Did they just go to hell?  Or did we create "God" before he created us?
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They were/are held by an older covenant.  Christ presented a new (simplified) covenant.\n\nJust because Christ hadn't died for the remission of their sins doesn't mean that God didn't take Enoch and Elijah personally; it doesn't mean that Moses and Joshua and David (or Rahab and Ruth et al, either) weren't favored by God.\n\nThere is also the suggestion (possibly later in the New Testament, I don't know where it is if it is; I've heard it repeatedly but it doesn't matter to my belief) that Christ ministered to the dead while he was dead thus giving them a chance to be saved by his new covenant.
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Here's what Jesus really save us from...\n\nHell\n\nWhy does Hell exist?\n\nThe place Hell is where God cast Lucifer and his legions after rebelling against Him. Lucifer was an archangel with, like others, a free will which he abused and assumed himself higher and mightier that God. Some other angels believe Lucifer, which made God angry so God casts all of these abomination to the place called Hell.\n\nWhy does wicked / unsaved souls leads to Hell?\n\nSince Lucifer or Satan has no power over God, he lured His creations with His likeness (human) to his realm by tricking us, first Adam and Eve, then down to us.\n\nHow can we be saved?\n\nThis is the very reason why the Son of God came to earth to save our soul and pay for our sins. For God loves us so much and He doesn't want any of us to go to such a place. In order to be saved, we should accept Jesus Christ as our Savior, and that we should accept His love and forgiveness, that he died for our sins. On the Judgment day, the Hell itself will be cast to the Lake of Fire, which will be the second death.\n\nWhere is the Hell?\n\nHell is located at the center of the earth. Which forms like a lying silhouette of a human, with head, torso and limb-like dwellings.\n\nHow is it like to be in Hell?\n\nFirst of all, as souls (you after death), we still have all the senses we used to have in our body, only much much keener. And since you're from earth, you even have the feeling that you have flesh (burning sensation, thirst, hunger), only that you wouldn't die the second time.\n\nWhen your soul is at Hell, you don't have strength at all to save yourself. \n\nDEMONS\nHell is full of demons which looks like a very deformed humanoid of up to 12-13 ft tall. Their limbs are like one is longer and the other one is shorter. Some have big heads, others are small. Some has longer torso, others have longer legs, and so on...\nDemons are ignorant, all they know is hatred to humankind (souls). Which resembles God's likeness. They are unimaginably strong. They don't have mercy, so whenever they see a soul, what they do best is to tear it apart in agony (senses are keener, remember?)\n\nStench\nThe stench in Hell is like all of the bad odors combined (rotten eggs or foods, decaying carcasses, feces, sulphur, etc.) multiplied by 1000. It is terrible, very very horrendous, and to think that our senses are much much keener. If a body went to Hell, it would've died. But no body can go there except for soul, which cannot die. The stench alone will make you long for death, but death will not come for you are already dead.\n\nDarkness and sounds\nHell has a very very pitch black surrounding. None can be seen on earth of such a dark place. There was a blackness that you couldn't even imagine. All you'll hear from hell is the sound of screaming, billions of people screaming in that place. A scream of anguish, torture, very loud ang penetrating. You can't get away from that screams, you'll have to endure it forever 'cause there's no way out from Hell. No hope, no salvation, non-ceasing.\n\nFear in Hell\nOn surroundings alone you'll feel fear, from the sound and smell and darkness. But Hell alone without what mentioned above can make you feel fear. It grips you. Its like seeing a very scary movie at its climax then take that and multiply it to a thousand and hold it there, that is how you stay all the time! This is another thing that you'll endure forever in Hell. For there's no escape.\n\nHeat\nThe heat was so intense, it could kill your body a mile away but you don't die in Hell. The fire in there is your only but terrible light. It's too hot but at the same time its too dim. Not enough to decrease the darkness around.\n\n\nThere's no rest, no hope, and all fear, eternal torture, and shame in Hell. Not even a fool would want to go there.\n\nREPENT! For your chance of not going there is to accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour while y
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This is an excellent question. If God created life and He is all powerful, why do people go to hell for disobeying his commands? Surely God would create us with a pre-ordained destiny if he is all powerful, hence no freedom of choice. Either God created us to go to hell or he is not all powerful, in which case he is not really God.\n\nAll our decisions are formed by our genetic code and past experiences, it is God who decides this. The laws of nature (including quantum mechanics) are controlled by God. In that sense there is no 'I'. \n\nTherefore, either God does not exist and free will does,\nor God exists and some people were destined from the dawn of time to disobey Him. Which leads us to conclude that if hell really does exist, then it is not the fault of the person but a fault of God that sent him there. He is chastising himself. This again invalidates the law of God being all powerful.\n\nIf freedom of choice does not exist, and God does, then judgement can not. If God doesn't hold judgement over his own creation, he can not be all powerful.\n\nWe must have free choice for God to exist. But God controls the life we have! Its a circular argument.\n\nDoes God not exist, then?\n\nHis ultimate wisdom allows us not to know the truth.
