Jesus is not foreshadowed in the Old Testament (messianic prophecies were\nnot messianic prophecies!)\na) Whom they pierced (John 19:34-37, Zechariah 12:10-14,13:1-3)\nb) Out of Egypt (Matthew 2:14-15, Hosea 11:1-2)\nc) Rachel weeping (Matthew 2:17-18, Jeremiah 31:15-17)\nd) Speaking in parables (Matthew 13:35, Psalms 78:2)\ne) Nazarene nowhere in there (Matthew 2:23)\nf) What third day prophecy? (Luke 18:31-33, Luke 24:46, 1st Corinthians\n15:3-4)\ng) Bethlehem was a man (Matthew 2:3-6, Micah 5:2, 1st Chronicles 4:4)\nh) Virgin birth: a sign to Ahaz (Matthew 1:20-23, Isaiah 7 and 8)\ni) Thirty pieces of silver (Matthew 26:15, Matthew 27:9-10, Zechariah 11:12-13)
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...hmmm...I notice that your list doesn't have this prophecy which clearly foreshadows the role Jesus would play in our salvation.\n\nIsaiah 53:3  He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.  (4)  Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted.  (5)  But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed.  (6)  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.  \n\n(7)  He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth.  (8)  By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people?  (9)  And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.  \n\n(10)  Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for sin, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.  (11)  Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities.  (12)  Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors.\n\nNeither do you confront the prophecy of Daniel which when correctly interpreted points to the exact time that Jesus was here on earth. http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/dan927.htm\n\nDaniel 9:24  Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.  (25)  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.\n\nBoth of these are definitely Messianic prophecies and both of them were fulfilled by Jesus.\n\nhttp://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/m_prophecies.shtml
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Because the prophesies show two comings of Messiah, but they saw only one--that is in power and glory. They missed the prophesies regarding His coming and dying "not for himself" as detailed in the 70 weeks of Daniel http://tinyurl.com/hhmjt\n\nHe also claimed to be G-d. Something that was a real cause of stumbling for the Jewish mind, for G-d is one. But it was prophesied that He would be the "stumbling stone" and a "rock of offense".\n\nIt is not because Jesus was a Jew that they rejected Him. It was because it was part of G-d's plan that He be despised, and rejected of men--to be an offering for the sins of the world. Thus fulfilling the first half of prophecy. http://tinyurl.com/mbqa3\n\nBut this rejection is only temporary. There will come a day when He will reveal Himself to the Jewish nation, as it is written in Romans 11...\n\n...blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written [in Isaiah 59:20],\n\n      “The Deliverer will come out of Zion,\n      And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob”
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This could be the strongest point about the 'hidden agenda' of those who perpetrated to TWEAK the compilation of the Holy Bible by simply ignoring the so-called "missing years" of Yeshua ibn Joseph.\n\nIf you study about the ESSENES --the Brotherhood, a clustered community of prophets, visionaries and scribes that banded together since the time of Elijah-- they were the third largest group among the Jewry. The largest groups were the Pharisees, followed closely by the Sadducees, and then by the Essenes. Yet there is NOT ONE SINGLE mention about the Essenes in the Bible. Why is that so??\n\nSimply because that was the very group targeted by the early church [the RCC, who gained power from Constantine] to be OBLITERATED COMPLETELY from the face of the Earth and all historical and recorded references made about them as well as all their writings. The Essenes were the same ones who followed The Law for generations and who "separated" themselves from the rest of the Jewish cities to honor their Nazarite's Vows, which had been institued since the time of Moses...\n\nIt was through them that the maiden, Mary --daughter of Anna and Joachim-- was chosen to be the vessel for arrival of the Promised Messiah. There were two known communities of Essenes during that time: one in Nazareth, located at the foothills of Mt. Carmel; and the other in Qumran, high atop the cliffs overlooking the Dead Sea.\n\nMary, the young maiden, and Joseph, a respected elder and builder of their community both belonged to the community in Nazareth. Her first cousin Elizabeth, and husband Zecheriah --high priest/in-charge of the incense at the Temple in Jerusalem-- lived in Qumran where John the Baptist was born.\n\nAs the proclaimed MESSIAH, Savior and King of the Jews, since the time of Anunciation ['the Announcement'] it was already widespread among the Essene communities about His arrival. His Nativity in Bethlehem --House of David, family line of Joseph and Mary-- was well protected by members of the Brotherhood at all times, up to and including their departure to Egypt and safe return back to their town of Nazareth.