These are only studies so I know most are not true to the full facts it can be less or greater. But read before you voice an opinion. JUST SO WE CAN STATE FACTS. An to let some people know most of our History, medical treatments, crime investgates, and wars are on studies because people today were not there, you have to study thing to get reserah, and you have to estamate how this fits with the information you have.It was hard to find studies.\n\nhttp://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalrelease.html\nhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1612966/posts\nhttp://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalfindings.html\n\nAn Arizona news report on illegal immigrant medical costs probably underestimates the real medical costs from illegals.\nhttp://www.parapundit.com/archives/002935.html\n\nundercover agent to see how easy it was to get ID, SSN, and birth cert.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/649443/posts\ninformation on cost of med care.http://sun.yumasun.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/11/18
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Here's the BEEF:\nIllegal immigration is against the LAW. Legal immigration is OKAY. We would be SAVING tax dollars by sending them back. Here's what they cost us (the USA) ANNUALLY:\n\nEducation: $22.5 billion \nBi-lingual Education: $3.3 billion \nAFDC: $2.4 billion \nSSI: $2.9 billion \nSocial Security: $24.8 billion \nHousing Assistance: $2.6 billion \nCriminal Justice: $2.6 billion \nJobs Lost by Americans: $10.8 billion \nOther Programs: $51.4 billion \nFood Stamps: $7 billion \nHealth Care: $1.4 billion \nNow if you actually read all those links you posted you would have that answer. But, since you seemed to miss it...\n\n(That Totals $131.7 BILLION Annually) $131.7 BILLION!!ANNUALLY!! \n\nThis is a LEGAL VS ILLEGAL issue.\n\nIf we have the money to mint stupid specialty coins for each state, then we have the money for secured boarders, enforcement of immigration laws and deportation.\n\nhttp://www.humaneventsonline.com/contact.php\nhttp://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back704.html\nhttp://alipac.us/forum-19.html\nhttp://capwiz.com/jbs/home/\nhttp://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=truereform
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WAY TOO DAMN MANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I KNOW that it costs the TAXPAYERS,i believe it was $55,000 a year for EACH prisoner!!!!\n\n And,for those of you who keep BITCHING, about the fact that,"we have a lot of people in prison who are NOT illegals". Why don't you try EXPLAINING this, to the little girl that was MOLESTED by an illegal,last week in Florida!!! Or the eight month pregnant woman that got beaten by three illegals,or the old couple that took in some illegals,fed them,gave them water,then the illegals beat the CRAP out of the old man and ROBBED them!!\n\n Although this is TRUE, that there are a lot of crimes  committed by citizens, unfortunately,we can NOT deport our OWN citizens!!  But,what you FAIL to realize,EVIDENTLY, is that the CRIMES committed by ILLEGALS, should NEVER have happened!!! And WOULDN'T have happened,had they not SNEAKED into our country!!!
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The government says that millions are lost each year  because of illegal immigrants but what they avoid mentioning is the fact that those same illegal immigrants that are costing the government money are in reality doubling that money back for the government. Illegals do not file income tax returns so all the money that they have paid in taxes stays with the government. Put it this way our government keeps a half open door at the border to allow the strongest to cross so they can work but tell the people that they are doing everything they can to seal up the border. I live not even 3 minutes from the border and have many friends who are immigration officers. Everything is a business including drug smugglers, as long as the big guys in office see a profit anything goes. They just don't tell anyone about it ..
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Historic immigration is irrelevant because there was no welfare state and subsidized services.  The Native American bit was conquest as they got the territories from each other, to begin with.\n\nWe can't pay to educate the world's poor and still take care of our own.  Schools are failing and hospitals are closing.  We ignored a few hundred thousand, and gave amnesty to a few million, only to find many of them became 'bases' to bring in more illegal friends and relatives.  Now there are 11 to 20 million and it is a major crises in areas where they concentrate.\n\nIt isn't just 'entry' although I think we have every right to say that we want to maintain our own culture, as well, because we like it that way.  It is SUBSIDY of education at the expense of our children and health care at the expense of our sick.\n\nTheir better life is at our expense.
