Think about it, if it is a cleanliness issue, why is the removal of a womans labia in some third world countries considered barbaric.\nIs there a rational non-religious argument for circumsision?
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I agree with you, I think it is absurd to cut a guy down there yikes.
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well , i dont know if you are a muslim or not ! but i searched for you about that in my language (arabic) where islamic researches are more and deeper .\n\ni have found that circumcision for men is "sunnah" or "wageb" and sunnah means not only something Muhammad (pbuh) himself did , but also something he asked us to do but not obligatory , and the wageb is the same but closer to be obligatory , almost obligatory ... so , some said it is sunnah and others said it is a wageb , and that is why most or almost all muslim men do it .\n\ncircumcision for women : well , in the modern days , many argues about that issue , but for a conclusion , isalmic old intellectuals also split upon it , some said wageb , others said sunnah , others said even less than a sunnah , but still perferable ... in modern days , some big islamic sheiks "religion priests or intellectuals" like "el qaradawi" say it is not perferable , but the perferable is to leave it as it gives bad results to women , and the rule in islam is that nothing is harmful "la darrar wala derar" so if it is proved it is harmful it is better not to do it .\n\nabout the hadeeth (Muhammad's statment) you mentioned , nothing is for sure , i mean most hadeeth are not proved that he realy did said them , but it is only he propaply said them .. that is first ... another thing , the statment came as an advice not order from him , because in those days woman were riding horses and the friction made them very excited , so cutting a small part from that thing will reduce that , and that is why he said "honorable deed" because that give her the chance to be not that excited among the puplic , it is better for her to do it ... another thing , there men were going to war for monthes , or even travel for trading for monthes , so it is better for her to stay a bit calm when he is away . and again nothing obligatory about this , just an advice !\n\nin islamic world nowadays, most women are NOT circumcisioned , in my country "Egypt" it still work in the rural areas among poor community of peasants , also in the cities in poor areas where uneducated residents are there  , but among the middle , upper middle and high classes in the Egyptian cities that never happened to girls . also i know in the gulf "Saudi Arabia , kuwait , Qatar .. etc" it never happened , other islamic countries , mmost of them are not doing this to women , and all that means it is not an obligatory thing .\n\ni hope that helps
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Penis cutting 1:01 All men should be circumsized because it looks so gross when its not cut. \n\nhehe
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Ok, second one was from Israel\n\nBut  there are more, if you just Google 'botched circumcision' you can find many more. Here are two more:\n\nthttp://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/lawsuits.htmhe \n\nhttp://www.circumstitions.com/Law.html\n\nMany cases are kept private the victims do not want to be in the news, but there are lawyers in this country that actually specialize in botched circumcision litigation. I doubt they would do that if it were a rare occurrence.
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I think its tabboo to speak of.  Keep in mind that only 2 muslim countries condone the mutiliation of female genitals during childhood.
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I think everything is permissible but not necessarily beneficial. We are free beings who can clothe ourselves in what we choose. If we decide to wear a butt-cheek showing mini-skirt, I don't think anyone will kick us out... but it won't do anyone ANY good.
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circumcision should be performed only on a willing adult not a\nhelpless newborn. this practice is barbaric
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Yes, they should be punished. Mutilating the body of a child/woman is a crime. And it is also very dangerous for the circumcised woman's/girl's health.
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I don't think that this should determine or have any effect on the question of morality here.  The fact is that natural childbirth can cause tearing, sometimes very severe tearing.
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99% of males are circumcised without thier permission, too\n\nplease won't somebody think of the penises
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This seems to be very shocking to most posters and if it is true it shows some real determination or real something else....\n \nAnyway, actually your friend got his circumcision done better than most boys around the world. Most are done in dirty-vermin infested locations with rusty filthy implements. Just like the girls are done that every body is getting so upset about, it is no better for the boys! and nobody seems to care...\n\nWhat he got is better than being circumcised as an infant because it is by his choice, nobody forced it on him. Pain wise it is no more pain full for an adult than it is for a infant, the only thing is an adult has words in his vocabulary.Words form the links to the memories, so the adult remembers the pain because he can name it. For the infant it is just an unspecified pain, he has no word for it. The memory just becomes a reason for fear and distrust.\n\nAnd what should he do now that he has done his own circumcision? Do just what parents of newly circumcised boys are told: A light coating of petroleum jelly and loosely wrap with gauze. Don't get the incision wet until healed. Avoid erotic thoughts and stimulus.\n\nNot having it done in a hospital or clinic might actually be safer because of all the "super germs" that are showing up in the medical institutions.\n\nLast but not least, dump out that bottle he was drinking from before he did this. There is something in there...
