I have heard men and women argue over the subject that men should be the head of the house and woman are to submit to them. I want to hear others views on this. \n\nGod said.."EPH 5:22 ¶ Wives, be subject to your own husbands." Men love this bible verse they use it all the time. But what does this mean and what did God say to men? In the same passage further down God says, "EPH 5:28 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it." \n\nWhat if the man were so in love with his wife that she was his only need? What if the thing that made him happy was to see her safe and fulfilled? Would it be so wrong for her to submit to him? Would it not be a natural response?
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No- this is a bunch of male crap. Anyone who uses religion to control or enslave someone, should be horsewhipped. You should be a strong, independant person, whether you are a male or female. "god" didn't say those things, men did.
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No but goes back to the bible. It is written that only a husband should know his wife in that manner. Meaning that you should Waite for marriage to sleep with someone. If it is against the Lord, if you follow his teachings then it should something that you are against.
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Very much so.\n\nThey where viewed as prity much worthless with out a husband, and only then to serve god and there husband.\n\nNuns and other religous women where the only acception and they where still veiwed as being of less worth than your avrange man.\n\nThankfully modern culture has kind got the church to turn away from that part of the bible and they don't try and act on it anymore.... heck many curch members don't even know it's the case.
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Interesting, but my translation says "God takes his stand in his own congregation".  (New American Standard).  We would need to discuss it with an expert in ancient hebrew to form an informed opinion, so take it easy.
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Absolutely the man must uphold his part!What your so called Christian friends are saying is only partially correct.You should submit to a husband who is respecting you and your marriage.I do not agree that you need to submit to someone who is either abusive,cruel or telling you to do the wrong things,or whom does not equally love and respect you!
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it is from proverbs....in the bible.. god uses the wife to help and bless the husband (ideally)
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Unfortunately it would seem to me that for the Bibles conception of marriage and how we must behave both parties would need to be of the same mind. In this sick worlf I imagine that more often than not one or the other would take advantage of the other if only one believed the above philosophy. \n\nI have never married. But when I do, I will follow God commandements. I will also make sure my chosen mate lives a life that is pleasing to the Father so we are of a same mind on such issues as these. \n\nIt is sad, but I work in the domestic violence feild and I ahve seen many women taken advantage of and even their pastors use these Bible verses to keep them with their abusers...and sometimes they end up dead. That is not what God intended.
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Yes, I know, Dear. But, unfortunately, Paul didn't like women at all. He made certain the gospels of the followers of Jesus who were ladies were kept silent. It's been debated whether Paul himself was a misogynist or just gay. I am not being combative, I'm simply repeating what was in one of my religion classes. I see no reason why a Woman shouldn't lead a prayer. It's they who bear the children and cook the food. These are both sacraments in their own rights. God doesn't care about gender. God cares about what actually goes into a prayer and the faith of those praying it.
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It also says for the husbands to love their wives as themselves.\nSo if a wife doesn't want to have sex and the husband makes her or places a guilt trip on her then he is NOT loving her as the Bible says.\nIt's a two way street. Many try to take one verse from the Bible to confirm their wants and desires...the Bible can't be read like that!\n\nThe Bible also says that we were given a sex drive to benefit our spouse, not ourselves. God did not make sex to be a selfish act, but rather a selfless act. WE are to place the others needs above our own. So if we place the others needs above our own, we wouldn't force another into sex to meet our own needs and desires. \n\nSo with all that said, Sex, according to the Bible is a gift to the married couple and should be used as a means of connecting intimately. This can't be done if one of the partners is not interested at that time. \n\nHowever,sex is important and gives us the greatest connections possible if both parters are willing and ready.
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"“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allâh has made one of them to excel the other” [al-Nisa’ 4:34]"\n\ni'm not sure how this can possibly be interpreted to say that men excel over women. i think we all know that normally the people who protect and maintain a person is serving them. we can see this because kings were always protected and maintained by their lowly serfs and knights. if the women are meant to be served, according to this verse, then clearly the koran is saying that it is women who in fact excel over men, and men's only use is to serve women. therefore, muslim men have no place in the government, in teaching positions, or making decisions on behalf of a woman. \n\nhas that clarified things a little bit?
