The people who are executed under the death penalty have had the chance to speak up for themselves.  Innocent pre-born children do not have the ability to do so.  There is not a single unselfish reason to have an abortion.\n\nI do not think abortion should be illegal when it is necessary to save the mothers life, but even that is usually a question of self service or self sacrifice.\n\nThis is both a moral (on the part of the mother) and ethical (on the part of medical proffessionals) issue.
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Most so called Proponents of Abortion will say, "I believe its a woman's right, but I would never do it."  I don't think anyone deep down can say they truly believe abortion is moral.  We live in an immoral world where the accused have more rights than the innocent victims.\n\nAbortion is a multimillion dollar industry.  The doctors are paid a bundle to get rid of a "problem" and the embryo is sold for stem cell research, when there are other more humane resources for research.\n\nThey also are now either currently or about to start creating embryo's to use in stem cell research.  Creating life to kill and salvage for medical advancement.  \n\nWe live in a sick society.
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Blingme - Her question was stated correctly. She is essentially trying to determine why states allow abortion if it is illegal to kill a human being. And if a state charges a murderer with two murders for murdering a pregnant woman, what is the exact definition of life. \n\n1) Either a baby is alive and the two murders is correct. In this case, abortion should be illegal; or,\n\n2) A baby is not alive and only one murder should be charged. In this case, abortion would be okay.\n\nShe is pointing out a convenient catch-22 in the abortion debate.\n\nEDIT: bree123 - I do not believe she is calling out the hypocrisy of the double homicide law. She is calling out the hypocrisy of abortion.\n\nAnd citing the ACLU does NOT make me put a lot of trust in your judgment. It is a little like me citing all the evidence the National Right to Life cites proving that life starts at conception. You aren't going to buy that. Any evidence cited should be from a) a disinterested party, or b) a source that gives BOTH sides of the argument - like my initial assessment of her statement above.\n\nSource(s): Debate 101.
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I think abortion is bad! It is a terrible and cruel thing to do, i don't know how some people have the heart to do that! I would never be able to do that to a poor tiny baby who did nothing wrong! \n\nThe only time i feel abortion is okay is like you have said when there is rape.  Then i can understand and it must take real guts to get rid of a baby.  That must be difficult and i sympathise for the people who have to go through with that.  \n\nThe government should make it illegal to have an abortion under certain circumstances.
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AMEN!!!! Abortion is killing. Most people aren't aware that the little heart the female is carrying starts beating 23 days after conception. Yes 23 DAYS!!! It is murder. Adoption should be mandatory and be made law for those mothers who feel they can't care for the child they conceived. It is far more responsible to give the child a chance of life then to kill it because they couldn't keep their zippers done up.
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Go, mom.\n\nOkay, I will not dip too deep into this because this subject is, well, one I am passionate about.\n\nMurder is murder. I don't care if the government say that you can kill a baby, that you have the right; you don't. Women have a right to THEIR bodies, yes, but after a baby is concieved, it is a seperate entity, a seperate person;human being. It is connect to, BUT no longer HER body.  Okay, What happens when you kill an adult, or, you know, let's say six of them? You will most likely get the death penalty. Why? Because you have no right, or 'decision' to make about someone else's body or life. Oh, and you want to know how law-proven guilty criminals that get death row die?...a lot more peacefully and a lot less gruesome and more human than an innocent baby that is aborted dies.\n\nI'm not an activist, but I'm sick of it. I'm sick of people supporting murder. People that cannot live up to their responsibilities of having sex, should NOT have it. I hear you on the birth control method. My mother had always told me about a roommate she used to have in college. She had several abortions, and used it as birth control. Well God (or nature, whatever you believe, or don't believe) Stepped in, and when she settled down from the college years, and got married, she was not able to have children anymore. It is wrong. If you cannot live up to your responsibilities, or not be safe and responsible, or are promiscuous it's not the baby's fault. Why should the baby have to die for your sins, your mistakes. It's believed that everyone is born with sin, but not even giving them a chance to have a life of their own is selfish. You are taking a life, and that is not right, or your place to decide.\n\nI have been through the issue with a rape. If I hadn't of had a miscarriage, I would have given the poor thing up for adoption, at least. And I was 15 at this time, a very scared, abused girl, but...killing it never once crossed my mind; I do not condone that at ALL.... and that experience messed me up very badly, to this day.  That is a terrible spot to be in, you didn't ask for it, it's not your fault, but it's not the baby's either. I mean, I won't lie, I felt terrible for what had happened (worthlessness, guilt, filth, self-pity, all the emotional baggage that came with it) but I would have felt so much more if I would have taken that life away, for nothing more than my selfishness.\n\nThere are plenty of barren, sterile couples, or just loving couples that would LOVE to have a baby, but cannot conieve that would take unwanted babies'. If it is women's right to kill their children, then why do people go to jail for it after they are outside of their womb? Hmm, it's the SAME THING. If the government says that is is their RIGHT to murder that is fu cked. What about that child's RIGHT to live, to have a life, even if it is sent to a different family. People are irresponsible and selfish. fu ck them.\n\nOh, and a smaller dip into the  the whole "they they're not babies until.. blah, blah." ,It still is a human being, no matter how small. It takes shape after a while, fingers, toes, fingernails form early on....etc. They develop faster than lawmakers gave credit... If a person other than the mother assaults a mother, and the baby dies, it is murder, if the mother decides to kill it, it's her right?\n\nThat's not right.\n\nEither be responsible, live up to your responsibilities, give it up, or just be humane.\n\n\nOOOH, \n\nAnd I can't go on anymore. I tried to sum it up for you. I can't go futher, or I will rewrite it in more detail and right a freaking book, right here and now...
