I am a tax preparer. The IRS insists people pay taxes. They even want illegal income claimed. Ok cool it brought down Capone. Then you got the foreign people here legally or not. They even provide a way for illegal or with visas without a SSN# to file taxes. They get a Tax ID# once they fill out a W7. But, THE BIG BUT, they are still liable for Social Security Taxes as well as Medicare taxes. Yet they are unable to claim benefits at 65. I am an 8th generation red blooded American who believes in justice and the fairness of government and law. But I find it outrageous. Is this the way the Gov wants to shore up the stumbling SS trust fund? As I was typing this I thought to my self  “so if they finish the process and do acquire a SSN# perhaps they get the  amount credited to them when they age.” So where does the unaccounted money go? Blackopps?
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No.  I will never see my social security money, but what do you expect from a seventy year old ponzie scheme
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As far as taxes, it mostly depends on the employer.  Obviously, most employers retain payroll taxes and send them directly to the government.  The only difference in using a fake SS number is that the worker will never get to claim the social security benefits that he paid.  And someone who doesn't file a tax return simply won't get his refund.  Sen. McCain on the Senate floor today (5/18/06) estimated that illegal workers pay about $8 billion/year in taxes.\n\nAs far as "under the table" jobs where the employer doesn't do payroll taxes properly, Americans who do those jobs also tend not to pay taxes on the money either.  So it's more about the employers and the jobs than about immigrants.
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I think you have been misinformed, All you should have to submit is your past three years tax statements along with an affidavit of support showing that you earned enough money to support yourself and your family, Immigration goes by the poverty guidlines for the amount of people in your family and the poverty guidline is pretty low. I think you need to go back to the Department of Immigration web site and do a little more reading on the subject or call the immigration service center and ask for help.
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why would they care they get everything else free! havent Americans sat down and did a little look at ur own pay checks here. ex. a person making 15.00 buck a hr. at 40 hrs a week. equals $600 gross. u would bring home about low 400's to mid 400's if ur lucky depending on what u have to take out. that means really u only make about a little over 10 bucks a hr. if that and some pay checks are less then 400 after everything is taking out. so illegal making 5 bucks hr equals 200. and nothing comes out so that there whole check. so think about this here. they really have more money then Americans do so why would they care if they get paid low wages. there making a kill-in. they get everything else handed to them by us wonderful tax payers.
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Well it is a small percentage of these people that get paid cash. They use forged social security cards and then get a check and get taxes and social security taken out and they never see any of that. As for property taxes, they do pay since i know personally people that do not have a green card that own houses and pay property tax so don't believe those people who generalize and do not know the facts to say illegals don't pay taxes.\nHow about all those American born people that get paid under the table and don't report that income? Is just an argument xenophobes use against immigrants.
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ILLEGALS PAY TAXES and this is why there are so many.  It is impossible to become legal....it is called oppression in my book.  To become legal at least for the Mexicans.....They have to apply and wait at least 15 years for a denial or acceptance.  Lets use an analogy..  My child graduated high school at 18 years old....then has to wait 15 years to be gainfully employed....that means he will be 33 years old before he is able to become employed....what sense does that make....in the meantime what does he do to support himself?  Here are my thoughts on why this situation is as it is and will continue to stay as so:\n\nI don't wish to offend you but I do wish to inform you..... There is no TAX Free money in regards to the majority of the illegals.... unless they work in cash paying jobs ... like construction for example... Lots of people hide in the construction business for that very reason..... illegals are just working in construction. We have American dead beat dads who work in it too so they get easy money under the table as we call it so as not to pay child support. Most industries pay with payroll checks. If an illegal works in an industry that does pay with payroll checks then the appropriate federal and state taxes are removed. I recently did a spot check on payroll checks from the main industry in my town from 4 different illegal pay stubs..... 