between illegal immigrants campaning through cities about the injustice and are unfair treatment than what the early illegal immigrants did you are all illegal too no matter what they say you stole the land from the native american and you stoled the land from the mexican people what the difference this country is unjustice and unfair. VIVA LA RAZA LA REVOLUTION DE CHE GUERRERO!?
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They have a right to protest, and I think it's the right thing to do.
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This is a ridiculous analogy and those above who agreee with it need to open a history book and actually read it.  The differences are numerous:\n\n1.  African slaves did NOT come here willingly--illegal Mexicans do.\n2.  African slaves were never paid ANYTHING for their forced labor--illegal Mexicans are paid according to the market economy THEY have chosen to enter.\n3.  African slaves could not own homes, property, or get legally married--illegal Mexicans CAN and often DO own homes, property and marry legally.\n4.  The fate of African slaves was entirely in the hands of their owner--illegal Mexicans don't have any owner (masters)--therefore their fate is in their own hands.\n5.  Slaves were denied education and could not attend public schools--illegal Mexicans CAN attend school (the very schools that REAL Americans pay taxes to support,) they simply don't take advantage of the free schooling and drop out at a higher rate than any other ethnic group in America.  However this high drop out rate is not forced upon them it is evidence of their their poor decision making skills.\n6.  African slaves could not vote by law and no steps were available for them to remedy this status--Illegal Mexicans can vote if they go through the legal process of becoming citizens and obey the law, however even legal citizens of Mexican heritage seldom vote (less than 6% as of the 2004 presidential election.)\n7.  Slaves could be bought or sold by their masters for any indescretion or lack of motivation--illegal Mexicans do not have any masters there they cannot be bought NOR sold.\n\n\nIllegal Mexicans would LOVE to claim slave status; however this claim reflects their ignorance of history NOT their second-class citizenship status in America.  They are NOT second-class citizens at all, they are criminals living here illegally and should be caught, arrested, and deported just like any other criminal should be treated.  The fact that they come from a poor country and their children are hungry is moot.
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Reactionary laws?  That's friggen hysterical.  It's already against the law to enter this country without going through the proper channels, hence the term (as un-PC as it is) ILLEGAL ALIEN.  \n\nNow, as far as counter protests and marches, we have several things going against us.  \n1. We don't have a close knit network to get the word out.  There's a website here and there but there's no coordination between sites.  \n2.  Concerns about being viewed as racist.  So what if the issue isn't about race?  So what if it's about people, regardless of color, who are INVADING our country?  The media and the Hispanic/Latino leadership in this country will try to smear ANYONE who organizes a widescale protest.  \n3.  Fear of being retaliated against.  \n4.  Lastly, I believe a lot of Americans feel overwhelmed by the enormity of the problem and frustrated that the American government isn't enforcing its own laws.\n\nI say we treat illegal aliens the way they treat them in their own countries.  For example, here are a few of Mexico's laws.\n\n"Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters. The State may grant the same right to foreigners, provided they agree before the Ministry of Foreign Relations to consider themselves as nationals in respect to such property, and bind themselves not to invoke the protection of their governments in matters relating thereunto; under penalty, in case of noncompliance with this agreement, of forfeiture of the property acquired to the Nation. Under no circumstances may foreigners acquire direct ownership of lands or waters within a zone of one hundred kilometers along the frontiers and of fifty kilometers along the shores of the country." \n\nArticle 32: "Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable. In time of peace no foreigner can serve in the Army nor in the police or public security forces."\n\n Foreign-born, naturalized Mexican citizens may not become federal lawmakers (Article 55), cabinet secretaries (Article 91) or supreme court justices (Article 95). \n\nAccording to Article 33, "the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action."