those of you who come up with the grape juice foolishness, why would your always correct bible use the word "wine" when it meant juice?
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My father, who was Methodist, felt that had Jesus been Methodist, Leonardo would have had to repaint the Last Supper with Donald Duck Grape Juice and Wonder Bread.
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Christians and Alcohol\n\nby David J. Stewart\n\nThere is NO "safe" amount of alcohol\n\n"Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?  They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.  Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.  At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.  Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.  Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.  They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again." -Proverbs 23:29-35\n\nAlcohol is a Mind-Altering Drug\n\nThere is absolutely NO way for a believer to justify drinking alcoholic beverages.  The Scriptures found in Proverbs 23:29-35 clearly warn everyone (Christian or non-Christian) to abstain from the DANGEROUS SUBSTANCE OF ALCOHOL.   "Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.  At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder."  Did you read that?...LOOK NOT!  God is telling us NOT to drink intoxicating wine, not even to "look" at it (i.e., consider drinking it)!  For the wise Christian, drinking alcohol is NOT even an option.\n\nThe Bible is such a practical book.  I recently ran across an atheist's website.  The man tried to discredit God and the Bible by pointing out all the ugly portions of the Bible.  But the real world is ugly and God is very honest with us in the Bible.  It doesn't surprise me that spoiled rotten Americans would have a problem with the Bible.  The Bible puts the cookies on the bottom shelf...the truth is there if you want it.  Most people don't want to hear the truth (but ironically say they do).  \n\nIf you'll take another look at the above passage of Scriptures, you'll find the truth about alcohol...it "biteth like a serpent" and "stingeth like an adder".  "Strange women" is simply a reference to women who are not his wife.  It's just a fact, alcohol and immorality go together!  The reference to a man lying down in the "midst of the sea" is simply his hallucinations from the effects of the alcohol.  Likewise, the hallucination of lying down at the top of the ship's mast.  Alcohol is a DRUG!  This is a well-established FACT.  As such, alcohol should be treated as a drug but is not.  Alcohol abuse has killed millions, whereas Marijuana has not.  So why is alcohol legal when Marijuana is not?   Multitudes of people have spent years in prison for smoking and/or selling Marijuana.  Unbelievably, there are people who have been sentenced to life in prison for mere drug possession, while drunk drivers who committed murder walked away Scot-free.   Alcohol is far more dangerous and intoxicating than Marijuana.  This is a great HYPOCRISY in America.  The Bible clearly teaches that the effects of alcohol have sinful tendencies.  \n\n \n\nAlcohol's Bloodthirsty History\n\nLook again at the Scriptures above..."They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again."  Clearly, this is a reference to drunkenness.  Only God knows how many beer-drinking people have woke up the next morning, suffering from a hangover, not remembering what sins they committed the night before.  Hundreds-of-thousands of alcoholics  have frozen to death on city streets, feeling no coldness due to the numbing effect of the alcohol.  Many others have been jack-rolled (beaten up) and didn't remember anything when they woke up in the hospital.   It is wickedness!  Millions-upon-millions of Americans br
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biblepreacher2,\n\nJesus was called a drunkard because He drank, and He also associated with drunkards. He was called a friend of sinners because He chose to hang out with sinners and tax collectors. \n\nThe Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." Matthew 11:19\n\nI have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. Matthew 9:13\n\nWith your professed belief, I don’t suppose that you will “hear” me, but anything is possible. Jesus died for your sin and someone must have associated with you and prayed for you or you would be like those that you shun. It is not Christian to circle the wagons or assemble inside the “fortress” of church and refuse to venture into the world to love those Jesus died to save.\n\nAs Christians, we must get out in our world. We are the light of the world. If all of the light is inside the church, why are we surprised that there is great, growing darkness outside? The book of James says that faith without works is dead. I would say that love without works is dead, too. Are we not violating the second commandment, “… love your neighbor as yourself.” and the Great Commission, when we stay inside the walls of the church? Jesus said that He can separate those who are going to heaven and those who are not by whether they demonstrate love for their neighbor. God looks at our heart, but as He looks at our heart if there is love for our neighbor, then it must find expression, or it isn’t love at all, is it?