There are 3 persons in 1 God head--all equal in power and might. This is the essence of the Trinity. There are 2 essential elements that must be proven in this doctrine: (A) There are 3 persons, and (B) they are equal in might and power. The challenge is:\n\n(1) For those who believe the Trinity produce VALID arguments to support your contention,\n(2) To those who don't believe produce VALID arguments. \n\nRemember that a  Valid Argument = 2 or more true premises + a conclusion that flows logically from these premises.\n\nHere is a sample argument AGAINST the Trinity:\n\nPremise (P): (1) A person must have a name, and a face\n    P2: The holy spirit has no name and face.\n    Conclusion (C): Therefore the holy spirit is not a \n           person. ( Thanks, lolo )\n\nEvery premise should have a back-up Bible verse, unless it is too obvious. Note to Trinitarians, please do not start with "The holy spirit is a person". This is not valid--it is a conclusion which needs to be proven.
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The ASKER wants arguments. Yes, this is a good question to really PROVE or DISPROVE a belief. Here is another argument AGAINST:\n\nPrem1: The Bible says that there are many gods, but only one true God the Father. ( 1Corinth 8:5,6; Psl 82:1 )\n\nPrem 2: JEHOVAH is the Almighty God. He is the God of gods. (Ex 6:3; Deut 10:17, King James of 1611 )\n\nPrem 3: Jesus is a god (or God). But he himself admitted that the Father is greater than he; that there are things Jesus can not do. (John 1:1; 5:30; Mat 20:20-23; 24:36,etc )\n \nCONCLUSION: Therefore, although there are many gods as the Bible says, these gods are of lesser power or might compared to Almighty God, JEHOVAH. Further, although Jesus is a god (or God to some) he has Limited powers or authority as he himself admitted.\n\nNote please re. 1John 5:7: "...these three are one" is a GLOSS--or a mischievous insertion--according to some Biblical scholars. That is why in some revised King James Version, these words are omitted. In some translations you won't find these words.\n\nTo the unbiased reader: \nJesus himself said: 'you must love God with all your MINDS...”  Judge for your self whether the Trinity is really a Biblical teaching, or just men's tradition to invalidate God's words.
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What is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?\n\nThe New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.\n\nThe New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.\n\nIn The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.\n\nAccording to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.\n\nJohn L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.\n\nDoes the Bible agree with those who teach that the Father and the Son are not separate and distinct individuals?\n\nMatt. 26:39, RS: “Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.’” (If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.)\n\nJohn 8:17, 18, RS: “[Jesus answered the Jewish Pharisees:] In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me.” (So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father.)\n\nDoes the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty?\n\nMark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)\n\nMatt. 20:20-23, RS: “The mother of the sons of Zebedee . . . said to him [Jesus], ‘Command tha
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congratulations for using your mind\n\n-------\n\nfirst of all, trinity is not understandable. There is only one God. not three in one God. \nIf God is the Father and also the Son, then He would then be the Father of Himself because He is His own Son. This is illogical!\n\n\n-------\nfurthermore, look and this verse of bible. \n\nMark 13:32 \n"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." \n\nIf Jesus and God are equal then they should be equal in knowledge. But as we can see, God is greater in knowledge than Jesus. The fact that one "personality" of God has knowledge not available to the other "two thirds" is a clear indication that they are distinct and separate beings, and not three faces of one being.\nAnd if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?\n\nSome say his human nature prevented him from knowing. Reasonably, though, if, as some believe, he was fully God, nothing could prevent him from knowing. How can human nature prevent God from knowing anything, particularly something of such import?  That further proves that Jesus was not all-powerful, because if he was all-powerful, then he would have power to know the final hour and to give himself this knowledge. \n\nFurthermore, if someone thinks that Jesus the man did not know, then he is missing a point that according to Christians, Jesus was 100% man and 100% God in one body. It means, Jesus possessed the same intellect of God and man.  If he had the same intellect then he should have same knowledge. But when we read the text it says only the father knows. This means that even the "DIVINE JESUS" doesn't know. This means that no one else knows including the divine Jesus. Therefore, Jesus lacks being All-knowing. and we know that God is All-knowing, hence, Jesus cannot be God. \n\n\n\n\n\nQuran (holy book of islam) says in chapter  4 verse 171 \n"Say not ‘Trinity’: desist: \nIt will be better for you for \nAllah is one God."\n[Al-Qur’an 4:171]\n\n \n\nQuran says in Surah Maidah chapter 5 verse 73\n"They do blaspheme who say\nGod is one of three\nIn a Trinity: for there is \nNo god except One God.\nIf they desist not\nFrom their word (of blasphemy),\nVerily a grievous penalty\nWill befall the blasphemers\nAmong them."\n\n=================\n\nHOPE THIS ANSWERS
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I am sorry, but the trinity is a false concept.  God is not the author of confusion, as you said, and therefore such a 'mysterious' God cannot be real.  Don't get me wrong, it is simply three Gods.  Jesus is the Christ, the trinity is a human idea.