\n\nNon-citizens are forbidden to participate in demonstrations or express opinions in public about domestic politics.  Article 9 states, "only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country."  Article 33 is unambiguous: "Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country."\n\n*In response to the answer below:\n\nIt's not a complex issue.\nThey ARE criminals.  They broke the laws of this nation by entering without going through the proper channels.  Many of them use stolen or forged identies and social security cards, which means they are breaking MORE laws.\nBusinesses do not need their labor.  Businesses need to stop undermining the foundation of this county and discontinue their law breaking activities.  Who the hell do you think did the work before the last 12 million illegals came here?  Do you think Americans would sit and starve if illegals didn't pick fruits and vegetables?  I guarantee you they would NOT starve.\nJefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt are spinning in their graves over the invasion of this country and the government's lack of action to stop the influx.\n\nTheodore Roosevelt Advocates Americanism, 1915\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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80% of the illegals that are coming across the border are not even Mexicans. They are from Guatamala and El Salvador , Panama, China and so on. Its not the Mexicans that are crossing over the border except for maybe a few. Now 1000's cross everyday with a Visa to go shopping in San Diego and in doing so are paying mega cash into state tax which who is benifiting from? They arent because they are go back home.  Yeah the government in Mexico sucks but things are changing slowly and thats because who ever tries to change things to fast and are noticed those people disappear. A few years back Colossio who was running for President came to Tijuana to speak and since he was wanting to change things for the people he was shot. In your question you said " it will take some Blood , sweat and tears . and thats how we made this country what it is.  Now I ask you Whos blood sweat and tears  made this country? Yours?  Whos blood and sweat do you think made The US?  AMericans?   American is not a race, it is a name given to a country in which every race of the world came together to build the country.
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OK thats a good question ... up to now I do agree with Gonzalez... I hate to tell you this mi amigo Hayleylov but it is true that there was a big part of land that was taken (NOT Conquered)that is known as US territory now. It is on many US History books and Predator maybe you should take a look before telling someone to read history without reading it yourself first.Pain and blood had run through the US street as well. Back in the time there were the indians who were forced to become "The Guests" of their OWN LAND and the worst part is that they still suffering the damage that this society have done to them. A fair land??? Yes it was fair for the ones that took the Land and worked the slaves. I mean common people this country was build on many people's pain and it continues to be that way until we stop to THINK whats really a GOOD REASON to treat humans that bad (Is power a good reason?) . Otherwise, kingdoms collapse like many did back on time. The pain will continue even if they legalize millions of people (mexicans, asians, cubans etc) it doesnt matter if the racism and hate still spreads around. What difference will it make????  \nPlus this country is based on immigration LEGAL or ILLEGAL you' all got here someway or another dindt ya?... So pleeeeeeeease stop being such close minded and be realistic for once before making comments. And do whatever you want to do with illegals as long as you do it as a ONE NATION UNDER GOD. Peace =)
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somebody said about no real jobs and the mexicans issue. This anyway doesnt apply on me I am not mexican, but why I cant find a decent Job. I have my education and i am sure not because of the mexicans but because of the OUTSOURCING. My Job aswell of many other vanished for some CHEAP LABOR overseas (india and china), The issue of the illegal immigrant has been  a problem since forever, but why now it was erupted? Because the Big companies are laying off people left and right, and outsourcing the jobs of others, maybe they knew some retaliation will happen so they erupt and paid money in millions to let media concentrate on mexicans.\n\nBeside that someone said the 300.000 on welfare.... Did you trach how many are not mexicans on welfare and they are capable of working but they dont want to do anything beside selling crack on the streets and hang out arround. You know how many are those? MANYYYY.