Since it is so easy to find a "back" way into the United States (knowing full well it is against this country's laws) AND pay off anyone in mexico for things such as grades or other necessities needed for american services (NOT making this up...heard it from an illegal immigrant's daughter's mouth)...\n\nWhy stop there!?!\n\nWhy not pay some counterfeiter to provide a fraudulent social security card and a state ID? (this ACTUALLY happens...a houston news station orchestrated a special/crackdown at some local grocery stores and exposed a few counterfeiters)\n\nThen...\n\napply for AND receive welfare benefits and other aid specifically earmarked for AMERICAN CITIZENS... \n\nThen...\n\nReproduce at rapid rates and enroll your now "legal" children in our public school system...\n\nThen...
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Apparently yes. Hey since you got here illegally you already broke the law to begin with so why not continue.
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It started with a bill to make illegal immigration a felony and the hiring of these illegals also a felony. Illegals protested demanding their rights, waving Mexican flags and holding signs declaring that America had stolen this land from Mexico and that it's the Americans who are here illegally. Politicians have since bowed to the wishes of these illegals and big business who want the cheap labor and are now planning to give them amnesty, right down to forgiving them for using stolen social security numbers and other stolen or false identification.\n\nEvery person for illegal immigration needs to compensate these innocent people who have had their social security numbers and identities stolen by these illegals who invade our country with no care who they hurt. They should have to not only compensate the money lost from their social security accounts after they are zeroed out once the fraud is detected, but every last cent the victims had to pay taking time off work, every cent that went into photocopying documentation, every cent that went towards lawyers and gas driving somewhere to get this mess taken care of, and any other financial expenditure the victim had to cough up. They should also be forced to compensate the victims for the emotional hardships endured. They should have to compensate for the money and time spent trying to straighten out their credit ratings after these illegals have ruined them. They should be forced to compensate these victims for every single hardship related to what these illegals have inflicted upon these people. Currently, the system does not provide any compensation at all and a lot of people are never restored to previctimization status. Oh but these pro-illegals claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime that hurts no one and that we are whining when we complain. \n\nYou think these illegals care that they are hurting innocent lives? Their loyalty is to Mexico. They proved that during one of the first rallies when they took down the American flag, hung up the Mexican flag, and then hung the American flag upside down underneath it. THAT is how they feel about America. \n\nhttp://michellemalkin.com/archives/004869.htm\n\n\nThen the people who want to appease them pull out the excuses about how people who are not even alive now, and haven't been for hundreds of years, 'stole' the land from the American Indians. Even American politicians are carrying out this traitorous attack on our sovereignty! If this keeps up, the United States of America will become a 3rd world country, just like Mexico! Mexico's problems are not the fault of Americans, but they are becoming our problems because the Mexicans are invading us and bringing their problems with them.\n\nThe illegals make up about 5 % of the work force. The unemployment rate is about 4.5%. Keep in mind that the unemployment rate does NOT represent everyone who is unemployed. It only counts those who are collecting unemployment. Everyone else's plight is ignored. The unemployment rate if everyone was counted would be tremendous. We do NOT have a shortage of labor, we have a large surplus. The more illegals that come in and take our jobs at minimum wage or less (often less) puts more and more Americans out of a job. Most of these Americans are never counted in the unemployment rate if they do not manage to get unemployment benefits. Unemployment benefits are hard to receive.\n\nIllegals draw welfare by stealing people's social security numbers and identities. That means there are a lot of people being directly hurt by these people as well. Innocent people are having their credit ratings ruined, having IRS problems, and social security problems. If someone who has had their social security number stolen gets married, if either spouse dies or become disabled then they can be denied their benefits. \n\nMy family moved to the US before WWII. Those of my family that didn't make it over got killed by the death ca
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I am amazed by the ignorance in the responses in this thread.\n\nThe only taxes illegals pay is sales tax, assuming they purchase goods here.  Some of them pay an income tax with a fake social security number, but you should research their reasoning behind doing that before giving them a pat on the back.  If it cost them anything by using a fake SSN, they wouldn't do it.  Chew on that. \n\nThe lower price I might pay for strawberries and a trimmed lawn is peanuts compared to the taxes I pay to put illegals' kids through school, provide them meals, pay their hospital bills, and paying to keep a large majority of them in prison.  This is causing my state (California) to go bankrupt.  The burden illegals place on the economy is FAR greater than anything they may provide to aid the economy.\n\nThe government needs to ENFORCE its laws in an effort to alleviate the problem.