\n\nI would venture to conjecture the following:\n\nYeshua's early childhood, or at least His first seven years, were spent with His mother and He obeyed all her laws at home. Between seven years to fourteen years old, He learned His father's trade as a carpenter and began to learn all the Sacred Scriptures [about Him, the Elect One] from the Masters in Mt. Carmel-- the original headquarters of Prophet Elijah and other 100 prophets that followed him since. This would explain why Yeshua/Jesus, at 12, began questioning the practices of the Pharisees and Sadducees at the Temple since, by then, He had already learned the Scriptures for at least five years...\n\nBy fourteen years old, He began His own ministry within the community of the Brotherhood and preached to the youth and the new members who were made welcome to join their open communities. By twenty-one years old, He had chosen the few "elects" among His early disciples and was by then known as The Master among the Brotherhood. Between twenty-one and twenty-eight, it is conceivable that He too was happily married as was the Jewish tradition among sons of men. This could also account for the various travels that He has been credited to have made in various places, learning their ways and bringing His message of the SEVENFOLD TEACHING that was given by the Ancient Great Ones who have seen the face of God...\n\nAnd by the time He was thirty, He began His public ministry to the rest of the Jews outside the Brotherhood.\n\nPresumably, being surrounded by disciples, scribes and elders of the Essene communities, the ENTIRE LIFE OF YESHUA was chronicled and written by at least hundreds, maybe even thousands of those whom The Master had affected... before He began to "choose" His "twelve [public] Apostles" soon after meeting
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Note: ECCLES.7:1 = "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth."\n\nCHRISTMAS\nChristmas isn't Jesus's birthdate; it was the birthday of the sun god. Scripture doesn't mention Jesus's birthdate or any christians celebrating His Birthday. The only birthday mentioned besides Pharoah is the heathen king Herod. "Christmas" means "mass of Christ"; the celebration coexisted in Rome before there was any in Jerusalem. The early Roman Church however did establish a pagan festival that (Jer.10) coexisted with Jesus's Birth and that was the birthday of the sun god. (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th ed., article: "Christmas"). The Catholic sources admit that Christmas didn't co-exist with the earliest festivals. Jesus wasn't born Christmas; even scripture makes this evident. "On the night of Jesus's birth, the shepherd's were still keeping watch over their flocks." (Luke 2:8). The rainy season in Ancient Israel began after the Feast of Tabernacles which generally is early October. In November, it would be cool and wet; the flocks from the pasture had already been brought and kept in winter quarters by the shepherds. This tells us the shepherds were no longer in the fields at night. Another peice of evidence is overlooked is in Luke 1:35-36; it tells us John the Baptist was born to Mary's cousin Elizabeth six months before Jesus. And as we look further in verse 5-17, we see Zacharias an elderly priest burning incense on the altar and then an angel appearing to him and telling him that he and his wife would have a son to prepare Christ's Way. We know however when this announcement was made by the angel because of Zacharias was "of the course of Abijah" Please look at 1Chron.24:1-19; it tells us that King David divided these priests into 24 "courses" that served in the temple by rotation. The Course of Abijah would be the 8th of the 24 courses which usually would occur around the end of May. Pentecost came the week after the 8th course served and he had to serve all 24 courses during the three festival seasons. So Zacharias came home approximately after the first week of June; in which John the Baptist was conceived around mid-June and 9 months later would be his birth. John Baptist's birth came around mid-March while Jesus's was around mid-September. Also notice every year people claim 3 wise men seen Jesus in a stable; is this really true? The Bible nowhere states "3 wise men" or "that the wise men visited Jesus in a stable". Read for yourself: (Matt.2:11); these Magi came from the east beyond the Euphrates River which in the 1st century was called the Parthian Empire (the eastern border of the Roman Empire). Several weeks after Jesus's birth, the Magi arrived in Jerusalem, the king's palace searching for Jesus. The "star" in the east led them to take their trip to Judea. After hearing about the timing of the "star's appearance" from the Magi; King Herod ordered the slaughter of all children two years and younger(Matt.2:16). When Jesus was 40 days old: His parents presented him in the temple (Luke 2:22)(Lev.12:2-4). After the Magi came, the family fled to Egypt. {Jesus six weeks old.}\nWHEN WAS JESUS'S BIRTH?\nhttp://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/magazine/tw-mag.cgi?category=Magazine33&item=1104261794\nhttp://family.webshots.com/photo/1342393463049373547FazWzQ\n****************************************************************\nHow Christmas came about. Is it related to Valentine's?\nVALENTINE'S (CUPID)\nCENTURIES BEFORE CHRIST, THE PAGAN ROMANS CELEBRATED FEBRUARY 15 & THE EVENING OF FEBRUARY 14 AS AN IDOLATROUS & SENSUOUS FESTIVAL IN HONOR OF LUPERCUS, THE "HUNTER OF WOLVES". THE ROMANS CALLED THE FESTIVAL "LUPERCALIA"; CUSTOM OF EXCHANGING VALENTINES & OTHER TRADITIONS TO HONOR LUPERCUS, TH
