I've heard this story a dozen times, but it's certainly not in Genesis.  Where can it be found?  And if not in the Bible, what other document?  Frankly, I don't believe in God or the devil.  The lack of any document explaining the origins of Satan strengthens my case.  And to those who would say, "It don't matter that you don't believe in the devil because the devil believes in you..."  **** off.
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The actual story of  the fall of the angels is told in the book of 1 Enoch chapters 6-36.  This is a non-biblical book but was very popular during the start of the Christian era.  The Ethiopian Orthodox Church does include this book in their canon of scripture.\n\nThe episle of Jude 14-15 quotes 1 Enoch.\n\n--\nSteve Puluka\nMasters Student, SS Cyril & Methodius Seminary\nCantor, Holy Ghost Church, Mckees Rocks PA\nhttp://www.puluka.com
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A lot to read, but, I think the last sentence sums up the whole, as to what you ask. Yes, we may not be sure of the details between God and Satan, I believe this is a personal dispute. Ever hear people say about a Husband/Wife or two best Friends arguing; "You don't want to get in the middle of that"? I not going too, it between God and Satan. True we may be in the middle to some extent and too much to write on that.\nThe Bible does not give too much detail about Satan and in Job chapter 1 we see he is in Heaven talking with God about Job! I not understand God's full plan and it His choice. So, I trust Jesus and figure one day may know the deeper details. Hope this helps.
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I'm of the christian faith. I live in the bible belt of the United States, though I've rarely been inside a church.... I put effort into my religion every day, every second of every day, and have done so since I was 4 or 5, am not even sure of my age when I began to seek God....since that time I've read and studied my bible( nearly every home in the bible belt has several bibles at the least); however, since gaining internet access 4 years ago, I've extended my research to studying the origins of christianity (which originates in Judaism; big DUH but the statement make s my line of thought flow more smoothly:)... and have found the books of the Bible ( especially the new testament) to be the best documented piece of ancient literature yet found and Judaism to be non polluted/diluted by other ancient religions...the Bible was penned by 40 different authors from many different social backgrounds and over 1500 years worth of writing; and all of those writings don't conflict in any way.. the bible can be argued with ( though all arguments so far can be traced to mistranslation of original language or ignorance of cultural context) but not proven false.... in a nutshell,there is no physical/scientific evidence to disprove either Judaism or its culmination,Christianity... Shalom v'shalom
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It is obvious to me that the evil in the world does not come from following the teachings in the Bible, but come from ignoring those teachings.  If people loved one another, treated one another as they would like to be be treated, were kind and helpful and did not take advantage of one another, the world would be a wonderful place.  That is the Bible teaching.  Where the people live the commandments of God there is peace and harmony.  This is the God I believe in, love, and will follow.  Satan is the one who spreads dissent, hate, discord, war, and suffering.  Satan wants you to not believe in the Bible.  There is no doubt in my mind who the good guy is, and who is the evil one.
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I personally agree with much of what you are saying. The bible was written by many different men, and is missing parts that were in it many y&#92;centuries ago. We have the English version (thanks to Henry VIII0, and that is a translated version from thee original Hebrew, Arab and Greek. It is therefore, in my opinion, ridiculous to take it literally. I also believe in God but not in the bible, per say. I believe in the golden rule and being a good person but do not allow myself to be bullied into certain behavior and beliefs by the church out of fear.\nBelieve whatever you want, in the end you have to live with yourself, and should therefore be true to yourself. Who cares what anyone else thinks? Many of the people who would "bash you" for not believing in creationism are just narrow minded people who believe what they were brought up to believe and never questioned any of it.
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The devil doesn't need to read the Bible.  The devil knows God firsthand, and has rejected him.  Now he's busy leading others to reject God as well.\n\nBesides, the devil hates the Bible -- if you skip to the end, you'll find out that at the end of the final battle, he LOSES !