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that is because people dont think that baby should have the right to live cuz they cant speak their opion and we cant see them so its not lilke there even there so wat does the mother care.. because she might be too igornant to the bible and have sex before marrige and not want the child so here is the way out... but the death penalty those ppl can speak there opion so they can get out of death cuz we can see them and see their "sorrow" or watever-----------this world is messed up
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I should make it clear that this answer doesn't represent my own opinions on the subject, but only represent the (possible) logic behind this view.\n\nYour question essentially asks how someone can justify abortion, and yet be against the death penalty.\n\nThe answer is that, unlike you, they do not equate abortion with murder.  There can be several reasons for this.  First off, they may not consider a fetus to be a person.  Many people hold this view, and there is much debate about at what point an unborn child can be considered a person.  The only line absolutley defined from a legal point of view is that once a child is actually born, it is a person.  Before this, there is a legal gray area, and thus a lot of debate and disagreement.  Someone who does not believe a fetus is a person would have no problem reconciling being for abortion and against the death penalty.\n\nAnother possibility is that the person supports abortion only in certain cases, for example, when the mother's life is at risk, or other special cases.  By this logic, putting a criminal behind bars (but not executing them) is potentially protecting a life, and so is allowing abortion in these cases.\n\nThat may not cover everything, but I think it gives some very realistic reasons why someone could be against the death penalty, and still support abortion.
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I TOTALLY agree! How do ppl think that this should be allowed???? Murder is outlawed... This is MURDER! Isn't it? I mean they ain't killin' them they're murdering them BIG difference! Killing: is ok cuz they did somethin wrong; killing is justice Murdering: is bad cuz it's ending an innocent life!\n\nI don't care if the mom can't take care of it! Hmm... Have they ever heard the word adoption?
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No one has the right to make a "choice" that kills another innocent human being.  It's amazing how completely ignorant most pro-aborts seem to be when it comes to prenatal development and pain perception:  \n\nhttp://www.advocatesfortheinnocent.com/fetalpain.html\nhttp://www.justthefacts.org/clar.asp\nhttp://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-2-prenatal.html\nhttp://www.studentsforlife.uct.ac.za/foetal%20dev%20photos.html\nhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/3847319.stm\nhttp://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/11weeks.htm\nhttp://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/pictures.html\nhttp://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-video.html\n\nThe average age of an aborted baby in America is 10 weeks.  By that point, the child is fully formed and can even suck her thumb.  If her palm is pricked, she will pull her hand away and open her mouth.  In an ultrasound video of an abortion at 11 weeks, the child can be seen struggling violently to escape the suction instrument, while her heartrate doubles and she opens her mouth wide.  Unfeeling, unaware, and unformed?  Hardly!  However--even if the child was unaware and not fully developed, it would still be wrong to kill her.  Shooting a premature infant in her sleep is no less murderous than strangling a full-grown adult while he is awake.\n\nSince when does being "unwanted" make people less worthy to live than everyone else?  Should we kill homeless people and elderly people who are "unwanted," too?  Let's be honest, too--there is no such thing as an "unwanted" baby in the U.S. There are two million couples waiting to adopt right now, including couples who want to adopt children with health problems such as HIV, Down Syndrome, and spina bifida.  \n\nNewborn babies cannot survive without their mothers, either.  Left alone, they will die.  They are completely dependent.  Does that mean it's okay to kill them, too?\n\nWhere is the compassion?  Where is the logic?  Pro-aborts are completely twisted, yes.