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Before God created the physical universe--none existed.  Only the Spiritual world--a different level of existence.  God has always existed and always will.  That is beyond our ability to truly comprehend.   However, if He could be so easily understood He would not be God.\n\nWhen people try to bring God down to a human level and put Him on par with the physical universe, you wind up with stupid cults like the Mormons.
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Angels were created 4 His pleasure. To worship Him and praise Him. They were here before we were.Satan it says in the Bible was the praise & worship leader of Gods heavenly choir. His angelic name was Lucifer.\n\n One day satan started to wonder why he wasn't considered an equal to our Creator. Then he started to question Gods authority over him and over the other angels and he began to rally them against God. One third of the angels he convinced to war against God. And the way satan became evil was a little sin called Pride. Through out all of this God never interfered.\n\n I think God was waiting for Lusifer to repent. God loves all his creations until He cant reach them anymore. He waited until satan & his followers came agaist Him ready to battle. Ofcourse God won and cast him down to the earth.\nAll of this occurred before man was created. \n\nI belive that the reason GoD gives us all free will,angels included, is because He is a good parent. I am a mother and I know that I have to let my children make mistakes so that they will, with my guidence, become the kind of adult that I can be proud of & welcome into my home forever. But when they choose not to be good, and I know that I cant reach them anymore, I will cast them out of my house. It will break my heart but I must do it to show the others in my house or the other ones that want to be a part of my house, that that sort of bahavior will not be tolerated. \n\nBecause a parent must love all thier creations, we let them have free will. Understand? Read the Bible and you will see many ways that He has loved us.
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I have grown up in a Baptist church all of my life. I believe 100% in our God. I have the same question as you. It actually all came about this last week that I have been doing a lot of research on religion. I could not help myself from thinking your same question yesterday while in church. I felt quilty myself for even thinking this but it just puzzles me to no end. \n\nMy question is where did God come from. I agree there had to have been a beginning with him. Who put him here. Who sent him to Heaven & made Heaven for him to live? He was here on Earth so did he create all the disciples & the ones that crucified his son? \n\nI will keep a watch on this question b/c I would like to see the answer or an idea of where to look for it.
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I was taught the same veiw of God when I was Growing up. Namely that an omnipotent creator was watching out for us. And you're right, given the vast amount of suffering we see, it's hard not to reach the conclusion that God is non-existent, not omnipotent, or non-interventionist. I lean towards the last.\nWhen you buy a car you don't pick one that will wind up in the shop every other month, so why do people automatically assume that God would have created a "high maintenance" universe?\nYou're right there is much suffering in the world, but in the end, the pain your body feels can't really touch or effect your soul (or animating energy). Animating energy, being energy, can't really die. When our body dies, this animating enrgy leaves the body, it's not wasted or destroyed. And if there is a creator behind this, then he/she would not automatically feel the need to alter the process.\nFurther, I really believe that man is in the "image of God". And to me this means (as God is self-eternal), that we have the ability to organize our animating energy into a permanent consciousness. and towards this, it would be a mistake for God to actually intervene in the process. So I guess I see it as all animating energy will eventually have that chance.\nLao-Tzu once said that "A leader is best when the world barely knows that he exists, and when his work is done the people way say, 'lo for we did the work ourselves' ".
