What is the reality of the fence described below, and does it even matter.?
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Given the broad variance in ideas & reasoning in line with fencing, i think it really doesn't matter!
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They certainly can.  The real question is will they?  There will be bickering but both parties have too much to lose if they stay at each others throats all the time.  Hopefully there will be some effort to work together.\n\nI agree with what you say we need to do about illegal entry.  It's easy to figure out that we need to stop it.  It is not easy to actually do it.  We are spending millions for the fence project which will only be successful if we have enough personnel on hand to patrol it.  Of course if we had security in that kind of numbers we would not need the fence.  The problem of illegal entry goes beyond a quick fix.  Politicians that tell us that it Can be done quickly and easily are lying to us.  To address this problem we have to consider the root causes of why these people are fleeing their own country and why they are coming here.  If you do that you will realize we have to begin with the major corporations, individuals, and small companies and farms that hire them.  Until we do that the fence is just an exercise in waste and futility.
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In general, it takes two conductors to make a circuit.\nThe electricity needs an 'in' and an 'out' door.(figurative)\n\nA standard cattle fence will not kill you under normal circumstances. It is designed to not kill.\n\nThere are so many variables in the possible circuit that was supposedly made here.\n\npressure, surface area, wetness of skin, voltage, current delivering capacity of the power supply, location on the body as related to the brain and heart, location on the body relative to the other contact point, resistance to ground, frequency, duration, voltage drop on current rise, interference of gloves/boots/clothing, et cetera\n\nSince reptile skin is drier than mammal skin (I think) and the animals corraled were larger, I expect the fence would be meaner than a standard cattle fence.\n\nI have sometimes freaked people out by making sure my shoes are dry, and I am not grounded in any other way, and touching  a single buss of a building panel. ≤277V AC 60Hz. Although this is surely not the smartest thing ever done, one cannot even feel it.\n\nThere is a way that you could get blasted by a single conductor, but I will not confuse the issue too much more by explaining it fully. Unless you ask.\n\nIn summary, it would be very possible to have a wide range of outcomes, from death to not even knowing, in my opinion.\n\nIf you like math and science:\n\nthe best simple equations would be:\n\nE=IR\nVoltage(volts) equals current(amperes) times resistance(ohms)\n\nWhere most of the variables listed above affect resistance.\n\nH=I^2Rt\nheat(joules) is equal to current(amperes) squared times time(seconds)\n\nThe heat of vaporization of water is ≈40,700j/mol\nYou also have to figure in the temperature rise from 37C to 100C\nIf you boiled a mole (18cc) of water it would expand to a volume of greater than 22.4 liters right, ouch. (since this volume is based on standard temperature)\n\nHow much heat was generated, across what volume of cellular mass(water)?\n\nHeat destroys cells by bursting(boiling) them, later, given sufficient energy, the charring starts(even if it seems instantaneous). Of course, if your heart stops, or you lose some other critical brain function, or if you fall badly, it would not even have to go that far to kill you.
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My main problem is 'entouring'  I presume that you mean surrounding but I can see no reason for it. If you already have a 5m by 5m square enclosure then why waste fencing going around the enclosed sides? If you do you have only 7metres length of fencing left on one of the box sides to bow out to enclose a bit of grass and it would be much more sensible to terminate the ends of your fence at the ends of one face of the box leaving an area for grazing which is that part of a circle with an arc of 22m and a chord of 5m length formed by the box.  Leaving aside the practicalities of the problem ( need for a lot of fence posts to get a partly circular fence - the fact that sheep are of finite thickness so can't squeeze through small gaps or graze in very thin areas ) then a circle of radius roughly 4.35metres almost meeting at the corners of one face of the box will do the best job.\n\nAh! - added later : \nso you need to solve simultaneous equations, something like  r*theta=7 and r*sin(theta/2)=5/2 \n\nThere's something in Euclid about the length of a chord which might be more direct but I can't remember it. \n\ntheta = sin(theta/2)*14/5  and you should be able to expand sin(theta/2) in a series involving theta\nsin(x) = x −x^3/3! + x^5/5! - ...... and solve aproximately or use some identity involving e^(ax) \n\nsin(x) = 0.5i*[ e^(ix) - e^(-ix) ]\n\nwhich leaves you solving for 10/14*theta = ie^itheta/2 - ie^(-itheta/2) . hmm \n- check out euclid or solve graphically to get r~=2.55metres, theta about 1.3725*2 radians.
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I don't know about the Border Patrol, however, I am dead certain that big business and Bush want to leave a 'hole in the fence'.  That is why they keep pooh-pooh ing barriers at the border.  Those would remain even when public attention is elsewhere, whereas staffing could drop easily over time.
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the guest-worker program and the fence
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It's all shadows on the wall, man, shadows on the wall.  We think it's the real thing, but it's not.  It's illusory.  The *real* world only exists in the pure forms of beauty, truth, and justice.
