did socrates convincingly prove his case about the soul being immortal?
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He forgot to prove there was a soul.
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Sorry, no proof, nor ever will be.\nHebrews 9;27, As it is appointed unto men once to die, \nbut after this the judgement.\nI Corinthians 13;8a, Love never fails!!!
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A spiritual entity concerning which there hath been brave disputation. Plato held that those souls which in a previous state of existence (antedating Athens) had obtained the clearest glimpses of eternal truth entered into the bodies of persons who became philosophers. Plato himself was a philosopher. The souls that had least contemplated divine truth animated the bodies of usurpers and despots. Dionysius I, who had threatened to decapitate the broad-browed philosopher, was a usurper and a despot. Plato, doubtless, was not the first to construct a system of philosophy that could be quoted against his enemies; certainly he was not the last.\n\n"Concerning the nature of the soul," saith the renowned author of Diversiones Sanctorum, "there hath been hardly more argument than that of its place in the body. Mine own belief is that the soul hath her seat in the abdomen — in which faith we may discern and interpret a truth hitherto unintelligible, namely that the glutton is of all men most devout. He is said in the Scripture to 'make a god of his belly' — why, then, should he not be pious, having ever his Deity with him to freshen his faith? Who so well as he can know the might and majesty that he shrines? Truly and soberly, the soul and the stomach are one Divine Entity; and such was the belief of Promasius, who nevertheless erred in denying it immortality. He had observed that its visible and material substance failed and decayed with the rest of the body after death, but of its immaterial essence he knew nothing. This is what we call the Appetite, and it survives the wreck and reek of mortality, to be rewarded or punished in another world, according to what it hath demanded in the flesh. The Appetite whose coarse clamoring was for the unwholesome viands of the general market and the public refectory shall be cast into eternal famine, whilst that which firmly through civilly insisted on ortolans, caviare, terrapin, anchovies, pates de foie gras and all such Christian comestibles shall flesh its spiritual tooth in the souls of them forever and ever, and wreak its divine thirst upon the immortal parts of the rarest and richest wines ever quaffed here below. Such is my religious faith, though I grieve to confess that neither His Holiness the Pope nor His Grace the Archbishop of Canterbury (whom I equally and profoundly revere) will assent to its dissemination."
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Although I believe firmly in Heaven, it can neither be proved nor disproved.  I would suggest you take the tack in your debate that Heaven cannot be proved, and then discuss the principles of empirical science.  (You have to be able to reproduce something)\nof courtroom trials (you have to have a witness that has seen Heaven)\nof historical proof (enough people having experienced it who have witnessed it, and/or archeological evidence of it).\nThis would be the basis of showing that the existence of Heaven cannot be proved,\nYou might want, in your conclusion, to refer to the principle of faith in Hebrews 11:1, pointing out that if you depend on proof, there is no reason to believe Heaven exists.  If you depend on faith, that it is another matter altogether.  So then you can actually affirm that you believe in Heaven without coontradicting your arguments.  You can win the dbate and be true to yourself at the same time.\nEDIT:\nSo actually, when it comes to "proof", you don't have the short end of the stick. You've got it made.  All you need is to refute the proof. And apart from faith (which is perfectly valid), there is no proof.
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I do believe in an afterlife, but assuming heaven did not exist, then, yes I believe humans would create a belief in one for comfort and expectation of a new life to come.  I could even go as far as to say the mind is a powerful thing, powerful enough to even create supposed proof of afterlife by communicating with departed souls.  But, if the mind is that powerful, enough to falsely prove life exists after this one, isn't that power enough to say something bigger is going on here.  It points to the path the soul does live on, in my opinion.
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I don't believe in individual people having individual souls.... \n\nBut to some extent I do believe that via some proxy, the breach of the conscious / subconscious divide in the dreamscape can in fact be spread across the boundary between people as well. \n\nI mean.. do you think computers have souls in order to send data via the Internet? ...
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I would have to believe in it's existence if it's actual proof.  Since you specify the Christian God in your question, I would still reject the offer of everlasting life.  This God doesn't deserve my company.  I would refuse on moral grounds.