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I think "writer" was on the right track...\n\nToo many people drawing social security, too few paying in.\n\nToo many people with a lower tax base, therefore, less income tax being paid into our system.\n\nToo many people using community "help" centers, ie, food banks, energy assistance, etc, with again, too few people donating to these centers.\n\nShortages in immunizations, like the flu shot shortage we just went through...(usually recommended for the very young & the elderly)\n\n(Yeah, most of these I think are financial burdens, it does seem that most of these could have been planned ahead for if we had only done it...)
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the money we spend on "illegal immigrants" healthcare education etc. is a sliver of a fraction compared to what we spend in Iraq... acheiving nothing.... \n\nIf it's jobs everybody is worried about, perhaps they should focus on the real problem... which is proper enforcement of labor laws... and ending loopholes for the megacorps. profitting (and donating to  politicians) from using (exploiting) a cheap labor force.\n\nI read somewhere that every new imigrant population tries to rewrite what an immigrant is... to look down on the next person coming in... well if this is thee land of opportunity built on the wealth of ideas and richness of culture that a true melting pot would thrive on, move on, move up... \n\nbefore "we" blamed Mexicans, "we" blamed outsourcing to asia and india, "we've" blamed African Americans for hundreds of years, and before that "we" blamed eastern europeans, before that "we" blamed the jews, before that "we" blamed the Irish, before that "we" blamed the Germans, Before that "we" blamed the catholics, before that "we" blamed colonialist England, before that "we" didn't exist. \n\n"we" as in the collective group of illegal immigrants that have come to this continent in the last 350 some years.. The only people who ever got really screwed by Illegal imigrants were/ are the native americans.\n\nSo next, we'll probably b***** about all the middle-eastern refugees who are going to be fleeing that mess when it's all over, or whoever else comes to the land of opportunity to try to improve their lives.... or rather, whoever just makes a good scapegoat....
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The half of this "can of worms" has not been revealed.  Not only do illegals grab many benefits but they also apply for Medicaid and Medicare!  Many work under false names/social security numbers and the REAL citizens get income tax notices for back taxes! One lady had taken care of her children since 2000 and IRS wanted over $15,000 for back taxes on money she had not seen nor earned in three states! Recently 20 illegals were captured and some nitwit at Immigration told police to "Release them!"  Police should have ignored such a STUPID reply as a garbled transmission...faulty fax...faulty brain in faxer,etc. Immigration Service is a haven for nitwits, loafers, and incompetents seeking an easy paycheck for sloth.  Thousands of businesses could be fined for knowingly hiring illegals and fine money could be applied to "Dropping them off in Chiapas".  Instead 3 or 4 got fines, the apprehanders need to be the survivors of a "mass firing".  Whoever is supposed to be watching INS goof off should likewise be tossed into a van without seats a-la Billy Dale Travel Office style...and taken to the gate, told to "So Sue us!"  Hillary Clinton style!
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You have two different sides, touting two very biased sources... the facts are that some do pay taxes... some do not... it's silly to compare it to the European immigration because America was accepting so many immigrants then, compared to the small number now... \nAnd just because something is a law, doesn't nescisarily make it a good law... that the law in that one city that ducks have to wear pants...\nWho is benifiting most, American employers who abuse the labor from immigrants... \nwho is being hurt, probably the taxpayers to some degree... but it's probably the least of America's problems when it comes to overspending... \nI would rather give it to the illegal immigrants than in tax cuts and grants to the oil companies... those guys are much bigger crooks than any immigrants, and they are doing it "legally"... hahaha
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Yes.  And there are too many reasons to list.  But a few of them are.....free medical care, free education, and no taxes for illegal aliens; welfare for deadbeats; and years and years of handouts to other countries who never paid us back.  Too many people use the war in Iraq as a reason, but that comes out of the defense funds which were already there.
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yes, i know that. i wish the government would do something about it already.\n\ni know an illegal family from mexico. him and his sister collect ssi and medicaid. they are under fake names but i do not know how they are getting all of this.