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In the beggining after God created Man to be in his own image. After he saw that this was good he thought it was not right for man to be alone so he caused a great sleep to fall on Adam and created Eve from one of Adams ribs. God told Adam and Eve that they were to live in the Garden of Eden and they could eat anything they wished in that garden except from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Then the devil came in form of a serpent to tempt Eve so that she would disobey God; the serpent provoked Eve saying that nothing bad could come from the eating the fruit.Sho she ate it and thought it was good and offered some to Adam who in turn ate of the fruit too.\n\nAfter eating the forbidden fruit soon both Adam and Eve realized that they were naked, so they ran to the bushes and covered themselves. It was at this time that God called  to Adam (for God walked with man in those days) that Adam did not respond thinking he could hide foolishly from the Almighty God. God of course knew where they were hiding and asked the both of them what was wrong; when Eve told God that the serpent tempted her and that she had eaten from the fruit and gave it to Adam, God cursed the serpent to walk on his belly. God then clothed Adam and Eve and set them outside the garden of Eden never to be allowed back in with a guard of angels at the garden's gates at all times. God watched over Adam and Eve but he told both of them that their lives would be harder; Adam would have to work hard at the fields to grow food for his family, and Eve would experience child birth pains, so is the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. =)
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No amount of me telling you what is and what not ain't gonna convince you,The fact that u r asking this question is because deep down you know u r wrong,The christian God as u put it, and satan r not equal and whomever came up with the idea you being taught against the bible with the bible is really cunning must be the devil himself,Let me tell you what my God give me that no demon in hell can give you peace.God treated lucifer unjust r u kidding me? God could have killed him he should have, but look around you all the wickedness thats happening the Devil is very well in charge.Do you know your lucifer talk to God see in Job when God said to him have u considered my son Job he said To God do u think job serve u for nothing meaning the omly reason y job serve God is because he was rich God said to him take all he has Job stayed true to God anyways your devil is gonna burn in hell along with anyone who serve him, you can prove God for yourself just talk to him.Say if u r really up there do something to let me know u r real
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I read your question.  I believe in the Bible it is how I live my life or at least try to : ).  I still don't understand why I MUST believe in fire-breathing dragons, Loch Ness monster, flying serpents and whatever else you listed.  Of course I don't believe in them.
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I agree, but apparently most people have never read any of these texts that your talking about.  When you bring it up they will answer with "all cultures had similar stories".  I don't understand if they ever read the stories and saw that they are from what they call Pagan religions with multiply gods and how the same story is written in Genesis and is uncannily similar from the story plot, the sequence of events and even the language how they could deny that the bible was taken from them and changed to one god.\n\nScience has clearly dated these documents and the bible and the other texts are clearly more ancient by many centuries.  But apparently they are afraid that if they read them their belief system will be shattered and that thought may be unbearable to most people.
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Hello Amanda!\nIt would help if you could be more Specific on these questions!\nJesus Loves You!\nLater-----Ditto...........................\n\nLater:\nThats true, you can Take words out of the Bible, so GOD Warned us.\n\nThe Anti-Christ Spirit (satan) is in the World and has been for a Long Time---satan uses someone who will let him, when it comes to being the Anti-Chirst in the Flesh (Human Body).  There have been Several Anti-Christ's in the Flesh since satan gained Entrance to this World.\nI Think that the Last one is Alive at some Age on the Earth right now, in another Country, but those are Just my Thoughts, I could be Wrong.\n\nThese last Two questions are what I need more Info. on to be able to give a more Fuller Answer.\nThank you.
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Good question. Do you believe in the Bible? If not, there is no point in giving biblical answer. But, if you do you may find this view helpful.\n\nGod did not destroy Lucifer--including Adam and Eve--immediately after their rebellion in Eden because an important issue was raised. If God destroyed immediately the 3 rebels then other intelligent creations--the angels or spirit beings-- would have thought that the 3 rebels were right. This issue--which you and I face--needed time to be solve.\n\nISSUE: DOES MAN NEED GOD TO GOVERN HIMSELF? Satan said: 'NO, man by himself can know what is good and bad. He does not need God'. By raising this issue the wily serpent turned the 1st man and woman as his worshipper. (Read and understand Genesis 3:2-4; Luke 4:5-7)\n\nThis issue on Sovereignty--the right of God to rule--was again raised by the Israelites. They have turned away from the true God and worship other gods. (1Samuel 8:4-8) Guess who would be behind this?\n\nBut, try as he might Man and Satan can not really make a better world for us. We have tried so many forms of government. All are failures--monarchy, demo-crazy, (pun intended), oligarcy, communism, etc. Nothingh works.\n\nSo, God has set up a time when he will destroy all these governments under the control of Satan. (Dan 2:4; Rev 12:9) Yes, all humans who dishonor God--including fornicators, criminals--and SATAN will be destroyed eternally by God. Revelations 20:10; 21:8 says they will suffer 2nd death for which there is no resurrection. This 2nd death is illustrated by a lake of sulfur and fire.