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:}  No one can know anything for a fact beyond any doubt..\n\nEven our very senses fool us. There are dreams and mirages. We’ve all thought we heard saw or smelled something that was inaccurate.\n\nThoreau in Walden Pond, Presented the idea that we could know that we exist because if we did not we could not question whether we did or not.\n\nHaving established that nothing, beyond perhaps our own existence, can be established with absolute certainty, we must proceed to behave as if those things for which there is significant evidence, in fact exist and work as the evidence would suggest they do.\n\nWhile this procedure at times will lead to error, for the most part it is necessary to pursue this line of reasoning, called inductive logic, if we are to conduct normal life functions.\n\nIs there a god?  I use the same process. So for my purposes Yes, as far as my data goes in allowing  me to analyze the information, the preponderance of evidence suggest that God is a certain fact.  \n\nThen using the scientific method it simply remains to see if the predictions I make based on this hypothesis come to be\n\nAnd they have.\n\nI'm 100% sure \n\n\n\nOne additional fact \nMy salvation depends less on my faith than on his faithfulness!
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None taken, it is an honest question. I agree with gratvol and would like to elaborate with a question. Where in the entire Jewish lineage, with all its copius notes, did the Torah move from actual people to storybook characters? Because the record is precise and repeated, then these were actual people that lived.\n\nThe simple fact that you even asked the question is your proof. Think about it. You have a physical machine called a body that is able to use its mind to ponder the question, relay visual information from a physical world of comparable low-tech computers through the optic nerve, into the brain, with the mind to comprehend the ramifications, then transfer that thought process to an incredibly complex systems of nerves, tendons, and touch to the fingers to type the letters. This then communicates a question of the soul. That soul is concerned for the existence of an eternal destiny beyond time and space--that there is a world beyond the physical world we see in the here and now. You are an incredible creation who has been given the free will choice to believe, or not believe. A being that can love, write poetry, paint or play works of incredible complexity and beauty. To smell, and taste, enjoy. \n\nThe existence of God as well as the Bible being the Word of God (hence the existance of Adam and Eve as well) can be proved through the vehicle of prophecy. To see the evidence of this, we must first establish the fact that God is a spirit who dwells outside of our physical time domain--that is, in eternity. In the Bible, God describes Himself in Isaiah 57:15,  \n\n"For thus says the High and Lofty One Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: 'I dwell in the high and holy place, with him who has a contrite and humble spirit.'" \n\nIf God dwells in the realm of eternity as the Bible states, then He must be able to declare future events as if they had happened in the past. We who live in the physical restraints of time and space have the disadvantage of seeing the world according to a timeline. But God sees the past and the future as one complete picture. \n\n"Remember the former things of old, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure,'" Isaiah 46:9-10 \n\nSo through the vehicle of prophecy, God throws down the gauntlet to all the other "holy books" and all the other "gods" that dare to claim the title. The God of the Bible challenged in Isaiah 41:22-23, \n\n"Let them bring forth and show us what will happen; let them show the former things, what they were, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare to us things to come. Show the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods; yes, do good or do evil, that we may be dismayed and see it together." \n\nOK, there is the challenge from the God of the Bible. No other book contains prophecy that has been fulfilled with accuracy. Some would say that others twist scripture interpretation to make prophecy "appear" to be fulfilled. A silly notion, seeing that so many of these prophecies (that were fulfilled to the letter) were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls--written many years before fulfillment. I have written one study based on one chapter in Daniel. In it can be found 16 in-depth prophecies regarding the rise of Alexander the Great and the subsequent rule of his generals afterward. I have paralleled the prophecy with the fulfillment from historic literature. You can find the study here http://tinyurl.com/lhwnb
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We need to distinguish between Mind and Soul.  The mind is indeed a function of the brain, and the Soul is mostly indistinguishable from it while the brain is functioning.  We therefore leave open the question of whether the Soul is something quite apart, which can exist without the physical "housing" of the brain.  I personally think it is something different, and does exist apart from any physical structure, but my reasons are all spiritual/religious, and not in the least scientific.  The most scientific analogy is an idea or a concept, perhaps an archetype.  They clearly exist outside of any physical structure, and I believe the soul does, too.  My real question is whether it is an individual soul, and therefore there are billions of them, or whether we share souls at a higher dimension/level than we normally perceive.  The jury is still out on that one.