2 from poultry and 2 from restaurants. I did an estimate based on those 4 pay stubs in regards to the shifts worked at each one of those industries. I had an estimate of State taxes paid in to my state of $64,000.00. I did not figure up the Federal Taxes but you best believe that they have been raking it in also. Please keep in mind that the county that I live in is not ranked among the largest in my state. I would love to be able to do a State wide survey, but the problem is getting people to trust you not to use their information against them. You may be surprised to also be informed that at least 2 of these people had health insurance for which they paid for & utilized, they also had an additional voluntary $5.00 taken out each week as a donation for United Way Fund. I did no guesstimates on those donations, but just these 2 people alone donate a solid figure of $520.00 @ year which has to be noted as community service. IT WAS A REAL EYE OPENER TO ME. Please understand that the illegal does not file federal income taxes.... he does fall in a low income category and would be eligible to receive most of his tax money paid in as refunds... now do you really think that our government wants to make them legal so they have to give that money back ..... NO, of course not. The fence is going to be a joke. Who cares build the fence. The American public has clamored that they wish for this atrocity to be built. Then once all those billions of dollars are sunk into the building of this shameful wall......there will be no money for mass deportations...You seed this is why the government is building this wall... We all know that it will not serve the purpose for which it is built....They didn't even build a levy that could protect New Orleans..... the illegals crossing are just as unpredictable.....Build the fence so they will be able to say later well we don't have the money now for deportations.......Also you will see discounts on ladders on the other side of the border. You just need a ladder to safely scale the wall without a scratch. .THE POLITICIANS DO NOT WANT TO SEND THE ILLEGAL BACK
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Yes, they are waiting but I don't know if you could call it an amnesty.\n\nWhat they want is an OPPORTUNITY to become legal, this will grant them freedoms they don't have right now (ie. traveling, have a drivers license -in some states-, be able to have a bank account, apply for credit / loans, etc.).\n\nIllegal aliens do pay taxes, Real Taxes (house) Property taxes (vehicles), sales taxes. Most pay income tax, just as most Americans do.\n\nNow, some of them have an ITIN card, is an IRS card for tax purposes ONLY. Others choose to have a invented SS # and their employers take the same withdraws they would take from any other worker.\n\nSo most of them are already paying taxes.  I can't say there aren't some that get paid cash, but again all of them you see at stores, building roads, etc. receive a W2 or a 1099-MISC which have to file for their tax refund. The downside for them is that the withhelds to SS and Medicare will never be applied to their names, making a surplus on funds in the billions of dollars that nobody is talking about.\n\nTo finish, regardless of your status or citizenship:\n\nWill you pay taxes or a higher tax to be able to live without fear, will all the freedoms that the USA offers? \n\nThey would.
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Mexican foreign nationals who work in this country ARE paying for Social Security and other "taxes".  The American employers who criminally invite and hire undocumented foreign nationals withhold those taxes and Social Security from their pay and keep it for themselves.
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see about becoming illegal and start getting paid under the table. i don't see any other ways your going to get away with out paying SS
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FINALLY, a legitimate question.  And the fact is they DON'T.  Social programs have been cut, to the bone.  And they are closely monitored and tracked by sister agencies, such as the IRS.  \n\nI am an American and due to a disabling illness I was forced to use some of these agencies.  The paperwork and proof that they needed was astounding.  From college loans to food stamps.  If you are not who you say you are, live where you say you live, pay utility bills where you live and make an income of well below poverty you will NOT get assistance.  I don't give a flip who you are or where you came from or how poor you are.  At the time my income was $7000 a year and I qualified for $64 a month in food stamps.  \n\nI am a white, middle age, single head of household female.  I have worked and paid taxes since I was 14 years old.  I am also an honorably discharged veteran.  Everywhere I looked for assistance I found the agencies to be woefully inadequate.  As did many other veterans suffering from debilitating injuries caused by WAR.  \n\nSo for anyone to say that there are are all these wasteful programs, goods and services going to illegal immigrants, they just don't know.  If they ever get sick, as I did, and have to turn to the government for assistance, they may see just how asinine their claims have been.  \n\nWhere they get this information is not hard to figure out.  What is mind boggling is the masses that believe this crap.  \n\nWe pay taxes so that society can function smoothly.  And once we pay them they are not "ours" any more than our food money is ours once we spend it at the store.  The hysteria over "my tax dollars" was nothing more than a smoke screen.Now, guess who is really getting BIG financing from tax revenues and what is their real agenda?  \n\nPlease vote.\n\nPeace.
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Your story is inconsistent with normal operation for tax collectors.  You should provide more detail as to who is doing all of this stuff.  It is not at all uncommon for tax examiners to question if a child being used to qualify for Earned Income Credit lives with the taxpayer and to require some proof of that if there seems to be a question.  If children are removed from the taxpayers home by a social service agency that has nothing to do with the "tax collector".
