I grew up going to Catholic School so I don't know if this is what I learned in school, from someone's religious opinion or if it's really in the Bible. I was taught that the Devil, named Lucifer was like God's righthand man, an angel. He decided that he wanted to be greater than God and therefore God cast him into his own "place" called Hell, etc. Now..where is the name Lucifer used in the Bible to refer to Satan, Devil, etc.? And also, where in the Bible, is this story about the Devil wanting to be more powerful thank God and him being cast into Hell? I've tried searching online Bible sites, such as Bible Gateway but to no avail. Maybe I'm searching wrong or something. Thank you.
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Satan was kicked out of heaven and came down here on earth. \n\n2Cor. 4:3,4 says that he is the god of this system of things\nnotice it has a little g meaning it is not talking about the Almighty God\n\nJohn 12:31 says he is the ruler of the world. \n\nI mean if this world is bad because of satan not God.\n\nIf God were the ruler of this world then it wouldn't be the way it is now.
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You should read Enoch.  Satan/Lucifer was a seraphim angel.  There are many different types of angels, but seraphim were the highest order, cherubim were the next highest.  As you might have guessed, angels do not look at all like the beautiful paintings of cherubs you see.  Read Ezekiel to see what they really looked like, quite odd looking to say the least.  Satan got mad when God told the angels to bow to us humans, which kinda makes sense really, they were created first.  Anyway, that's why Satan and 1/3 of the angels fell, pride.  I'd quote you Enoch and Ezekiel, but am too lazy right now to look Ezekiel up and Enoch is so full of angels I wouldn't know where to start.
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Well Satan is throughout the bible,Devil is throughout the bible. Shining one son of the dawn Isaiah 14:12. "the god of this system of things" is in 2 Corinthians 4:3,4\n"the ruler of the world" is in John 12:31
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You raise several interesting points in your question. I am not entirely sure what specific answer you are looking for, but I will give it a shot.\n\nYou say that satan used Scripture to tempt Jesus. He did, indeed. Jesus also used Scripture to defend himself against these temptations. Ultimately, we see that Jesus overcame all temptation by using the Scripture as his sword. \n\nIt is at this point that I would like to point out that satan, and devil, are not proper names, and could be applied to any number of enemies. These adjectives are used to describe an accuser, adversary, and Jesus also called Peter satan. There are dozens of reference in the Bible, but it seems that translators used these words in place of several persons and personalities. One interesting name replaced by "satan" is Satyr, mentioned in Greek mythology as a creature composed of a man and a goat, supposed to inhabit wild and desolate regions.\n\nBack to your question.\n\nPaul never mentions hell in any of his writings. He does wish condemnation for those who fool Christians into believing lies. This condemnation he wishes for judaisers (those who want Christians to follow Jewish law), false prophets, and lying spirits. Condemnation is judgment, but it is not to be confused with a lake of fire.\n\nThe Church has existed since the time Jesus chose twelve disciples. But, it does not predate the writings of the Jewish Bible, what Christians call the Old Testament. It did, however exist without a printed version of the Christian "Bible" until the 1500's.\n\nSince the the Scriptures were first put onto paper, there have been countless translations. This was necessary to introduce the Bible to people and cultures all over the world. The original writings of the prophets and disciples have been gone for centuries. All we have left of the Scripture are translations. \n\nUnfortunately, Rome held "copyright" on Scripture, and would not allow the sacred writings to be seen by common people. For that reason, we have, as Christians, a Bible made up of books that we believe to be legitimate writings. But, there are dozens of writings that could also be just as legitimate as the ones we allow in our Bible.\n\nThe important thing to remember is that the Scriptures tell a story. This is the story of mankind, his history, his lineage. It is also a story about God, and his dealings with mankind. But, most importantly, it tells us we are loved by our Creator, and it offers us salvation.\n\nYes, many have tried to add books to the Bible. Many have tried to tell a different story. In my opinion, no book written after the apostles died can adequately describe the teachings of Jesus. But, they can all give us a version of the story that they have heard.\n\nWhat we do to become part of the God's eternal, yet evolving, story is more important than fighting over who wrote what.
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Wow, this is a new topic and compared to what I have read so far today...a pleasant change.  Possibly so, since we are to believe we were all 'created' in the image of God.  Angels were first according to history and Satan, Lucifer was his favorite at one time.  I don't know what else to say, but I appreciate the question for the open minded people out in the world today...what if this is true?  Good one.