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Many Christians begin to learn about the Trinity through knowledge of Baptism. This is also a starting point for others in comprehending why the doctrine matters to so many Christians, even though the doctrine itself teaches that the being of God is beyond complete comprehension. The Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed are structured around profession of the Trinity, and are solemnly professed by converts to Christianity when they receive baptism, and in the Church's liturgy, particularly when celebrating the Eucharist. One or both of these creeds are often used as brief summations of Christian faith by mainstream denominations.\n\nOne God\nGod is one, and the Godhead a single being: The Hebrew Scriptures lift this one article of faith above others, and surround it with stern warnings against departure from this central issue of faith, and of faithfulness to the covenant God had made with them. "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" (Deuteronomy 6:4) (the Shema), "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Deuteronomy 5:7) and, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel and his redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6). Any formulation of an article of faith which does not insist that God is solitary, that divides worship between God and any other, or that imagines God coming into existence rather than being God eternally, is not capable of directing people toward the knowledge of God, according to the trinitarian understanding of the Old Testament. The same insistence is found in the New Testament: "...there is none other God but one" (1 Corinthians 8:4). The "other gods" warned against are therefore not gods at all, but substitutes for God, and so are, according to St. Paul, simply mythological or are demons.\n\nSo, in the trinitarian view, the common conception which thinks of the Father and Christ as two separate beings, is incorrect. The central, and crucial affirmation of Christian faith is that there is one savior, God, and one salvation, manifest in Jesus Christ, to which there is access only because of the Holy Spirit. The God of the Old is still the same as the God of the New. In Christianity, it is understood that statements about a solitary god are intended to distinguish the Hebraic understanding from the polytheistic view, which see divine power as shared by several separate beings, beings which can, and do, disagree and have conflicts with each other. The concept of Many comprising One is quite visible in the Gospel of John, chapter 17, verses 20 through 23.\n\nGod exists in three persons\n\nThe "Shield of the Trinity" or "Scutum Fidei" diagram of traditional Western Christian symbolism.This one God however exists in three persons, or in the Greek hypostases. God has but a single divine nature. Chalcedonians — Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants — hold that, in addition, the Second Person of the Trinity — God the Son, Jesus — assumed human nature, so that he has two natures (and hence two wills), and is really and fully both true God and true human.\n\n\nThe singleness of God's being and the multiplicity of the Divine Persons together account for the nature of Christian salvation, and disclose the gift of eternal life. "Through the Son we have access to the Father in one Spirit" (Ephesians 2:18). Communion with the Father is the goal of the Christian faith and is eternal life. It is given to humans through the Divine union with humanity in Jesus Christ who, although fully God, died for sinners "in the flesh" to accomplish their redemption, and this forgiveness, restoration, and friendship with God is made accessible through the gift to the Church of the Holy Spirit, who, being God, knows the Divine Essence intimately and leads and empowers the Christian to fulfill the will of God. Thus, this doctrine touches on every aspect of the tr
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Have you ever heard of the Holy Trinity?  That is God (the Father), Jesus (the Son), and the Holy Spirit.  They are all the same being.  It is very difficult to comprehend, at least with our human mind.  The Bible talks about the three of them separately so many times it almost seems as they are different, but they are truly one.\n\nThe easiest way it was explained to me for comprehension was this:  Think about who you are...for example, let's say you are a mother, a daughter, and an office manager.  You are all three of those things, but you are one person.  \n\nThere is a lot more to it, but they are all the same with different traits and do different things for us.  If you'd like a more indepth answer let me know.  I just don't want to write an obnoxiously long response here.
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To answer your question, you must first believe in the concept of the Trinity. For example...Water can exist as a gas, a liquid and a solid, but it is still Water, the same concept holds true for the Trinity, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit all exist as God.  Why is it so impossible to believe that one entity could speak to the other, and Jesus was not the Fathers slave, he simply chose to willingly accept the Fathers Will in His life.  I hope this answers your question.