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no homo sapiens did not come from "God" the concept of higher beings was a creation by man to explain the unexplainable, so therefore it was not "God" who created man but man who created "God"\n\nAs for the question homo sapiens came about essentially by pure chance and through the evolutionary process, the first home sapiens started out in africa and spread out throughout the rest of the world, and while the breed with themselves they also breed with the homo erectus and absorbing them
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That's all wrong. God first creates us as a kind of mucous of sperm and also a bloody cell that waits coyly for the semen-snot to come and knock her up. When the male penis erectus enters the well-lubricated female vagina, SPLAAAATTT!!!!\n\nAnd that's how God creates us before we are born. I realize you probably think this is some kind of crazy theory dreamed up by a cult that wants to control your mind. But it's true. This is scientifically proven and known. So just check it out for yourself.
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Many year ago, humanity arose from the primordial chaos of beginnings. We looked to the sky and saw that the sun controlled what we could and could not do. We looked at one another and found biological differences. We looked at life around us and found it harsh and unforgiving, but we knew we could be kind and forgiving. We decided that we could transcend the drives of the reptilian cortex, the animal within, and we found that such was Good. We found that if there could be Good within us, then there must be a source for Good, and we named that source God. Did God exist before we named him/her? Unknown, and Unknowable. We are what we are, we are where we are. We ware civilization, and call it good, and we say it is from God, and that cloak wraps the reptile which still drives us deep inside. So mote it be.
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God is our creation but we turned around to claim that he created us.\n\nof course people will say god created us becauase the bible said so. and where did that information in the bible come from, god--- circular logic
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then we created Him to explain us and the critters...  In our own image no less.\n\nImagine that, a contradiction in the bible.\n\n(I can just feel the thumbs down from the fundies already)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>\n\nIts like you are asking who came before "FIRST" in race.\n\nI ask you , Who created "the one" who created God? and then so on ....There has to be some stop. Lets assume that this series is everlasting infinity.  In this case, we wouldn't be here. But we are here, that means there is a stop with a being who is UNCREATED. It is difficult for us to imagine something with no end and no beginning. but it is impossible for us to imagine our Creator had a beginning. \n\nYour question is like, my brother gave birth to a child, is it male or female? Its the Characteristic of male that he does not give birth. If he gives birth then he is not male. God is Eternal, because its characteristic of God that HE IS ETERNAL. If He is not eternal, that means He is not God. \n\nGod has to be Eternal then otherwise He would have a beginning. Suppose, we say God had a beginning, then there was a time when God did not exist. It means that he needed somebody else to make him exist. So there is somebody else who is God, not him. but as we agreed that there is only one God, therefore, there is no one else who make Him exist.\n\nWhen we say that God cannot be born, we are also saying that a creator cannot becomes his creation, because creation means what is in need of a creator. To be a creature of God, mean there had to be someone to create you. So if God becomes his creation, it means now he is in need of a creator. And this is absudity! As we know, A creation is not eternal. An eternal being is uncreated. We can conclude that the one God who is uncreated, has to be Eternal.\n\n\nIt follows by logical necessity that if God is one, and if He is eternal, Then obviously He does not beget , Nor is he begotten. Because if He beget, then He will have a child and the child will have to be God-like. So there will then be two Gods. Since we agreed that there is only one God, you cannot have two. OR If he was begotten, that means he would have father. Then the father will be older than him and more eternal than him. and we cannot have one who is more eternal than "ETERNAL"\n\n==============================...\n\n\n"Say: He is Allah, The One and Only. "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.\n"He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him." \n[Quran 112:1-4]\n\n==============================...\n\nTHERE IS ONE CREATOR, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS HIS CREATION. THATS IT. !!!
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First of all there is no such thing as god.\nSecondly, according to the fictional book that everyone follows it says that God created man in HIS OWN image. Which means that god must have been a murderer, rapist, child abuser, wife beater, gay, etc...