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They probably belongs to one of these cults that deny the trinity. But\n\n YES, it is in the Old Testament. Genesis 1:1: In the beginning, Elohim created. That is not Yahweh, Elohim is a plurality, meaning more than one. Just like Cherubim and Seraphim, angels. Anything that ends in “im” is more than one.\n\nNow, we know that God the Father was there, and you believed that. But in Genesis 1:2, the Holy Spirit moved upon the face of the waters. Then in Proverbs 30:4, it says, who hath created all the ends of the earth? Who hath created the world? What is God's name and what is His Son's name? That’s not the New Testament, that’s the Hebrew Scriptures. In Isaiah 9:6-7, it says, Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given. And what is the name of this son? The "Mighty God" in the next verse.\n\nYou see this? READ YOUR HEBREW SCRIPTURE, MY FRIEND.\n\n\n\nRapture\n\nThere is no conflict, it’s probably that you do not understand that there are two “appearings”: two comings of Christ - both with an “R”. The first is the “Rapture”. That's when we hear the words, “come up hither” in Revelation 4:1 and we're caught up in the twinkling of an eye, I Corinthians 15:52. The dead in Christ rise first, then we which are alive and remain are caught up with the dead in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, I Thessalonians 4:16.\n\nNow the tribulation hour begins in chapter 6. We're already gone in chapter 4, with the come up hither. We get to verse 12, we have this problem with the sun you mentioned, but that precedes His coming back to earth, the second part of the Second Coming called His “Revelation”, or his revealing on earth. And revelation 6:12 says, “there was a great earthquake and the sun became black as sack cloth of hair and the moon as blood”. You find it again in Joel chapter 2, verses 30 and 31. But Jesus pinpoints the time in Matthew 24:29, immediately after the tribulation of those days, after the 7 years will the sun become darkened and the moon shall not give her light. Then Christ returns with his people for Jude 14 says the lord comes with ten thousands of his saints. You need to study the two “appearings” - the two “comings” of Christ, my friend.\n\nI always remember a child being taught  about the " Rapture" in the Catholic schools, but They called it" being caught up into heaven". Why do our churches seldom mention the event?\n\n Catholic school they taught it as “being caught up”. That is I Thessalonians 4:17. You know, someone said you can't find the word “rapture” in the Bible. But you can in the Catholic Bible, the Latin Vulgate by Saint Jerome. When he gets to I Thessalonians 4:17, he uses the word “rapiamore” – it means raptured – where it says, “caught up” in our English versions.  Why don't more churches do it? They don't study and they don't know what the Bible says. They don't study the catechism – they don’t study the Word of God. God forgive us for that situation. \n\nI believe probably the most obvious would be events that happened in the Old Testament that seem like the Rapture. And, we have some in the Old Testament.\n\n Well not actually what takes place at the Rapture, for then we get brand new bodies, to be like the body of Jesus, I John 3:2-3.\n\nHowever, there were two men in the Old Testament who were snatched up to meet the Lord in the heavenlies. Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him. Now it was a form of the Rapture, but it wasn’t really the Rapture, because he’s on the other side in his old body. It was not changed as he went up. And then in 2 Kings 2:11, Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven, but he’s still there in his body. All the others are there as spirits, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, 2 Corinthians 5:8. And James teaches us that, chapter 2:27, as the body went out, the spirit is dead, because t
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OMG there r sooo many weird answers!!!!!!!!!!\nislam did say that jesus is a prophate\n\n\nMuslims respect and venerate Jesus Christ. They consider him to be one of God's greatest messengers to humankind. The Qur'an re-affirms his miraculous birth and his miraculous abilities. Furthermore, his mother Mary is regarded as one of the most pure and exalted women of all creation. As the Qur'an says: \n\nNeither Muhammad nor Jesus came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in One God, brought by earlier prophets, but to confirm and renew it. In the Qur'an, Jesus is reported as saying that he came: "To attest the law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey me." (Qur'an 3:50) \n\n In the Qur'an, Christians are often referred to as among the "People of the Book," i.e. people who have received and believed in previous revelation from God's prophets. There are verses that highlight the commonalities between Christians and Muslims, and other verses that warn Christians against sliding towards polytheism in their worship of Jesus Christ.\n\nIn the Qur'an, stories about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ (called 'Isa in Arabic) are abundant. The Qur'an recalls his miraculous birth, his teachings, the miracles he performed by God's permission, and his life as a respected prophet of God. The Qur'an also repeatedly reminds that Jesus was a human prophet sent by God, not part of God Himself. For more detailed information about what Muslims believe about Jesus, please visit the FAQ index page. Below are some direct quotations from the Qur'an regarding his life and teachings.