why are people always talking about how america took land from mexico? what about mexico having had been taken away from indians....does it not matter because mexico is not a great place to live? or what? i am so sick of hearing this same stupid argument.
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Thats Right drizztbabe- \nIts A MOOT Arguement\nYou Cant Undo 200+ Years Of American History \nBecause A Bunch Of Screaming ILLEGAL Aliens \nAre DEMANDING For Us To Break Our Laws\n\nThey Will All Be Deported Soon- \nThey Should Stop Their Whining And Pack Their Gear\n\n***schlierkamp_wannabe320 (Below)\nYoure RIGHT- We Wont Have To Deport Them\n\nIf Congress were to pass a law that said, quite simply, that the CEO(ANY EMPLOYER) of any business that was caught employing ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS went to jail for a year - \nNO EXCEPTIONS - \nThen within a month there would be ten million (more or less) people lined up at the Mexican border trying to get out of the United States And Back To Whatever Country They Came From.\n\nThey'll Go Home Themselves\nNo Deportation Costs\nAnd They Wont Come Back\n\n***Hayleylov- THATS Right- COMMANDO!!!
136416
Mexico wants to get rid of their poor. They personally don't care where they go just as long as they leave and send money back. These are very uneducated people and a major a drain on the Mexican society as they are on ours. Americans are very misinformed if they think our government, corporate America and small businesses like these people. Mexican serve a purpose and caring about them has nothing to do with it.
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It is the land of Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, California, Nevada and Utah that the Mexicans claim we stole from them. We beat their butts in the Mexican-American War and  paid $15million for the privilege. Now they want to cry 'foul' and say we 'stole' it, losers. Here are some websites" \nhttp://www.boundless.org/2002_2003/features/a0000660.html\nhttp://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=186\nhttp://www.barnesreview.org/The__Reconquista_-Mexico_s_Dre/the__reconquista_-mexico_s_dre.html\n\nThe following website is blocked by Y!A so copy/paste it and take out the spaces:\n\nhttp://www. azt lan.net/ la_gran_ marcha.htm\n\nYou are required to be a legal citizen of the USA or have legal documentation to go there since it is PART OF THE USA and Mexicans just can't STAND it because it's OURS not theirs. \nThey are so JEALOUS!! \n\nAZTLAN belongs to the USA!!\n\nAnd THEY can't have it !!!  LMFAO
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Whether there was an official country is irrelevant (unless i am misunderstanding the point of these posts)  I would be quite pissed.  Of course, since it has happened and doesn't appear to be chainging anytime soo, the other arab countries could QUITE easily give a little land and money to the displaced people.  I often told my grandmom, How would you feel if a bunch of native americans knocked on your door and said, "we have this 2,000 year old book that says this neighborhood is ours, get out"?  And making the desert bloom is ALSO inconsequential.  I suppose that means we can just kick poepl out of the desert in Arizona if they aren't working hard enough and hand it over to another group of people?  It's their home whether it has a name or is blooming or whatever.
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would you people quit begging for bigger government & global authorities to solve all your percieved problems. its none of the un's business what happens here or anywhere else. thats why usa was formed remember? un shouldnt exist. mexicans have been the dominant culture & population in the south for the entire time the viande have been here. why are they such a problem? were you so worried about this 6 months ago or is this the product of the media blitz?
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Even American Indians fought for different hunting grounds.  Our European ancestors that settled here were just better warriors.  Now we have boarders and laws.  They are observed in all other countries on this planet, the USA should not be any different.  Mexico has some of the toughest immigration laws and some of the harshest penalties for breaking them.