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Bravo Patriot... I have noticed this (particularly "defender of the hated") here and in almost all forums.\n\nDid you see the CNN town meeting on "Broken Borders"... the woman defending illegals wouldn't answer a question... she merely ran on in her prepared manifesto covering the standard points: the border crossed us, it's our land, your economy can't survive without our work... blah blah blah.\n\nI'm a Californian, and honestly have had no KNOWN contact with ILLEGAL immigrants of OTHER than Hispanic origin.  My Indian, Fijian, and Russian co-workers all have work-visa's (I'm their supervisor and have to know).  My comments are based on first-hand observation.\n\nYet while in the Navy I lived right on the border in San Ysidro... watched lllegal crossings night and day.  I couldn't report them... HONEST !!  My reports were REQUIRED to be ignored by INS /Border Patrol because my reporting would violate the illegals' rights due to "posse comitatus".\n\nI pay my high California taxes, and while in San Ysidro, my daughter had to go to a school 5 miles away because the school NEXT DOOR was reserved for ESL students !!  An investigation in 1992 found that 85% of those students had PO boxes or false addresses... and further investigation found that those students crossed the border back to mexico each day. On falsely obtained student ID !!\n\n230 students... and at the time, the State said it cost $30,000 per student per year... So that's 6.9 MILLION stolen from the tax-payers from ONE school.
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http://judiciary.senate.gov/press.cfm\n\nEveryone needs to burn up the phone lines, mail and internet inboxes with this issue. There is alot of propaganda be spread around about what we spend each year to allow ILLEGALS to stay here, jobs that they are taking from Americans, taxes they do not pay into, their intentions etc.\n\nRead on\nhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/stoptheinvasion/\nhttp://www.humaneventsonline.com/index.php\nhttp://360.yahoo.com/lists-PMRb1p42aacMueZmc_FaRn89U4XQsyz9cyAO?n=25480\nhttp://www.numbersusa.com/interests/amnesty.html\nhttp://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back704.html\nhttp://www.theamericanresistance.com/issues/amnesty.html\n\nIF YOU KNOW OF ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS HERE IS THE WEBSITE TO REPORT THEM ALL.\nhttp://www.wehirealiens.com/
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OK! I have just about had it with this immigration Bulls**t!!\nLet's get one thing straight here and now.  The US was founded on LEGAL IMMIGRATION, get it?!!  That means people who went through the proper channels (like myself) who lined up and waited to be seen, who had every facet of their private lives invaded during interviews, who waited patiently for their Visas and other documents, who paid the price and who are now helping the economy by paying TAXES as all other legal Americans do.\n\nFallacy number 1: The US needs illegal immigrants: yeah just like the average human being needs a new @sshole where their forehead used to be!!!  The US does NOT need illegal immigrants, in fact the opposite is true... all of you who feel that illegal immigrants are more worthy of government benefits and taxpayer subsidized lifestyles raise your hands... if your hands are currently in the air - your boat leaves the NY harbor this evening - don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out - perhaps Mexico will support you in return for all of the illegals that we have taken in.\n\nFallacy number 2:  Illegals do the work that lazy Americans won't do...truth: the "lazy Americans" will do any job that the GREEDY @ssed fruit farmers will pay a decent wage for!!! the difference between an American working for $5.00 an hour and an illegal Mexican working for $5.00 an hour is about $1.75 an hour TAX which the American can go to jail for not paying whilst the ILLEGAL Mexican wants everyone to hold hands and sing about how he is having a hard time getting the "lazy American" to pay his 5 kids healthcare and college funds.\n\nLet's all get a grip on reality... Americans have NOTHING against immigrants no matter where they come from - what we have a problem with is a bunch of whiny @ssed illegals circumventing the system and slapping every LAW ABIDING LEGAL immigrant in the face along the way.\n\nNow I have a question:  There were a reported 20,000 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS (aka fugitive felons) openly walking around as a crowd in California on Monday...where the hell were the border patrol and INS??? what exactly do we pay taxes for if they can scoop them up by the bucket load and there is not one damned immigration enforcement agent in sight???\n\nAnd yet again... with regards to the answer below:  The US railroad was not built by the US Government but by greedy @ssed private companies that used slave labor - not immigrant labor - true, not every facet of American history is a rosy picture, but then neither is the history of ANY country.  Mexico sent 5,000 troops against a pitiful handful of men led by a terminally ill officer, that were holed up in a CHURCH (hmmm... attacking a holy place with enough men to outnumber it's defenders 50-1, now that's what I call courage!!!), the fact of the matter is that there is not enough government money to go around amongst those who are here legally so why should we stretch the pot further to cover those who have no legal right to be here?