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The illegals use false and STOLEN social security numbers to pay into social security which messes up social security for the innocent victims. I'm so tired of it being made out like these illegals are doing something noble by stealing people's social security numbers and identities.
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It SOUNDS like a good idea,  but my concern would be corrupt officials who would cheat the people.  And that's not aimed at only Mexican officials, we certainly have our share of them here in the States. You can't hardly listen to the news without hearing about some corrupt official being busted. If we could work out a way to do it so the help really went to the people who needed it most, I'd say go for it! I would be willing to help, because strong neighbors are much better neighbors than those who are in need. It would, in the long run, benefit the entire American continents and countries.
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The government does to reap benefits from cheap labor in the form of lobbyist (in support of big business) who support their campaigns financially. \n\nWhy is this not a no brainer for most people?\n\nNot only that, Mexican's aren't the only illegals in the country, there are large amounts of Asians (who cross the border illegally) and a growing number of Easter Europeans (who come as guest workers but stay even after their visa's expire) here illegally in this country.  \n\nI had a friend (Eastern European, from Bulgaria) who was brought here by a Bulgarian company that partnered with American companies to set up Bulgarian workers to work for American companies.  She worked pretty much like a slave for Six Flags (from sun up to sun down for $5.75) for months until she just quit.  In order to keep from becoming illegal, she became a student a "school" (I say school because the place was a small office in an office park that looked more like an apartment building) where she paid them $800 every 3 months.  She finally couldn't afford it anymore and stopped paying and is now illegal.  \n\nThere are more where she comes from and the number keeps growing as companies continue to ship people in to exploit them.\n\nThe U.S. Government inacted NAFTA, after which led to a huge jump in the number of illegal immigrants from Mexico.  That would be in my opinion the way in which the government is allowing illegal immigrant labor to keep wages low.  How is that a conspiracy theory?
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I agree, we are already collecting taxes from them, and the problem has been getting worst & worst. We should look for the benefits we would be getting & look at thigs from the positive side, besides we don't want more enemies, if you think about it it would be much easier for terrorists to use Mexico to get to the US.
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I am completely for the new bill.It will benefit America greatly..Even economists,agree.It is time America start enforcing, what it preaches.If you commit a crime, you pay for it!Bottom Line!If you come illegally...you should be treated like any other criminal!Good for the US Govt.Finally cracking down!
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First off let me say that I am a white American. I live in  Southern Oregon and speak both english and spanish. I have many Legal Mexican-American friends. That being said. If you sneak into this country you are breaking the law!!! Deport them. My legal Mexican friends moved here seeking better wages and did it legally. Additionally they are very fine people who I am pleased to have in my community. They follow the letter of the law. They are model citizens. They do not like criminals who sneak into our country.
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How about that we are trying to fix the syptoms and not going to the true source of the problem. WE can spend billions for ever and ever and the problem will still be there. Wouldn`t it be smarter and cheaper to go straight to the FACT of why are these people coming here ?? ANSWER:: they are not happy and able to provide a good living for there families in Mexico (lets tell the truth about 99% of the people we are talking about ) Why don`t we HELP Mexico give their people a better chance to make a good living (and not by moving our jobs there)I`m sure if given a choice their people wouldn`t want to leave their families and come here if they could prosper in their own country... It might cost us some money at first for many years even but it would be better than FOREVER battling this problem that will never truely be fixed othrewise.Then the problems with the other illegals would be(dealing in a much smaller group of people) easier to deal with and could be more of an organized prosses.Instead of having to keep track of 3 million people it might could be 3 thousand.