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Check out the link and start with that....use concrete underground or if chain make sure it goes deep enough to where they can't dig under.  I also like the idea of making the fences electric....very high voltage, this way they can't cut it (alot of ranchers on the border are having this problem right now...illegals cutting their fences, if it's electric they can't cut it)\nAnd it's NOT racist to want to secure your borders.
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is this the real world?
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If you're talking about treasuries, here are figures from the us treasury site.\n\nNumbers in billions:\nJapan                 644.2\nChina                 339.0\nUnited Kingdom 201.4\nOil Exporters      104.8\nCarib Bnkng Ctrs 68.2 \n\nThe fence has nothing to do with this....but the bad side is we'll spend money that does little to nothing to solve the problem.  The wall is not fully funded and is only supposed to go about 700 miles (of a 2000 mile border).
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You should have asked that prior to your release.  I hear there may be jobs building a fence in Texas.
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I know exactly what you mean. There is some sort of Muslim place right next to our supermarket and they have a big iron fence all around it. They put up a flimsey valleyball net but it is just for looks. They do not ever use it, it is to make us think they are just normal folks. That gate is kept closed and locked. It just has the most sinister feeling to it and there are never more thatn a few cars in the parking lot. I know good and well they are plotting and planning in there, and preaching kill all the Americans. They are just SO creepy, the cars sneaking in there at odd hours, the huge ten foot fence and gate, the phoney volleyball court,  wish the FBI would set up a hidden microphone in there. I am right near where the terrorists lived in s. florida and they are still here, still plotting the next attack.\n\nPeople are so naive, just listen to these answers. I have heard and seen the preaching of the Imams and they are openly preaching hate all Americans, kill all Americans, they do not beat around the bush, they are very open and tell everyone who wants to listen they believe that all Americans must die. They stand right up in front of auciences and say it and ask for money to plan the Jihad and they pass a basket and people, women who can't even show their faces, are putting a lot of money in the baskets they pass.\n\nMilitant Islamism is one of the fastest-growing movements in the world today. Like Communism and Nazism, Islamism is a brutal, coercive utopian movement – a politicized and virulent interpretation and implementation of Islam -- bent on nothing less than total world domination. \n\nIn fact, best estimates are that 10-15 percent of Muslims worldwide are of the militant Islamist strain. That means well over 100 million human beings are, to a greater or lesser degree, caught up with what amounts to the world's most dangerous cult.\n\n"America: Haven for terrorists," by renowned terror expert Steven Emerson, provides overwhelming evidence that America's ultra-lax immigration policies have allowed large numbers of known, terroristic radicals to set up shop in the U.S.A. \n\n"America's militant Islamic lobby," by Daniel Pipes, is a disturbing look at the hidden, radical loyalties of some of America's so-called "mainstream" Muslim organizations.\n\nI suggest some of you read up on this subject before you say that they are just nice people like us and we should not judge them.\n\nI AM TELLING YOU ALL THAT I HAVE HEARD AND SEEN AND BEEN TO MOSQUES WHERE THE IMAN IS PREACHING THAT THEY MUST KILL ALL AMERICANS AND PEOPLE ARE NODDING IN AGREEMENT AND GIVING LARGE SUMS OF CASH TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. It happens every day right here in the USA. There may be some muslim places that do not preach this but there are a great many that do it openly. It appears that people are unaware of this here.
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Well, you won't hear it from me.  In answer to your main question, if there WAS a connect between right wing and reality, you wouldn't have a right wing.  Or put another way, there are no reality sockets the right wing can plug into.  Not to to digress, but it also depends you how you define "reality."  War, economy, corruption and environment are very real, no matter what side of the ailse you're sitting on.
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LollZ, funniest thing I have heard all day! They need to get expert security like WWE Wrestlers or something! Gosh, they can't even buld a fence correctly!
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Haven't people seen on the news where the illegals are jumping over walls and fences? I can still jump over a fence lol. I'm going to go and jump over my neighbors fence right now, lol. You would need Border patrol every few feet to catch them by the feet and pull them down, lol. Does anyone know how many miles we are talking about? At night, its really not easy to see how fast they jump over, lol. Boy, and these are the people in charge of National Security, lol. Have they heard of the word "ingenious"? For human survival and desperation, a fence? lol. Sorry, I just can't stop laughing here.
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I didn't read your link (sorry, no time) but, I know when dealing with human beings and politics you have to deal with the worst and be politically correct.\n\nI've made my case here dozens of times, there is nothing wrong with the way border security is organized. They simply do not have the resources to do it all. Building a fence is not the answer, it's a waste of dollars.\n\nFrom all ports of entry, the desert borders, the northern border and by air, customs and border patrol need more people and technology to carry out their assignments.
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The walls are there so that the Gates have something to attach to.  If the Gate was there and the Walls weren't it would be like locking your car and leaving the widow open.