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Yes, it is. Lucifer is in an active state of hostilities against the entire world. I wouldn't call it a war, simply because God beat the snot out of him when Jesus died on the Cross. Lucifer can never win against God, because God knew before He created the universe that His creation would rebell against Him, so He decided to make Angels and Man much less powerful than He is. The only way Lucifer can win in your life is if you let him. But be wary of the consequences: an eternity in Hell, completely devoid of any and all hope and peace. The only things there are pain, suffering, regrets, and an extremely unquenchable thirst. Choose wisely, for you never know what tomorrow may bring.
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There is no biblical bases for hearing your name and it being an angel.  God does speak to people, he does have messengers as well, but it does not mean that is what it is.  My advice would be to pray and see if God has something he is trying to say to you.  Also, no offense to the person who said it, but just because it scares you when you hear your name does not mean that it is a demon (although that could be the case) but even the shepards were fearful when they saw the angels proclaiming the birth of Christ.  The angels had to tell them not be be afraid.  Just pray!!!!
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I am sure that God created the universe in only 6 "days". The question is, how long were these days? One day at that point in time could actually have spanned millions of our years. This would explain dinosaurs and evolution and a few other questions. I don't think Lucifer was banned to Hell until after Humans were made and I think he was a human who died and went to Heaven and then was bannished to Hell. He could of even walked with some of your ancestors. (Creepy, huh!)
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No "Lucifer" is NOT even a name for Satan!\n\nIn fact, The word "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 presents a minor problem to mainstream Christendom. It becomes a much larger problem to Bible literalists.\n\n"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" \n\nThe first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? Was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell? \n\nConsidering the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early "Christian" (Christendom) scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer." \n\nWhy Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King"). \n\nThe scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness. \n\nSo "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for many in Christendom who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many of Christendom's sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." \n\nHenry Neufeld (a Christian who comments on Biblical sticky issues) went on to say, \n"this passage is often related to Satan, and a similar thought is expressed in Luke 10:18 by Jesus, that was not its first meaning. It's primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon . . ." Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers first to the fall of that earthly king... \n\nHow does the confusion in translating this verse arise? The Hebrew of this passage reads: "heleyl, ben shachar" which can be literally translated "shining one, son of dawn." This phrase means, again literally, the planet Venus when it appears as a morning star. I
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welcome to Judaism my friend. We mearly see the "devil" as the angle of death and a servant of Gd. Personally I do not know where that whole fallen angel garbage came from.
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its evil, maybe? Thats what I think.\n\nWhy else does much of the world call it the "Great Satan"?\n\nI don't quite agree with that, however, because the Devil is the Devil.
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Oh this one is easy haha. It is according to the book of revelation. It is not the devils number or any of that sort, but actually reference to Emperor Nero. Emperor Nero is the beast mentioned in Revelations. Revelation was written by John of Pathmos (there was more than one John) and it pertained to the time that it was written. It is not to be applied to current times. In the Hebrew form of Gematria 666 Spells out NRON KSR (Nero Kaisar or Nero Caesar)\n\nN=50 R=200 O=6 N=50 K=100 S=60 R=200 = 666\n\nBook of Revelation was written before the collapse of the 2nd Temple in 70 A.D. It was a call for a New Jerusalem. Babylon refers to Rome and the Beast refers to the Emperor.\n\nIt was Evil for Christians, why? Who do you think Nero happened to blame after the fire in Rome? Hehehe. And who do you think had to suffer and be persecuted? The Christians! So obviously, Christians would find this number evil, because it hints a very evil figure. Infact Nero used to use Christians as Garden Lamps in his Gardens (Where the Vatican now stands). He literally lit them on fire! Alive! Thousands of them. They could not openly write any of this because of obvious reasons. Christianity wasnt legalized till 313 AD (Edict of Milan) by Constantine. So anything Christian before that was illegal and you were subject to persecution if you were Christian. So whatever was written before this time was written in secret and using secret allergories and language (like the Hebrew Gematria) so that others would not understand. It was tough being a Christian back then :-p. Revelations was probably written around 68-69 A.D., right before the collapse of the Second Temple in 70. \n\n\nNothings Gonna Happen on June 6th. The sun will rise and it will set. And we'll all be happy. Who knows you might even get a raise at work :-D
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Ah ...the soft-shoe routine you can get from people who believe in the "inerrant" Bible - when a text clearly states something so awful that it must be re-re-reinterpreted.\n\nSo .. a word from our sponsor:\nIsiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things."\n\nAnd now let's hear the various (laughable) renditions of what "evil" means "in this context," or "the actual Hebrew means something totally different." - obviously it couldn't just mean "evil," .... could it? \n\nThere is no one answer to your question. Current theology, in a vain attempt at sidestepping the mystical trend that produced the citation above, holds that God did NOT do what He says He did, or that it's a "mystery to be revealed in the end to us all."