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are you talking rape? or pressure to have sex? cause if your are i think that it's htat men have learned that it's ok to take advantage of women. \n\nalso women have become so dependant on the attention of men that we will do anything for it even that which we would not wish to do.\n\nalso since you said it was ok to bring religon in, there is a pasasge in teh bible about the fall of man and the first sin, and the curse on man because of it.\n\n16 To the woman he said, \n       "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; \n       with pain you will give birth to children. \n       Your desire will be for your husband, \n       and he will rule over you." \n\n 17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and \nsinned,"\n       "Cursed is the ground because of you; \n       through painful toil you will eat of it \n       all the days of your life. \n\nso basicall he told women that we would want to be with men, and they would use force against us because of our sinfull nature.\n\nit doesn't have to be that way because of the coming of jesus, but we still let men rule over us and men still do wrong things for physical pleasure.
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1 Corinthians 7:3-5 (NIV)\n"The husband should fulfil his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self control."\n\nIn other words, the wife should satisfy the husband and the husband should satisfy the wife.
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>>>I currently don't have a wife or girlfriend (although I most positively AM straight) and was giving serious thought to being single for the rest of my life so I could pursue spiritual and humanitarian goals<<<\n\nWhy not?  Catholic bishops, priests, brothers, and nuns have been doing this for centuries.  \n\nEven if you're not a Catholic priest or nun -- or even if you're not Catholic -- it's entirely possible to do this.\n\nJesus spoke of those who "made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom" and He gently challenged people to accept this lifestyle if it were within their abilities (Mt 19:12).  \n\nSt. Paul writes about how the single man can be more devoted to God -- though he didn't denigrate marriage at all, saying that marriage too was a bona fide Christian vocation. \n\nI think it's great that you're seeing the single state as an opportunity to "pursue spiritual and humanitarian goals" when a lot of the rest of us would see it as the opportunity to turn life into a big party.  \n\nAnd who knows?  You can live this life for a certain period of time, and then later on meet a woman and ... well, you know.
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Hmmm, I've said the same thing about the sisters.  I've mostly ran into controlling domineering women who don't submit themselves before God.  Neither do they desire to submit themselves to a man.  \nWe are living in the last days and the bible says that people in these times will not endure sound doctrine.\nIt will be harder and harder to find true servants of Christ as we get closer to His return.
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Read this quickly, it may be censured by Tammy C.\n\nTammy C is now writing her own Bible. She quoted 1 Corninthians 6: 9-11 as condeming homosexuals. The actual word is effeminent; which is the greek word for incest; not homosexuals.\n\nAnyway, quoting Paul is disrespect for God and Jesus. Paul, himself, would not have wanted you to quote him or worship him by living your life according to him. Paul had no idea that his personal letters to Timothy, or Titus, or the Corinthians would someday be included in the "Book of God".  At the beginning of the second mil. about 1200 AD a group looked at about 150 scrolls and selected the 66 that would become  what we call the Bible.  \n\nIf you want to quote someone, quote Jesus. \n\nNow to answer your question. There is no place that condemns that particular thing. However, if causes disharmony it would be a sin. Why? Harmony is harmony; Disharmony is the only sin against God.\n\n PS. you had better read this quickly. It might be censured in a few minutes.\n\nMary W is writing her own Bible, too.  I am sick of religious leaders making up rules and interpretations of the Bible in order to build their empires and control people's lives.
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Are you kidding me?  God wants us to take delight in our spouses.  Sex isn't just for procreation.  Otherwise why would it feel so good?  He would have made it about as much fun as planting a garden.  My husband and I are both born-again Christians.  The only reason I don't moan loud is because I have kids in the house.  I too say read the Song of Solomon.  That book is quite direct about the pleasures of sex.  And it is in the Bible.
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Allow me to clarify some of the confusing responses.\n\nGod is love, Jesus taught us this over and over again in all of His teachings and sermons and parables.  God is love.  And while God's love for us is a higher love, consider the love between parent and child as well as husband and wife as examples of that love, as there are similarities in both.\n\nIf you are a man, would you defend yourself, knowing that if you do not you will die and leave your wife and children without you?  Would you defend them, if necessary?  Of course you would, if you love them.\n\nSometimes in love, it becomes necessary to be "violent", in other words, defend yourself.  I'm not talking about initiating violence, but sometimes you must defend what you love.  God is okay with this, just read the history of the Jews.\n\nAs a Christian, I must look first to God to see if this is within His will, and the better I know Him, the quicker the answer lol.