\n"Behold! the angels said, 'Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company of) those nearest to God. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. \nHe shall be (in the company) of the righteous... And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel'" (3:45-48).\n"He [Jesus] said: 'I am indeed a servant of God. He has given me revelation and made me a prophet; He has made me blessed wheresoever I be; and He has enjoined on me prayer and charity as long as I live. He has made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable. So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!' Such was Jesus the son of Mary. It is a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is" (19:30-35).\n\n"When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: 'Now I have come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which you dispute. Therefore, fear God and obey me. God, He is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him -- this is a Straight Way.' But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement. So woe to the wrongdoers, from the penalty of a Grievous Day!" (43:63-65)\n\n"And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: 'Oh Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I lived among them. When You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a witness to all things'" (5
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I believe the 2nd story is correct. Not sure about the follower part, but yes, another man was subsituted. See, Jesus was pulled into the heavens and will return before the Day of Judgement, symbolizing that the Day of Judgement is near. So, yes, God did not kill Jesus.
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To me, it would appear that they read Matthew 5:17 and stop at the first 2 words: "Think not".\n\nThey have that down to a science, they just don't think.\n\nIn context Matthew 5:17-20 says:\n"Think not that I am come to destroy the Torah, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.  For truely I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, not one iota (or Yud in the Hebrew Alephbet) or one tittle (the "crowns" or Taggin) shall in any way pass from the Torah, till all be fulfilled.  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.  For I say unto you, That unless your righteousness shall exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."\n\nThe Christians are supposed to be following Torah even more righteously than the rabbis of the time! Of course, Talmud doesn't think much of that generation of rabbis, saying it was their "baseless hatred" that caused the Temple to be destroyed.\n\nPerhaps Christians get around this by saying that Heaven and Earth have passed away?  As far as I can tell they are still here.  Perhaps it is that old "think not" thought process of theirs.  I suspect that a better translation would be "even if heaven and earth pass...." since Torah is eternal in nature.\n\nThey don't realize that for one to violate a command of Torah it is as though he had destroyed it.  Likewise, they don't understand the concept of what the word "fulfilled" means.  I try to tell them that when I pull up to a full and complete stop at a stop sign, I have fulfilled the law concerning stop signs.  But the fact that I have fulfilled the law doesn't mean that everyone else is now free to run the stop sign.  (If they were consistant in their reading of this passage that is exactly how they would have to apply the words.)\n\nThe passage isn't saying that he came to do away with Torah or anything.  It isn't saying he was going to violate the requirements of Torah in anyway.  He was going to keep every command of Torah that applied to him and he wanted his followers to do the same.\n\nSo they should be out teaching each other to keep even the smallest of the commandments.  Why aren't they doing this?  Because they "think not".
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This is not a prophecy for one, matts got that right.  And God never told Joseph he would live to be 85, He said, if thou.  In v16, this leads me to believe that the Lord is telling Joseph not to be concerned with such things, that he will see Christ regardless of when the second coming is.\n\nI am wondering if these are even your own thoughts, because this stuff looks like it came from www.exmormon.org.  Do you know anything about these people who write this stuff?  For all you know they are apostates that have been excommunicated for being an adulterer and become imbittered over it, or something else, and instead of repenting and working to be reinstated into the church, they live their life trying to justify their actions by claiming the church isn't true.  It is all biased.  It is worse than mainstream news.  How can you actually read this stuff and feel fulfilled?  What happened with you Brandon, that you feel you have to destroy the faith of others?  Isn't the faith you have good enough; you have to try to discredit others faith for what?  To strengthen yours?  That is not how to develop faith.  If you were content with your beliefs that would be enough for you.  What is this enfatuation with the LDS church?  It sounds like you might read this anti-mormon trash more than you study to develop your personal beliefs, I hope I am wrong, but is that what God wants?