\n\nWhen the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.\n\nThen the King will say to those on His right, “Come, you who are blessed by My Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited Me in, I needed clothes and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you came to visit Me.”\n\nThen the righteous will answer Him, “Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? When did we see You a stranger and invite You in, or needing clothes and clothe You? When did we see You sick or in prison and go to visit You?”\n\nThe King will reply, “I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.”\n\nThen He will say to those on His left, “Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite Me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after Me.”\n\nThey also will answer, “Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help You?”\n\nHe will reply, “I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.” Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. Matthew 25:31-46\n\nIt is not about you and me.\n\nWe’re already saved. We know Jesus. It’s all about introducing as many people as possible to Jesus. It’s all about ministering to the lost and the dying – for they will surely die without our witness.\n\nTwo Moravian missionaries felt that God wanted them to reach hundreds of slaves on a remote island with the gospel; however, the slave owner wouldn’t allow any Christian witness on his island. The two young men sold themselves to the slave owner, and
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Don't you have that backwards? I've met many people who believe every word in the bible even if you can prove that it is a miss translation, or against known facts. The bible can be used to "prove" anything you like if you take it out of context and add your own spin.
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Is this Jesus now or Jesus when he was in a human body.I think Jesus could handle his liquor better.(this is pure speculation at my part)You always heard of Jesus drinking wine in the bible and I never heard of moses drinking wine  (I claim to be no bible scholar, thus I could be wrong. There is too much violence in the bible and the characters are painfully one dimensional for me to get into the book) Nevertheless, at the end of Jesus's career he drank lots of wine and ate lots of fish.Fish having a better amino acid profile than desert weeds which was accessible to Moses.Thus, Jesus was younger and more buff than Moses( and being the son of god can't be a negative)----Jesus wins,  a fair bet in Vegas 5:1
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Ok I've had it. You're an idiot. I hate to be so blunt because I don't know you. But seriously, if you were intelligent you'd realize that the bible is a joke. To prove to me that you're not an idiot and that you're beliefs are your own arrived at because of personal experience and not what someone else told you to believe, you have to answer these questions:\n\n1. What language did Jesus speak to his followers? If you don't know this answer and it's ramifications then you are a naive follower who is devoting his/her life to something you don't fully understand. The bible has been re-translated and re-translated so many times that many IMPORTANT terms have changed their meanings to the opposite!\n\n2.Faith is Unreliable: \nA common characteristic of both theism and religion is their reliance on faith: belief in the existence of god and in the truth of religious doctrines is neither founded upon nor defended by logic, reason, evidence, or science. Instead, people are supposed to have faith — a position they wouldn’t consciously adopt with just about any other issue. Faith, though, is an unreliable guide to reality or means for acquiring knowledge.\n\n3.Life is Material, not Supernatural: \nMost religions say that life is much more than the flesh and matter we see around us. In addition, there is supposed to be some sort of spiritual or supernatural realm behind it all and that our "true selves" is spiritual, not material. All evidence, though, points to life being a purely natural phenomenon. All evidence indicates that who we really are — our selves — is material and dependent upon the workings of the brain. If this is so, religious and theistic doctrines are wrong.\n\n4.Gods Just Don't Matter: \nMost religious people place a great deal of importance on their god and insist that what God wants is the most important things a person can be concerned with. But there is no evidence to that. Evil men go unpunished, and bad things happen to good people. Innocents are killed. And the only answers that are given to explain this are "God Knows Best"? Or it'll all work out in Heaven? Yet no evidence exists of any of that. Nowhere (except the bible) is it obvious that the existence or desires of gods should matter to us or our actions.
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I can attest that the KJV does mistranslate a lot of words. My trusty NIV holds up pretty well, I think I've only found two slight errors, but the KJV is definitely shaky at best. And no, the "thee" and "thou" parts of the KJV are not problematic, that is simply the language of the day and it doesn't matter if you translate, "thou art happy" or "you are happy", its the same thing. I love Greek.