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I heard a story once that the natives were asked if they owned this land and their reply was,  " how can you own the land, anymore than you can own the sky and the water? "  Just recently the USA stated that they did own the sky, we already know they have laid claim to the land and are stealing water as fast as they can fromt he Great Lakes.  But you don't think that the Native Americans are ever going to get the same deal that Israel gets do you?  They have money, they own New York and half of the state of California.   Anything they want from Washington they get, like the USA fighting their battles for them in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The claim that the Natives in both Canada and the USA are making may never be settled because the land they would give back to you is already owned by someone else.  Both governments in Canada and the uSA have bungled these land claims so badly that there is a greater chance of the state of Israel getting the land in question before you do.  To the victor goes the spoils of war, despite any treaties the government thinks you lost all those wars and the treaties are too long ago and too muddled up to know if they were ever paid or not.   The USA has entered into a Free Trade agreement with Canada over softwood lumber and the trade court has ruled in favour of Canada on every issue where money was taken by the USA in the form of a tariff or duty.  About 12 billion dollars in all over the last number of years.  The USA is supposed to pay back this amount to Canadian lumber companies.  So far they have not seen a nickel of that money and may never get it.  What Uncle Sam stands for is that he is not ever your Uncle but always someone else's.  Now I didn't say he was from Israel but the chances are he is.  When the Nazi's took billions of dollars from people in the second world war and put it in banks in Switzerland, the Jewish people filed law suits and got that money back about 5 years ago.  Wow is that like an open money machine or what?  Chances of you doing the same about land claims, forget about it.  Unless you become part of the state of Israel you are not in the same boat but good luck anyway.
606499
To say we stole California, Texas and Arizona I think is wrong. These states were given a chose to be apart of the u.s. . They chose to become part of the us.because they wanted freedom from the mexican goverment.
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No, revolutions only bring mayhem and ruin. How about getting rid of Mexico by uniting it with Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and (just for the hell of it) Arizona. It could be called Mexsaldurna! New Mexico could just be Mexico. While we're at it, why not divide North Dakota into Northern Dakota, Northernmost Dakota and The Useless Patch of Land between Northernmost Dakota and Canada. And get rid of upper Michigan. Give it to Canada so we could take that New Brunswick. Next, divide the Carolinas into 23 states, each named Carolina, with minor spelling changes. Also, while I have your attention, we should erase Rhode Island. I don't mean annex it to Massachusetts, I mean erase it. Take a pencil to it, and make a big white space with nothing in it. And do something about Colorado and Wyoming! They look exactly alike in maps, and a square is such a boring shape. Make Wyoming into a triangle, and Colorado into a complex myriagon. Then unify Kansas and Nebraska to form Kanraska, and only let stupid white corn-huskers live there. And, if I could venture out of America for a sec, lets do away with all of these Soviet countries. There are fifteen, but their all so useless, why not make them into four? Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan? Who needs em? Moldova? Make that, new Romania! Now... what were we talking about?
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Or, what about Mexico annex what was once theirs?\n\nI think both ideas are ridiculous, but if we are going to fantasize, how about this:\n\nAt first it wouldn't be a State(s), it would be a territory or a protectorate, like Porto Rico or the Panama canal zone.  If we annexed Mexico it is possible it would never achieve statehood.\n\nYou mentioned the benefits of building an infrastructure, but the reality is that we have a failing infrastructure up here we would have to deal with first.  We have one of the worst infrastructures compared to all the other developed countries of the world.  Our train system has some serious catching up to do.  Most of our power plants are dated.  Dams and levys are falling apart what seems like every day (think New Orleans), our airports are over used and too small, our National Parks and other public Lands are desperately under funded, our public transportation is terrible, we dearly need a urban planning miracle, we are facing a future of drought, the list doesn't end.  But basically we can't seem to afford to take care of ourselves let alone another 107,000,000 Mexicans.\n\nYes we would gain the natural resources, but the reality is we already have them.  America has been exploiting Latin America's natural resources for more than 150 years.  Look at whats going on in Venezuela and Bolivia.  The US is pissed off because these governments aren't allowing the US to rape them anymore. \n\nAnd we already have the cheap labor, they come here.  And they stay cheap because they are illegal.  But imagine if we start paying another 107,000,000 people minimum wage (or more),  they wouldn't be so cheap any more now would they?\n\nThe old paradigm of controlling mass geographic space is becoming passe.  In fact it is very difficult to govern huge populations speaking different languages, sharing different cultures, expressing different political ideologies.  America is a very expensive venture indeed, and I am not sure it is the least costly model.  When you finally break it down buy cost analysis I am sure the independent Mexico model shows the highest net growth for both countries.  \n\nIt is even possible that our current country "as is" won't be able to afford to exist in its present form for very much longer.  What if we run out of gas?\n  \nCan you imagine trying to get 107,000,000 Mexicans to integrate in to the US way of life, fat chance.  Many of them don't even speak Spanish let alone English.
