Open the OT at random. Let's say, Kings 16 11:13, where Yahweh (or 'The Lord' - a sort of handy phrase serving to justify any action), instructs Zimri to destroy all the house of Basha - and not just them, but their friends and kinsfolk as well, until 'there was not one left to piss against a wall.' Charming. Again, in exodus 21:15... 'Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death' Also, Leviticus 21:9..'A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death'...Put this to Chrsitians, and they say..oh how wonderful then that CHrist came to spare us these punishments. They miss the point. Christ came to tell them that God was not this monster they imagined him to be, that the jews had got it all wrong and misunderstood the nature of the Divine, which was that He was a compassionate and loving and forgiving God, not a monster demanding burnt offerings.Why do so few people understand this?
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And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall, neither of his kinsfolk, nor of his friends.  (KJV)\n\nYHVH is true name of I AM THAT I AM\nYHVH had to be very strict on the nation of ISRAEL, so that the prophesies could prove that the MESSIAH had come from this nation. baal worship is idolitry.\ni do not understand all your question.\nhttp://www.shepherdschapel.com
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It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.\n(Matthew 5:3,32)\n   \n\nAnd the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.\n--Mark 10:2-12 \n And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart,, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. For what knowest thou, 0 wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, 0 man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.\n--I Corinthians 7:1-17 \n\n\nNow, for those who are married I have a command, not just a suggestion. And it is not a command from me, for this is what the Lord Himself has said: A wife must not leave her husband. But if she is separated from him, let her remain single or else go back to him. And the husband must not divorce his wife." I Corinthians 7:10-11, TLB\n\n\n"Why has God abandoned us?" you cry. I'll tell you why; it is because the Lord has seen your treachery in divorcing your wives who have been faithful to you through the years, the companions you promised to care for and keep. You were united to your wife by the Lord. In God's wise plan, when you married, the two of you became one person in His sight. And what does He want? Godly children from your union. Therefore guard your passions! Keep faith with the wife of your youth. For the Lord, the God of Israel, says He hates divorce and cruel men. Therefore control your passions—let there be no divorcing of your wives." Malachi 2:14-16, TLB\n\nDo not lose heart, for our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.  II Corinthians 4:17\n\n\nIf Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.            I Corinthians 15:17-22
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i know this isn't really answering your question but i was kinda surprised to see what you said about "God looking like an unforgiving bully". I don't get that - He says do anything you want with this amazing garden I've given you, except one thing. If you do it, I'm going to punish you. So they do that one thing, and surprise surprise, they get punished. THEN He says, ok, so now you all do loads of stuff that goes against what i have said you should do, but I'll offer forgiveness through Jesus. That seems both pretty consistent and forgiving to me. \nSorry that doesn't answer your question, and I'm not ranting at you, just interested that you think that. I've never looked at it in that way. Hope other's answers are more on the point.\n\n\nAnd shadowalfalfa -sorry to disagree with you again, but Moses is thought to have written the first 5 books of the Bible.\n\nAn addition to my answer after your addition to your question - there is a prophecy in Daniel 7 that is entirely consistent with the acts of Alexander the Great many many many years later. There is historical evidence that Jesus existed and did many of the things the Bible says He did. So at least those things happened. Coincidence??? I don't think so.
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Well done.  I knew about the one in Exodus, but the others are new to me.  Thanks for pointing that out.  \n\nI'm a Bible believing Christian and I have always supported abortion.  In fact, I support abortion even when the mother doesn't want to in cases where the child will be born seriously defective.  \n\nI have gotten into many arguments with my Christian friends over this and I believe their problem is that they listen to what the preacher says and not the Bible.  For me, the Bible trumps the preacher any day.\n\nGreat job.\n\n===\nTo Williamzo: Exodus 21:22 says {para} "If two men fight and during the fight a pregnant woman is injured such that she miscarries, the man shall be FINED as the judges determine, but  if the woman also dies, then the man is put to death."  I suggest you read it again.\n\nWhat God is telling us in this verse is that an unborn baby is NOT the same thing as a human life.  If it were, the punishment would be death for that also.  Thus, God is telling us that abortion is NOT murder.\n\nBefore conception/before entering the womb - Isn't it obvious that God is talking about their spirit and not their physical body?