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OK Ms. Heron-O-Rific! (hey!  YOU are the one who wanted a funny name just like Trasky-poo and Schnebby-kins so you you got one <winks and giggles>)\n\nI think Matthew misinterpretted what Jesus actually said.  No one will ever know for certain either if Jesus said it because there is really no evidence to support that he even existed.\n\nBTW... that woman is stupid for going back to him.
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Don't worry your little head over it, they said the same thing about 6/6/66. It ain't gonna happen, all date setting is useless. The Father Only, had this information, during the Incarnation of Jesus. He kept it in His Own Power & Devine Knowledge till Jesus returned to Heaven & once again took His Seat as God. The Bible says, "He willingly laid aside His Godhood, not thinking It to be something to hold on to. So He could taste Death for every man. Having done so He returned to Heaven, and we know Him no more after the flesh." He took up His Godhood, and now when He returns, He comes back as God Almighty. No man will be able to hurt Him as they did 2,000 years ago. He will slay 200,000,000 with the Sword of His Mouth (His Word) and split the Mount of Olives in two when He arrives at Jerusalem, after Armageddon is finished. Then the Jews will recognize Him as Messiah,  "When they look upon Him Whom they pierced." The nimber 666 is the numerical value of the name of a man who will become the anti-christ. There are 3 things that will be used in the anti-christ kingdom for people that wish to buy or sell. 1. His Mark (currently unknown) 2. His name (currently unknown) 3. The number of his name (666 currently all we know of the anti-christ) The Scriptures call him "the king of the North" "the Assyrian, the oppressor of God's People." This points to modern day Syria, it is due North of Jerusalem. Keep your eyes on Syria, I think the anti-christ will prove the Scriptures Right once again. By the way, God's Name adds up to 777 & Jesus adds up to 888. God's being Perfect Completeness & Jesus' being the number of New Beginnings. 6,000 yrs from Adam, 1,000 yrs for the Millinium equals 7,000 years. Eternity begins at the end of Jesus' 1,000 year Reign. God Bless, Pastor "B"
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Bible doesn't specify what the carpenter built, was it furniture or boats? Why mention it? Same thing, Jesus was human and it was normal to be married, so why write about something that is obvious? Even the gnostics, who wrote that he loved her, didn't mention any details at all. If the writer's intention was to only make Mary look like Jesus' wife, then she (gnostic writers were mainly females) would have added details. They didn't because it is irrlevent, it's the "love" that is important and that's all. However note that the gnostics married spiritually, the marriage ceremony was sexual intercourse. Note also the wedding mentioned in the Christian bible... it was "on the third day" (significance?), the groom always provided the wine (Jesus turned water into wine there [this is symbolical, not a miracle]). Then, who is "the disciple whom Jesus loved"? Why does the writer not simply say who it is? If bible is "word of God" then the reader has a right to know. Why the mystery? The reason is because the gnostics were all about "hidden knowledge", that is how they wrote. Gospel of John is the most "gnostic" of the synoptics. No time left, but yes there is more than enough evidence to support that the Magdalene was Jesus' consort.
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I'm in Matthew right now, just finished the old testament.  so zero times.  I'm a Biblical follower.  Any religion of Christianity that beleives they are right should be the same, but for some reason they divide themselves into infinite amounts of dissagreement and confusion.  They have ministers and interpereters, but there really only is the Bible to get the knowledge from.