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Well, you would too if you created the ENTIRE universe!  But seriously, God doesn't have an ego, Satan does, and that's why God threw him out of heaven.   No words can properly explain to the fullest who God is, the only way someone can know who God is, is to have a relationship with Him.  My father is an atheist and he wanted my mother who is catholic to raise us without a religion.  So, I grew up knowing in my heart as a child that there was a God, but not having a religion structure to explain to me.  Well, God gave me dreams as a teenager, which eventually led me to get saved when I was 18.  And by the way, God DID appear to people, as Jesus, and will return again in the future.  God doesn't have an ego, He wouldn't have died on the cross and suffered for our salvation.  God loves us and wants whats best for us.  Satan is jealous of God and people because he can't be god, and he can't get saved like humans.  God won't forgive him so he's jealous that God forgives us, and satan tries to lead us down a path of destruction to hell.
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I don't know why either. Think about all the people that lived before Christianity. Did millions and millions and millions of people go to Hell then? Christianity didn't exist in order for them to believe in it. Because if that's true, it's a little unfair on God's part. Why wouldn't he have sent Jesus down here earlier then? Same goes for all other current major religions. Why have the only been around the past couple millenimums or so? What about people for hundreds of milleniums before then?\n\nPeople don't like that they "don't know" things. That's my belief. That they feel like there HAS to be an excuse for everything. When there really doesn't HAVE to be. It's called coincidence. Some people can't just accept things for what they are and stop giving them some kind of magnificent purpose. Sliced bread was a good idea, but we don't attribute that to God... so were computers, but that's not God's doing... how about Yahoo Answers? I guess God made that too?
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We were originally perfect. It's believed that Adam and Eve would have been functionally immortal if it had not been for their sin. \n\nGod's image is generally considered His moral image; in that we were capable of learning to understand the difference between good and evil. God is spirit, so we are not referring to God's appearance (He can take on any He chooses).\n\nIn fact, there is no reason to suppose that God would not have allowed Adam and Eve to --eventually-- eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If this were done with His prior permission, instead of against His instructions, it would have turned out for our good. We were in a sort of initial stage of testing and evaluation. Fortunately, the situation was one God was capable of correcting. All of history since then has been a record of God working to fix things and get things back on track for His big plan, whatever it is.\n\nIf not for that one sin, death, disease, and even physical entropy would not have entered the universe. So, everything up until that point was perfect, or, as they were declared in the creation accounts, 'very good'; as good as necessary. \n\nIt has occurred to me that the Flood, the subsequent reduction of the lifespan of human beings, the selection of Abraham, the isolation of the Hebrews for forty years in the desert, etc., could be examples of genetic engineering, much as we breed cattle for different traits. Periodic isolation and decimation of populations encourage traits to come out. \n\nI don't understand how one can breed for faith, since is is not carried by DNA. I'm not claiming to understand that. For that matter, I think that language-- information processing and communications-- are more powerful than evolution. Look at us. Since we learned to talk (and I think this is something that was given to us, in that we were given words in addition to the Word, so to speak) we have stopped evolving, if we ever evolved. Our primary development and advancement now is not in the area of evolution, but by education. Who wants to wait to evolve in a random direction when there's a faster method available? \n\nGetting back to the earlier point I was trying to make, before I interrupted myself, God was genetically breeding a special people for Himself, for purposes which He has not chosen to fully explain-- because we were not capable of understanding them. \n\nThe point is this: If God was that advanced, back then, imagine how much more advanced He must be now. (I am speaking in human terms; I don't think that God has been learning or improving or changing at all since then. But I put it this way for people to be able to compare.) We now know how to breed cattle, etc., for different traits. How much more advanced do they think we might become in genetic science, thousands of years later? \n\nGod IS that 'advanced', NOW. Isn't that mind-blowing?\n\nThere are a lot of things I don't undersand, but part of my understanding includes a knowledge of my own limits. If the Bible calls God perfect, I dont have a problem with that. I'm not likely to be able to spot any of His flaws, not that I think He has any. Do you see what I mean...?