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Yes.  God should worship us and give us money!!!  Heck, he's God.  Why does he need money.  If I could make water into wine I wouldn't be beggin from people with a basket on Sunday.  I'd be home drinking :)
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If it was a drink to root out adulterating women and not babies, does that make God a misogynist instead of a baby killer?  Interesting that no one is concerned about the men that cheat.  Further interesting that God encourages a woman to be punish for cheating by death (the penalty for cheating was death for WOMEN, not men.  There is no penalty for cheating for men except his wife is allowed to divorce him and marry someone else -- according to God; she can't divorce him if he beats her, but if he cheats, well alright then). \nAnyway, how the hell is a drink supposed to tell if a woman cheated?!  Is it a magical drink that differentiates between her husband and her lovers sperm?  What if she douched?  Kill her anyway, just in case?
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Water, wine, mead, honey.  Read the Gospels:  Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.  It's all in there.  Do a study of ancient Jewish customs.
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In the translation of my copy of the Bible, they state flat-out that they do this out of respect for people (including the Jews, whose scripture they are translating) who might feel offended seeing the Name of God in print to potentially be abused.  They add that where the proper name of God is used, they translated it to LORD, all caps, while "The Lord" was translated to a normal proper noun.
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Wow, this is an easy question. I think you know the answer already, but basically this is simple combination of ignorance, brainwashed mindsets, and fear.\n\nThrough these qualities they foolishly think the bible is the literal word of god, so they just blindly follow that no matter how absurd out-dated their reasoning is.\n\nhere is a great list of absurdities listed in the bible:\nhttp://skepticsannotatedbible.com/abs/long.htm
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Ah ...the soft-shoe routine you can get from people who believe in the "inerrant" Bible - when a text clearly states something so awful that it must be re-re-reinterpreted.\n\nSo .. a word from our sponsor:\nIsiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things."\n\nAnd now let's hear the various (laughable) renditions of what "evil" means "in this context," or "the actual Hebrew means something totally different." - obviously it couldn't just mean "evil," .... could it? \n\nThere is no one answer to your question. Current theology, in a vain attempt at sidestepping the mystical trend that produced the citation above, holds that God did NOT do what He says He did, or that it's a "mystery to be revealed in the end to us all."
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"the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication." (Rev. 17:1-2 KJV)\nSounds like a party to me!
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Because you are painting with an intolerant brush. All the Christians I meet are the opposite. So how do you explain that? \nAnd also, do not take the Bible out of context. The word for "judge" in that scripture is "condemn to hell". \n\nWe, as Christians, are commanded to judge (as fruit inspectors) each other to make sure we do not behave as you describe--we are not to judge the unbeliever. \n\nI suggest you stop doing the same thing here on Yahoo.
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Several Bible verses encourage people to stay away from alcohol. However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Christians are commanded to avoid drunkenness. The Bible condemns drunkenness and its effects. Christians are also commanded to not allow their bodies to be “mastered” by anything.  Scripture also forbids a Christian from doing anything that might offend other Christians or might encourage them to sin against their conscience. In light of these principles, it would be extremely difficult for any Christian to say they are drinking alcohol to the glory of God.\n\nJesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus likely drank wine on occasion. In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation efforts, the water was filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. The same is true in most third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. The Greek word for wine in the Bible is the most basic everyday word for wine. In that day, wine was fermented, but not to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine we use today. Again, Scripture does not necessarily forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is, rather, drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from.  There are principles in the Bible, however, that make it extremely difficult to argue that a Christian drinking alcohol in any quantity is pleasing to God.
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1.  If you use alcohol for health reasons (i.e. one glass of red wine a day is reportedly good for the heart) then i believe that's fine.  But if you let alcohol run away with your senses ....i.e. getting drunk, then i believe its wrong.\n\n2.  Jesus was only doing his mother's bidding, wasn't he?  In that case he didn't do any wrong.