"We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture"  Rev. Ray Mummert, Your Comments
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Rev. Mummert is the pastor at Brethren in Christ church just outside East Berlin who supports Intelligent Design.\n\nHe has enjoyed some media attention this past year with the Dover School Board case.   Among his quotes is the above one which he said last March.  It is the same idea he promoted in an interview last Dec when a judge ruled against having ID taught in science classes.\n\nMummert said he doesn't want to convey the idea that he is against education. Rather, he said, "the push for secularism is coming from the educated segment of our culture."  .... Those who are better educated often develop more confidence in their intellect and grow to rely less on God, he said. \n\nMummert certainly does not speak for all pastors.  On Feb, 12th, Darwin's Birthday over 400 pastors across the country preached on the compatibility of the bible, evolution and science. Over 10,000 had signed a petition indicating the same thing.
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This is funny, I'm sorry but it's SO true! Liberals think they are smart or "educated" and yet they are total fools! Very funny!
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I hear you.  I think that it's too much time in front of the TV and not enough time working and serving real people.  Combine that with a general distrust of their own culture and traditions and a generally elementary level of logic which "substitute(s) your reality, and replace(s) it with [their] own" (quoted from Adam on Mythbusters), and we've created the typical liberal, a virtual Frankenstein from the removal of spirituality from science.
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When was the last time a Buddhist knocked on your door, interrupted you in what you were doing, and in an obnoxious way tried to share their faith? When was the last time a Muslim approached you on the street and tried to embarrass you into accepting literature pertaining to their faith? When was the last time a Taoist walked into your buisness, sat down in a chair reserved for paying clients, and procceded to quiz you on your beliefs in an attempt to convert you? When was the last time your phone rang and, leaving your meal to get cold, you answered it only to hear a plea for money from a Wiccan so that their coven could add you to the supporters of their building fund? I tolerate Christians. But I refuse to allow them to trespass on MY RIGHTS!!! IF YOU CONSIDER THAT INTOLERANT ON MY PART PERHAPS YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THIS ... Show me your faith by your living it. If I like what I see maybe I'll ask you how to get what you've got. Other wise ... RESPECT MY SPACE AS I RESPECT YOURS!!! Its as simple as this ... For hundreds of years Christians, some at least, have had the upper hand in things like numbers, politics, etc. NOW that's changing. Others refuse to put up with it any longer, and rightly so. I've said it before, and now I'll share it with you ... The shoes not all that comfortable when its on the other foot, is it? I'm just glad that not all Christians fall into the above catagories. Those are the ones I listen to ... As, in their own quiet way, they live their truth. They have my attention. They others? Well, I tolerate them. You probably think yourself persecuted. I ask you this ... How many times, and how much, blood have you lost due to your faith? How many times have you been beaten because you're a Christian? Never, I'll wager. But someone tells you to back off and you consider yourself ill used. I got news for you. Untill the 1970s MY FAITH WAS ILLEGAL TO PRACTICE IN THE U.S.! (And it wasn't because of any thing like animal sacrifice, or stuff like that either. It was because my people were second class citizens at best, and no one cared one way or the other what we believed.)Know what I learned from that? I learned to be tolerant. You might like to take a hint. ~~~ P.S. One of the posts above speakes of Paul's having taught Christians to be tolerant. Its taken out of context. Paul was admonishing his followers to be tolerant of one another. It has nothing to do with those outside the Christian community. It pertains only to Christians themselves. It has nothing to do with whats going on now, and it doesn't honestly touch on the topic at hand. And the "new" tolerance? Kinda easy to make up a concept that covers your rear, one that no one else has ever even heard of. But, hey, it sounds good ... Untill you THINK about it. And one person apologizing for the actions of others? No. That doesn't wash. That's not your right. Its unacceptable. You take responsibility for your own actions. That's cool. I promise not to say I'm sorry for what happened at Little Big Horn in return.
