how jesus is son of god and god left him torture and killed by jews!!!???
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The Jews did not kill Jesus, even according to the Christian's New Testament itself.\n\nIn Matthew 27:2, Jesus had to be given over to the authorities, Rome, to be tried by the Governor of Rome, Pontius Pilate. 64 years before Jesus was born, the Jews had lost the land of Israel to Roman rule. \n\nThe Jews had no power, no authority, to put anyone to death. \n\nJesus was crucified. The Jewish way to give the death penalty was through stoning, as everyone knows. Crucifixion was a Roman form of execution, and they reserved it only for those who were seen as trying to overthrow the Roman government.\n\nAccording to Matthew 27:37, the sign placed by the Romans over Jesus's head read, "Jesus Christ King of the Jews." The text of Matthew in 27:37 calls this sign, "the accusation." In other words, the crime for which Jesus was crucified was for being, or having the pretense to be, the king of the Jews, INSTEAD of the Roman emperor, and this is according to the Christian's own New Testament! (see also Matthew 27:27-29)\n\nSo why does the Christian New Testament make it appear that the Jews wanted Jesus dead? Simply because by the time that the New Testament stories about Jesus (the Gospels) were being written, from 60 C.E. onward, the Jews were in open rebellion against Rome. The Early Christians did not want to be identified with the Jews, and they did not want Rome to think that Christians worshipped a man who was crucified by the Romans. So they wrote their New Testament so as to absolve the Romans from the responsibility of putting Jesus to death. This went so far as to put words in the mouth of "the Jews," that said "the Jews" accepted responsibility for Jesus's death, and that the guilt for it would be on their childrens' heads forever! (Matthew 27:25).\n\nOf course, this will not stop believing Christians from taking the New Testament at its word, and continuing to blame the Jews for Jesus's death.\n\nBUT, how then can we Jews respond to such a question, "Did the Jews kill Jesus?"\n\nThe very question itself makes us respond with our own collection of questions:\n\nWho are "the Jews" referred to in the question? \n\nAre they all Jews forever and ever? \n\nThis would mean that if the people outside of the Huntsville, Texas, prison who cried FOR the death of Karla Faye Tucker (convicted of murdering her own kids i believe),were of Scottish origins, for example, then from now on all Scottish peoples, regardless of where they were at the time she was given the death penalty are guilty, forever, for her death?Remember that the people outside of the prison were not the ones, and could not have been the ones, who actually injected her with the fatal poisons. As a matter of fact, the vast majority of Jews in the world at the time of Jesus did not live in Israel, and would not have heard about any event taking place there for months after the event. News traveled so much slower then.\n\nLets pretend that "the Jews" back then really did kill Jesus (which they did not!). Since when are the children responsible, or culpable, for the sins of their parents? This very idea is UnBiblical! In Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically states, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." \n\nFurthermore, in Ezekiel 18:20 it states, "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." So the very idea that if Jews killed Jesus, which they did not, then the idea that the Jewish People forever are responsible for that sin is both UnBiblical and nonsense.
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The best places to find out what Jews believe, on the web, are at:::\n\nhttp://WhatJewsBelieve.org\nand\nhttp://JewFaq.org\n\nto begin with.\n\nJesus is simply not relevant to Judaism and the Jewish people. Jesus is to the Jews what Mohammed is to Christians, or what Buddha is to Christians, he was a man who lived, and about whom a whole religion developed, and that is all.\n\nThere are very specific reasons why Jesus is not considered by Jews to be Gd, the son of Gd, the messiah, or a savior. Here is a simple explanation:::\n\nThe Christian understanding is that the Messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin.\n\nBut we are taught in our Torah that no one can die for the sins of another. In Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically says this:\n\nDeuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not \nbe put to death for the children, neither \nshall the children be put to death for\nthe fathers: \nevery man shall be put to death for his \nown sin (eesh b’chet-o yumatu).\n\nIn Exodus 32:30-35, Moses tries to offer himself to atone for the sins of the people. To be written out of Gd's book, means to be written out of the Book of Life, which means Moses was asking to die for the sins of the People. Gd's response is No, it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:\n\nExodus 32:30-35 And it came to pass on the \nmorrow, that Moses said unto the people, \nYe have sinned a great sin: and now I will \ngo up unto the Etrnl; perhaps I shall make \nan atonement for your sin. And Moses \nreturned unto the Etrnl, and said, Oh, \nthis people have sinned a great sin, and \nhave made them gods of gold. Yet now, if \nthou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, \nblot me, I pray thee, out of thy book \nwhich thou hast written. And the Etrnl \nsaid unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned \nagainst me, him will I blot out of my \nbook. \n\nThe whole of chapter 18 of the book of Ezekiel is about this idea, that no one can die for someone else's sin. Further, this chapter of Ezekiel teaches us that all we have to do for Gd's forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd will forgive us:::\n\nEzekiel 18:1-4; 20-24; 26-27 .....Behold, all \nsouls are mine; as the soul of the father, so \nalso the soul of the son is mine: the soul \nthat sinneth, it shall die. Eze 18:20 The soul \nthat sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not \nbear the iniquity of the father, neither shall \nthe father bear the iniquity of the son: the \nrighteousness of the righteous shall be upon \nhim, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be \nupon him. But if the wicked will turn from all \nhis sins that he hath committed, and keep all \nmy statutes, and do that which is lawful and \nright, he shall surely live, he shall not die. \nAll his transgressions that he hath committed, \nthey shall not be mentioned unto him: in his \nrighteousness that he hath done he shall live. \nHave I any pleasure at all that the wicked \nshould die? saith the Etrnl Gd: and not that \nhe should return from his ways, and live?.... \nEze 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away \nfrom his righteousness, and committeth \niniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity \nthat he hath done shall he die. Again, when \nthe wicked man turneth away from his \nwickedness that he hath committed, and doeth \nthat which is lawful and right, he shall save \nhis soul alive. \n\nSo, the Bible is clear, no one can die for the sins of another, and this means that Jesus cannot die for anyone else's sins.\n\nChristians also believe that one needs a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin, that one who does not have such a blood sacrifice will die in their sins, and go to hell, except for the sacrifice of Jesus.\n\nThis, too, is UnBiblical. The Bible describes blood sacrifices for the forgiveness of sin in the Book of Leviticus. But it is in Leviticus itself, in the middle
