When was Christ Born? Note: The Shepards were tending their Flock!?
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history shows that he was born in june, the traditonal time of the census they retunned to bethlham to register for
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No, it was one of many pagan festivals introduced into the perversion of Christianity that was the catholic church. The best guess is that Christ was born around Purim, a festival of the Jews. This ties in with the enrollment/taxation Luke describes.
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It would be more correct to say: "Jesus was actually born in the year that is currently designated 4BC."  But you're right, He can't be born before He's born.  The problem is when historians were originally calculating Jesus' birth, they got it wrong.  The modern "correction" for this problem is to change the designations - BC (before Christ) is now BCE (before the common era) and AD (anno Domini) is now CE (common era).  This way, historians can retain the current numbering system while acknowledging that it is actually 4 years off.  The alternative, which would be virtually impossible, would be to redate every single document that has every been created.
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Followers of Jesus Christ.  Those who have been "born again".  Not by works, but through faith in Christ.
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THE ORIGIN OF CHRISTMAS\n\nIt was not until several hundred years after Jesus lived on the earth that people began to commemorate his birth on December 25. But that was not the date of Jesus’ birth.\n\nConsider the weather conditions at that time of the year in Bethlehem, where Jesus was born. The Jewish month of Chislev (corresponding to November/December) was a month with cold and rainy weather. The month after that was Tebeth (December/January). It saw the lowest temperatures of the year, with occasional snows in the highlands. Let us see what the Bible tells us about the climate of that region.\nThe Bible writer Ezra shows that Chislev was indeed a month known for cold and rainy weather. After stating that a crowd had gathered in Jerusalem “in the ninth month [Chislev] on the twentieth day of the month,” Ezra reports that people were “shivering . . . on account of the showers of rain.” Concerning weather conditions at that time of the year, the congregated people themselves said: “It is the season of showers of rain, and it is not possible to stand outside.” (Ezra 10:9, 13; Jeremiah 36:22) No wonder shepherds living in that part of the world made sure that they and their flocks were no longer out of doors at night when December came around!\nThe Bible reports, however, that shepherds were in the fields tending their flocks on the night of Jesus’ birth. In fact, the Bible writer Luke shows that at that time, shepherds were “living out of doors and keeping watches in the night over their flocks” near Bethlehem. (Luke 2:8-12) Notice that the shepherds were actually living out of doors, not just strolling outside during the day. They had their flocks in the fields at night. Does that description of outdoor living fit the chilly and rainy weather conditions of Bethlehem in December? No, it does not. So the circumstances surrounding Jesus’ birth indicate that he was not born in December.\n\nSo why was December 25 chosen? Some who later claimed to be Christian likely “wished the date to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the ‘birthday of the unconquered sun.’” (The New Encyclopædia Britannica) In winter, when the sun seemed weakest, pagans held ceremonies to get this source of warmth and light to come back from its distant travels. December 25 was thought to be the day that the sun began its return. In an effort to convert pagans, religious leaders adopted this festival and tried to make it seem “Christian.”\n\nThe pagan roots of Christmas have long been recognized. Because of its unscriptural origin, Christmas was banned in England and in some of the American colonies during the 17th century. Anyone who even stayed home from work on Christmas day had to pay a penalty. Soon, though, the old customs were back, and some new ones were added. Christmas once again became a big holiday, and that is what it still is in many lands. Because of the connections that Christmas has with false religion, however, those who want to please God do not celebrate it or any other holiday that has its roots in pagan worship.\n\nhttp://www.watchtower.org/library/w/2000/12/15/article_01.htm\n\n\n.
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Jesus \n\ndetails below!