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Interesting question and link to a good article. After reading the following from my source, it appears that there's a sufficient FREE supply to meet the demand:\n\n'Circumcision is the surgical removal of the foreskin of the penis. It is OFTEN performed in healthy boys for cultural or religious reasons. In the U.S., circumcision of a newborn boy is usually done before he leaves the hospital. Among the Jewish population, circumcision is done on the eighth day.'
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There is NO medical reason for it. There is no evidence that it is more clean. The reason people do it, is simple: it is a puritanical leftover from Victorian times. These days, hospitals charge the parents for this supposed " service ", then take the foreskin and sell it to bioteck companies. It is a billion dollar industry. So - doctors profit twice from this procedure that actually robs men of  up to 70 thousand nerve endings. It is barbaric mutilation. Babies are strapped down to a board, no pain medicine is given, and the wounds are often infected. You'd be surprised to learn how many babies die from this every year.\nThe foreskin serves lot of purposes - that why it is there. It is man's stupidity that makes them think we should all live without it - or that they know better. 85% of the men on this earth are NOT circumcised - it is really only stupid America that routinely does it. The head of the penis is not meant to be exposed to so much air and chaffing. The gland develops proteins that de-sensitizes it - making sexual sensations diminish over time.\nPeople have banned female circumcision - but this is the same thing!\nAny woman who condones this should have themselves circumcised.\nGo to  www.NORM.org to learn what is lost when you circumcise.\nGet educated.\nIf you have been circumcised, you can reverse it - check out  www. NORM. org.
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Good god woman.. get a grip on yourself.\nThere is nothing hideous up our bottoms, unless you have put the things up there in the first place.\nWhy in heavens name you want to be rinsing out your anus is totally beyond me... and here you are looking for brand names!!!!!\nQuite obscene!!! LOL
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not only in egypt\nyes, its a custom in some african countries, its circumstision (sp?) but for women
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FGM comes in many forms.  What type is done depends on the culture.  It was practiced long before Islam, and unfortunately it is something that Islam was not able to eradicate despite its many rules about not permanently damaging the body except in *male* circumcision, to keep the Abrahamic covenant.\n\nMuslims are even forbidden to get tattoos, much less cut off parts of the body necessary for sexual function.\n\nIn Egypt in particular, it is the norm.  Usually it is done by a doctor who only removes the clitoral hood, but for some people this is not enough.  They have their traditional way of doing things, and often they consider it a rite of passage...pain that a woman should go through so that she will be strong, and so that she will not be distracted by normal sexual desire.  It is rumored that even Cleopatra was circumcised.\n\nSome Bedouin tribes still do female circumcision as well.\n\nSo when these women go to the west, some of them may have it done, and some may not.  It depends on how badly they or their family wishes them to conform to the old ways.  I wouldn't say that it was widely practiced by immigrants, but it is sometimes.\n\n...though in my view, even one who has this done without fully informed consent is a tragedy.\n\nIt may interest you to know that many westerners who are not Muslim have plastic surgery to alter their genitals, including piercing, clitorectomies, and labia reductions.  In the past, before much was known about the nerves in the female genital area, things were done somewhat haphazardly, which resulted in many women losing function from surgery for conditions that exercise and good post natal care would have solved.\n\nThere are also many unnecessary hysterectomies, which is much, much more widespread than external FGM.\n\nI'm not trying to minimize FGM, just to keep it in perspective.  It is something to be active against, and to educate people about, but it should not be used as fuel with which to hate on Muslims.
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I'm not a guy, but nobody else seems interested in answering your question, so I will. Circumcision removes the foreskin, the flap of skin that protects the penis when it is not erect. It became popular as an attempt at cutting down on masturbation, which did not work! It is ritually required for Jews and most Muslims.\n\nCircumcision cuts a man's sexual pleasure in two ways. First, the foreskin is very rich in nerve endings, and once it's gone, the sensation from those nerve endings is gone and can never be restored. Second, without the foreskin, the glans (penis head) rubs against the man's clothing and becomes hardened and desensitized. Some circumcised men cannot climax in normal intercourse and must masturbate after intercourse to release semen. Since the head is harder and drier, it feels kind of rough to a woman, and usually lubricant is helpful - not needed by an intact man, as the foreskin is soft and moist.\n\nCircumcision is male genital mutilation! It's barbaric.