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3)You wrote, "Our difference is in the interpretation of the data." If the 'data' states specifically, "Every man shall be put to death for his own sin,' how do you interpret that statement to allow for Jesus dying for our sins? It seems to me that your interpretation of Isaiah must be incorrect, or that 'every man shall be put to death for his own sin,' does not mean what it says, or Gd changed His mind somewhere between Deut.24:16 and Isaiah 53.....???\n\n1)You say 'no mortal man can atone,' so who actually did the dying on the cross? Gd cant die, so it was Jesus-the-mortal-man, and so all you have is a human sacrifice, which Gd calls an abomination and something He hates, in Deut 12:30-31!\n\nFOR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ISAIAH 53, see the BEST ANSWER AT:::\n\nhttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/;_ylt=AqACR_rSjfAqZek.PZv_OM0jzKIX?qid=1005123006794\n\nFOR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT LEV. 17:11, see the web sites i refer you to below.\n\n2)And Jesus being your prophet priest and king, i refer you to what i wrote below, all the theology of Christianity still flies in the face of what Gd already revealed to us through his Bible. Even a Jesus/prophet/priest/king still has not brought about those things the real messiah will do!\n----\nThe basic beliefs of Christianity about Jesus are against what the Bible says, and so Real Jews cannot believe in Jesus at all.\n\nThe Christian understanding is that the Messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin.\n\nBut we are taught in our Torah that no one can die for the sins of another. In Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically says this:\n\nDeuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not \nbe put to death for the children, neither \nshall the children be put to death for\nthe fathers: \nevery man shall be put to death for his \nown sin (eesh b’chet-o yumatu).\n\nIn Exodus 32:30-35, Moses tries to offer himself to atone for the sins of the people. To be written out of Gd's book, means to be written out of the Book of Life, which means Moses was asking to die for the sins of the People. Gd's response is No, it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:\n\nExodus 32:30-35 And it came to pass on the \nmorrow, that Moses said unto the people, \nYe have sinned a great sin: and now I will \ngo up unto the Etrnl; perhaps I shall make \nan atonement for your sin. And Moses \nreturned unto the Etrnl, and said, Oh, \nthis people have sinned a great sin, and \nhave made them gods of gold. Yet now, if \nthou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, \nblot me, I pray thee, out of thy book \nwhich thou hast written. And the Etrnl \nsaid unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned \nagainst me, him will I blot out of my \nbook. \n\nThe whole of chapter 18 of the book of Ezekiel is about this idea, that no one can die for someone else's sin. Further, this chapter of Ezekiel teaches us that all we have to do for Gd's forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd will forgive us:::\n\n             Ezekiel 18:1-4; 20-24; 26-27 .....Behold, all \n             souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so \n             also the soul of the son is mine: the soul \n             that sinneth, it shall die. Eze 18:20 The soul \n             that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not \n             bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall \n             the father bear the iniquity of the son: the \n             righteousness of the righteous shall be upon \n             him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be \n             upon him. But if the wicked will turn from all \n             his sins that he hath committed, and keep all \n             my statutes, and do that which is lawful and \n             right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. \n             All his transgressions that he hath committed, \n             the
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It also says that God is VERY angry.  The bible clearly describes how he brought plagues, floods, and firestorms to kill thousands of people.  He also had millions more killed in the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Holocaust.  In the Bible people are supposed to be stoned for violating any one of the hundred biblical laws.  If the church got its way then very few of us would still be alive.  It is a good thing they lost the power to execute people at will without any justification.  I hear the church is still bitter about that fact.
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Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. \nI have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge \nwith as many people as I can. \nI do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other specific \nBiblical laws and how to follow them.\n\na) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a \npleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. \nThey claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?\n\nb) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in \nExodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price \nfor her?\n\nc) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her \nperiod of menstrual uncleanness (Lev.15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? \nI have tried asking, but most women take offense. If I come into contact with \na woman who is menstruating and she doesn't tell me until afterwards, must I \nkill her immediately or can I just beat her?\n\nd) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, \nprovided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims\nthat this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? \nWhy can't I own Canadians?\n\ne) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 \nclearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill \nhim myself? Also, is Sabbath on Saturday as Seventh Day Adventists \n(Christians, like us...or are they?) or is it on Sunday as Baptists and \nsome other faiths agree? I am beset by not knowing who to kill and when \nto kill them...please clarify this for me.\n\nf) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination\n (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality (Lev. 18:22). \nI don't agree. I'm also confused about how homosexuality can be an abomination \nwhen Jonathan and David were married in the Bible (1 Samuel 18:1, 3 - 4). \nHere, I'll quote it - "And it came to pass, when he had made an end of \nspeaking unto Saul that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David \nand Jonathan loved him as his own soul. Then Jonathan and David made a \ncovenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself\nof the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even \nto his sword and to his bow and to his girdle." and also Ruth's relationship \nwith Naomi is suspect, (Ruth 1:16-17) "And Ruth said to Naomi, Entreat me not \nto leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, \nI will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, \nand thy God my God: Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: \nthe Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part three and me.\n" Can you settle this?\n\ng) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a \ndefect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my \nvision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?\n\nh) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around \ntheir temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27 and even \nthough 1st Cor. 11:4-6 says that it is a shame upon a man to have long hair. \nHow should they die?\n\ni) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me \nunclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? Also, since it is \nstrictly forbidden to "eat neither fat nor blood" in Lev. 3:17 & Lev. 19:26, \ndoes that mean that I must be a vegetarian and must I smite those who choose \nto eat meat?\n\nj) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different \ncrops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two \ndifferent kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse \nand blaspheme a lot. Is i
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Proof that our "friend" is a hypocrite and a mental case, see above.\n\nI ask myself every time I read the Bible, what does this mean FOR me.
