Is the order of the universe proof that God exists?
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The universe has been shown to be decaying.  It is going from an orderly state to a disorderly state.  This is called entropy.\n\nThere is no known natural force or law in the universe that reverses this.  On a small scale, we can see that our intelligence reverses disorder temporarily.\n\nTherefore, on a universal scale, there must be an intelligence (obviously an intelligence far beyond ours) with the power to set the universe in order to start with.  These are two of the attributes of God.\n\nSo, yes, order in the universe is a proof of God.\n\n-------------------------\n\nTo address some flaws in a previous answer's argument:\n\nThe "Laws of nature" are just another way of saying "the rules of order."  And like any procedure, someone makes the rules.  Like a basketball game, there could be any set of rules, but the ones that are used are what distinguish it from being a hockey game.  And these rules were decided upon by intelligent beings.\n\nAlso, it is not true that all things must lead to infinite regression.  Infinite regression is only one possibility; the other is infinite existence -- in other words, God.
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I can give some information, but only God can convince you.\nI know this is really long, and I apologize in advance, but to follow the chain of logical reasoning takes a lot of words.\n\nAbsolute Proof for the Existence of God:\nThere’s a lot of really great evidence that God does in fact exist:\n1. The existence of God explains the universal longing of the heart.\nBillions of people have believed in a god, people of differing cultures and times, differing places and customs. Mankind is irreversibly homo religiosis, a religious creature. Even philosophies that had no god eventually had to invent one—this was clearly the case within Buddhism. The Buddha did not teach the existence of a deity, but the Buddha’s followers over the centuries converted Gautama Buddha himself into a god, and he is still revered as such by millions of Buddhists today.\n\nAnd this shift is also a shift to a personal deity. An abstract “force” does not satisfy the needs of the human heart—we need to know that someone is out there, not just something. This same shift was evident within Hinduism. The monistic impulse of Upanishadic Hinduism, with its highly philosophical Brahman, an abstract higher power, was overshadowed over time by devotion to individual, personal gods. We humans arrive on this earth incomplete, sensing a deep need within our souls for the divine. This is the “God-shaped void” in each heart.\n\nAtheism—the denial of God’s existence—simply doesn’t satisfy the longings of the human heart. Man cannot live without God. When people are denied a god, they invent one to satisfy their hearts. \n\n2. Humanity needs an ultimate point of reference by which we can determine our own meaning.\nThis is a point the braver atheists like Sartre have conceded. Their suggestion, of course, is that humanity has no meaning, no purpose, no ultimate significance. We cannot find our significance in ourselves—we long to exist for something greater. As was discussed in the previous lecture, if there is no God who exists and has spoken, we are left absurd creatures whose every action is arbitrary. It should come as no surprise that the fervor of UFO people seems so very religious in its zeal! They want someone to be out there, so that we can have a point of reference from which to consider our own existence! Those searching for extraterrestrial life often argue that humanity’s reason for existence—its purpose and destiny—will only be discovered when we make “first contact” with another life form. I would suggest that that other life form is the One that created us, that made contact for our salvation 2,000 years ago. We find our destiny only in him, for whom and by whom we were created.\n\n3. The existence of God best explains humanity’s sense of right & wrong.\nEveryone has an idea of the perfect, a concept of the good, true and beautiful. This deep moral sense, what C.S. Lewis called the Tao or the Law of Common Decency, had to come from somewhere. Compare the great moral systems of the world through the ages. They are remarkably similar. Faithfulness in marriage, honesty in speech, goodwill toward other people, not shedding human blood, honoring one’s parents—all are moral principles found in every society. Confucius died long before Jesus, but summarized his Law of Reciprocity (shu) by stating, “What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others.”\n\nThis universal sense of right and wrong, what philosophers historically called natural law, cannot be explained very easily without appealing to humanity’s creation by a moral God. And these moral principles are not merely the products of human cultures. Were this so, we would see a lot more variation from one society to the next. But we find them, not only in every culture, but also ingrained in the human conscience. As Paul explained, God’s moral law is “written on their hearts” (Romans 2:15). This had to come from somewhere.\n\n4. The existence of G
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look around you, can you testify the existance of GOD and the universe?
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Yes, its true here's proof\n\n 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.\n\n 2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.\n\n 3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.\n\n 6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.\n\n 9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.\n\n 11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.\n\n 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.\n\n 20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.\n\n 24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.\n\n 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."\n\n 27 So God created man in his own image,\n       in the image of God he created him;\n       male and female he created them. \n\n\n\n< then we would find them as solid Rocks?>\nWe'll still have to find out.
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Simple answer to a simple question... YES God exists.\n\nBesides, I wouldn't waste my time looking at or reading anything by that ignorant moron for a fool, Newdow!
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No. Religion is based on faith, not proof. If you were to prove the existence of God, the entire universe would spontaneously vanish in a great puff of logic.
