If God is omniscient he knew that Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of knowledge before he created them, so that would mean that Adam and Eve were cursed before they were created, which means "original sin" is not Adam and Eve’s fault, it’s obviously a faulty design. \n\nA good "parent" (allot of Christians always say God is a good parent) will remove any danger from their kids lives if they were able to (omnipotent). So why not move that tree if you know that it will mean the end of a great relationship with your kids...huh?  \n\nThis Adam and Eve story can be viewed in so many ways, tell me the way you see it.
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I want to add to your details:\n\nIf they ate an apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, it was impossible for them to know that it was wrong to eat the apple anyway, since they acquired the knowledge of good and evil only AFTER eating the apple?\n\nGod told them not to eat the apple. Well, perhaps they wouldn't if they knew that it would be -wrong- to eat the apple.\n\n"God tells Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  If this was the only way they could understand the difference between good and evil, how could they have known that it was wrong to disobey God and eat the fruit?"  ~Laurie Lynn\n\nGod isn't very omniscient or omnipotent if he cannot predict Adam and Eve's behavior in advance.
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as a ransom sacrifice for our sins. adam lost perfection when he ate of the tree with eve, so God, being as loving as he is, sent his son, another perfecet creation, down to earth to die for our sins.
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These verses aren't saying the same things at all, and you aren't understanding them because you are looking at them out of context.  These are all from the NRS.\n\nGen 3:  14 The Lord God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed are you among all animals and among all wild creatures; upon your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. 15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel."\n\n16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pangs in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."\nhttp://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=Genesis+2&section=0&version=nrs&new=1&oq=&NavBook=ge&NavGo=2&NavNextChapter=%3E%3E&NavCurrentChapter=2\n\nHere in Genesis 3:16, YHVH is telling Eve that her punishment for eating of the Tree of Knowledge is to have pain during childbirth, and yet to still desire sexual relations with her husband in spite of it; that her husband will rule over her on account of her desire for sexual relations with him.\n\nGen 4: 3 In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, 4 and Abel for his part brought of the firstlings of his flock, their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, 5 but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.\n\n6 The Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is lurking at the door; its desire is for you, but you must master it." \nhttp://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=ge+4&version=nrs&language=en&showtools=0\n\nHere, in Gen 4:7, YHVH is telling Cain that if he does good things he will be happy; that Cain should desire to do good things because good things desire Cain to make good things manifest.  But evil things also desire Cain to make evil things manifest, and so Cain must learn to control himself - to gain mastery over himself - in order to differentiate between good and evil, and then presumably choose good over evil because man's natural state is godlike and therefore good.
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In the beggining after God created Man to be in his own image. After he saw that this was good he thought it was not right for man to be alone so he caused a great sleep to fall on Adam and created Eve from one of Adams ribs. God told Adam and Eve that they were to live in the Garden of Eden and they could eat anything they wished in that garden except from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Then the devil came in form of a serpent to tempt Eve so that she would disobey God; the serpent provoked Eve saying that nothing bad could come from the eating the fruit.Sho she ate it and thought it was good and offered some to Adam who in turn ate of the fruit too.\n\nAfter eating the forbidden fruit soon both Adam and Eve realized that they were naked, so they ran to the bushes and covered themselves. It was at this time that God called  to Adam (for God walked with man in those days) that Adam did not respond thinking he could hide foolishly from the Almighty God. God of course knew where they were hiding and asked the both of them what was wrong; when Eve told God that the serpent tempted her and that she had eaten from the fruit and gave it to Adam, God cursed the serpent to walk on his belly. God then clothed Adam and Eve and set them outside the garden of Eden never to be allowed back in with a guard of angels at the garden's gates at all times. God watched over Adam and Eve but he told both of them that their lives would be harder; Adam would have to work hard at the fields to grow food for his family, and Eve would experience child birth pains, so is the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. =)
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Let me give you something to think about. \n\nAccording to the Bible, God is all knowing, right? \n\nWhen he told Adam & Eve, "Do whatever you want, but don't eat fruit from that tree," he knew that Adam & Eve would be snacking on that fruit in due time. How do I know this? God is all knowing. \n\nSo, if God is all knowing, and he knew they'd eat from the tree, why was he so ticked off? HE KNEW THEY'D EAT FROM THE TREE.\n\nEither God is one angry, irrational, and illogical being, or he's not all knowing. If he's not all knowing, what other flaws does he have? \n\nConsider the Garden of Eden as allegory, and that changes the dynamic of the question. Given a choice between a blissful but ignorant life, or a difficult but knowledgeable life, I'd choose knowledge. However, I would really kick myself for not staying dumb and happy. Human nature, what can you do? \n\n(The Matrix movies are a great example of choosing Eden or choosing reality. Overall, I think humans want to know the truth of things.)