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The term "in his image" means not what he looks like (god) but what he imagined man to look like. Yes Man did exist outside of Eden.  "Cain then traveled to the land of Nod and there he knew his wife".  Only the decendants of Adam and Eve are cursed.  Since there were those outside of Eden they are without sin.  God did not flood the entire earth, in fact it was the river Nile that had flooded and washed away those in the local area.  Otherwise how would you account for the pacific civilizations.  The bible is full of metaphores.  You must take the stories and see beyond the words to see what little truth is left in them.  The original bible had over 100 books in it.  It got whittled down to what we recognize today, by different Popes, Bishops, and Kings taking out what they thought didn't fit the story.  Gutenburg was the first to put it all together.  Also consider these stories have been handed down for many centuries and in so the translations became blurry.  By the way I am not a Christian but a Witch, I take the time to study other belief systems so I can better understand my brothers and sisters.
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I am with you. I dont belive in any of it.  No God, heaven, hell, religion, afterlife, higher power...period.  It is the ultimate hoax, the greatest "story" ever told.  In the Bible it states that many of HIS followers eluded to the fact that Jesus or God himself asked them to sacrifice a life, fast...etc.  If ANYONE went and sacrificed a life TODAY, they would be found guilty of murder by the very people who will go that Sunday and pray in church with the Bible in their hand.  It is the ultimate form of hypocritical existence.   They say you must have FAITH to believe.  Well, if I was a religious man serving under the beliefs of God, I would have FAITH in a man who said he has repented his sins, he did it in the name of God and then I would set him free.  So, to all of those who judge, who convict a religious crime based on societal evidence, you have sinned equally in the eyes of YOUR GOD.  So, I am with you brother.  There is NO evidence, proof or otherwise to suggest a supreme supernatural power exists.  Evolution DOES on the other hand exist and it is proven to have existed LONG before any so called God, creator, or Hell existed.  We are born, we live and we die.  It is that simple.  You have to be strong to accept that kind of fate and I DO accept that.  Belief in God is for those who fear death and the impending nothingness that follows.  They cant accept that or figure out our beginning, so they SAID this and that happened.  The billions who have been fooled.
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i'm pretty sure you know the Christian view... this is something i've been thinking about a good bit lately - Genesis talks about 'when a man leaves his parents and basically takes a wife... they live together and become one.. sorry - paraphrasing i dont like... i'll add more as i research\nI'm curious more because of the jewish prophecy concerning the messiah; of a virgin, yet of the line of David. \n& my head hurts.
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your right it's not in the bible. the catholic church incorporated into their system, because it would be easier for pagan worshippers who sacrificed babies to come into the church.
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Okay, here we go. Long before there was ever such a thing as Christendom, Jew, whose creation story Genesis recounts, understood fully the account was a summary of how the world began. Since they got this information at Sinai 3,300 years ago, it was obvious it was not a play by play rendition of events, rather the overview of what came first, second and so on. If taken even somewhat literally, it is obvious Moses did not travel back in time to personally experience creation, the story goes he was taking dictation directly from God.\n\nSince the Genesis account pretty much approximates the evolutionary concept of something from nothing, more from less, the least complexity to the most, the conflict found in Christian responses to evolution never happened with Judaism. Then again, Jews never burned people for refusing to believe the earth was flat, either.\n\nSo what you identify is the pick and choose theology of modern Protestantism more and anything Catholic. As for the Roman Church being right or wrong, I can't say, I don't believe in Satan so I would answer no to your next question, and I don't think you're dead wrong.