality" was: it was the set of values decreed by God's laws. Thus, good and evil, right and wrong, were decided by the authority of God, which everyone accepted out of fear. One day, people began to wake up and realize that there was no such thing as God after all. There was no scientific evidence to demonstrate his existence, and few people could see any point in having faith in the irrational any longer. God pretty much disappeared from the world; nobody feared him or his punishments anymore. But a strange thing happened. Though these people had the courage to question God's existence, and even deny it to the ones who still believed in it, they didn't dare to question the morality that His laws had mandated. Perhaps it just didn't occur to them; everyone had been raised to hold the same beliefs about what was moral, and had come to speak about right and wrong in the same way, so maybe they just assumed it was obvious what was good and what was evil whether God was there to enforce it or not. Or perhaps people had become to used to living under these laws that they were afraid to even consider the possibility that the laws didn&#
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Its not so much wrong or right for me as in pure desire to have the baby my husband and I created.  Not the baby my husband and I and the doctor and the lab tech and the nurses created.  As a christian I want the baby God gives me, imperfections and all.  As a human I want the baby that we created with our own genes.  I will love that child no matter what.  Of course I want a healthy child, but people have been dealing with that risk since the dawn of time.  I can deal with it too.
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Simple answer:\n\nYou're question is too deep to answer fully in this type of forum, but I will still comment on the basics.\n\nLet me address a few things first. You're question was phrased rather negatively, as if this evil act (stillborn babies) was directly given by God. They are not. (From this point forward let's assume God exists and the Bible is His word so that things make sense at least in this thread).\n\nThe Bible says that God is all good and all powerful. So if evil and suffering exists (stillborn babies) why doesn't God stop it? Well, first off God can easily stop it. That much is obvious. The second half is less obvious.\n\nGod says He created adam and eve perfect, sinless, without suffering, in a perfect world, living in God's presence. God also gave them free will to either choose God or reject Him. They opted for the latter. Because of that man separated himself from God and was unable to return to Him by themselves (God fixed the problem by sending Jesus but that is a topic for a different post). Now God could have stopped them from sinning but that would have been pointless. Imagine being a parent and stopping your kid from rejecting you thereby forcing them to love you. That would be torture and would turn your kids into mere robots and slaves. God wanted people to frelly choose Him so He had to give the ability to reject Him and also to face the consequences of that action otherwise people would never learn from doing bad things (ie If I killed someone and then God instantly resurrected that person, I would feel no guilt or shame because my bad actions would have no consequences). To make a long story short we now live in a world riddled with disease and suffering because this is all the consequences of bad actions that we are forced to live with. These consequences lead to such horrible things like stillborn babies. \n\nDoes God want that? no. Will the baby go to heaven? In my opinion yes. Does God use even such a horrible event like a stillborn child to bring about an even greater good? In my opinion yes. Does that mean I know what that is? no. I believe it on faith just like every other believer in God, that even though suffering and evil exists, God uses it all to bring about even greater good. An example would include Jesus being beaten and spit upon and being crucified (this would be evil and suffering) and using that event to actually bring about the salvation of all mankind to whomever will believe (which is what happened).\n\nI hope this answered your question and helps.
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Wow, this is a sincerely loaded question. Okay, hows this answer? By your answer- why would he create females with reproductive organs that don't work? Or men with reproductive organs that don't work? These people can not recreate, so why create them? \n\nAlso, if sex is only meant for creation- and I have sex for the purpose of NOT wanting to create a child on that try, am I condemed? \n\nI won't say God did or did not "Create" Homosexuals. But he did create, maybe, the instances that make someone one sexual orientation over another. For example: why would God let a small child be abused sexually by a woman, making him fearful of women and in the end, a homosexual? \n\nMaybe the question should be" Why do I care if God created Homosexuals?" You shouldn't. Live your life- and you'll do just fine.
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There was a special about this on the Discovery Channel (or maybe it was History, I mix them up all the time) that used the question of the possibility of Jesus's mother Mary conceiving a child while still being a virgin.  They base it on scientific theory of course and not on a belief in procreation by a Divine source.  In the end, they came to a conclusion that it is possible, and has happened at some point in the past, although i can't remember if being a hemaphrodite was a prerequisite or not.
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Of course. It does not take a god to make one moral. Our human minds are capable of knowing what it takes to be a good person in society. Saying it takes a god is weak and it takes away from what a human can do.
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Morally? No-God permit this with the people. Until he changes things to a new way people were allowed to judge of earthy things just not the heart. it was a protection to the people.
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I would say no.. and I've heard an argument (zealots don't attack me, I've not looked it up, only heard it) that in the bible a man kills a pregnant woman and his sin is killing the woman.. that is his only sin.. not for the death of the child inside her.. which would suggest that in the eyes of God a pregnant woman is one person.
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I think perhaps God should make decisions like those. Medical Science is great and all but God has power over all things. Choose your child. From the mother's stand point what better way to die, than by giving another life. Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for a friend. (I think baby relatives count too.) From the father's stand point what better way to show God you totally trust him? A friend of mine was told about six months ago that she should abort her child because he would never breathe on his own, his skull would not be formed,his facial features would be distorted, and the child's brain would be in essence.... dead.Pam and Mike were basically told to kill their unborn child because a medical test "proved" it would be for the best. Rather than putting their faith in medicine they put their faith in God and  today a miracle happened. Pam gave birth to a basically healthly child. He is breathing just fine all by himself, despite some minor physical abnormalities he is a beautiful healthy child. Praise God for this precious life! If Mike would have put his faith in science, or Pam had chosen instead to have her baby aborted because something might be wrong.... well the world would have missed out on this brand new perfect life. The real question is not who can I save? But, in whom can I put my faith? You have no control over life or death, which means YOU can NOT Choose who lives. ie. If the father decides "choose" to abort the child who is to say that during the procedure the mother would not also die? It has happened. an abortion requires a serious, though minimally invasive, surgical procedure.It's called a Dilitation and Curretage more commonly refered to as a D&C.(not only for decicive abortions, a D&C is commonly done on women who have had a spontaneous abortion or miscarriage to prevent uterine infections)I personally have seen (working on a surgical floor) women who have nearly died from complications of this "minimally invasive" procedure.If you put your faith in God he will direct your path.