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To be precise, the original name was "Ba`al Zebul".  This was an honorific title "the Lord, the Prince", that the Phoenicians used for their god not his name; his "proper name"was Hadad.  ("Zebulon" is, however, a Hebrew word from the same root.)\n\nNow keep in mind that to the people of Israel the worship of this god of the Phoenicians, and the various practices that went with that practice, was undermining the worship of THEIR God (Yhwh, traditionally "the LORD").  So don' be surprised if they didn't want to use this flattering title for him!!\n\nSo what happened at some point is that speakers or perhaps later scribes who did not want to write such a name for this god of the pagans made a slight change, a wordplay, on the name, changing it to "Ba`al Zebub",  or "Lord of the flies".\n\nActually, the original name DID persist, and the NT writers use the old form which comes through Greek as "Beelzeboul"  (though the variant Beelzeboub, our modern "Beelzebub" is also found).\n\nDo note that the use of this name for a DEMON, in fact for THE demon par excellence --"Satan"--  came MUCH later than the OT uses of "Ba`al Zebub", at a time when the worshp of the OT "Baal" storm and fertitiliy gods had died out.  In other words, by the time it became an alternate name for "the Devil" no one was even worshiping the old fertility God.\n\n(On the importance of this god -- we have many examples of this title "the Prince" used for him in ancient tablets from the Phoenician coast [the ancient port city of Ugarit].  These tablets also help to demonstrate that the name of Queen JEZEBEL, daughter of a Phoenician king, actually means "Where is the Prince?"   It is a cry of worship, calling for this god to come and act.   The same sort of expression is used by Elisha in 2 Kings 2, where he calls out "Where is the LORD, the God of Elijah?" when calling on God to part the wates of the Jordan.)
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God can't just interfere like that, humans do this to themselves, understood???\n\nStory of Creation\n"When the earth was shapeless and empty"\n\ntranslated in hebrew more accurately, then english=\n"When the earth BECAME destructive and chaotic"\n\nThis was when Lucifer fell, and he interfered because He was the One who trusted Lucifer to be perfect. \n\nGod recreated the world in 7 days. This means he made the earth twice by flood. \n\nChrist's salvation mission was like the third flood that salvation last forever, the second was the noah's ark story.\nWe kill, its ok. BUt when we die, we get punishment. Hell.\n:)
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The Bible says the devil was cast from heaven.  Apparently his doom is withheld at the moment because he had the power over death and thus everyone who dies.\n\nHebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;\n 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.\n\nNow that his power has been taken however, his doom is rapidly approaching and is ceased only so more people can come to find eternal life through Jesus.\n\nRevelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.\n\nAs for Job, God didn't send Satan after him, but let Satan have his way, perhaps because Satan had not yet fallen from heaven yet.  After all, Job is likely the first book of the Bible to have been written.
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I'm not sure how I'm gonna answer this, but here goes.\nLet's see: God created Lucifer (now known as Satan) as His second in command. Lucifer then saw how much better than all the other angels he was and thought to himself, "If I'm so much better than them, why can't I be better than God himself?" No one knows where this thought came from, seeing how God only makes perfect creations. The only logical place that it could have came from is freedom of choice that God gave them when He created the Angels. This freedom also explains why 1/3 of the Angels chose to follow Lucifer in his rebellion against God. After Lucifer and his demons (fallen angels) were cast out of Heaven, God seperated His angels so far away from Lucifer's that the demons know that they can never get back. Lucifer is free to come and go as he pleases in God's throneroom (as evidenced in the first chapter of Job), but he can never return to what he once was. This fact has angered him so much over the millenia that he's esentially declared war on humanity, God's most prized creation. The first battle in this war was waged on the day of Adam and Eve's temptation and fall away from God when Satan successfully decieved them to eat of the tree that God explicitly said not to eat from. The victory was prophesied not even a day later when the Spirit of the Lord walked through the Garden looking for Adam and Eve to felowship with them as He normally did, only to find them hiding from them, dressed in fig leaves. God asked them why they were ashamed of themselves, and then they went through the whole "it's his/her fault" routine, blaming each other for what one did. When the truth finally did come out (not like God didn't already know), God pronounced consequences on humanity (a series of hardships which can be read in Genesis 3), and cursed the serpent (as this was the creature Satan used to decieve Adam and Eve). The curse on the serpent also held hope for the redemption of Mankind, as it fortold of the defeat of Satan through the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The war was over before it begun! \n\nSo, to answer your question: Yes, Satan invented the concept of sin. He then successfully marketed this concept to himself, his demons, and ultimately to humanity. He even tried to get Jesus to sin, but since Jesus is God in the flesh (and God is perfect), he couldn't do it. Jesus was the only man who ever lived here on earth that lead a perfect life, one completely without sinning.