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Yeah, it's like putting a 4 year old in a room and specifically telling him, "You can look in every box in this room.  But DON'T look in this one particular box."\n\nHe's going to head straight for it.\n\nAnd you have to figure, Adam and Eve would've been supremely naive.  It would be a bit harsh to deal out all the punishment that billions of human's have endured because of one damn apple.\n\nHowever, the tree was not really real.  It just shows that we are evil because we can know the difference between good and evil.  This knowlege makes us responsible for that evil we do.  This is re-affirmed when Jesus said, "Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do."  You're not guilty if you don't know.\n\nBut WE KNOW the evil we perpetrate, for the most part.  We KNOW when we are assuming things without verifying the fact, and we KNOW when we are talking trash about someone.  We're all pretty base.  Hopefully we all continually try to better ourselves.
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A good question indeed. Why do children die? While asking, why are people born with major disabilities? Why do people constantly suffer in this planet? Why do bad things continue to happen, even though there is suppose to be a loving God? \nThis all depends on your faith. Biblically, God created Adam and Eve in perfection. No diseases, no suffering, etc. They lived in a paradise, with no worries about food and drink. They were told to multiply. So all the newborns afterwards should have enjoyed this fantastic way of life. Unfortunately, because of Satans lies, they disobeyed God, got kicked out of paradaise, would have to toil hard for their fruits, Eve's childbearing pains would increase a hundred fold, and they would "die."  This all came to be true for them. Sure they lived to about 900 years, but they did eventually die. From that point, all their offspring would be imperfect, and be subjected to all forms of misery. \nHere we are today, far from perfect. Our world system is flawed causing great hunger and suffering. Most accidents can be avoided with proper education and direction, but since this is sometimes not practiced, accidents do happen. We still die. \nThe Bible though shows that death is the price we pay for our great sin. Death is also a deep sleep with no memories, no feelings, no concept of time. It's not some netherworld of suffering or delight. In Revelations, God promises a great resurrection of pretty much all those who have died. This resurrection will be in much better conditions, and with new healthy bodies. We will then have 1000 years to reach that state of perfection that God wants. Then we will be tempted by Satan again. Some will follow Satan, even in the best of conditions, and will have to be destroyed for good. The rest will then live in eternity as God had wanted it to begin with. \nSo why go through all this trouble. Supposedly it's to prove to all the angels and people that God's way is the only way. Are we at the last days, I can't really say. Time will tell.\nAnother theory is reincarnation. We came to these bodies to experience life in different ways. We die, then come back later, born again in a new life. Over and over again. Kind of like the movie "the Matrix," were life is like a dream. If you have an accident, get a disease, or are killed, you die and go back to home base, take a break, then come back again when you're ready. Who's to say what's right.
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I think you raise a good question.  I don't think parents would have a child if they thought the child would end up being tortured FOREVER!  I also don't think that God would create children if they risked that!  That is one reason I think the theory of hell is very off-base.
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No, Eve was not created with Adam.  There is the legend of Lilith, the first woman, she refused to do what Adam told her and she flew off to eventually marry Salathiel (an Angel gone bad) and they had some hellashish creature babies.  OOOOOO now the Christians are gonna jump me, they ought to check out how many of each kind of animal was on the ark, and who really killed Goliath, and were did the Sons of Anak come from if all the giants died in the flood.  Just a few inconsistencies in that great book.  But I believe in what is right, my own version, and if their versions every denomination can be "the way," then so can mine, but only for me!  Thanks man, this was fun.
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Adam and Eve were supposed to be perfect humans. They sinned blah blah. There is a scripture that says that God made the earth to time indefenit. So it all depends what your beliefs are. I believe God's purpose is to rid the world of evil and let humans reach that perfect state with out the evil influence. Then and there can we be tested as perfect humans and prove our loyalty to God in this world as Adam and Eve were tested. Good times!~
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The tree did not give us free will, we already had it, otherwise Eve would not have been able to make the choice of disobeying and eating from it in the first place. We were given free will so that we could love God by choice. Love by force would not really be love. Every time I see this question, though, the tree is almost always called "The Tree of Knowledge" rather than by its actual name. This is an important oversight if you are to understand.\n\nIt's the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil - a specific kind of knowledge, not ALL knowledge (something I think we can agree we do not have). Before Adam and Eve ate the fruit, they knew nothing but good because that is how they were originally created. When Eve ate of the tree, she had already sinned by disobeying God. Then, on top of that she introduced a knowledge of evil into her mind (as did Adam). As humans we are not able to resist evil completely. This is why God told them not to eat of the tree, because He knew that if they did, they would be tempted for the rest of their lives by the evil thoughts, ideas, and so forth that would be introduced by eating the fruit. He knew that we would not be able to resist evil all the time. So, He told them not to eat, but created them with the ability to make the choice themselves.\n\nWhen Adam and Eve ate of the tree, their minds were corrupted. This was passed on to their children and all other descendents in their blood and by their influence. \n\nHad they chose not to eat, they would still have had the knowledge of all that was good. God talked and walked in the garden with them, wanting to be close to them. They chose to try to "know as much as God", which was nothing more than the deception of the devil.
