If you have, did you understand what the maker was trying to say because I really saw it just as we are seeing it now... people really don't relize what would happen if we lost that population. Just want to see what your thoughts are. You can chime in about the whole issue as well (the new law being past). I just feel like: A - A huge emphisis is being put on the Mexican population and not the total population of people entering the US from other coutries seeking residence/work. B - People are hung up on the welfare issue, but overall the program has abusers, mainly US citizens. C - People forget how this country was formed - what are/were people doing to help the "american indian" population which have never been given what was taken or offered. D - People tend to forget about that when we became a nation, California had to be violently ripped from the mexican natives. All that seperates us, is an imaginary line that the government drew. Seeking a better life just as the first settler
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Yes, that movie does a great job of showing what life might be like without immigrants (legal or illegal).  It's such complex issue, and people keep trying to boil it down to simple right vs. wrong.  As in many situations, right vs. wrong depends on what side you're on.
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To all those mocking such a thought and dismissing it as fantasy, you have a very short memory. It has been less than 2 weeks since La Raza and Mecha showed us exactly how organized they really are. Have you all forgotten the tens of thousands of illegals and their supporters marching through the streets of our cities carrying not American flags, but Mexican flags?! You don't think that if they can manage to get amnesty, and start applying political pressure (they already are) that they will get voting rights for all of these people? And once they can vote, they will effectively vote as a bloc. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Once they own the politicians, they will own the country. If you don't think so, all you have to do is look West to California. I have seen voting blocs at work, and they are a force to be reckoned with. And unless we stand up now and stop what is happening, your grandchildren will be speaking Spanish in a third world nation - The USA.
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OK thats a good question ... up to now I do agree with Gonzalez... I hate to tell you this mi amigo Hayleylov but it is true that there was a big part of land that was taken (NOT Conquered)that is known as US territory now. It is on many US History books and Predator maybe you should take a look before telling someone to read history without reading it yourself first.Pain and blood had run through the US street as well. Back in the time there were the indians who were forced to become "The Guests" of their OWN LAND and the worst part is that they still suffering the damage that this society have done to them. A fair land??? Yes it was fair for the ones that took the Land and worked the slaves. I mean common people this country was build on many people's pain and it continues to be that way until we stop to THINK whats really a GOOD REASON to treat humans that bad (Is power a good reason?) . Otherwise, kingdoms collapse like many did back on time. The pain will continue even if they legalize millions of people (mexicans, asians, cubans etc) it doesnt matter if the racism and hate still spreads around. What difference will it make????  \nPlus this country is based on immigration LEGAL or ILLEGAL you' all got here someway or another dindt ya?... So pleeeeeeeease stop being such close minded and be realistic for once before making comments. And do whatever you want to do with illegals as long as you do it as a ONE NATION UNDER GOD. Peace =)
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Probably what these folks are referring to are government reparations, in the form of laws that have made Native Americans sovereign governments unto themselves - tribal governments that may operate businesses in international trade zones, etc. - such as casinos, even if they don't agree with state laws. I can't imagine anyone seeing this as "making it up to them" anymore than we can say I am of European heritage, so I did it to them {Actually, I am Cherokee, Spanish-Jew, European Catholic go figure}. We cannot, however, throw out the baby with the bath water, so to speak. In an attempt to 'repair' the damage done to the culture, standard of living, and gene pool as a whole, this decision was made. It is a constantly changing and growing, evolving thing....as the consequences of that decision evolve, we see results and all have to live with it and adjust. Here in Oklahoma, for instance, state highways and roads are paid for with public tax dollars to reach these 'international trade zones.' what about that? On the other hand, the tribes ALL provide an amazing amount of charity and other structural social good support to society at large here. Again, we have to deal with it as we go along -- just like the many tribes as ethnicities have had to struggle with many questions. Here, there are fights in the tribes I have heard about between the "pure" bloods, or 1/2 versus 1/8 blood, etc. It seems to never end. What I personally believe is important is recognizing and acknowledging what occurred, in its truthful entirety. A good step toward this is the first ever National Museum for Native Americans- see the site below. I personally have read much about the Trail of Tears and the book "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" still rips at my guts as I write this. These are tough issues with roots deep in the past. To compare this with 9-11 is, in my opinion, a fallacious argument at best; a disservice to a near genocidal event at worst. We cannot make such general, thoughtless statements off the cuff; after all, we are all Americans if we live in the 50 states, whether hyphenated with another lineage or not.