\n\nWhat about the war thats is not OURS!!! war expense everyday was estimated of 100 millions. Gaz for vehicles, food for soldiers, etc... What we have to do with irakians problems? why we still there? thats beside everyday we lose one or 2 soldiers. These are humans !!! THATS where you lose Money!!!\n\nAnd for those who said now we have laws about immigration I am afraid that you missed totally the point of the person who asked this question. He mentioned the settlers as a prove that all white, yellow, black, brown except what called red indians are IMMIGRANT. You accept that fact or not, this country history return back to 300 to 400 years max. \n\nAnyway americans are offensive to newly immigrant? yes but because of some rules in some companies about zero tolerance against discrimination they dont say it out loud. btw If the americans didnt descriminate against others based on their origin...why there is a law prohibit the descrimination !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The key word is "illegal" as in not legal, as in wrong, as in shouldn't do it, as in not right. America has many flaws but one of our strengths is the legal system. What I find incomprehensible is that you would want to base a society on illegal principles as in I will cross another countries border, take up residence and not abide by their laws. My question to you is which laws do you decide to follow and which laws do you ignore and how do you arrive at your decision ? Do you want a society like Mexico where you have to bribe public officials and the police? I have lived in my country 52 years and not once have I had to or wanted to bribe a public official or policeman. On the other hand it is routine to do so in Mexico. What is also routine is bad water, disease and poverty. Do I hate Mexicans? Absolutely not. I want as many of them over here as possible speaking Spanish among themselves but English in general society, just as my German and Irish ancestors had to.Most of all I want them to follow the same laws as my ancestors followed. I do not want a Mexican legal system or culture dominating my life and my country  . We fought a war over that once and I have no desire to fight another one.\n\nLet me repeat I do not hate Mexicans but I will love the Mexican without agreeing to have the poverty, disease and disregard for the law imposed on me. This is my country and it is yours too as long as you follow the law, pay your taxes and learn the language. You would expect no less of me if I wanted to be a citizen of Mexico and common courtesy decency and respect would demand it.\n\nThis is a serious matter and it does not seem wise to me to expect reconquista. It will not happen.\n\nI just read Recoba 01's post. You need to know that I am not intimidated by Mexicans and do not think you are going to take my job. The rules are clear . Get your education, work hard compete fairly and then if you "take" my job all power to you. Mexicans are certainly capable of competeing with the best. As a native born American I am willing to live and let live, treat everyone with respect but as a slogan on one of the early American Flags put it. "Don't tread on me"
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I hear you but "they" wouldn't understand what you're trying to say...maybe because "they" are in denial or simply using the "everyone is an immigrant" to justify their criminal acts.\n\nP.S. i noticed you said the words "illegal mexicans" good your voicing out your opinion just like those ILLEGAL MEXICANS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS!\n\ngirlfriend no matter what you say about mexicans whether good or bad...they'll accuse you of being a racist.
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this is what I have to say to those who are slamming this guy in the wall.AND TO YOU DARTH NAX WHO CAME HERE 150YEARS AGO THROUGH YOUR ANCESTORS>\nI am 100% AMERICAN REAL AMERICAN 100% LAKOTA SIOUX INDIAN.I PREFER TO CALLED "HUMAN BEING" NOT AMERICAN.YOUR FAMILY WAS THE ORIGINAL IMMIGRATES>YOUR PEOPLE ROBBED STOLE KILLED AND RAPED OUR WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND EVEN OUR MEN.YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHT TO CONDEMN THE MEXICANS AT LEAST THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK FOR WHAT THEY HAVE INSTEAD OF STEALING IT BY WRITING FALSE TREATIES THAT THEY CAN BREAK FOR THEIR BENEFITS.AND CALIFORNIA WAS MEXICAN LAND!!WHY CAN YOU CRITICIZE  BUT NOT TAKE CRITICISM WHEN YOU ARE IN THE WRONG?YOU SPEAK AS THOUGH YOU WANT TO BE TAKEN AS A WISE MAN BUT YOU BLOW LIKE A JACKASS
