Are there scrolls from Jesus' time that have the teachings of other 'messiahs'?
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Check out these sites, I'm sure you will find them fastinating if you are interested in sacred texts.\n\nhttp://www.gnosis.org/library.html\nhttp://davidwiley.com/religion.html\nhttp://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/intro.html\nhttp://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm\nhttp://www.avesta.org/avesta.html\nhttp://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/herm/index.htm
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Actually, there are other references too.  Historical documents exist to suggest other versions as well.  Other gospels, like the gospel of Thomas, the gospel of Mary Magdalene, the gospel of Judas, etc. including the Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John were all written decades after Jesus' death and were not actually written by the named induviduals.  They were marketing tools for the new Christian religion aimed at converting the pagan nonbelievers.
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13: And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, \n14: And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: \n15: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; \n16: And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. \n\n\nWhat it says is:\nJesus went to Jerusalem when it was passover.  There were people in the temple selling things such as sheep and oxen, and there were people that exchanged money for people.  Jesus chased them all out and said the temple was his father's house, and you shouldn't sell things there.\n\nPretty straight forward!  I quoted the King James bible.
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well since you probably cannot afford TheTorah Scroll. since they are very expensive. i would not recommend you purchase any of their altered versions. since after readiing TheTorah, and some other origional scrolls. i can tell theirs have been altered. and it is against TheCommand of G-D, to alter anything in scripture, or use any altered scripture.
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perhaps not in the way the modern Christians think. however, there were several Prophets of THE PEOPLE who talked to various tribes of THE PEOPLE talking about the same basic concepts JESUS did. such as the PEACE-BRINGER who talked to the Five Civilized Tribes and Hiawatha ( who actually existed ).
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There are none.  This  is why christinity can be seen as a culmination of many things prior to it.  Of course Orthodoxy has attempted to maintain that Christianity is unique.  However any one who studies some ancient history soon comes to the conclusion this is untrue.\n\nWith the Qumran dead sea scroll and naghammadi texts we find this originality is even further eroded.  We are finding those teachings that orthodoxy has clung on to as a sign post of originality (within christianity)often date back centuries before Christ was even born. For instaqnce the concept of turning the other cheek was once thought to be "unique." This was as it simply was not found in Judaism until Christ.  The dead sea scrolls have shown this and many other "christian" concepts are found in writing upto 300 years prior to Christ (in Essene texts..which is non main stream Gnostic Judaism)\n\nHowever the fact that Christianity is not "original" does not detract from its overall message, or negate the physical existance of Christ.  In any way.
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this 1 prophecy in Isaiah\n\nIsa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.\n\nim more sure that Jesus is the messiah than im sure that i am sitting in front a computer.
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It is quite obvious that most of the people that replied to this really don't know what Messianic Judiasm is.  A person who practices Judiasm is someone who does not believe that Christ is the Messiah.  Jewish people recognize that Christ existed but like I said don't believe that he is the Messiah/Savior.  They are in fact still waiting for their Messiah.  On the other hand, A Messianc Jew is someone who practices all the same rituals of the Jewish faith BUT they ALSO believe that Christ IS the Messiah.  Bottom line, is that they are Christians who still practice the rituals(laws) of the old testament  but they believe that Christ is in fact their messiah.  Now, having said that, ANYONE can be a Messianic Jew as long as you have both of these elements.  You do NOT have to have been born a Jew.  The openly embrace anyone who has come to this realization.  It requires a great deal of study of the old testament (which they do so lovingly) and they embrace the traditions of Hanukkah.  Christmas is rejected not because they don't believe that Jesus (Jeshua - Hebrew name for Jesus) was the messiah, (because they DO), but because Christmas is really a pagan holiday.  It's a made - up holiday, who's origins really have nothing to do with Christ at all, and because they believe it's totally against God to do anything outside of the bible.  Christmas as we know it is not even mentioned in the bible.  Christmas trees, ornaments and all the fluff and stuff of Christmas they feel is a slap in Christ's face.  They believe that most people who "practice" Christmas don't even THINK about Christ and do it only for the exchange of gifts. And most of us reading this, know that to be exactly the case.  In fact, it's highly doubtful that Christ was even born in December.  Many scholars believe that His birthdate was actually around early September.  In any case, the Messianic faith is a BEAUTIFUL blending of old Jewish traditions/laws from the old testament AND that Jesus (Jeshua) is LORD/SAVIOUR and Messiah.  I know because my brother and his family have practiced this faith for many years.   I am a born again Christian myself and my brother has greatly taught me a lot about the old testatment and the festivals.  It was on his heart to do so as well.   He came to this realization while as a Christian he began studying the old testament at great length and in particular the mosaic laws.  Christian faiths alone don't practice all the festivals because they have interpreted the bible to read that once Christ was given it negated the need to live by the Mosaic law from the old testament.  Messianic jews interpret the bible differently in that the Messiah's coming did NOT mean that you didn't need to still continue the laws and practices from the old testament.  If it's in your heart to follow these laws/practices, then do so.  G-d in fact may be tugging at your heart to do so.  My brother found great joy in this, lived it every day of his converted life and praised the saving grace of Jesus (Jeshua) to anyone that would listen.  Continue to study on your own and the Lord will lead you to exactly where He wants you to go.