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No - American Citizens Can SEE Through The LIE That They Are Trying To Hand Us -\nThat Means That We Are NOT As Dumb As They Thought\nTheyre Gonna Have To Come Up With Another Plan, Because Theyre ALL About To Get Deported\n************************\n***In Response To Panchas Answer\n\nThere are 12 million illegal immigrants in this country RIGHT NOW.(WRONG - THERE ARE 20 Million Or More - And They Arrive At A Rate Of 8 Thousand More EACH DAY From MEXICO)\n\nIf they all became LEGAL right now that means:\nThey for sure would be paying taxes.(imagine how much 12 million ppl would contrbute)(HA-HA THEY DONT PAY EM NOW,YOU THINK THEYRE GONNA START IF WE JUST SLAP EM ON THE WRIST??? - AND WHOS GONNA PAY ME BACK FOR ALL THE TAXES I PAID INTO THE SYSTEM ALREADY??? - ID RATHER CUT MY LOSSES AND CHASE)\n\nThey would have to be paid decent wages(thus not lowering wages).(THE WAGES HAVE ALREADY BEEN LOWERED - WHEN WE DEPORT, THE WAGES WILL INCREASE)\n\nThey would no longer be ILLEGAL.(tired of hearing that one,how are ppl illegal).(YEAH BUT 20 MILLION MORE ILLEGALS WILL SHOW UP)\n\nThey would be documented,with health screens,finger prints,background checks.(YEAH AND I SUPPOSE YOU IMAGINE THEYRE ALL GONNA SHOW UP FOR THAT)\n\nThey could no longer be exploited.(THEY EXPLOITED THEMSELVES - DONT BLAME THAT ON US)\n\nI know I am forgetting some things,but I think this is the only solution(here come the insults).(YOURE FORGETTING TOO MUCH TO LIST HERE - BUT ILL LIST 3\nTHEY BROKE OUR LAWS - THEY MUST BE PENALIZED\nMANY OF THEM HAVE STOLEN/FORGED DOCUMENTS - THEY MUST BE PENALIZED\nTHEYRE TAKING JOBS THAT AMERICANS DO WANT)\n\nI don't agree with breaking apart families,or sending ppl away that have been productive members if this society for decades.(I DONT AGREE WITH THAT EITHER - THEYRE "FAMILIES" LIVE IN MEXICO - OR HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE $$$39 BILLION LEAVING OUR ECONOMY INTO MEXICO EVERY YEAR??? - WE SHOULD RE-UNITE THEM WITH THEIR FAMILIES IN MEXICO IMMEDIATELY VIA DEPORTATION)\n\n"Illegal" immigration has been going on for a long time and only now it is a country wide issue.(YES IT HAS BEEN - IS - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - ITS GONNA END NOW)\n\nAnd I don't think all those ppl should be deported because some ppl want to label them as "illegal" or because they are stigmatized.(I DO - AND SO DO 90 PERCENT OF THE OTHER TAXPAYERS IN THIS NATION)\n\nAnd I also think the border should be better looked after.\n(FINALLY - SOMETHING WE CAN AGREE ON)
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Are you married?  If so, do you have children?  You should have an opinion to this Immigration Reform, if not for yourself, for the future of your children and their children.  In 1985, I believe, Reagan had a similar bill pass congress allowing those illegal immigrants to stay and become citizens.  Since then, the flood gates of illegals have opened wider, 11 plus million have crossed from 1990s to 2004.  Now, we are facing yet another immigration reform, why?  Because the government didn't step up to the plate when it was time to do so and enforce the illegals from crossing over.  They allowed it, day after day, month after month, year after year.  Now they must face the music on this and do something about it.  But at who's expense?  Not the illegals, but the true Americans that struggle making ends meet.  If the American people don't step up and stop our government doing this, we might as well open the border completely and let any and all who want to come here from Mexico, Canada, and all over the world in.  It's not just Mexicans from Mexico that are here illegal.  Watch the news, they are interviewing many from all regions of the world that are here and have been here for years illegally.  I know we all come from immigrant backgrounds, unless you are a true blooded Indian from North America.  But, our forefathers before us come the legal way.  That's how these illegals should have to do.  Send them home and let them come through the proper channels.  If they had children here, send the children with them.  Just because they were born in the USA should NOT constitute them to be classified as an American citizen if in fact their parents are illegal aliens.  There's a lot to the topic that needs to be addressed and resolved for the betterment of the American people, not the American government.