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PLEASE READ GENESIS CHAPTERS 1 -10. In the garden, There was the Tree of Life and the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. and all the other trees of which Adam and Eve were allowed to eat from. The tree of knowledge of good and evil was the ONLY tree they were told not to eat from or they would die. The Bible does not specify what FRUIT was on that tree. When they disobeyed God and listened to the snake (SATAN) they sinned and thus the perfect world no longer existed. NO, there were no reproductive trees, someone is pulling your leg. ON dinosaurs, God created animals And man on the 6th day of creation. If God made dinosaurs, they are not prehistoric as some say since they were created at the same time as man. P.S.  God did not stop loving Adam and Eve, but He did punish them for their sin.  P.S.S. The Tree of Life is in Heaven, Read Revelation 22:14
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Seven Lights.  GREAT POST!!  I agree!!!\n\nMainwooly.  I agree even more, with you.  The Adam and Eve story main that we all come from generations of incest and inbreeding.  Adam & Eve have kids...then what?  The ONLY ANSWER is that they had incest and inbred to prepetuate mankind.  And what is REALLY hilarious is that IT HAPPENS AGAIN!!!\n\nRight after the silly story about The Flood!  Noah's Family walks off and WHAM!!  Incest and inbreeding in that Family for generations and generations ONCE AGAIN to perpetuate the species.  AND THIS TIME, not just humans, but every species on the planet!!!  All from incest and inbreeding!!  \n\nWhat utter nonsense!!!
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I think that Adam and Eve represent a new beginning in Human-kind.  This next part is kinda nuts but i think it happened.  I think that Aliens landed around or in the city of Babylon, which is the place thought to be where the garden of Eden was located.  Anyways the aliens mated with the more ape like homo-sapiens of that time.  Adam and Eve where the children of this relationship.  Maybe this is the reason for the "Missing Link" in the evolution of man. Just a theory, i usually don't bring up because Christians get really upset about that idea.
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A lot of Christians talk about Christ's death fulfilling some sort of prophecy. Apparently Christians are unaware of the concept of omnipotence, which would allow "God" to do anything he wanted to do, including solve whatever the problem was without sacrificing his son, but I digress...
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Hahahahahaha, that's funny!!!! \nLOOK in Genesis chapter 3 verse 20----Eve was the Mother of ALL LIVING!!!!! Now what does that tell you.  (not the Mother of all living people to come later!!!!)\nRemember, verse 20 happened AFTER Adam and Eve ate from the Tree, and fell..  Later, chapter 4, Cain and Able was born.  When Cain did the Murder of his Brother, Cain went into the land of NOD and had a kid with his wife.\nWhere did the Land of NOD come from????\np.s. The BIBLE dosen't say Adam and Eve were the First People  on EARTH.\np.s.s.  It's NICER to say "Marry so they could have Intercourse to produce children"----but it's up to you how you say thing's---Have a GOOD day!!!!!!     Ditto!!!!!!
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Omniscience doesn't include knowing the result of a random outcome.  If you think that 'omniscience' means knowing the future, then you have misunderstood the concept.\n\nIt was shown (in the story of Adam and Eve ... please, it's an allegory, not literal fact!) that the human race was given 'free will' - in other words, a knowledge of God and therefore the ability to choose whether to adhere to His will or to go against it.\n\nIt therefore follows that if you become a murderer (mass or otherwise), commit rape, deal with children in a disrespectful or inappropriate manner or, indeed, do anything else which is not the way that Jesus - who was God amongst Men - would have behaved, it is down to your choice, not to what was ordained or shown in the stars or anything like that.\n\nWe are who we are, before God.  There are some things He has given us a propensity for ... we must ask Him what He means us to do with these 'tendencies towards Sin'.  Personally, I believe that He made us who we are, so that we should find out new knowledge through our 'tendencies to sin' which will add to and enhance his Kingdom within us.