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nope. there are quite a few false "gospels" that different sects like the gnostics wrote that are not in accordance with the rest of the Bible. its interesting historically and teaches us more about these sects, but it doesnt mean that it was ever part of maintstream Christianity or that its true. the gospel of judas sounds like pretty typical gnostic stuff- the flesh is bad, the spirit is good, judas was helping Jesus get rid of the bad flesh, only certain special people get special knowledge... nothing particularly new, just dealing with judas.
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Kabbalists have been finding mystical messages in the Hebrew scriptures for centuries.\n\nMore recently, "The Bible Code" has claimed to find all sorts of prophetic messages about current events "encoded" in the Bible.\n\nThe Bible Code has been pretty thoroughly debunked by demonstrations that remarkable prophesies can also be pulled out of "Moby Dick".  It seems that given enough words, you can put together just about anything you want.
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No I haven't-wanna give me a summary??  Sounds interesting.  Is it based on the new Dead Sea Scrolls they found??
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the bibles states that our savior is jesus christ and that he has come to earth once and will come again.  the quran doesn't believe that jesus was the messiah, he was just a prophet.  I think....
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It depends. I spoke to our Parish priest about that, (^_^) and he said that it was INSPIRED in the prophets who wrote it, so in reality it was not really what Jesus exactly says (or said).\n \n(^_^)
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Messiah does not mean messenger. I just love people who dont know Hebrew, dont know Judaism, writing as if they are experts.\n\nNo, there is no one that i have in mind who comes close to the description:::\n\nTHE MESSIAH IN JUDAISM:::\n\nHow have we Jews, who invented the term, always defined the term Messiah?\n\n1)The Messiah is born of two human parents, as we said.\n\n2)The Messiah must trace his lineage through his human biological father, back to King David (Isaiah 11:1,10; Jeremiah 23:5; Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:21-28; Jeremiah 30:7-10; 33:14-16; and Hosea 3:4-5)\n3)The Messiah traces his lineage only through King Solomon, and cannot be adopted into the Royal line (II Samuel 7:12-17; I Chronicles 22:9-10)\n\n4)The Messiah can not trace his lineage through Jehoiakim, Jeconiah, or Shealtiel, because this royal line was cursed (I Chronicles 3:15-17; Jeremiah 22:18,30).\n\nFurthermore, according to the Jewish definition of the term, the Real Messiah will make changes in the real world, changes that one can see and perceive and be able to prove because these changes take place in the real world. It is for this task that the real messiah has been anointed in the first place, hence the term, messiah -- one who is anointed. These changes, that one will be able to see and perceive in the real world, include:\n\n1)The Messiah is preceded by Elijah the prophet who, with the Messiah, unifies the family (Malachi 4:5-6)\n\n2)The Messiah re-establishes the Davidic dynasty through the messiah's own children (Daniel 7:13-14)\n\n3)The Messiah brings an eternal peace between all nations, between all peoples, and between all people (Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-4; Ezekiel 39:9)\n\n4)The Messiah brings about the universal world-wide conversion of all peoples to Judaism, or at least to Ethical Monotheism (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Zechariah 8:23; Isaiah 11:9; Zechariah 14:9,16)\n\n5)The Messiah brings about an end to all forms of idolatry (Zechariah 13:2);\n\n6)The Messiah brings about a universal recognition that the Jewish idea of Gd is Gd (Isaiah 11:9)\n\n7)The Messiah leads the world to become vegetarian (Isaiah 11:6-9)\n\n8)The Messiah gathers to Israel, all of the twelve tribes (Ezekiel 36:24)\n\n9)The Messiah rebuilds The Temple (Isaiah 2:2; Ezekiel 37:26-28)\n\n10)There will be no more famine (Ezekiel 36:29-30)\n\n11)After the Messiah comes, death will eventually cease (Isaiah 25:8)\n\n12)Eventually the dead will be resurrected (Isaiah 26:19; Daniel 12:2; Ezekiel 37:12-13; Isaiah 43:5-6);\n\n13)The nations of the earth will help the Jews, materially (Isaiah 60:5-6; 60:10-12;\n\n14)The Jews will be sought out for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23);\n\n15)All weapons will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9,12);\n\n16)The Nile will run dry (Isaiah 11:15)\n\n17)Monthly, the trees of Israel will yield their fruit (Ezekiel 47:12);\n\n18)Each tribe of Israel will receive and settle their inherited land (Ezekiel 47:13-13);\n\n19)The nations of the earth will recognize that they have been wrong, that the Jews have been right, and that the sins of the Gentile nations, their persecutions and the murders they committed, have been borne by the Jewish people (Isaiah 53)\n\nThese Biblically based changes in the world are very real, very perceivable, very noticeable, and knowable. The changes made by the Messiah according to Judaism are very provable.\n\nThe changes made by the Messiah according to Judaism as read in the Bible have not happened yet. \n\nQuite simply, we Jews invented the term, “messiah.” When someone starts doing ALL of these things, then we will have someone in mind.............
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nope, not at all. jesus is not part of our theology or teaching. he might have (historically) been a jew who wanted to reform judaism, or he might have been a trouble maker who coopted certain mysitical jewish practices. but he was unimportant to judaism and he remains so.\n\nand btw, judaism does not teach that he was a prophet AT ALL.
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Flavius Josephus ?\n\n*he was a jew that lived around the time of Jesus ,they have an original manuscript that claims Jesus is the messiah.\n\n\n\n\n\n\nthis could be totally wrong*
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You may read the Gospel of Mark, for example here:\n\nhttp://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_PW3.HTM#GOSP.MAR.1.1