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thanks,  we must know !! even if its stomach turning so many Americans are clueless i see this crap in my town all the time\n\n\npancho : looked like a racist rallies to me \n i thought they  left to be part of America not turn America into mexico doesn't that make sense? if you saw a picnic\nfull of white people in mexico with american flags saying this is our land and were taking it back .  with spray painted pictures of white people looking all militant and crap.saying  white and proud you would be outraged so you are racist  their proud of ca ca mexico .
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@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@\n\nLeave Mexico alone.  \n\nIt is man-made division anyway!  How would anyone like to be on the other side of the less fortunate.\n\nI think it is usually the ones who are not getting ahead who are really afraid of others taking their patch.\n\nThe successful and purposeful people (not necessary rich) don't worry this much about migrants coming to steal their bread, rice, pasta, etc. They know if they work hard enough, they'll have their share!\n\n_________________________________________\nIt is like the dog that sits put guarding his bowl for his master to top it up, eats whatever is given, not much of a choice; \n\nThese dogs are similar to people who don't travel (besides some genuine cases of dislike for travels), people who can't afford to travel because they are losers waiting around their little plot ready to jump at newcomers who move around for their existence.  \n\nAt least these migrants (I only support legal ones) are doing something positive about their lives - taking charge of their destiny and being proactive for their existence.  They are those who don't believe that someone else own them their living!)\n\n\nVersus the other dog who leaves his bowl knowing where to find food elsewhere, finds what he likes, having choices!  and then when these winners cast their eyes besides them, they see nothing but the same old loser of a 'bowls-guarding dogs'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loser with mentality that because we are born on this patch, we have the rights to sit down and wait to be served??????\n\nThe quicker these mentality of birth rights are put in the right perspective, this world will have less losers.\n\nPeople who keep barking around their bowls are losers anyway.  So they can keep barking, nothing much will change.  \n\nThe hard workers win, it is nature's law, like it or not!\n\n------------------------------------------\n\n@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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I wonder if the original native Americans (Red Injuns as you called em) had a say in the matter when the whites from across the ocean invaded their country and all but exterminated them.\n\nYou, dear person are also a descendant of immigrants yourself, I'm sure, as are most of the white and black American folks replying to you, unless you are of Native American descent (which I am sure you would not be proud to proclaim, if you were). Even the guys who came over on the Mayflower, they initiated the unjustness by being the harbingers of terror that culminated in the annihilation of native Americans\n\nI wonder when the Caucasian will ever get over the white 'massa' superiority complex?\n\n\nAmerica has been drawing people from all over the world, right from the days of it's discovery as a land with the fabled pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. Give it some more time, you'll end up with an exodus of people, as is happening among the immigrants from India which is gaining from the Brain Gain as opposed to the earlier brain drain.\n\nI remember when my cousin migrated to the US in the seventies, people had similar complaints about the Indians.\n\nTh reverse is happening now, a number of western countries have their top people insisting on an India stint, and the Indians, well they wanna come back to their roots\n\nst\n====================================================\nManicman:\nGive them time to, well assimilate!, as did most American forefathers! Let them understand that this (taxes, education and stuff like that) would be good for them, if you try to drive em out and hound them and try all the racism, then you are just going to increase the hatred, and have them doing stuff  like propogating the Mexican flag. \n\nDon't you understand that if you corner anybody, that being is going to cry out for help, and that's what they are doing, making the world aware of their plight by waving the Mex flag and burning the Stars and Stripes? What better way to come on prime time news than this?