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obeirn1:  Fianlly someone with a brain on here.  I agree with you 100%.  Here is the trouble with this immigration debate, to much prejudices, and racisits trying to run the country.  Also some of these "haters" as I have so affectionatly called them, tend to go with what the neighbor says without investingating things themselves.  Like most things, when people jump to conclusions, this whole thing will turn out to blow up in the "haters" face.  People dont realize that it is not just "Mexicans" here illegally, and if you look at the problem more, you will se that it is actually our own Governement (INS policies) that prohibit the majority of these hispanics from gaining papers.  Look at it from their side, if your kids were starving would you not do what you had to do to feed them?  Now if you cant afford food, how on earth are you to afford thousands of dollars for papers, when the wages in countries like Mexico are 5 bucks a week....people just think they know all when they refuse to see the tarnish on the coin.  ~~To answer the question, I am ashamed that as a whole, americans think they are somehow better than the rest of the world!~~
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Just Cause Life In MEX. And Some Other Countries "SUCKS"\nDont Give Someone A RIGHT To Be In This Nation\n\nAnd I Know That Pres.Fox Is CORRUPT But THAT\nDont Give Someone A RIGHT To Be In This Nation\n\nAnd Just Cause You Dont Have A Criminal Record\nDont Give Someone A RIGHT To Be In This Nation\n\nThis Is A NATION With LAWS-THAT IS The REALITY\nThis NATION Of LAWS Has BORDERS\nIt Dont MATTER HOW It Got To Be That Way\nTHAT Is The Way It Is\nThe INDIANs, The BUFFALOs, The WARs, The ESKIMOEs,\nIT DONT MATTER-Thats The WAY It IS\n\nYou Have The RIGHT To Be Here If \n1:You Were BORN Here\n2:You Take The Basic Nessesary Steps To Apply For A VISA And Then CITIZENSHIP And Are APPROVED\nTHAT Is The LAW In THIS NATION\nIF EITHER 1 or 2 Of The ABOVE Are In Fact TRUE\nThen You Are A CITIZEN Of This Nation\nAnd You Have A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT To Be Here\n\nTHATS IT-THATS ALL-There Are NO More Arguements About The RIGHT To Be Here In This NATION Of LAWS\n\nILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS Have No Constitutional Rights\n\nYou CANNOT "STEAL" The RIGHT To Be Here As You CANNOT STEAL ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS\nIf You DO, You Are A FELON\nYouve BROKEN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS\nIf You VIOLATE The FEDERAL LAWS Of A NATION, You Are A CRIMINAL\n\nIts THAT SIMPLE \nIf You Break Into A House To Steal Property, That Is An ILLEGAL ACTION, With A PENALTY If You Are Caught \nIf You SNEAK Across The BORDER Of A NATION To STEAL The RIGHT To Be There, That Is An ILLEGAL ACTION, With A PENALTY If You Are Caught\n\nILLEGAL ALIENS in America are here only because they are GUILTY of CRIMINAL VIOLATION  of our FEDERAL LAWS, . They are Morally Culpable for Shoving Aside those who ADHERE To The LAW and enter these United States in Orderly and Legal Fashion. \nSince when do Criminals and Cheaters receive pride of place for the Blessings of Liberty, over those Honestly, earnestly and Faithfully seeking to become American Citizens?Is It FAIR To Those That Have Applied For Their Visas?And LEARNED The Language?And PASSED The REQUIRED MEDICAL EXAMINATIONS?? \n\nPresident Bush has called for a reasonable and civil debate over the issues of border security and immigration reform. But the American people understand there can be no responsible immigration reform UNTIL OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE. “Guest worker” amnesty programs ARE NOT a part of border security. Amnesty is not the answer. To grant amnesty to these trespassers is to say "You crossed our borders ILLEGALLY, You BROKE OUR LAWS and now we are REWARDING you with U.S. Citizenship -- Congratulations!" \n\nThis is unacceptable.\n\nTo Illustrate the Absurdity of a "Comprehensive" approach to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS-\n\n-We don't take a comprehensive, humane approach with drug dealers because they are breaking our laws and causing great damage to this country by poisoning our children.\n\n Similarly, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS  Violate our Laws and Poison our System of Economics by TAKING JOBS from American Workers, Keeping WAGES ARTIFICIALLY LOW, and Sucking MILLIONS of Dollars of TAXPAYERS MONEY out of our Welfare and Medical Systems.\n \nNot To Mention The Fact That A Majority Of ILLEGAL ALIENS Live And Work In This Country And Then Send Their Money Back Home To Their Families (Whatever Nation Their Families Live In) Therefore DRAINING The Economy Even Further. \nWhen The US Dollar Leaves The US... Its GONE From The American Economy.