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"I asked what if Jesus wasn't the only Messiah"\nYou're a bit confused, aren't you ... ... I see a messiah-related question from you, linked to whether there was a fifth Judas gospel. How can you expect an open answer to that question.\n\nAnd the Jews don't think Abraham is/was the Messiah.\n\nNot only don't you know what you're asking, you obviously don't know what you're talking about either ...\n\n... and this from the man who asked "Why did yahoo censor my reply to "how many differant sorts of rape"? Good to see you're a well-balanced individual.\n\nHonestly - what is the point of you?
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Huh? Who is Jesus? Do you mean that jewish rabbi Jeshu that the greek christians renamed Jesus and claimed him as their God in the flesh? Didn't he already come back once? How many lives does that guy get any way? The last event would probably be "WORLD-WIDE PANIC"
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added 2/6/06 @ 11:17am central time\n\nAnd every response to your additions can be answered by going to http://JewsForJudaism.org as well as http://OutreachJudaism.org as well as http://MessiahTruth.org as well as http://www.geocities.com/realjewsforjesus and so many others. But they wont mean anything to you, because you are now a Christian, and no longer a Jew, IF you ever were one......\n----------\nObviously, for a "Jewish man," you know little of the Bible or of Judaism or of Gd.\n\nPLEASE look at the following::\nhttp://WhatJewsBelieve.org\nhttp://Convert.org \n\nThe basic beliefs of Christianity about Jesus are against what the Bible says, and so Real Jews cannot believe in Jesus at all.\n\nThe Christian understanding is that the Messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin.\n\nBut we are taught in our Torah that no one can die for the sins of another. In Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically says this:\n\nDeuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not \nbe put to death for the children, neither \nshall the children be put to death for\nthe fathers: \nevery man shall be put to death for his \nown sin (eesh b’chet-o yumatu).\n\nIn Exodus 32:30-35, Moses tries to offer himself to atone for the sins of the people. To be written out of Gd's book, means to be written out of the Book of Life, which means Moses was asking to die for the sins of the People. Gd's response is No, it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:\n\nExodus 32:30-35 And it came to pass on the \nmorrow, that Moses said unto the people, \nYe have sinned a great sin: and now I will \ngo up unto the Etrnl; perhaps I shall make \nan atonement for your sin. And Moses \nreturned unto the Etrnl, and said, Oh, \nthis people have sinned a great sin, and \nhave made them gods of gold. Yet now, if \nthou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, \nblot me, I pray thee, out of thy book \nwhich thou hast written. And the Etrnl \nsaid unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned \nagainst me, him will I blot out of my \nbook. \n\nThe whole of chapter 18 of the book of Ezekiel is about this idea, that no one can die for someone else's sin. Further, this chapter of Ezekiel teaches us that all we have to do for Gd's forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd will forgive us.\n\nSo, the Bible is clear, no one can die for the sins of another, and this means that Jesus cannot die for anyone else's sins.\n\nChristians also believe that one needs a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin, that one who does not have such a blood sacrifice will die in their sins, and go to hell, except for the sacrifice of Jesus.\n\nThis, too, is UnBiblical. The Bible describes blood sacrifices for the forgiveness of sin in the Book of Leviticus. But it is in Leviticus itself, in the middle of the discussion of the sin sacrifices, that we are taught that we do not need a blood sacrifice to be forgiven for our sins. Offering a blood sacrifice was an expensive thing to do for the family offering the animal. Was forgiveness then, to be only for the rich? No, because if one could not afford a blood sacrifice then one who sins could bring flour, which has no blood and no life as their sacrifice, and Gd forgave them!\n\nLeviticus 5:11-13; But if he be not able to \nbring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, \nthen he that sinned shall bring for his \noffering the tenth part of an ephah of fine \nflour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil \nupon it, neither shall he put any \nfrankincense thereon: for it is a sin \noffering.\n\nFurthermore, read the Book of Jonah. In Jonah, the People of Ninevah do three things in order to be forgiven by Gd. They fast, they pray for forgiveness, and they stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd forgave them! This is exactly what we do on Yom Kippur, we fast, we pray for forgiveness, and, h
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the "Passion" was a kids version of what truly happened. it was so brutal that it could not be shown on TV or movies. it was so painful before they were put on the cross, it was a miracle that He did not die before the cross. first, he was spat upon and his beard was torn out by his own people. then he was whipped with a stick. he was taken before pilate. then he was sripped naked and whipped by the "cat and nine tails" which had peices of metal and glass that tears the skinn off. they whipped him thirty-nine times. then he was robed in purple and a crown of thorns was forced onto his head. the thorns were the length of common nails and as thin as a pine needle. they were so sharp that they went through his scull. then he was forced to carry his cross which would have weighd something near five hundred pounds. he had to carry it throu the streets ant to the mount called golgotha which was a good ten kilometers from the roman post in the city. once there, he had his clothes ripped off him once more and was forced to hold out his arms where nails the length of railroad spikes were driven into his hands and feet. then they raised the cross into the hole whre it dropped two to three feet. he was nude, bleeding, almost unrecognizable, and was mocked by both his people and the romans. what you did not see in the movie was that all the sin of the world was brought onto Jesus and he died from the weight of that sin.