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There was no such person as Yeshua ben Nazareb.  It is a fictional being, invented by committee 1700 years ago, a retelling of other "saviours" from other religions.  I'll borrow my own words from another posting:\n\nhttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ahd8J7EE5iH6xqL_.MlWehLsy6IX?qid=1006060402294\n----------------------------------------\nThe word "christ" is a corruption of the ancient Greek word "christos", or saviour, and that word is itself a corruption of the Hindu god Krishna.\n\nThere have been more than a dozen "saviours" predating christian mythology, most of them borrowing from each other. You'll also notice that their years of origin go east (oldest) to west (newest), following the "Silk Road" from China between 600 BCE (2600 years ago) until 200 CE.\n\nKrishna\nBuddha\nOsiris \nMithras\nDionysus\nHeracles\n\nAmong many others. Most were born shortly after the winter solstice (Dec. 22), most were born to virgins screwed by a "god", and most "suffered" before they "died" and "went to heaven". \n\nIt's the same stupid fairy tale, regurgitated and retold with local bits added on as it went place to place.\n----------------------------------------\n\nHere's question you won't have an answer for: If you jeebus was such a troublemaker in the land of Palestine, why do the Roman's written records of their occupation make no mention of such a person nor do the dozens of writers from that time, whose words we still have today (eg. Pliny the Elder), not make any mention of such a person?\n\nNobody talked about "jeebus" because "jeebus" wasn't there.  No such person ever existed.
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" Any record of the date of birth of Yeshua of Nazareth (later known as Jesus Christ) has been lost. There is sufficient evidence in the Gospels to indicate that Yeshua was born in the fall, but this seems to have been unknown to early Christians. By the beginning of the 4th century CE, there was intense interest in choosing a day to celebrate Yeshua's birthday. The western church leaders selected DEC-25 because this was already the date recognized throughout the Roman Empire as the birthday of various Pagan gods. 1,2 Since there was no central Christian authority at the time, it took centuries before the tradition was universally accepted."\n\nhttp://www.religioustolerance.org/winter_solstice.htm
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Note: ECCLES.7:1 = "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth."\n\nCHRISTMAS\nChristmas isn't Jesus's birthdate; it was the birthday of the sun god. Scripture doesn't mention Jesus's birthdate or any christians celebrating His Birthday. The only birthday mentioned besides Pharoah is the heathen king Herod. "Christmas" means "mass of Christ"; the celebration coexisted in Rome before there was any in Jerusalem. The early Roman Church however did establish a pagan festival that (Jer.10) coexisted with Jesus's Birth and that was the birthday of the sun god. (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th ed., article: "Christmas"). The Catholic sources admit that Christmas didn't co-exist with the earliest festivals. Jesus wasn't born Christmas; even scripture makes this evident. "On the night of Jesus's birth, the shepherd's were still keeping watch over their flocks." (Luke 2:8). The rainy season in Ancient Israel began after the Feast of Tabernacles which generally is early October. In November, it would be cool and wet; the flocks from the pasture had already been brought and kept in winter quarters by the shepherds. This tells us the shepherds were no longer in the fields at night. Another peice of evidence is overlooked is in Luke 1:35-36; it tells us John the Baptist was born to Mary's cousin Elizabeth six months before Jesus. And as we look further in verse 5-17, we see Zacharias an elderly priest burning incense on the altar and then an angel appearing to him and telling him that he and his wife would have a son to prepare Christ's Way. We know however when this announcement was made by the angel because of Zacharias was "of the course of Abijah" Please look at 1Chron.24:1-19; it tells us that King David divided these priests into 24 "courses" that served in the temple by rotation. The Course of Abijah would be the 8th of the 24 courses which usually would occur around the end of May. Pentecost came the week after the 8th course served and he had to serve all 24 courses during the three festival seasons. So Zacharias came home approximately after the first week of June; in which John the Baptist was conceived around mid-June and 9 months later would be his birth. John Baptist's birth came around mid-March while Jesus's was around mid-September. Also notice every year people claim 3 wise men seen Jesus in a stable; is this really true? The Bible nowhere states "3 wise men" or "that the wise men visited Jesus in a stable". Read for yourself: (Matt.2:11); these Magi came from the east beyond the Euphrates River which in the 1st century was called the Parthian Empire (the eastern border of the Roman Empire). Several weeks after Jesus's birth, the Magi arrived in Jerusalem, the king's palace searching for Jesus. The "star" in the east led them to take their trip to Judea. After hearing about the timing of the "star's appearance" from the Magi; King Herod ordered the slaughter of all children two years and younger(Matt.2:16). When Jesus was 40 days old: His parents presented him in the temple (Luke 2:22)(Lev.12:2-4). After the Magi came, the family fled to Egypt. {Jesus six weeks old.}\nWHEN WAS JESUS'S BIRTH?\nhttp://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/magazine/tw-mag.cgi?category=Magazine33&item=1104261794\nhttp://family.webshots.com/photo/1342393463049373547FazWzQ\n****************************************************************\nHow Christmas came about. Is it related to Valentine's?\nVALENTINE'S (CUPID)\nCENTURIES BEFORE CHRIST, THE PAGAN ROMANS CELEBRATED FEBRUARY 15 & THE EVENING OF FEBRUARY 14 AS AN IDOLATROUS & SENSUOUS FESTIVAL IN HONOR OF LUPERCUS, THE "HUNTER OF WOLVES". THE ROMANS CALLED THE FESTIVAL "LUPERCALIA"; CUSTOM OF EXCHANGING VALENTINES & OTHER TRADITIONS TO HONOR LUPERCUS, TH
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According to our calendar system Jesus was born in 4 B.C. and died in 30 A.D. at 33 years old.\nOriginally thought to be at year 1 A.D. scholars and progressing advancement in dating recalculated for the more accurate date of 4 B.C. \n\nAll these other people here have no idea what they're talking about.