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Bravo Patriot... I have noticed this (particularly "defender of the hated") here and in almost all forums.\n\nDid you see the CNN town meeting on "Broken Borders"... the woman defending illegals wouldn't answer a question... she merely ran on in her prepared manifesto covering the standard points: the border crossed us, it's our land, your economy can't survive without our work... blah blah blah.\n\nI'm a Californian, and honestly have had no KNOWN contact with ILLEGAL immigrants of OTHER than Hispanic origin.  My Indian, Fijian, and Russian co-workers all have work-visa's (I'm their supervisor and have to know).  My comments are based on first-hand observation.\n\nYet while in the Navy I lived right on the border in San Ysidro... watched lllegal crossings night and day.  I couldn't report them... HONEST !!  My reports were REQUIRED to be ignored by INS /Border Patrol because my reporting would violate the illegals' rights due to "posse comitatus".\n\nI pay my high California taxes, and while in San Ysidro, my daughter had to go to a school 5 miles away because the school NEXT DOOR was reserved for ESL students !!  An investigation in 1992 found that 85% of those students had PO boxes or false addresses... and further investigation found that those students crossed the border back to mexico each day. On falsely obtained student ID !!\n\n230 students... and at the time, the State said it cost $30,000 per student per year... So that's 6.9 MILLION stolen from the tax-payers from ONE school.
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well... they messed themselves up. you cant report someone for feeling that way... lol. isnt this freedom of speech? especially on the internet??\n\nYou can't logically and honestly tell me that flying Mexican flags saying we demand you to make us citizens of your country... for being illegal... is the best way to go about bringing changes. RIIIGHHT. Mexicans are hard workers, yes they are. Grown and raised in California, I've grown up/am friends with a lot of Hispanics, but do it the right way... legal immigration.\n\nAnother thing... they (Hispanics) talk about how great their homeland is and how America sucks... wonder why none of them go back there? Show AMERICAN pride, not [insert country here] pride. That's what we had to do when we came over on ships... it's called assimilation.\n\nAnd do you honestly think they pay taxes? Please. They're undocumented. They do not pay taxes. You are crazy for thinking that. Then they send our money to banks out of country. Think what you want, but I would say they have screwed up by doing this right now. There is no basis. You're ILLEGAL... not LEGAL. NO as opposed to YES.
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someonecanbme is correct, the question is how can we stop it.\n\nEvery person for illegal immigration needs to compensate these innocent people who have had their social security numbers and identities stolen by these illegals who invade our country with no care who they hurt. They should have to not only compensate the money lost from their social security accounts after they are zeroed out once the fraud is detected, but every last cent the victims had to pay taking time off work, every cent that went into photocopying documentation, every cent that went towards lawyers and gas driving somewhere to get this mess taken care of, and any other financial expenditure the victim had to cough up. They should also be forced to compensate the victims for the emotional hardships endured. They should have to compensate for the money and time spent trying to straighten out their credit ratings after these illegals have ruined them. They should be forced to compensate these victims for every single hardship related to what these illegals have inflicted upon these people. Currently, the system does not provide any compensation at all and a lot of people are never restored to previctimization status. Oh but these pro-illegals claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime that hurts no one and that we are whining when we complain. \n\nYou think these illegals care that they are hurting innocent lives? Their loyalty is to Mexico. They proved that during one of the first rallies when they took down the American flag, hung up the Mexican flag, and then hung the American flag upside down underneath it. THAT is how they feel about America. \n\nhttp://michellemalkin.com/archives/004869.htm\n\n\nThen the people who want to appease them pull out the excuses about how people who are not even alive now, and haven't been for hundreds of years, 'stole' the land from the American Indians. Even American politicians are carrying out this traitorous attack on our sovereignty! If this keeps up, the United States of America will become a 3rd world country, just like Mexico! Mexico's problems are not the fault of Americans, but they are becoming our problems because the Mexicans are invading us and bringing their problems with them.