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Our Senators said F.U. the American people.  I so agree with Godzilla.  Also think about this, how many more illegal women are thinking of getting knocked up while here as a guest worker.  They are supposed to go home after two years,  how are we going to make them go home if they have a bunch of American kids? We need to revoke that privilege if we are to curtail further illegal immigration. If an illegal alien has a child here, that child should be the nationality of the mother's home country.   They may start to think twice about coming here if we do that in conjunction with tighter security at the border, and making it a felony for an employer to knowingly hire illegals. We can't just have more border patrol agents because guess what, the word has already gone to Mexico and even more are going to come storm our border to nullify to new additions to the B.P.  What do we do now?
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viper_najem-I AGREE The Asker IS An EGOTISTIC Loser\n\nbanana_bean01 Asked 2 Of The BEST Questions Ive EVER Seen Posted In ANY Of These Forums\n\nteresa-I WISH More People Would Understand The Underlying Economics As You See Them Because The Issue IS NATIONAL ECONOMICS NOT RACE\n\nJust Cause Life In MEX. And Some Other Countries "SUCKS"\nDont Give Someone A RIGHT To Be In This Nation\n\nAnd I Know That Pres.Fox Is CORRUPT But THAT\nDont Give Someone A RIGHT To Be In This Nation\n\nAnd Just Cause You Dont Have A Criminal Record\nDont Give Someone A RIGHT To Be In This Nation\n\nThis Is A NATION With LAWS-THAT IS The REALITY\nThis NATION Of LAWS Has BORDERS\nIt Dont MATTER HOW It Got To Be That Way\nTHAT Is The Way It Is\nThe INDIANs, The BUFFALOs, The WARs, The ESKIMOEs,\nIT DONT MATTER-Thats The WAY It IS\n\nYou Have The RIGHT To Be Here If \n1:You Were BORN Here\n2:You Take The Basic Nessesary Steps To Apply For A VISA And Then CITIZENSHIP And Are APPROVED\nTHAT Is The LAW In THIS NATION\nIF EITHER 1 or 2 Of The ABOVE Are In Fact TRUE\nThen You Are A CITIZEN Of This Nation\nAnd You Have A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT To Be Here\n\nTHATS IT-THATS ALL-There Are NO More Arguements About The RIGHT To Be Here In This NATION Of LAWS\n\nILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS Have No Constitutional Rights\n\nYou CANNOT "STEAL" The RIGHT To Be Here As You CANNOT STEAL ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS\nIf You DO, You Are A FELON\nYouve BROKEN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS\nIf You VIOLATE The FEDERAL LAWS Of A NATION, You Are A CRIMINAL\n\nIts THAT SIMPLE \nIf You Break Into A House To Steal Property, That Is An ILLEGAL ACTION, With A PENALTY If You Are Caught \nIf You SNEAK Across The BORDER Of A NATION To STEAL The RIGHT To Be There, That Is An ILLEGAL ACTION, With A PENALTY If You Are Caught\n\nILLEGAL ALIENS in America are here only because they are GUILTY of CRIMINAL VIOLATION of our FEDERAL LAWS, Jumping our borders and living in a shadowy underground economy. They are morally culpable for shoving aside those who adhere to the law and enter these United States in orderly and Legal Fashion. Since when do criminals and cheaters receive pride of place for the blessings of liberty, over those honestly, earnestly and faithfully seeking to become American citizens? \n\nPresident Bush has called for a reasonable and civil debate over the issues of border security and immigration reform. But the American people understand there can be no responsible immigration reform UNTIL OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE. “Guest worker” amnesty programs ARE NOT a part of border security. Amnesty is not the answer. To grant amnesty to these trespassers is to say "You crossed our borders ILLEGALLY, You BROKE OUR LAWS and now we are REWARDING you with U.S. Citizenship -- Congratulations!" \n\nThis is unacceptable. \n\n\nWe cannot allow illegals to remain in this country because it sends the very clear message to anyone from any country: \nGo ahead and enter the U.S. illegally. Nothing will be done to you. \nThe stupid Americans will pay to feed you, clothe you, educate your kids and pay for your medical care\nwhile they themselves are forced to go without because they can't afford health insurance because their tax dollars are paying for you! \nHa, Ha! Go ahead and enter the U.S. illegally If you're a terrorist, no problem, go ahead and build your cells, blow up buildings and schools.