I was wondering as I was reading in Matthew 10:16-25. *Will* Christians go through the seven year tribulation? It seems to me that if God the Father did not spare his own Son from the cross, and the disciples were not spared the sufferings they went through for their faith in Jesus, then why should we, as Christians who also love the Lord, expect to be exempted from suffering in the last days before we are called up into our home in heaven, taking into consideration that the last days happens in our lifetime.\n\nThe bible talks about Christians suffering for their faith in Christ, and if you think about it, there are *many* Christians in other countries such as China (where Christianity and the bible are prohibited) who are suffering horrors we can only *hope* that we will not have to endure; things like persecutions, beatings, all other types of torture, and even death.\n\nPlease keep in mind that I am no bible scholar or theologian, so no know-it-alls with puffed up pride. Thank you.
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Based on the Scriptures below, I believe that the church of God (1 Cor.10:32 below - the saints of the most High, Dan.7:25 below), will face the tribulation under the beasts of Revelation chapter 13.\n\nThe "tribulation" will occur between the Sixth SEAL (Re.6:12-17) and the Seventh TRUMPET (1 Thess.4:16-17)..\n\nThe Seventh Trumpet (which many refer to as "the Rapture") will occur at the conclusion of the “tribulation”.\n\n\n1 Cor.10:32Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:\n\nMatt.24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.\n\nDan. 7:21I beheld, and the same (little) horn (king) MADE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and prevailed against them (Dan.7:25 below);  \n\nDan.7:25And he (the little horn/king - Dan.7:8, Dan.7:24) shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High (Re.15:3), and think to change times and laws (Re.13:15, Dan.11:31): and they (the saints) shall be given into his hand until A TIME and TIMES and THE DIVIDING OF TIME (3 ½ years/1260 days) .\n \nDan.8:24And his (the king's - Dan.8:23, little horn's - Dan.8:9, Dan.7:24) power shall be mighty, but not by his own power (but Satan’s - Re.13:11-12): and he shall destroy wonderfully (Re.13:15), and shall prosper, and practice, and SHALL DESTROY THE MIGHTY AND THE HOLY PEOPLE (Dan.12:7 below, Col.1:22, Eph.1:4). \n\nRe.12:17And the DRAGON (Re.12:9, Re.20:2)  was wroth with the woman (the church of God - 1 Cor.10:32, Col.1:22, Col.1:24), and WENT TO MAKE WAR WITH THE REMNANT (the rest) OF HER SEED, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. \n \nRe.13:7And it was given unto him (the beast of Re. 13:1) TO MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, AND TO OVERCOME THEM: and (Satanic) power was given him (Re.13:2) over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and nations (Dan.7:23, Re.17:15).\n\nRe.13:15 And he (another beast coming up out of the earth, Re.13:11) had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as WOULD NOT WORSHIP the IMAGE of the beast SHOULD BE KILLED .\n \nRe.16:6For they (those who had the mark of the beast, and those who worshipped his image) have shed the blood of SAINTS and PROPHETS, and thou hast given them blood to drink (Re.16:4); for they are worthy.  (of this punishment)\n\nRe.17:6And I saw the woman (that great city Babylon - Re.17:5) drunken with the blood of the SAINTS (Dan.7:21, Re.13:7, Re.13:15, Re.11:7), and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (Re.18:24): and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. \n\nDan.12:6-7And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the END of these wonders?\n\nAnd I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for A TIME, TIMES, AND AN HALF (3 ½ years or 1260 days); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people (Dan.8:24, Re.11:3, Re.11:7), all these things shall be FINISHED (Re.10:7).\n\n\n\nPat  (ndbpsa ©)
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Interesting scripure. But I'm also interested in this: the term 'last days' has been mentioned, and keeping in mind two things: the lord's overwhelming power to stretch and shrink time, combined with the fact that the last 2000 years there have been scoffers like mentioned above, when exactly will these 'days' end? This could take thousands of years, or be in a minute. But in that very minute a 'scoffer' *could* convert to the true faith, so if the lord is truly patient, he'd wait that minute too, or those thousands years, else it wouldn't be fair, I'd say.\n\nAnd tell me this: I am no scoffer, but in your eyes I'd probably be. But which of my desires are actually evil? My strongest desires are that people all over the world be stopped by blind judging other people, that people actually think before they act, that they take other people in mind when they take decisions that might effect them, in short that they respect other people and let them be. Another desire of mine is that helping people develop themselves, seek out their potentials, and enhance them, that they enjoy living in this beautiful world, and teach other people to enjoy too.\n\nBut since I don't need Jesus to actually do this, I am truly an ungodly man and I shall be destroyed by your lord.\n\nIf I'm to be judged by someone who doesn't look at my actions or my desires behind them, but at my lack of faith, and still wants to destroy me, please, let him do his thing, for I have nothing to be ashamed of and I rather live in hell knowing I have done right, than living in heaven for being a hypocrite.