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I am voting NO on it.  This is not a pro-life or pro-choice issue necessarilly...  Over 60% of minors tell one or both parents when they have an abortion, as it is.  If a parent is close with their child, and has an honest, open, loving relationship with them, there is no reason why the child shouldn't and wouldn't come to the parent with their dillema.  For the girls that choose not to tell their parents, they have their reasons, and a lot of them are very good reasons.  If this prop were passed, it would put minors in abusive homes or hostile environments at risk.  If a girl has to notify her parent of the abortion, this parent could go into hysterics and lash out in physical and verbal abuse.  She may be kicked out of her home.  If the unborn child is a product of familial incest, this is certainly not a case where a girl should have to notify her parents of the pregnancy and abortion- she's been through enough, and it could cause a whole new host of problems for her.  Also, some parents may threaten and/or literally drag their daughters out of the abortion clinic when it came time for the procedure.  Even though this prop doesn't say "consent" only notification, it is still implied consent in a way, because if the parent knew, he or she could feasibly forbid their daughter to have the abortion.  \n\nThis prop infringes on a young woman's right to privacy and right to choose.  It is one step in the slippery slope towards getting abortion outlawed, which I personally believe is wrong.  Women should retain autonomy over their own bodies.  I am not pro-abortion, but I am pro-choice.  \n\nThere is no epidemic of increasing numbers of teens getting abortions.  There are no teens dying of legal abortions.  Why do we need the notification?  Regardless of the fact that she's a minor, it is still HER body, and a baby that will be HER responsibility for the next 18 years- not her parents.  \n\nThe most important reason to vote no on this proposition is for the vulnerable young girls in our society who have difficult home lives and dysfunctional parents...it is often girls of this background who get pregnant young, and it is those we need to protect from more devestation in their lives.  \n\nHappy voting~whatever you choose!  :)
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The only thing wrong about unnatural death is when it is premeditated murder/suicide... I believe that abortion (unless it is for the mother's life) is murder.  Capital punishment is one thing I haven't gotten my head around yet.  I can't decide.  I lean toward the fact that only God can judge, but I also understand the plea of the victims.
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Here are my thoughts. Abortion is a great thing. There are a lot of young people who get pregnant (for whatever reason) and they should not have a baby. They are either too young, or don't have the money, or don't the the stability to be a good parent for tehir would-be-child. It would be better off for the mother to have an abortion in order to save her from ruining her life than it would for her to have the child and ruin both lives? I do not believe it is murder. When you become pregnant you have a fetus inside you which a lump of cells that are growing. That is why it is called a fetus and not a baby. \n\nI posted a question you might be interested in...http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ak5wtwSGer6KbOR7E5Azqsrsy6IX?qid=20061105134759AAqPvKb
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It goes both ways. Extremists on both sides are wrapping the issue up with other issues. For example, people who are pro life are often also in favor of women being subservient, staying home, being married, making less money and stuff like that.  And pro choicers often refer to abortion as a reproductive right without considering the life of the child a right.  This is just another example of how extremist views are flawed.  The truth is in the middle.  Address the reasons for abortion, increase womens rights, access, equality, etc. and then only make abortion illegal without attaching any other bills to it.  It might work.
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This is an interesting point because pro-abortion people always ingore the fact that a newborn can't survive on it's own either.\n\nIt's not about a woman's rights, it's about killing babies. That's it. Some people would rather rip a babies body apart with a suction tube than take a birth control pill.\n\n(now watch, some lib will post something about rape and insest as though more than just a few abortions are as a result of rape and insest)
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this is all philisophical, so there really isn't a "right" answer.  I don't agree with abortion in any case, but if I was to excuse any reasons it would be only two.  One would be rape, child or adult, because the woman couldn't prevent that.  Two, is in the circumstance of placeing the mother in mortal danger of carrying the child.
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This is the sick reality of the world we live in ...everyone is all for abortion but opposes the death penalty...It is so wrong to kill someone who has brutaly taken the life of someone else, but it is perfectly acceptable to kill an innocent unborn baby...The horrible tradgedy is not that 5 beautiful innocent children lost their lives at their mothers hand, but that this woman was sitting in prison having to live with her actions and blaming it on depression....Quite frankly, they should have drown her in a bath tub as she did to her innocent children...I know that it is wrong of me to think this way, God forgive me ...
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Yes, I feel it is perfectly ethical. You are desposing of a parasite that can't survive outside the womb. Without an abortion, it is adding another unwanted child to this already overpopulated world.