\n\nThe illegals make up about 5 % of the work force. The unemployment rate is about 4.5%. Keep in mind that the unemployment rate does NOT represent everyone who is unemployed. It only counts those who are collecting unemployment. Everyone else's plight is ignored. The unemployment rate if everyone was counted would be tremendous. We do NOT have a shortage of labor, we have a large surplus. The more illegals that come in and take our jobs at minimum wage or less (often less) puts more and more Americans out of a job. Most of these Americans are never counted in the unemployment rate if they do not manage to get unemployment benefits. Unemployment benefits are hard to receive.\n\nIllegals draw welfare by stealing people's social security numbers and identities. That means there are a lot of people being directly hurt by these people as well. Innocent people are having their credit ratings ruined, having IRS problems, and social security problems. If someone who has had their social security number stolen gets married, if either spouse dies or become disabled then they can be denied their benefits. \n\nMy family moved to the US before WWII. Those of my family that didn't make it over got killed by the death camps. Our family assimilated to the American culture. We didn't expect the Americans to change to suit us. The illegal immigrants from Mexico are not civilized like that.\n\nThey not only changed the National Anthem to Spanish, they changed the words. They already burn our flag and hang our flag upside down. They waved the Mexican flag during a lot of their protests. Some schools have stopped hanging the American flag and forbidden students from wearing clothes with any part of the American
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pretty sure that pull my tongue at you doesn't make any sense but whatever floats ur boat\ni totally agree\nit's so not fair that they are using our schools for their kids and our hospitals and not paying taxes.  they also get food stamps and such\nnot that i think we should just let them become us citizens that's also unfair because therre are a lot more people around the world who have a lot better reasons to come to the us  and have a really hard time getting a visa\nHowever it's really hard to get rid of the illegal immigrants especially the mexicans seeing as they are right next the us. but them not working...is fine with me...why don't they leave our country while their at it.\nthey are trying to prove a point saying that we really need them...but if they have such an issue with our country why don't they just go back to theirs?\nthey need to realize that them working here for a lower wage actaully can hurt some people who are looking for those jobs.  So good for them...plus them doing this where they just don't go to worok isn't going to make the us want to help them more...its just going to opiss them off\njeez
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Too sad.... and the National Immigration Law Center (NILC) is quite proud of the fact that they have netted both legal and illegal aliens more than $800 million in food stamps, plus 12 billion in Supplemental Security Income.  How about stopping all this nonsense....what the heck is a wall going to do if it's clearly so rewarding to be here?\n\nFurther to whom it may concern- I realize some of you pro-illegals are quite unfamiliar with actual research and watching the news, but Americans for Legal Immigration is a PAC-or Political Action Committee. Meaning they are heavily involved in politics and quite well-known. Perhaps if you'd picked up a government textbook once in awhile, you'd know that.
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I think they should be tried, sentanced and put in jail. You people don't seem to see the big picture here. You think they're helping mexican immigrants. But as we increase the amount of people in this country who A.) don't vote, B.) Don't register C.) Don't pay taxes because they don't want to register for a social security number D.) Don't want to learn english because the bleeding hearts of this country want to help them.....this country will have to lean more and more on those of us who ARE legal. ARE paying taxes ARE keeping the money we earn at our jobs INSIDE this country. Taxes will have to go up to compensate. And who do you think are taxing our medical systems for care because they don't pay medical insurance? And good luck paying for your bleeding heart through your pocket.
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if  they  would  check  out  the  social   security  numbers   these   illegals   are  stealing,  that  would   stop  a  lot  of  it.  you  can   bet   your   white   ass,  if  you  went   in   with  a   fake   number   they  would   check  you  out  and   have   you   arrested.and   if  your  white  and   american  you   cant   get   any  thing   any  way.all  you  can  do   is   pay   for   it.