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I think what this guy is trying to point out is the frustration with so many people being led blindly by dated or 'obsolete' ideologies. I think this question is more akin to people with 'leftist' ideals, that see in the masses a repeating pattern of spoon-fed idiocy. Whenever I think of this question, I think of the millions of people that believe in anything without questioning or analyzing the deepness of the subject. What really comes to mind is RELIGION and PATRIOTISM. So many have been led into believing things that are not even entirely certain, are very subjective and bound to relativity and seemingly created to keep a group of people in power. \nI think this person is frustrated with so many people not questioning beliefs and believing blindly just because 'tradition' demands it.\nWhat frustrates me is that I see so many backwards things and so many people not even questioning them, buying into them and being told how to be and how to act by non-founded dubious sources... this is very saddening, and yes, I think it affects us all. Open-mindedness and an analytical, critical attitude is much needed nowadays, when we're being bombarded by propaganda and lies every day. It's time for society to evolve, go beyond tradition, rid of the old attitudes that have proven wrong, and WAKE UP!
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Mike, you are the voice of wisdom on a sea of hate...
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I think the reason is that people are trying to show how smart they are about religion and they are also trying to convert other people any way they can.
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I see what you are getting at but, "The Seeds Of Human Abuse" has been around soo long that, we as Humans have evolved to learn new safeguards of "Hatred,Religious in-differences,& Political Pawns that help create War. I truly believe that, if we are to continue as a species of Educated & Decisive creatures, then we as Humans have to conform to other resources to (Clean-Up) our activities with Cleaner & Safer alternatives to fuel & Protect our Planets waste. Hatred is such a useless word that it prevents people from attaining their reall goals in life.We do have a big problem w/our Politicians & Diplomats World Wide. It seems fair to say that, A Politicians Life & a Diplomats Lives are somewhat exatly the same. They have learned from (Old School) ways to decieve the public in getting exatly what they want, but not for the very people that put them there to report if our goals for Global Unity have been met. t's really sad to say but, The Churches all seem to want to say that their Religion is better than the next, & really not passing the words of Faith. They should (Walk Their Talk). It would be nice if the World as we know it were one Goverment w/no Boarders.We are stuct w/all the lies that were ever told by our World Leaders.The only way that we can come clean is to have (One World United Goverment w/no Boarders) One for all,all for one.
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Actually they are trying to play us...What the real deal is they are offended because we don't agree with them that's why they're playing that game with us making false accusations thinking we are going to give in!...But keep Strong Christian!!!
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they have been brainwashed by religion to judge others who are not part of their religious ideology
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I kan spel wid the best but hits just funto make boompers. Seriously, there are explanations for such happenings. A keyboard with sticky keys will play havoc with spelling.A lot of it is the fact that teachers have/will and are shoving children and teens  who can't read or write through the school system because they don't want to "waste time on them." They never "wasted time on them to begin with either." There are many teachers in the system who are only interested in the bottom line...$$$$$$ and that's all they care about.Know this from seeing and hearing what goes on in their world unobserved. Tho I can spell, my problem is, my thoughts/ideas and knowledge rip along at the speed of light; while my fingers are still stuck in 1st gear and the clutch plate is slipping !!!!  Lmhoay !!! Oh, translation coming up ...."Laughing my head off at you." Think I am wrong? Take the first letters of the "___" above and you will see I am right. Learn to lighten up a little. Life is to short to be politically correct. Like the 6 year old boy being accused of sexual harassment for kissing a little girl. We are living in an upside down world where hate/cold heartedness and foolish thinking are the norm. We need to get back to God and He will set things right side up. We murder unborn babies, ignore children if they don't fit in, and treat elderly and sick as if they are the plague. How many times have we killed Einstiens, Picasso's, Salk's, and more all because we can't be burdened by loving and raising a child? We may have murdered "the brain" that could have cured aids,cancer,lupis, ms,md, or any number of other diseases that run rampant. Children who don't fit into the boxes our systems force them to comply with are treated as ignorant, stupid and not teachable. No two people learn the same way. But then we are ,according to the Government and powers that be; satan being the ring leader, to be the norm of living by being stupid. Laws are passed telling us we can no longer call our childern or babies by terms of