\nNothing will happen because American politicians are too cowardly to repel this invasion and deport the millions of \nillegals aready here while the illegals rub their lawlessness in our faces.\n\nAFRAID???-AFRAID???-NO< Im NOT AFRAD-IM PI$$ED\n\nIM MAD AS HELL-And IM NOT GONNA TAKE THIS $HIT \n\nYou Wish To Become AMERICANS With The RIGHTS Of AMERICANS .. \nYet Many Of You REFUSE To SPEAK My/Our LANGUAGE \nAnd REFUSE To Honor My/Our Flag \nWell I REFUSE To Let YOU Continue To Burden My Pocket \nAnd The Pockets Of My "PROUD TO BE AMERICAN" BROTHERS \nOf ANY DESCENT\n\nY
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Back to sqaure one, my oft repeated answer to such q's (apt, and anyway  it does get me two points) \n\nI wonder if the original native Americans (Red Injuns as you called em) had a say in the matter when the whites from across the ocean invaded their country and all but exterminated them.\n\nYou, dear person are also a descendant of immigrants yourself, I'm sure, as are most of the white and black American folks replying to you, unless you are of Native American descent (which I am sure you would not be proud to proclaim, if you were). Even the guys who came over on the Mayfair, they initiated the unjustness by being the harbingers of terror that culminated in the annihilation of native Americans\n\nI wonder when the Caucasian will ever get over the white 'massa' superiority complex?\n\n\nAmerica has been drawing people from all over the world, right from the days of it's discovery as a land with the fabled pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. Give it some more time, you'll end up with an exodus of people, as is happening among the immigrants from India which is gaining from the Brain Gain as opposed to the earlier brain drain.\n\nI remember when my cousin migrated to the US in the seventies, people had similar complaints about the Indians.\n\nTh reverse is happening now, a number of western countries have their top people insisting on an India stint, and the Indians, well they wanna come back to their roots.\n\nSo this is gonna happen with the 'greasers' as you seem to allude to the people of Mexican descent in your polite, but hard hitting questions in the immigration section of Yahoo Answers!
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The Mexican Government can very well afford to take care of all of its own people. Their oil industry is the second richest in the world next to Saudi Arabia. The Mexican government is exploiting its own people making things hard for them to survive at home and then encouraging them to migrate in droves to the United States. Their agenda is two fold. One is that they want to take back California and Texas and they are using their citizens to come here in such numbers that we cannot keep up with it. They are also organizing the illegals here to protest that we have a problem with their illegality (Mexico would never put up with us doing that to them) and with the financial burden they are imposing on American tax payers. The second agenda of the Mexican government in pushing out their citizens into the United States is that the illegals send back over a billion dollars a year to Mexico and that BOOSTS their economy BIG TIME. (It HURTS our economy BIG TIME). Too many people here have been fooled  into thinking that the poor Mexicans have no alturnative but to come here or starve. NOT TRUE!!!  Vincente Fox is a snake in the grass. He is greedy and uses his citizens to take us over and get richer and we don't even know it.  And we, as compassionate a country as we are, we still should not be used like we are bythe Mexican government.