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All reasoned arguments rely on axioms, i.e. things which we take to be true, but which are not amenable to proof. The most obvious example of an axiom is the validity of reason itself - It is trivially obvious that we can't use a reasoned argument to prove that reason is valid, because we have to presume that reason is valid in order to make any kind of reasoned argument.\n\nI have another axiom, which I'm sure no sane person would dispute: That the order and complexity that we see around us in the natural universe, and particularly in the intricate structure and functions of living organisms, could not possibly just exist fully formed, with no cause, no origin, no precursor of any sort. I can't *prove* that this is the case, but it seems inconceivable to me that anyone would dispute it.\n\nSo, the logical consequence of accepting this axiom is that, for the very same reason, it's not possible that the order and complexity of the universe is sourced in an intelligent deity who designed and made the universe and *himself* exists fully formed with no cause, no origin, no precursor of any sort. I don't think any reasonable person would dispute the axiom presented here, and acceptance of the axiom leads to an indisputable proof of the non-existence of an intelligent creator.\n\nAnyone who (against all reason) asserted that the order and complexity we see in the universe *could* indeed exist fully formed with no cause and no origin, in order thereby to save the concept of an uncaused intelligent designer, would find that they had invalidated said designer by making him redundant - i.e. if the order and complexity of the universe could just exist fully formed and uncaused then it would not need (in fact, could not possibly have) a designer to cause it to exist.\n\nEither way, the concept of a creator is invalidated.\n\nLuke:  I can't see how a perception of chaos would mean the existence of a god, according to my axiom.  Even if someone rejects the notion that the universe exhibits (at least in parts) a high degree of order and complexity, it does not follow that a god is required to create it - Indeed, if the universe is nothing but chaos, then there doesn't seem to be any motivation to suggest a designer in the first place.  How can you design chaos?  Chaos is, by its very definition, the complete absence of any kind of order or complexity or design.\n\nAs to your second point, if someone is proposing that intelligence is required to design and create a universe, then the intelligence itself would be the 'form' that has to exist without any kind of origin or development or precursor.  Religious folks have enough trouble accepting the idea of mere *human* intelligence being the product of an unthinking natural process, so to argue that an intelligence capable of designing and creating an entire universe can exist without any precursor at all, not even an unthinking one, is self-contradictory in the highest degree.
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There is no more proof that God exists then that he does not.  Let those who need their faith have it.  It is their security blanket in a very large and lonely universe.\n\nEdit:\n\nYes, very lonely.  I refer to the prophet Yakko:\n\nEverybody lives on a street in a city\nOr a village or a town for what it's worth.\nAnd they're all inside a country which is part of a continent\nThat sits upon a planet known as Earth.\nAnd the Earth is a ball full of oceans and some mountains\nWhich is out there spinning silently in space.\nAnd living on that Earth are the plants and the animals\nAnd also the entire human race.\n\nIt's a great big universe\nAnd we're all really puny\nWe're just tiny little specks\nAbout the size of Mickey Rooney.\nIt's big and black and inky\nAnd we are small and dinky\nIt's a big universe and we're not.\n\nAnd we're part of a vast interplanetary system\nStretching seven hundred billion miles long.\nWith nine planets and a sun; we think the Earth's the only one\nThat has life on it, although we could be wrong.\nAcross the interstellar voids are a billion asteroids\nIncluding meteors and Halley's Comet too.\nAnd there's over fifty moons floating out there like balloons\nIn a panoramic trillion-mile view.\n\nAnd still it's all a speck amid a hundred billion stars\nIn a galaxy we call the Milky Way.\nIt's sixty thousand trillion miles from one end to the other\nAnd still that's just a fraction of the way.\n'Cause there's a hundred billion galaxies that stretch across the sky\nFilled with constellations, planets, moons and stars.\nAnd still the universe extends to a place that never ends\nWhich is maybe just inside a little jar!\n\nIt's a great big universe\nAnd we're all really puny\nWe're just tiny little specks\nAbout the size of Mickey Rooney.\nIt's big and black and inky\nAnd we are small and dinky\nIt's a big universe and we're not.\n\n<insert Carl Sagan voice correcting math here>
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no...if it were possible there wouldn't be these fun debates on yahoo answers..gotta love some of these answers though lol..stuff exists..that means gods exists..nice!..and the ever popular..can you prove he doesn't....burden of proof is on the believer
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The existence of god cannot be proved or disproved. It is a matter of belief, not of science which is only concerned with provable events.