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Trinity is three in one. God the Father, God the son and God the holispirit. Its like all huimans are trinity as well except that their components are cant work without the others. God is father in soul the most important part. Jesus is God in form of Human being and The Holispirit is God in spirit. \nso the three components of trinity is Soul, Body and spirit\n                                                           God,  Jesus, Holispirit
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1.) God is in three persons...not three gods but three persons....God, The Son, and the Holy Spirit.\n\n2.) Jesus is also God; in human form, that is.\n\n3.) No, God did not give birth.  Mary was pregnant by the Holy Spirit and NOT through sexual intercourse.  Remember that she was a virgin when she was pregnant with Jesus.\n\n4.) Yes He is.\n\n5.) The reason for so many Bibles is because it needs to be translated into different languages which started in the 17th century when the Bible was first translated into English and this Bible was known as the King James Version or KJV for short (during the reign of the English King James).  Protestant Reformer Martin Luther translated the Bible from Latin into German so the common German folk could read it, too.\n\nIt spawned editions such as the NIV (New International Version...the easiest to read in my opinion) and the NKJV (the New King James Version, which is what is on my nightstand).\n\n6.) It wasn't edited.  God's Word is the same today.  It's just that Jews do not recognize the New Testament and the Catholic Church decided to add some unrelated stuff called the "Apocrypha" (it is wise to note that it comes from the adjective "apocryphal," meaning "doubtful"...in my opinion, the Apocrypha is NOT the word of God).
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The word "trinity" is a term used to denote the Christian doctrine that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  Each of the persons is distinct from the other, yet identical in essence.  In other words, each is fully divine in nature, but each is not the totality of the Trinity.  Each has a will, loves, and says "I", and "You" when speaking.  The Father is not the same person as the Son who is not the same person as the Holy Spirit who is not the same person as the Father.  Each is divine, yet there are not three gods, but one God.  There are three individual subsistences, or persons.  The word "subsistence" means something that has a real existence. The word "person" denotes individuality and self awareness.  The Trinity is three of these, though the latter term has become the dominant one used to describe the individual aspects of God known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.\n       Included in the doctrine of the Trinity is a strict monotheism which is the teaching that there exists in all the universe a single being known as God who is self-existent and unchangeable (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8).  Therefore, it is important to note that the doctrine of the trinity is not polytheistic as some of its critics proclaim.  Trinitarianism is monotheistic by definition and those who claim it is polytheistic demonstrate a lack of understanding of what it really is.\n\nThe Trinity \nGod is three persons \nEach person is divine \nThere is only one God. \n      Many theologians admit that the term "person" is not a perfect word to describe the three individual aspects/foci found in God.   When we normally use the word person, we understand it to mean physical individuals who exist as separate beings from other individuals.  But in God there are not three entities, nor three beings.  God, is a trinity of persons consisting of one substance and one essence.  God is numerically one. Yet, within the single divine essence are three individual subsistences that we call persons.\n\nEach of the three persons is completely divine in nature though each is not the totality of the Godhead. \nEach of the three persons is not the other two persons. \nEach of the three persons is related to the other two, but are distinct from them. \n     The word "trinity" is not found in the Bible. But this does not mean that the concept is not taught there. The word "bible" is not found in the Bible either, but we use it anyway. Likewise, the words "omniscience," which means "all knowing," "omnipotence," which means "all powerful," and "omnipresence," which means "present everywhere," are not found in the Bible either. But we use these words to describe the attributes of God.  So, to say that the Trinity isn't true because the word isn't in the Bible is an invalid argument.\n\nIs there subordination in the Trinity?\n\n      There is, apparently, a subordination within the Trinity in regard to order but not substance or essence.  We can see that the Father is first, the Son is second, and the Holy Spirit is third. The Father is not begotten, but the Son is (John 3:16). The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (John 5:26).  The Father sent the Son (1 John 4:10).  The Son and the Father send the Holy Spirit (John 14:26; 15:26).  The Father creates (Isaiah 44:24), the Son redeems (Gal. 3:13), and the Holy Spirit sanctifies (Rom. 15:16).\n     This subordination of order does not mean that each of the members of the Godhead are not equal or divine.  For example, we see that the Father sent the Son.  But this does not mean that the Son is not equal to the Father in essence and divine nature.  A wife is to be subject to her husband but this does not negate her humanity, essence, or equality.  By further analogy, a king and his servant both share human nature. Yet, the king sends th
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NT god is actually a trinity, so it would be three on one.  But, I'd still go with OT god.
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How is that blasphemous??\nThe Godhead is 3 in 1..Father, Spirit, and Son...