\nIf you feel that these poor fugitive felons deserve your love and attention then you put them up - on your dime without any help from the government... a small point of note for you, as a LEGAL immigrant, my wife had to sign a document called an affidavit of support - this document DENIES me the right to receive ANY government benefit... PERIOD, and I entered the country LEGALLY... so you tell me why it is fair to pay healthcare and education, and to subsidize the lifestyles of those who would choose to break our laws whereas those who wish to abide by them get screwed by you the people..... if you want to reform immigration laws then go ahead, you have my unwavering support, provided that is, that you are changing the laws for LEGAL immigrants not illegal aliens.\n\nOh! and when we become full to capacity in this country to the point that laws are passed governing whether or not you may legally procreate (big grown-up word for have
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According to TNRIP, the financial cost of this foreign invasion to U.S. taxpayers is staggering! Here is a break down of the annual costs: \n\nEducation: $22.5 billion \nBi-lingual Education: $3.3 billion \nAFDC: $2.4 billion \nSSI: $2.9 billion \nSocial Security: $24.8 billion \nHousing Assistance: $2.6 billion \nCriminal Justice: $2.6 billion \nJobs Lost by Americans: $10.8 billion \nOther Programs: $51.4 billion \nFood Stamps: $7 billion \nHealth Care: $1.4 billion (That Totals $131.7 BILLION Annually Folks)\n\nIf we can afford stupid specialty coins minted for each state in the USA. We can afford to secure our boarders, enforce immigration laws, and deport ILLEGAL immigrants.\n\n300 million Americans.\nEstimated 20 million + ILLegal immigrants\nestimate of ILLEGAL immigrant children in America 30 million\n\nIf Amnesty is given. each ILLEGAL immigrant then has the right to bring family over.\nEstimating 2 family members brought per person here 100 million in on year's time.\n\nGive or take more Illegals that may sneek in figuring they can get away with it too. As well as the immigrants we approve to come in that leaves us with a grand total of:\nAmerican population skyrockets to 450 million in one year.......\n\nA population increase of such magnitude, no other country or part of the world as we know it, has ever indured in history. \n\nIt's not rocket science. This is why there are controls on immigration into the country, and limits per year. The country has to survive the influk.It must be able to absord and provide for the influk. While maintianing economic stability. Which means and no job loss, housing loss, no resources loss, no sharp price inflations,or loss to the basic way of life of American's.\n\nRequiring economic stability no country or part of the world has at this time in our history. With legalization in those numbers we have a two fold obligation to remember. A right to a better life for every American new and old. \n\nWe have to be wise enough to protect tommorrow. So that we still have oportunity and a better way of life to offer immigrants who come here. We have to do that one by one.\n\nTruely what this issue comes down to is those who want it decided on emotionial reasoning, and those who see that no matter how upleasant, it must be looked at from a logical viewpoint in order for us all to survive. \n\n\nThere is a march going on right now with one man, heading to the White house carrying our signatures for a secure boarder to preserve our rights.\n\nMinutemans Walk Across America\n\nHe's on his way folks, they are taking signatures online, and will send them to him in DC. He will then personaly hand them over to Congress and the President. Please sign the petion before he arrives. He is making stops all over the USA on his way. But, he can not make it everywhere so sign online.\n\nhttp://www.minutemanhq.com/pet_hr1986/
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Funny thing is, I am a LEGAL resident and I can't go to a doctor because I don't have health insurance, and not even once it crosses my mind going to the ER to get primary care. I pay my taxes and do everything by the book, and as a legal resident I cannot (and don't want anyways) use any kind of welfare until I have been working here for 10 years (that's my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong) but the illegals always find a way to misuse the system. Do you know how many families "recycle" insurance cards to fraudulently get medical care because in one family they have 5 "Maria Perez"'s? Sorry, that's illegal and it puts a huge strain on the medical system. And of course those living of of welfare...So I don't think they should use the hospitals to survive, the HC system is already falling apart! I will not deny them of medical care but I don't think it's right. What needs to be done is to fix the problem at the root, and not just use "quick fixes".
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There are probably facts for the other side, for immigrants, but I can't tell you about those because I am against them. As you know, there are always at least two sides to an issue. Good job for listening to both sides. A lot of people just hard-headedly choose one without hearing the other out. I picked my side on beliefs and try to be somewhat polite when in debates, but it can be hard :)
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Costs the American taxpayers $55,000 per illegal encroacher for all the benefits they steal from us. Add on the off the books $$$, and how much they send out ($41 Billion I believe, annually). Pretty pricey, eh? Send 'em home!!