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I Think I Understand Where Your Goin With This Question Jack\n\nIf We See The US As A LIFEBOAT...And The People Tryin To \nFind A Better Life(ILLEGAL Immigrants)Being The VICTIMS Of A SINKING Ship\n\nThe Life Boat Holds 30 People - (Citizens And LEGAL Immigrants)\n\nAnd Theres Only ONE Boat-With Enough Food And Water \n(JOBS) For The People On Board(Citizens And LEGALS)\n\nYet There Are HUNDREDS Of VICTIMS Treading Water (Illegals)\n\nYea...I Can See It...Yea, Lets Let Em ALL In\n\nNeed I Say More??? Everybody Get It???\n\nGood Question Jack..When DO We Row Away???\n\nI Think A Good Time To Start Rowing Away Is BEFORE The BOAT Overloads And SINKS...\n\nOr Were ALL Up $HIT Creek---\n\nThanks Jack-I Think I See Things A Little More Clear Now
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That is disappointing, to say the least.  Disgusting, actually.  I am thinking the so-called new energy into "enforcement" of the immigration laws are just lip service to pacify the American citizens who want to think the borders are being sealed and the government is actually doing it's very best to prevent illegal immigration.  I think whoever was the person in Immigration who told the sheriff to let them go should be forced to answer for this and he should lose his job to someone who will do the job he is being paid to do!
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Don't sweat the idiots hon...  NO ONE in this country understands poverty that grave and that kind of desperation is foreign to the people who say such things...\n\nI'd feel bad for this country if anything were ever to happen that we couldn't get ourselves out of... (I'd be on my way to Japan personally)   and being that there are madmen with weapons all over right now...  I'd think rather than yap.  Never know how life is going to go.  If we were ever on the balls of our asses...  I would imagine Mexico would be a country we would go to for help in fighting?  \n\nPeople go nuts when we have gas shortages, can you actually imagine any american (one having known nothing but a lifetime of privlidge and freedom) having to revert back to their more primal human structures? It would be laughable to see how a good golf game works in with having to get dirty and defend your country...\n\n Most americans can't even plant a garden, or filter water or do very much of anything needed to survive in case of a war or an emergency.  We are all interdependent and trust the government exclusively to keep us in our decadence and our luxury.  Therefore we have no right to judge another country that lacks that kind of government support.  It is not the common working Mexican citizens fault that they are oppressed to such an extreme.  We should be happy to help them considering.  \n\n"To whom much is given,  much is required..."  The Bible\n\nWhen people talk, and observe and live closer  to what they only otherwise judge from distances.  Then they come to understand.  We need more social experimentation like the guy that does those 30-days shows and less accusation and blame.  \n\nPersonally...  I woud love to see the rich fall a notch or two.  It would be rather interesting to even things out again like in the crash in the 40's.  Im certain it was the rich that jumped out windows when the market fell...  The poor just sucked in their guts, tightened their belts, adjusted  and hustled... they were used to it.\n\nPeople have got to remember...  Not all citizens ancestors came through legal channels and if the country was so very concerned with border patrol, they would have more policing along the coast of Oregon and California...  There is 1 border officer for the ENTIRE state of Oregon!  \n\nIt is rediculous all around.
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Einstein is your leader?  Sorry.\n\nI don't want them to stay and I don't want anyone to come--we are too crowded period. I care about the land-period.\n\nIf you do stay-life goes on. I will adjust. I will not support law breaking. I will not support a bad government (we have one too). But I do not break the laws. I won't go out of my way to turn someone in for being here and I will be nice to all-just don't ask me to break a law or lie for you. I will not pretend everything is fine-I face facts. And many problems have been caused by the flood of people coming in. And more will be coming. Sad but true.\n\nMy conclusion is--our government will do just a little on the border to appease the people. Not a lot. I am not sure what they will do on Amnesty. If they say OK fine. \n Do I want it this way-no.\n  \nAnd if we combine--I hope we don't destroy the land in Mexico with our constance building and rape of the land. And letting in more than we can pay for or care for.\n\nEinstein? Hasn't he gone over the edge  of reasoning a little?