endearment(that's infringing on their rights.)Killing them won't infringe on their rights but words will?Think people; use that grey matter God placed between your ears for something worthwhile. Teach a child love, if you want a loving adult. Teach a child kindness,if you want a kind adult. Teach manners, teach heart, braveness, honor, wisdom,loyality to family,spouses, children, country and God. Does anybody remember back that far? When these were taught in the home, church AND school? I had teachers tell me not to correct students because the students wouldn't respond to authority. Yet if I heard running in the halls, an upraised hand held past the wall to the adjacent hall brought thundering feet to a halt. A wild classroom was  brought to order by allowing the students a chance to work as individuals instead of one huge individual. Now I ask all who take time to read this far; am I a certified teacher; or, am I just a highschool graduate with common sense? Am I just a dumb country girl, or do I posses a phd in education? Anyone care to judge or guess who or what I am? Lets get real people, if you don't use it (your brain) you lose it. Use a pc for what it is... a tool, a learning tool. But don't let it take the place of your mind; same for gameboys, playstations original,one,two, or the latest on the market. This goes for tv too. These things can make us forget to interact as humans, friends and families. We are being taught by our jobs to be agressive. Sell, sell, sell, be #1 at any and all costs, push,push, push. Then we wonder why there is road rage? Why people kill co-workers,family, friends and stangers reguardless of age or status? If we loved our children and each other instead of treating one another like dirt, there is a very good possibility that crime would drop,murders,rape,incest,child abuse, spouce abuse and the l
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I know how you feel. It's disheartening, and doesn't seem fair. Some of the attacks seem completely groundless, once you really look at the claims of Jesus.\n\nSome people have had bad experiences with Christians, so everything is filtered through that. They've never been exposed to people really living out of faith and loving others, they've just gotten the negative hypocritical behavior.\n\nSome listen to Christians: There are many CHristians who approach their faith negatively. ("Do not touch! Do not taste! Do not speak!" says Paul, I think, right before he says this is ridiculous, for restrictions do not have the power to save.) We treat the world as an enemy and attack it for what we believe it does wrong -- then get surprised when it views us negatively. Christians are very negative sometimes, so Christianity is attacked as such.\n\nThe other big reason is simply because they really don't want to understand your viewpoint. It's more convenient for them to attack Christianity because they won't actually have to think through their own lives and compare, maybe even make a change. Everyone is like this: It's easier to talk over someone than to listen, easier to attack than taking wounds, easier to blame someone else besides ourselves.\n\nChristians sometimes get a raw deal because people don't want to take the risk of truly thinking through the claims of the faith and comparing their own philosophy to it, then perhaps being forced to make decisions they don't want to make. Pride and self-comfort is an issue.\n\nHang in there. You're on the right track -- Jesus didn't just atone for sin, he was a very tangible representation of how much God truly loved us -- and you're willing to speak up in a kind way about it. That's good stuff.
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I'm not brainwashed. I am of my own will. You're brainwashed by the media into thinking a fish is your cousin and a monkey is your grandpa. And may I ask, why are you waisting all your points trying to take down Christianity? Jesus said, "The gates of Hell WILL NOT prevail against my Church." I'm sorry, but you lose.
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Well this quote seems to be a little cynical.  I don't know much about Mary Ellen Kelly, but my impression from this quote is that the natives are ridiculed by American's who have dubbed themselves "smart" and therefore are judgemental.  They see the drums as worthless noise when the very horns that are blown at traffic are seen as unneccessary or are objects of scorn to the natives.  It is a look at ethnocentrism and the lack of tolerance or understanding for other cultures.
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Athesits behave cause of fools like you.. they think people who follow some religion will talk like you idiot.
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The fact is, the world today, and especially our nation, is so dependent on political correctness and fear of stepping on someone else's religious toes, that no one really dares to step on his remarks for fear of being attacked on all sides by rabid Islamic-Freedom lobbyists, shady gang-bangers/sure terrorists, and their local church. It's become too much a game of who can say the most pleasing thing, and too little a matter of actually solving problems.
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I'm going to overlook your misspelling, your rant, your slam against another user.\n\nBecause you have raised a valid issue.\n\nThe enemy is US.  We allow it.  Want to stop it, start at home.  Don't know what else to tell you.\n\nI'd tell you the problem is public education, but at least some of those kids can spell.