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The Jewish leaders didn't care.What they wanted was for Jesus to break the Mosaic Law by not condemning her,so they could accuse Him of blasphemy,and excommunicate or even kill Him.But of course it's not possible to out fox God the Son.He was going to give His life when He was ready,and not before.He said "I have the power to lie down my life and the power to take it back up,no one takes it from me."
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Jesus is the king of Jews! We read the Holy Bible. God is awesome.
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Jesus was Never God the Father or God the Son, Nor did he or his Disciples say that he was God! Rather he was the SON OF God!. Some questions to reason on: \n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord."\n\nThe words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.\n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God and your God? This tells us that Jesus and we have a common GOD. John also tells us that the Only True God, Yahweh, is not only our God and Father, but He is also the God and Father of our Messiah, Yahoshua.\n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?\n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit"?\n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 19:16 Jesus said "Why call me good, there is none good but One,\n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion?\n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he didn't reply when he was asked about the truth?\n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?\n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in Isaiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus?\n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?\n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?\n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?\n\nIf Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD?\n\nThe "God" (theos in Greek) title literally with Jesus in Isiah 9:6 and they don't take it literally for the rest of the prophets and people who were called Gods?\n\nKing David in Psalm 45:3 Note: The only unique title given to GOD in the Bible that was not given to others at all are Jehovah, GOD, and GOD LORD. "God", "Most Mighty" and "Almighty One" are titles that were given to Jesus, other Prophets and to Satan himself in the Bible.\n\nIf Jesus is also equal to his father in terms of God-ship, why at John 17:1, 3 in prayer to his father (God) that he refers to his father as the “ONLY true God”. John tells us according to the Savior Himself that the Father is the 'Only True God,' NOT the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit but the Father ALONE is the Only True God.\n\nFinally, John ends his gospel; by telling us the reason for his writing it. So that we might believe that Jesus is part of a mystery god made up of 2 or 3 different beings? NO, not at all, but rather the reason he wrote his gospel was to prove to us that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ) \nJohn 20:30 Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book:  John 20:31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.
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If he were the son of God and the Son of man he would be Nephilim and an abomination.  God would gladly have killed Jesus himself to get rid of him.\n\nPerhaps Gabriel and Mary got it on.....
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jesus deserved to di3!! if i was around back then i woulda f*ckin killed him myself the dirty jewish b*stard. and i would laughed and pointed while he was hangin there on the cross and i would threw stones and p00p at him and whipped him until he finally d!ed.
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Cause he pissed off to many jews.\n\nWhy wouldn't Jesus have just allowed himself to be sacrificed by King Harod when his minions were making their rounds?
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Jesus was sent down as a Prophet of (God), but he (Jesus) is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. Jesus was never killed or was ever crucified. He was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world.
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Jesus, innocent of all sin, allowed Himself to be killed for love of us all, including His enemies. \nMuslim terrorists deliberately kill themselves at the same time as murdering other people, out of pure hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with their twisted beliefs.
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Jesus was NOT crucified. When the jews were searching for him, God made his betrayer look just like him, so the jews took this traitor and crucified him instead.\n\nThe Quraan says: "And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain."
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The Jews did not kill Jesus.  The Romans did not either.  Mankind as a whole did, or more accurately, Jesus love for mankind.\n\nNails did not and could not hold the Creator to the cross.  Only love could.
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Look at it this way.  Jesus was an ancient Middle Eastern Jew.   These guys were not clean and certainly didn't dress well.  If you saw a smelly guy in rags on the corner screaming that he was the son of god---would you believe him?  Most folks would walk to the other side of the street just to aviod him.