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I am not aware of any passage stating that God dealt with Elisha about this incident.\nAs far as I can tell, Elisha cursed them in the Name of the Lord, and God is the one who sent the bears. There is no indication that Elisha called the bears down upon them, merely that He spoke a curse (removal of God's protection and blessing), and God is the one who decided how the curse would be fulfilled.\n\nIn my study of this passage, I have concluded that the "children" refered to here are (by other uses of the same Hebrew word) probably young men, and the phrase "Go up, thou baldy" means that they rejected Elisha's ministry as being from God. I read this as an Old Testament parallel of what Jesus refered to as the unpardonable sin in  Matthew 12:31-32.
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"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple."  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded.  "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!"  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."  (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)\n\n\n If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins.  I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted.  (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)\n\n\n(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came.  He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors."  The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day.  Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing."  (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)\n\n\n "Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge!  Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD.  "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction".   (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)\n\n\n As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)\n\nand maaannnyyy more if u interesting, but i think i already made a very good point...
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Interesting question. \n\nOdd, how in the Old Testament that God is portrayed as vengeful and angry, and in the new, he suddenly seems to change his mind...
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Nope,it's one of those passages that I disagree with.What you quoted was one of many unethical verses in the bible.I don't believe or follow everything I read.
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Just like all Scripture, this one too, is often misquoted by people who do not understand the context or the meaning. So, while it's sad, we need to pray for them to have their eyes opened and try to gently instruct them (1Corinthians 12:31) "in a more excellent way". \n\nUnless you undersstand the culture of the time, it would be easy to misunderstand the verse. When God gave this law to Israel through Moses, it was set as a "Maximum" penalty. In other words "you shall take no MORE than an eye for an eye".\nExodus 21 goes on to say that if you strike a servant of yours and they lose an eye or a tooth, you should set them free on account of the eye or the tooth.\nLeviticus 24:22 (repeating the same command) the also says that it applies without respect to persons (whether a native or a stranger).\nWhen Jesus Quoted this passage he went on to explain that to fulfill this law means not taking any vengeance.\nMatthew 5:39-49
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How about Bible Leviticus Chapter 11 : 7-8?\n\nHmm...\n\nBelievers, eat from the good things that We have given you and give thanks to God if you worship only Him (2:172). \n\nGod has forbidden you to eat that which has not been properly slaughtered, blood, pork, and the flesh of any animal which has not been consecrated with a mention of the Name of God. However, in an emergency, without the intention of transgression or repeating transgression, one will not be considered to have committed a sin. God is All-forgiving and All-merciful. (2:173)
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I generally despise Bible quotes as answers, but I think this one might be appropriate:\n\n(Exodus 32:27-29) and Moses told them, "Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: Put your sword on your hip, everyone of you!  Now go up and down the camp, from gate to gate, and slay your kinsmen, your friends and neighbors!"  The Levites carried out the command of Moses, and that day there fell about three thousand of the people.  Then Moses said, "Today you have dedicated to the Lord, for you were against your own sons and kinsmen, to bring a blessing upon yourselves this day."\n\nMoses had 3,000 of his own people executed in one day.  What a wonderful person.  We should all be just like him ...\n\n... or maybe not.
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Good question!\n\nWhich brings us to the fact that Jesus was a man spreading the Word of God and not being penalized for everyone elses mistakes. They will be held accountable. We are responsable for our own actions. Would that then mean that we can freely sin since we have been saved? i think not.\n\nWell done you for highlighting this!\n\nto the person who said Jesus went to hell for 3 days to get the souls of those who were wrongfully sent there, are you implying that God makes mistakes now??\n\nand i wish people would stop rhetorically quoting the bible as their answer without explanation, like they know what it means anyway, its just rhetoric.\n\nand for the record, if all sins have been cleansed through Jesus and his crucifiction, then will someone please tell me the point of judgement day??!!!
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I believe when Christians rewrote the Commandment they intended the term "kill" to refer to human beings therefore having the same meaning as the Hebrew.  There is a lot of discussion on defending oneself though.  Jesus said to turn the other cheek in the New Testament.  The early martyrs of the Church did just that.  They didn't fight back when the Romans and others feed them to the lions or tortured them.  They literaly turned the other cheek and went to their deaths, not defending themselves or killing anyone therefore obeying the Commandment"Thy shalt not kill."  Therefore for a lot of Christians, the death penalty and killing that takes place in war is just as abominable as abortion.  Pro Life and Anti abortion are two totally diffferent takes on this commandment. I won't turn this into a debate on that though, but in my opinion, killing another human is wrong no matter what the circumstance.  This is what God told us and He didn't make any footnotes when He gave us the Commandment.  This is my opinion only.