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well its funny you ask that question . im reading that left behind book and when the rapture comes there will be a great cry over thee horizon and the christians that are left behind cant do nothing but continue to endure this worldly pain but stand at thee same time cause god will come back for his people. remember none of us are worthy of his love we all have sinned now its the time to behold the lamb and call on grace cause thats the only thing that can save us,cause it will rain.
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During the millennium, those who survived the tribulation (Christians) will give birth to children. These children are not automatically saved, they will have to make the same decision their parents did during the tribulation: Accept Jesus Christ as your Savior? The sacrifices will be reinstituted to be a picture of Jesus's sacrifice that had occured millennia ago. This is because the Age of Grace ended with the Rapture and subsequent tribulation. \n\nThis is much like the Old Testament sacrifices, except those pictured the sacrifice that had yet to come (Christ's crucifiction.)\n\nAt the end of the Millennium, Satan will be released again for a brief time from the bottomless pit. Once again he will amass an army, from those children who, despite having grown up under a perfect Government (Christ) will choose to reject Him and join satan. This will be satan's last rebellion, and he and his army will be killed by fire and cast into the Lake of Fire for all of eternity. This will conclude human history and usher in Eternity.
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Some previous posters were saying that we send ourselves to hell.  That is insane.  If god creates the system and then offers us a choice - either worship him or go to hell, it's not a "loving" choice.  That's similar to an evil person offering the choice:  1. worship me and I'll give you drugs that will make you feel great or 2. I'll torture you.  \n\nWhat loving god would want to torture anything?!?  Why create a hell in the first place?  Why have everlasting torture for a short period of disobedience?  \n\nYou don't have to beat children for hours because they are disrespectful.  You can do time-out and explain why it was wrong.  You hug your children and try to not them suffer when they get sick.  The xian god does the opposite according to the bible.
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That is an often-asked question, and a fair one.  The distinction that needs to be made is that God is not somehow uncaring about suffering.\n\nSuffering comes from the original sin.  Sort of a snowball effect.  It began with the fall of man in the garden of Eden, and has gathered speed throughout thousands of years.  Illness, sorrow, death; all sin, are fallout from sin entering the world.\n\nThere will come a time when these things will be no more; when Jesus comes to rule and reign on earth.  Until He does, as He told us "you will have tribulation on this earth"..meaning, we will suffer.\n\nGod cares about us and our hurts, that is why, first and foremost He sent His son to redeem us...and it is also why we have God's spirit to comfort us, in all circumstances.
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Not that I'm holier then thou, but I have to say I'm very saddened to see these sorts of responses, limiting ourselves to close family and friends and children.  We are to have the agape love (unconditional for all men, woman, and children) the Jesus had for us.  There are plenty of Christians who would die for you on your worst day through the grace of God.  God's love in us, his spirit in us, gives us the will and the power to do such things.  Would I die for anyone, it would be a pleasure.  What greater gift can we be given then to die a death likened to that of Jesus, who died for every stranger, loner, king, priest, president, homeless sojourner, naughty boy, nasty girl, spiteful Willy, and doubting Thomas.  His enemies especially, while we were yet sinners he died for us. \n\nSo, If we are to be like Christ, we too should be willing, through the grace imparted to us from God, to die for anyone.\n\n                                          Agape   Love\n\n\nGod Bless You,
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Dear Ryefleit, This is an honest question with an honest answer. The Bible makes clear that there is a heaven and Hell. The Bible say's God is a Judge who will sit on his throne and judge our sins. he has revealed this fact to us through his Holy word. How will you do on Judgement day?\n \nLet me ask you a few questions.................\n\nHave you ever lied (even once--fibs, white lies, etc.)? Ever stolen (anything--the value is irrelevant)? Jesus said, "Whoever looks upon a woman to lust after her, has committed adultery already with her in his heart." Have you ever looked with lust? If you have said "Yes" to these three questions, by your own admission, you are a lying, thieving, adulterer at heart; and we’ve only looked at three of the Ten Commandments. Nothing you’ve ever done is hid from His holy eyes. Will you be innocent or guilty on the Day of Judgment? Listen to your conscience. You know that you will be guilty, and therefore end up in Hell. That’s not God’s will. He provided a way for you and I to be forgiven. \nHe sent His Son to take our punishment: "God commended His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." He was bruised for our iniquities. Jesus then rose from the dead and defeated death. \nYour own so-called “goodness” can’t get you into heaven any more than mine could.  Jesus is the only way to Heaven. He is the "Door," the only "mediator." There is salvation in no other name, so pray something like this: "Dear God, I repent of all of my sins (confess them). This day I put my trust in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Please forgive me and grant me your gift of everlasting life. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen."