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Why is it that the illegals on this forum don't get it? "This was once,our land, you took it from us, we just want it back."\nGuess what? it is NOT about the land. Has nothing to do with the land. It is about the opportunity that American people have created. I have seen what the "land" looks like across the border and it is not a pretty sight. I have seen the trash heaps that illegals leave behind on their routes to America. Illegals don't care about the land or they wouldn't trash it so.\nWhat you come for is the free stuff. You know that the liberal US government will pay you to have your little anchor babies. They will feed you, educate, medicate, house, and otherwise tend to your every need. The sad thing is you retain an allegiance to a country that won't do these things for you and insult the country that does. Just not very bright are you.
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I definitley think we should take strong action to stop this from happening. It won't be too long and we'll be the minority. It's like the US is just saying, hey come here and take our country from us. While your at it, fly only mexican flags and speak only spanish, so us americans will have to learn it. It's such a sensitive subject, but I hear so many mexicans saying they're not being treated fairly or equally, well no kidding, more than half of them are illegal. If they love mexico soo much, then go back!!!! Besides it makes me really uncomfortable when a group of mexican guys stare at my friends and i and talk amongst themselves. what the h e l l are they saying?
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isn't that what they are doing...in a clip mexican protesters were talking about having infantry...mexico has been educating it's citizens on how to swim across the border. so why wouldn't mexico want them to fight to stay here....it will happen if usa starts deporting!!! ppl need to wake up and realize that there is an invasion of usa!!!
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what is your question? \nIs it about the Cuban coyotes or Mexican immigration/emigration?\nWhat is your point?\nThere were native Americans in both Mexico & the USA before "Mexicans" or US Americans - so what?\nMexico couldn't establish a permanent settlement in Texas due to the harsh environment, distance from the Mexican government home base & various native American groups who killed any Mexican who tried. The first true permanent Texas settlements (non-native/Indian) were built by the Anglos from the then young USA.
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I completely agree. To all you morons saying we stole this land, and they were here first, I have this to say: Pull your head out of your ass, and get a clue. It does not matter HOW this land became The USA, all that matters is that it IS the USA.   No one treats the Mexicans like criminals, only the illegal immigrants, because they are in fact criminals.     I know not ALL of the Mexicans feel like this, but there is a large group talking about taking back this land, and some other non sense, well that sounds like they are trying to wage war to me. While the flag flying may not be treasonous, surely trying to wage war is.  The complete lack of common sense by certain people on here never ceases to amaze me.
193712
Well... its funny to see how americans (well mexicans are americans also) after being a melting pot of people from all over the world suddenly start to react against immigration and still think there is no racism involved. \nIt's OK that the Southern Staters now belong to the US, it was a useless bunch of desert anyway when Santa Ana sold it. \n\nThe real problem is not that, but that he was forced to sell it after the f... texans of Sam Houston rebelled against mexican goverment.\nSo, the argument that the Southern States belonged to the indians and the mexicans stole it for them is valid for the rest of all europeans who came to the Americas also, be it spanish, portuguese, english, dutch, french or what ever... \nAmericas (I mean the whole continent, not just only the US) belonged to the native americans which are more than 300 different cultures over all.\nIts only natural that those who have the bigger blood part of the original races of the continent (mexican mestizos) are claiming the land back.\n\nOh, and for the uneducted moron, the mexicans are indians, the spanish and conquistors were the same people, and trhe revolution was from 1910 to 1917 thats a while after the white settlers stole the indians their land of the "Wild West".\n\nI dont think that chris_p26 meant about going and selling cars when it has nothing to do with stealing land from natives and then wondering why they all want it back. Have an opinion if you want, by all means, but make sure that you know what your talking about first, and an opinion thats on the same lines of the argument.
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i know what you mean.\n\ni hate when people say something rude about mexicans.. or any minority for that.\n\nbut the mexicans have been getting it pretty bad lately. they just want better lives. who can argue with that? i know i wouldnt want to live in a place where you cant drink your own running water.\n\ngreat question :)