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An “Immortal Soul”?\n\nThe movement teaches non-Biblical doctrines that long have been taught by sects of Christendom. One is the idea that man has an “immortal soul” that will suffer in “hellfire” if man is not saved. But the Bible does not say that an “immortal soul” lives on to receive rewards or punishments. Rather, it says just the opposite. It says the soul dies.\n\nOpen your Bible to Ezekiel 18:4. There, according to the King James Version, you will not read that the sinning soul goes into “hellfire.” Instead, it says: “The soul that sinneth, it shall die.” See also verse 20.\n\nAccording to the Bible, the dead could not be suffering in “hellfire.” The Bible specifically says, at Ecclesiastes 9:5: “The dead know not any thing.” Verse 10 of the same chapter adds: “There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.” Psalm 146:4 says of the day a man dies: “In that very day his thoughts perish.”\n\nIf the dead know nothing, and have no thoughts or knowledge, they obviously could not be suffering torments or pain, as the “Jesus people” believe.\n\n“Then what about the word ‘hell’?” you may ask, adding: “It certainly appears in the Bible!”\n\nBible writers used the Hebrew word “sheol” and the Greek word “hades,” which some Bibles translate as “hell.” But sheol and hades did not mean a place of torture at all. Instead, they simply meant the common grave of mankind—including men like Jesus who obeyed God. Yes, the apostle Peter applied Psalm 16:10 to Jesus, saying: “David speaketh concerning him [Jesus] . . . thou wilt not leave my soul in hell [Hebrew, sheol; Greek, hades], neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” (Acts 2:25-27) Surely none of the “Jesus people” will argue that Jesus went to hellfire when he died!\n\nIn several instances Jesus used the valley of Hinnom (Greek, Gehenna), Jerusalem’s community garbage dump, to symbolize the complete destruction of those who willfully disbelieve. No resurrection hope is held out for those “pitched into Gehenna” in contrast to those in the common grave of mankind.\n\nJesus was in Hades, which is mankind’s common grave. And the Bible says that there is “no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, Hades.” So he was out of existence in Hades, as was the evildoer.—Eccl. 9:5, 10.\n\nThen, on the third day from his death, God raised Jesus from the dead as a mighty spirit creature. But the evildoer was not raised; he stayed in the grave.—1 Pet. 3:18.
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A good question. There is as much *** proof *** of his existence as there is for all the other deities and pseudo deities.\n\nNote the word *** proof *** here meaning "not what some mortal scribbled down in parchment a few hundred years AFTER the alleged fact, THEN had it translated - several times - interpreted and re-written."
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it means that when you die, your eternal, immortal soul will live on!
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it goes against those who say we don't exist, life is meaningless, or that we cannot know, the skeptic i believe. knowing something implies that we must have life. or is dependent on the fact that we must be alive to know. Similar to the cartesian (descartes) who said I think therefore i am. \n\nDescarte is absolutely certain that he exists because he thinks and experiences things. This absolute certainty is then used to prove we can know something. but this is descartes not nietzsche. I don't know who came first but they sound similar. He's not reacting against descarte he's just rephrasing what he said. I pretty sure he is reacting against the skeptic who's all spaced out hippie and is like maybe my blue is your purple and we're just beamed down manifestations of one being. \n\nI never read nietsche so don't know exactly what he was trying to say. have to read the whole section of the book to know exactly but that's what it sounds like. \n\nalso if we try to say that we know we can't know we destroy any value of knowing we can't know. obviously if we can't know anything then we can't know we don't know. You can just say maybe we don't know. which is kind of weak. \n\nsorry so confusing; hope that helped :^)
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there is no scientific proof as far as i know that soul really does exist.but many philosophers have plausible arguments in support of the existence of the soul.as far as our energy is concerned it simply changes form and gets converted to heat energy,chemical energy etc.
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Yes. Plants and animals have a soul. Why would humans be the only ones with a soul.\n\nGuess vegetarians are also commiting murder! \n"SAVE THE PLANTS"
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Actually, there is evidence that the 'soul' has a weight.\n\n21 grams ... see link below.