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I think that maybe God is saving that level of healing or miracle for a time right before the tribulation, as a last sign of His power.\n\nMany people have wondered about this subject, even those with the gift of healing, but I do not know of any one receiving an answer.
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You are being judgemental and harsh about Christains when you say that.  You are judging all Christians because of a few, who you don't even know are real Christians, or who may not fully understand Christianity yet.\n\nNeed a nice Christian answer that's biblical?  Plenty of us can do that without being harsh, but sometimes the truth is harsh.  The Bible says on judement day that all those who are not saved will be cast into a lake of fire along with Satan.
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I don't know how you got those facts but i am not surprised, a lot of Christians are killed for their faith. Many especially those who live in countries dominated by Muslims and communist are continually persecuted until they change or die.\n\nJesus said it already in Matthew.24:9 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake."\n\nI think that is what we have been seeing over time. There is another scripture that says a time will come when someone who kills you will think he is doing God a favor.\n\nI hope i answered your question.
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Ha Ha  very funny NOT!!The end is getting closer and you do need to turn if you are not christians because God could tell Jesus''Go get them''And he would come the sinners would stay here for 7 years in the tribulation  and suffer .Read the Left Behind teen series and it will clear things up
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Is this what you're getting at?\n\nRomans 5:1-21\n\nTherefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4and perseverance, character; and character, hope. Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.\nFor when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.\nTherefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—(For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)\nTherefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.\nMoreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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I Agree,...To Answer Your Question...One Main Reason Is What Jesus Warned Christians About..."And Ye Shall Be Hated Of All Men For My Sake: But He That Endureth To The End Shall Be Saved" (Matt. 10: 22)....This Is Being Proven Over & Over Again!...This Is Why Christians Are The Most Hated Above All Other Religions.....So Expect Folks To CONDEMN ALL CHRISTIANS!!!....
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Others have already answered the question of Jesus DYING for us.   But there's another major piece you seem confused about.  You say:\n\n"He suppose to survive to help you clean all your sin, not to kill himself and runaway from helping you if he is a god."\n\nIt looks like you missed the END of the story.  \nIn the Apostles Creed (the simple summary of the Christian faith used by Christians around the world) we declare:\n\n"on the third day he rose again from the dead..."\n\nJesus did not die and disappear.  To FINISH the work he ROSE from the dead and was exalted to reign at God's right hand.   (And, by the way, it was NOT just that "his spirit went to heaven" as some say.  No, it was a BODILY resurrection.)   \n\nNow, reigning at God's right hand (until he returns for us), he represents us and gives us the the grace we need (Hebrews 4:14-16) to live new lives, no longer enslaved to sin.\n\nThis is not just some tack on.  It is at the CORE of the message.  Throughout Acts we read that the apostles went about preaching the RESURRECTION.  \n\nPaul summarizes it this way:\n\n"He was delivered up for our trespasses \nand raised to life for our justification [that is, our being accepted by God and declared RIGHTEOUS]"  (Romans 4:25)
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gosh it seems like a lot of people are pretty skeptical about what you are saying but i am in agreement with you.  now i am not very knowledgeable on endtimes prophecies but i would not be completely surprised if Jesus' second coming were to occur in this age.\n\nWith that said, it is not for us to predict or prepare for the exact date of Jesus' second coming but every day we should live as if it were the last.
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Ugggh, homework? It's summer soltice!  Give us a break!  \nI take issue with this article's assumptions, which are very general.  First the author makes the statement that Christianity's two prime articles of faith are "revelation and Crucifixion."  There are major divisions amongst Christianity itself on the person of Jesus Christ, the saving nature of his life, death, resurrection, teachings. And the question of whether or not he is the definitive and only saviour for all people of all times, is not universally agreed on by all Christians.  \nThe role of the Crucifixion is also not understood uniformly across the board by all Christians.  The question has long been asked and debated, "how is Jesus' death and crucifixion redemptive?" Is it? Redemption, atonement, sacrifice, are all traditional understandings, but theology has always had several understandings of and interpretations of soteriology, and Christology.\nInterestingly enough the earliest Christian art showed nothing of the crucifixion...\nBut I'm off the hook since your author inists that "no man" this and "no man" that...