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Some believe there is a three in one, the trinity, Bible Scholar's cannot explain it, and even "Schnab" cannot explain the trinity, and the reason is because there is no such thing as the trinity.  And Jesus proves it with this Scripture, he says there is only one that is good, GOD.\n\nMark 10:18  And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.  From King James Bible\n\n\nIf Jehovah is “the only true God,” what kind of “God” is Jesus?\n\nJesus himself referred to his Father as “the only true God.” (John 17:3) Jehovah himself said: “Besides me there is no God.” (Isa. 44:6) The apostle Paul wrote that, to true Christians, “there is . . . one God the Father.” (1 Cor. 8:5, 6) So Jehovah is unique; no one else shares his position. Jehovah stands in utter contrast to all such objects of worship as idols, deified humans, and Satan. All these are false gods.\n\nJesus is spoken of in the Scriptures as “a god,” even as “Mighty God.” (John 1:1; Isa. 9:6) But nowhere is he spoken of as being Almighty, as Jehovah is. (Gen. 17:1) Jesus is said to be “the reflection of [God’s] glory,” but the Father is the Source of that glory. (Heb. 1:3) Jesus in no way seeks the position of his Father. He said: “It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.” (Luke 4:8) He exists “in God’s form,” and the Father has commanded that “in the name of Jesus every knee should bend,” but this is all done “to the glory of God the Father.”—Phil. 2:5-11; see also pages 212-216.\n\nDoes John 1:1 prove that Jesus is God?\n\nJohn 1:1, RS: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [also KJ, JB, Dy, Kx, NAB].” NE reads “what God was, the Word was.” Mo says “the Logos was divine.” AT and Sd tell us “the Word was divine.” The interlinear rendering of ED is “a god was the Word.” NW reads “the Word was a god”; NTIV uses the same wording.\n\nNotice, too, how other translations render this part of the verse:\n\n1808: “and the word was a god.” The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text.\n\n1864: “and a god was the word.” The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson.\n\n1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.\n\n1935: “and the Word was divine.” The Bible—An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed.\n\n1946: “and of a divine kind was the Word.” Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme.\n\n1950: “and the Word was a god.” New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures.\n\n1958: “and the Word was a God.” The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek.\n\n1975: “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz.\n\n1978: “and godlike kind was the Logos.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider.\n\nWhat is it that these translators are seeing in the Greek text that moves some of them to refrain from saying “the Word was God”? The definite article (the) appears before the first occurrence of the·os´ (God) but not before the second. The articular (when the article appears) construction of the noun points to an identity, a personality, whereas a singular anarthrous (without the article) predicate noun before the verb (as the sentence is constructed in Greek) points to a quality about someone. So the text is not saying that the Word (Jesus) was the same as the God with whom he was but, rather, that the Word was godlike, divine, a god. (See 1984 Reference edition of NW, p. 1579.)\n\nWhat did the apostle John mean when he wrote John 1:1? Did he mean that Jesus is himself God or perhaps that Jesus is one God with the Father? In the same chapter, verse 18, John wrote: “No one [
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God, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three separate beings with different roles, one in purpose. They make the Godhead or the Trinity. You can read this understand it clearly:\n\n... I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.\n \n2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son—\n\n3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—\n\n4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.\n\n5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, suffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation, but suffereth himself to be mocked, and scourged, and cast out, and disowned by his people.\n\n6 And after all this, after working many mighty miracles among the children of men, he shall be led, yea, even as Isaiah said, as a sheep before the shearer is dumb, so he opened not his mouth.\n\n7 Yea, even so he shall be led, crucified, and slain, the flesh becoming subject even unto death, the will of the Son being swallowed up in the will of the Father.\n\n8 And thus God breaketh the bands of death, having gained the victory over death; giving the Son power to make intercession for the children of men—\n\n9 Having ascended into heaven, having the bowels of mercy; being filled with compassion towards the children of men; standing betwixt them and justice; having broken the bands of death, taken upon himself their iniquity and their transgressions, having redeemed them, and satisfied the demands of justice.\n\nThe Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.\n\n23 A man may receive the Holy Ghost, and it may descend upon him and not tarry with him.
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Wow!! you sound sincere, so I think I am going to answer this, even though I prefer not to go into the religious section. I also studied the bible and continue to do so. The concept of the trinity is not scriptural, and its origin is based in false worship. If you would like further in depth explanations as to it origin, feel free to email me.
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The Holy Spirit has self identity, is aware, and is not merely a force because a force doesn't speak, love, grieve, and have a mind.  But the cults tend to ignore these verses and tell us that the Spirit is nothing more than some presence or power.  Sure, the Spirit is a presence and a power, but that is not all He is.  He is the third person in the Trinity.  He is the one who applies the redemptive work of Christ to the believer.  He is the one who convicts the world of sin (John 16:8), who teaches (John 14:26; 15:26), and who anoints (1 John 2:27).\n     But, the Holy Spirit is also humble because He points to Jesus (John 15:26).  Therefore, anyone who is truly indwelt by the Holy Spirit will likewise bear witness of Jesus.\n     Okay, so what is the devotional aspect here?  Simple, the Holy Spirit indwells you and convictions of righteousness and sin.  The Holy Spirit is very active in working in your lives as Christians to bring you into a closer relationship with Jesus.  We should know more about the One who makes so much possible with our Savior.
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I've had it explained to me before like this:\n\nA man can be a father, a son, and a husband all at the same time. It's just different roles. It's the same way with God, he can play any of three different roles, but he's still only one God.\n\nWhether that's a good explanation or not, I'll leave up to you.