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The "just look around you" argument is not a proof, but a restatement of faith. You could equally easily use the same argument to 'prove' the seeding of life on Earth by intelligent extra-terrestrials.\nThe great-great-great-great grandfather argument is not convincing either: for sure I can't prove that he existed back then, but how would that help me prove that God exists right now?\n\nThis is the 'ontological' proof:\n\n1. We humans have this idea of an infinitely perfect being that we call God. \n2. Existence is one of the perfections. \n3. Therefore, being infinitely perfect, God must exist. \n\nIs this convincing? Descartes - who proves his own existence simply by demonstrating his ability to doubt (I think therefore I am) - says: \n\n"How would I understand that I doubt...unless there were some idea in me of a more perfect being, by comparison with which I might recognise my defects?"\n\n"It would be impossible for me to exist, being of such a nature as I am (namely, having in me the idea of God), unless God did in fact exist"
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Yes, he does exists... There is a guy in Barcelona who won the right to name himself GOD. His official name is now GOD
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God does exist.\nThere are many natural phenomenon which have not been yet discovered by man,nor doe we really know how those that exist come about.\nSome theories have been successfully proven, others , only time will tell.\nSome atheists claim that this universe is in existence from ever and it will last for ever. If this universe is in existence from ever, then it must have infinite source of power and energy, but we see that no material thing is infinite in this universe. The temperature of Sun is falling down, even the earth is cooling off. All the sources of energy in this universe are being consumed up and exhausting. So the world is approaching to its end as was prophesied by all the religions. It proves that the universe came into being a finite time ago and it also has a definite end. We know from our whole life's experience, that if we consider any process, there are only two possibilities, that a process is either started by some human beings, or it might be a result of some other process. If we move back in this tree of processes which are a result of some other process, ultimately we shall come across a process, which could not be attributed to any other process. At that place, we are left with no other argument, except to believe that it was started by some Super being. We refer to that super being as 'GOD', some atheists call this Super Being by the name of 'nature'. Actually just giving a different name to this Super Being really does not make much difference, they believe in GOD, and all they need is just a little fine tuning.
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Well, it lacks of logic that's it. If everything in the universe needs a creator, then the creator needs a creator, since he's part of the universe, if something like god can exists without a creator, why can't the universe exists without a creator?\n\nIf the universe and its "order" requiere design, does that mean god as a being lacks of order? If there is order in him as a being, doesn't it means it needs a designer since order can't exist without a designer or, can it? If something like god, as a being, can have order without a designer, why can't the universe have order without a designer?\n\nIf nothing can't be created from nothing and the existance of the universe implies creation, does that mean the existance of god implies he had to be created? If god can exist without creation, can't the universe exist without creation? Who created god? If he needs no creator, why does the universe needs a creator?\n\nIf god has no begining and end, why can't the universe have no beginign and end and just being in constant change? Who really knows without basing his knowledge in ancient books.\n\nIt sounds to me like god is just a concept used to explain everything that lacks of logic or just can't be explained yet, since our knowledge is very limited. God violates logic and to me it can only exists through faith. If the world is too beautiful that it can't be an accident, does that mean god ain't beautiful? Because if he is, he needs a creator, I mean, beautiful things need a creator, don't they? Where does the logic lays?\n\nSometimes I think it's hard for some to simply admit "I don't know". Can the universe exists without a designer? Well, I don't know and I don't need to make fairy tales to explain its creation, because really, I don't know and those who claim they do, they sound highly suspicious... They do.
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1. If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.\n   2. If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.\n   3. If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.\n   4. If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.\n   5. Evil exists.\n   6. If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.\n   7. Therefore, God doesn't exist.\n   8. If God doesn't exist, hell can't exist either.
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The argument is as logical for a big band happening "from nothing" as a God to exist "from nothing".\n\nI personally don't have a problem with there always having been matter in the universe and the big bang being more or less spontaneous.
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To one who examines the evidence, there can be no doubt that God exists. Every builing has a builder.  Everything made has a maker.  The fact of the existence of the Creator is self-evident. That's why the Bible says, "The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"(Psa 14:1). The professing atheist denies the common sense given to him by God, and defends his belief by thinking that the question "Who made God?" can't be answered. This, he thinks, gives him license to deny the existence of God.\n\nThe question of who made God can be answered by simply looking at space and asking, "Does space have an end?" Obviously, it doesn't. If there is a brick wall with "The End" written on it, the question arises, "What is behind the brick wall?" Strain the mind though it may, we have to believe (have faith) that space has no beginning and no end. The same applies with God.  He has no beginning and no end. He is eternal.\n\nThe Bible also informs us that time is a dimension that God created, into which man was subjected. It even tells us that one day time will no longer exist. That will be called "eternity." God Himself dwells outside of the dimension He created (2 Ti 1:9, Tit 1:2). He dwells in eternity and is not subject to time. God spoke history before it came into being. He can move through time as a man flips through a history book. Because we live in the dimension of time, logic and reason demand that everything must have a beginning and an end. We can understand the concept of space having no beginning and end--by faith. We simply have to believe they are so, even though such thoughts put a strain on our distinctly insuffecient cerebrum.\n\nHope this helps!