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There is definitely a need for control.  If the person is not a registered citizen, do they pay taxes, darn it, I have to pay.  \nfinger-printed is a necessity to those entering.\nThe job markedt % of unemployment would state a more true factor\nOk, thats enough for now, smile
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This whole issue makes no sense to me.\n\nNow my info is based on my dealings with the construction world, which as you know employs alot of immigrants from south of the border. Now I'm not naive and I know a good many of these so called *legal* immigrants use fake socials and names to get jobs and are in actuality illegal immigrants. Our government is not stupid either but you don't see anybody going to major construction sites and doing immigration status checks now do you? Shutting down major construction projects is not going to win anybody in government very many votes now is it?\n\nIts all politics people. If its currently popular to harass immigrants the government will do so, if its not they turn a blind eye to the issue. Whatever it takes to get themselves re-elected.\n\nNow as to why this is viewed as a huge problem, I just don't see it. \n\nFirst of all the *undermining the economy* statements I see.\n\nEven the truly illegal immigrants pay taxes on the food they eat, they purchase items and pay sales tax, they pay rent, buy gasoline and cigs with high taxes on them, pay utilities, pay tolls, pay insurance, buy automobiles and in cases where they use fake IDs and socials, pay all the applicable payroll related taxes. (and in most cases overpay, you don't think they file returns at the end of the year do you?)\n\nSecondly *they work for extra low wages* The people I know in construction pay industry standard or better wages for their immigrant workers. If anything I hear complaints about how much they have to shell out, usually followed by statements praising the quality of work they get in return.\n\nThirdly *they are taking jobs from hardworking Americans* Honestly, no they aren't. The work they do in construction, while requiring some skill, is mostly back-breaking hard labor. This type of job is considered *beneath* the majority of Americans and lets face it, selling drugs is much easier and while you might be risking a stint of 3 hots and a cot atleast you won't be breaking a sweat! \n\nFourthly, they work, that's more then I can say for some Americans I know. They don't get food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, medicare, social security, or unemployment, they can't, in most cases, afford to have the government look that closely at their status so they get up every morning and go to work!\n\nFifthly, have any of you looked at what it takes to get a green card? Its not a matter of filling out a few forms. There are 3 ways to become a legal immigrant. Sponsorship by an employer, who must prove he/she can't hire anybody else for the job (and even if its true, most employers can't be bothered by all the paperwork) this method also requires the immigrant to hire a lawyer, takes about a year and reams of paperwork (hence the need for a lawyer). Secondly the lottery....yes our government holds a lottery for immigrants who have the equivalent of a HS education to *win* legal status. They give away 50,000 green cards a year to around 8 million lottery applicants. If you don't believe me look up Green Card Lottery. Funny position for a government who currently wants to crack down on illegal immigrants to take don't you think? Enter our lottery and win a chance to live in America! I'm sorry but that seems just alittle cheesy to me. And thirdly marriage to a US citizen. Its just not as simple as people seem to think.\n\nNow I know that there are probally sweat shops employing immigrants at below minimum wage but again which one of you would want that job anyway? Heck, most of the people that I know would rather starve then work at a McDonalds, much less a sweat shop. Besides, if companies want to produce items at  sweat shop wages all they have to do is relocate their factories outside the US...no wait, umm, they are already doing that so again what is the problem?\n\nI'd much rather keep the money here wouldn't you? And as far as the premise that they send money hom
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Actually you wouldn't ask for social security benefits in the fathers name cause if he never worked he never paid anything into the account.\n\nSome people think the government has all this social security money just sitting there waiting to be asked for.  That money was put there by the American tax payer for his/her own retirement.  \n\nIt originally was intended for the American worker to have funds taken from his pay check each week to be put in the social security account, so that when he/she was to old to work, they could retire and receive a few hundred bucks a month (could be compared to a savings account, which our government appears to be giving away to others who haven't put a dime in).  It doesn't even include medical, needless to say it in itself isn't enough money to live on.  \n\nSo contrary to what the govenment says, retirees still have to work after retirement to make ends meet UNLESS they also have put money in a personal retirement account.  Trust me there isn't going to be 70 million Americans retiring from work in the next few years, it just isn't financially possible.\n\nI have a family member who thought she could retire at 63 years old after working as a nurse for 20 years.  Her health is bad so she quit her job after filing for Social Security benefits, she got the benefits but doesn't qualify for medicare until she reaches 66.  So she had to go back to work even though she's physically not able.  Yet they'll give it to those who've never worked in the US, such as new people in the country, children and babies?  \n\nSome Americans that have worked still don't qualify for it cause they didn't work long enough, they haven't earned enough points.  If I remember correctly you need something like 40 points.  Working about 10 years while paying social security taxes usually qualifies the person.  To many people in this country only pay sales & property tax, while collecting social security, medicaid and other benefits, thus the pot is about empty.\n\nIf you're illegally in the US you can get all the benefits, SSI,  HUD, medicaid, WIC.  If you're a white American, you may be out of luck, our government discriminates against white folks.  However your baby can get WIC, food stamps and Medicaid.  You can find all these in the phone book.
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Illegal immigrants do not pay taxes!  Most work for cash under the table but those that do get a check and USE a social security number fill out their W-2s with so many dependents(whether they exist or not) that very little or no taxes are taken out of their checks.
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Um, you need to work to collect social security.  You need, like, forty quarters of work.  That's at least ten years.  i don't think the story you "heard" is at all accurate.  Without some sort of verifiable facts, I would ignore this particular anecdote.
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Hey, I just realized... this is the third question of your that Ive answered. Watch out, your on my radar now!! :)\n\nWhere can I get one of these "illegal immigrant tax numbers"? I already have a SS, as well as an EIN, but I could REALLY use an IRS issued Illegals-ID number!! New credit here I come!!