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Is it possible that out of over thirty false messiahs running around during the second temple era, Christians fell for a fake?\n\nJesus could not possible be the Messiah, do you even know what the Messiah is supposed to do? Why didn't he do everything?\n\nI know I know, he will do it when he comes back right? Using that logic ANYONE could be the Messiah. Do you know who Shimon bar Kokhba is? \n\nHe was a figure who many thought might be the Messiah (and who actually met more of the Criteria then Jesus)do you no why he wasn't declared the Messiah? because he didn't fulfill the prophecies. But you know maybe he is coming back and he will fulfill the prophecies then.\n\nGive me a break!!!!\n\nDo you even know the criteria?\n\nFirst of all, he must be Jewish - "...you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you." (Deuteronomy 17:15)\n\nHe must be a member of the tribe of Judah - "The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet..." (Genesis 49:10)\n\nTo be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a biological father who is a member of the tribe of Judah.\n\nHe must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son - "And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever..." (2 Samuel 7:12 - 13)\n\nThe genealogy of the New Testament is inconsistent. While it gives two accounts of the genealogy of Joseph, it states clearly that he is not the biological father of Jesus. One of the genealogies is through Nathan and not Solomon altogether!\n\nHe must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel -"And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (Isaiah 11:12)\n\nAre all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus?\n\nHe must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - "...and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them.." (Ezekiel 37:26 - 27)\n\nAt last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after Jesus died that the Temple was DESTROYED! Just the opposite of this prophecy!\n\nHe will rule at a time of world-wide peace - "...they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." (Micah 4:3)askyourself...\n\nHave you seen a newspaper lately? Are we living in a state of complete world peace? Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?\n\nHe will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d's commandments - "My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes." (Ezekiel 37:24)\n\nThe Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.\n\nHe will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d - "And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd" (Isaiah 66:23)\n\nthere are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold.\n\nAll of these criteria are best stated in the book of Ezekie
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Jesus was not the messiah, and will not come back, as he is dead. Nor will he rise from the dead, or return from elsewhere. THis will be impossible for xtians to accept, I realize this, but someone has got to get them to see truth somehow. I might as well be speaking to a brick wall. I dont know why I bother, actually. Oh well. And if you think youre going to be 'raptured', then youre in for a rude awakening. Good luck with that...
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Sparky First let me say I appreciate the 10 pts. I don't know what I did to piss you off though. I told you to look up the work "Qumran" because it is one of the best documented archaeological finds in the world and I knew that there would be plenty of info online (which would be convenient for you). Would you rather me refer you to the dozens of books that I know of offhand or to an infinite # of archaeological reports that are incredibly boring to read? I studied Qumran under Jodi Magness at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and she is the foremost American Archaeologist in the world concerning the "holyland." In particular, she is definitely the foremost authority on Qumran, where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found.  In case you don't know, archaeology is SCIENCE, not religion, and archaeological reports and finds are scientific and are not at all connected to the Church or any religion.  \n\nNothing in my answer to you dealt with religious dogma, I simply tried to answer your question as to why SOME Christians see a threat in the DaVinci code. Now, as for your claim that the bible was written 200 years after Christ, well that's true for some of the later NT books, but not of the Gospels. Some of the gnostic texts were much later than the gospels, which is part of the reason they were rejected by the church. \n\nAnd lastly, you claim that the bible has changed so many times that it's all crap. What do you have to support this? Go see the Dead Sea Scrolls some time, which were written between 2500-2000 yrs ago (as I visited a DSS exhibit about a month ago in Charlotte, NC). And then compare that to the KJV or the American Standard Bible.  The Old Testament found in the 1950s in the Caves near Qumran is nearly word for word with what we have today.  It is amazing that in 2000 or more years the Jewish text has changed so little!  This means that we should all reexamine the amount of credit we have granted the Jewish oral tradition that was so important to the early Christian Church.  IT IS ACCURATE, whether you want to admit it or not. SCIENCE and HISTORY support that.\n\nAgain, I answered your question rather well... Let me try one more time in FIVE SIMPLE SENTENCES that will be very easy for you to comprehend this time:\n\n1.  It wouldn't be so bad if Jesus was married.\n\n2.  Christians are NOT offended or threatened by the possibility that Jesus could have been married.\n\n3.  It's simply not historically true or believable, from the bible and from the writings of two Roman historians Tacitus and Josephus.\n\n4.  However, Some Christians ARE offended by the notion that Christ was not Divine; and the "The DaVinci Code" claims his having a child is proof that Jesus was NOT divine.\n\n5.  Such a claim can be damaging to the mission field because people like you believe anything and everything you read in a novel or see on TV and are therefore hostile toward Christianity.\n\nSo, that's why some Christians are offended by the DaVinci Code and by the notion that Christ might have been married to and had a child with Mary Magdalene.  Because of the hostility towards Christianity that such false belief creates.  People like you work directly against anyone trying to bring people to Christ.  \n\nPS.. the whole "MM was a whore" lost in translation thing.. do your history research man, you don't know what you are talking about at all.  You speak fiction and pass it off as truth. \n\nAnd you wonder why people would be offended?  maybe some people just like the truth?\n\nLet me ask you a question.  Why are you so offended by Christianity?  What are YOU afraid of?  The Truth?