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I believe He was born during the Fall season.  I don't believe that Jesus was born during the Winter and especially not on Dec. 25th.  I think telling people this is ultimately ... lying.  If one chooses to celebrate the life of Jesus being born ... fine.  I just think it should be made clear that it's not His birthday (Dec. 25th) we celebrate but basically that He was born unto us to save us from our sins.
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FINALLY, someone who sees it from the words of the Bible! God created all things, thus the CHICKEN came first, it's simple logic. Thanks, now I don't feel so alone in this opinion.
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Yeah Jesus definately was not born on December 25 (In the bible it mentions that the shepards and their flocks were outside when Jesus was born and obviously would not be out there if it was in the freezing winter). December 25 was the date of the Roman festival marking the 'birthday of the unconquered sun.' Christians back then wished the date to concide with it. And even if it was his birthdate do you think Jesus would be happy with how commercialized christmas is and them making money off "his birthday" (No he would turn over the table of money)
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"Jesus was born during the Jewish feast of Tabernacles, Sukkot.\nIt is happy celebration and a time of joy and rejoicing. Jesus is our joy. This makes sense."\n\nyes, it does.\n\n"That is why all the rooms were gone in Bethlehem too."\n\nactually, this probably makes sense too, PLUS with all the people from the tax thing. your explanation makes sense, and also, that might be why the Romans decidend to take taxes then, becuase the people would all be in one place anyways.\n\n"It is NOT wrong to celebrate Christ's birth any day. Just trying to let you know, he was born in the feast of joy! PRAISE HIM!"\n\nAMEN! he is worthy of praise, celebrate his love EVERYDAY!
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Well, if they are unknown, how would we know them?  :-)\n\nHere are a couple links and a choice "interesting" fact about it.\n\n# The word Christmas comes from Cristes maesse, or "Christ's Mass." There is no set date for his birth in scripture and it wasn't celebrated on any particular day. However Christmas was first celebrated on the 25th of December in Rome in 336AD with an aim to replacing the popular pagan winter solstice celebrations
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As a Christian, I believe it was the chicken.  Likewise, Adam and Eve did not have navals since they had no umbilical cords.
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Not according to historians. It is believed that he was born some time in September.\n I found this:.\nWas Jesus born on December 25, or in December at all? Although it's not impossible, it seems unlikely. The Bible does not specify a date or month. One problem with December is that it would be unusual for shepherds to be "abiding in the field" at this cold time of year when fields were unproductive. The normal practice was to keep the flocks in the fields from Spring to Autumn. Also, winter would likely be an especially difficult time for pregnant Mary to travel the long distance from Nazareth to Bethlehem (70 miles). \n\n"A more probable time would be late September, the time of the annual Feast of Tabernacles, when such travel was commonly accepted. Thus, it is rather commonly believed (though not certain) that Jesus' birth was around the last of September. The conception of Christ, however, may have taken place in late December of the previous year. Our Christmas celebration may well be recognized as an honored observation of the incarnation of 'the Word made flesh' (John 1:14).