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HELL NO!!! You can think Iam a racist biggot if you want..I don't care. Do you think I could move to Mexico City and DEMAND ANYTHING?? Much less demand RIGHTS?  Of course not!!! Especially when someone is here Illegally how many rights are they actually entitled to? NONE!! Iam sick and Fuck*ing tired of going to the grocery store and picking up a box of something and having to turn it over 2 or 3 times to find where it's written in english. DO they have half the Shi*t written in english on there products in mexico?? Hell No Would they start printing every thing in english to accomodate me or anyone else english speaking? HELL NO! SOme (not all) don't pay taxes cause they work for cash. And to top it all off some Beaner re-wrote the national anthem in SPANISH so some Illegal wet-backs can sing it in spanish. They breed like rabbits, Let their kids run around in the stores like goons, can't speak the language, and drive around with no car insurance and stolen social security numbers  and I know what iam talking about I live in Texas BEANER CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.....F*UCK EM' They need to go home.  As far as the flag waving goes the bastards don't deserve to carry the american one. And need to go home to mexico if they are gonna carry their flag...
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hmmm.....don't see many of the regulars answering this question/statement do you.\n\nanother aspect of this immigration topic we have yet to pick the scab off.\n\nI love it.\n\nOh but I have to add....they are all going to post quickly with "illegal".....though that had nothing to do with the question.....that is going to be your basic answer.\n\nLMAO\n\ngood post!
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Illegal Latino immigrants and their supporters are ignorant as H3LL!!  They are the only nationality in our country here illegally, who protest in our country, fly their country's flags, disrespects our flag, leaders, laws, National Anthem, Citizens, abuse our welfare system, take slave wages for jobs Americans WILL do for a fair wage, cause incomes to plummet, are a drain on our economy, cause hundreds of hospitals to close, glut our ER's for non-emergency illnesses, glut our prisons, and on and on and on. NO! If I knew Spanish I wouldn't speak it now, out of respect for my own language, the language the majority of people here use. English is the unified language even if it isn't the official language. In order to assimilate in this country people need to speak the same language. Other immigrants manage to learn English, why can't they!? They need to go home get civilized then come back the LEGAL way!!
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First of all I would like to say congrats. You speak better English than any illegal Mexican that come over daily. Even better English than some of them who have been living in the US for over 10 years. Now to answer your question I dont know. Just wanted to say thnk you for proving to me that it is just Mexicans that cant speak English.
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DEAR HEAVENS!!  To the person who said something about forefathers, your logic is not flawed ~ it is non-existent!\n\nWhen the SETTLERS came here, they came to SETTLE.  Did they do the indigenous peoples wrong?  After a while, without question they did.  However, that is not the point right now.\n\nThe point is that there was, at *that* time, ROOM here.  People could go carve their world out of pieces of wilderness, risking life and limb on a daily basis.  They could worship freely; they could hunt and feed their family without fear of being sentenced to death for it; and on and on it goes.\n\nWe no longer NEED any more people here.  We're loaded to capacity as it is.  Every Country should do its best to improve itself and the citizens of that Country should HELP ~ not go elsewhere and burden another Country.\n\nIn answer to the actual question:  I don't think we should keep our borders open.  In fact, I think they should be closed until our current crises are repaired.  Once repaired, we could re-open our borders with more stringent and specific laws.  As another Responder said on another question, if we need an example of how to limit immigration, we need look only so far as the Mexican Constitution and their requirements for citizenship.\n\nTO TOPCAT420:  Amen!  I have difficulty justifying "fixing" things for other Countries when we have so much fixing we need to do right here!  I have long been a believer in restoring more lands to the Native American people, along with any and all mineral rights thereto.  And that's why i said we are loaded to capacity as it is!  We have enough for now.  We need to right a whole list of wrongs committed against the Native Americans, we need to stop children starving here in the U.S., we need to clean up our own interurban areas .. we have a LOT to do at home, for ourselves and by ourselves, before we can consider re-opening borders and helping others.\n\nThe U.S. has helped others until we've helped ourselves right into a hole.
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Who said the Americans are against Mexicans?  The Americans are against ILLEGAL Immigrants.  How were you able to interpret "illegal immigrant" to become "Mexican"?  It does not matter whether if they're Canadians, Mexicans, Chinese, African, Pakistanians, etc. illegal IS illegal.  What is it that you people do not understand?