I've seen so many absurd comments about the Bible being "edited"...or there being a "catholic conspiracy".  Do you realize that those statements betray your ignorance of the facts?  No unbiased scholar or student of history would agree with your opinions.  If logic is your god, then please check out some facts before making illogical statements...
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i dont i have never read the bible nor do i wish to, but i can understand wat you re saying and also why it winds you up, but at the same time why do so many religious people feel the need to save us??? i also agree that there are many absurd comments on here but instead of getting upset just laugh mate they are only posted to get you to bite if you dont bite then they cant upset you xx
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I think all this is ridiculous. How do you know that the anti-Christ wasn't born on June 6th of 1906, or 1806, or so on? If you believe in that crap, I feel sorry for you.
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I just want to know why it was okay to have scriptures & other signs of faith posted on government property in the past and now it's not okay. Who gave a group so much authority to think and act for the majority? If something is offensive, I turn my head away, but I respect someone else's right to do the offensive thing. I don't like it, but I don't go running to the ACLU & cry all over them because I was offended. I don't urge them to hire a multitude of lawyers to make those people stop their vile display, violating my senses. I don't like a lot of things that are happening in this world. I try to make a difference where I live, and an even smaller difference at the ballot box. But, all this talk about separation of church and state is horse hockey. Our constitution DOES NOT have that wording in it anywhere. I've read through it several times and I don't see it. Must have been written with invisible ink! But, the Russian constitution DOES have that wording. I can see how that would be important...to the Russians. This country was founded on scripture and Godly values, not matter what the history revisionists are trying print in our school books now days. And no matter if you or anyone else likes that fact, it's a fact. If it was good enough for our forefathers, why isn't it good enough for us now? I don't believe that we are so very enlightened now that we've forgotten where we've come from. I think a lot of people just don't want to be reminded of any symbol of faith. It might make them uncomfortable, and we wouldn't want that! We want everyone to be happy, right? But, in their effort to please one group, they're offending another. I guess it's okay. Those crazy Christians have had the past couple hundred of years to plaster their stuff all over this country. So, now they can just back off quietly and shut up. That's the attitude that the ACLU sends every time they force someone to remove another symbol of faith from public view. It reminds me of what happened in Nazi Germany. When Hitler was killing all the handicapped people, no one made a fuss because it didn't affect them. When he started killing another group of people, no one said anything because they weren't affected. Then Hitler came for them, with not a whole lot of people left to put up a cry. It wasn't until Hitler started taking over other countries that people stopped him. This tearing down of the symbols of faith will not stop. Many new churches don't even display a cross anymore, blending in with all the other buildings in the area. I believe that this country has been blessed with so much because of Godly people living and working here. Revelation 3:15-17 says, "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot: I wish that you were cold or hot, one or the other. So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spit you out of my mouth. Because you said, I am rich, and have lots of  stuff, and have need of nothing (even God); don't you know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked?" I believe we are already reaping the consequences of our departure of faith. That's why more & more bad stuff is happening to America than ever before. We will believe in anything, as long as it doesn't make us too uncomfortable. I know I am making this really long, but this is something that's very dear to my heart. I love America and I love the people who live in her. I also know that there will be a few who are offended by my long tirade. Sorry that your feelings have been hurt in any way. But, I stand firm in what I believe. Everyone has the right to live out their faith in any fashion they desire. That includes government property, because it's a part of America too. Stopping the public viewing of these symbols isn't going to stop people from believing in Jesus, worshipping God or limiting their church attendance. But,
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Have you read the Bible? Pick any passage you like, and you'll be able to come up with at least two or three ways to interpret it. Even something that seems straightforward, like a bland historical account (So-and-so begat So-and-so, who did this in the 4th year of the reign of...), there's always the question of WHY it's in there. Catholics and Protestants and Mormons don't even use the same Bible! There's a base of knowledge we all share, but it comes from our personal relationships with God as much as from the Bible.
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And you believed it??\n\nHA!!!!\n\nNo one should take the Bible seriously, at least not as a scientific textbook.\n\nIt was written by ignorant, superstitious Bronze Age nomads who knew nothing of modern science and biological specifics.
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For the most part, their logic goes something like this:\n\n1. It's not in the Bible. Period!\n2. It gives a different viewpoint of 'The Betrayer'!!!\n3. Jesus NEVER laughed!!!...\n\nOr something along those lines. LOL.\n\nIt only goes to prove that certain people have really missed the mark ENTIRELY about THE MESSAGE. And instead, they'd rather nit-pick on who-did-what-to-whom kind of thing.\n\nI find that too silly though...
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Notice that the only thing Christians can point to in order to defend the Bible is....the Bible! \nIt is even more ridiculous to claim it is the word of God when it was manipulated by men in order to create a unifying religion - it was created as a politcal mechanism. (The Canonized Bible).
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its a BOOK..a FICTIONAL BOOK! Its not meant to be taken as TRUTH! I am Catholic, I know what I believe in, and I read the book. It doesn't go against the Bible, it just suggests possibilities that maybe someone in history altered the truth. Dan Brown is an incredible writer because of the fact that he can write FICTION and make people believe that it is the honest to God truth! Its a wonderful book & he NEVER says that it is the truth...he says the CHARACTERS in the book believe it is the truth! \n\n**steps off soapbox**
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What you are not entertaining, is the other possibility, that they CAN be reconciled, and you aren't seeing it, or not letting yourself.  It is not hard, it is right there.   The reference you give supports itself within the bible.  I don't see the problem, sorry.  Perhaps, your bible (Catholic Bible), could be off?    Do a study of the Christian cannon, and how the books were chosen to be included, or left out.  It is fascinating and eye opening.  Don't just assume the catholic church has it right, study for yourself.
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It is a strange thing, actually, and a few scholars are actually pushing for the mythical christ idea. Personally I think it explains the evidence better - think about it, if the events in the gospels did occur as they are portrayed, then it's totally inconcievable to me that *not one* contemporary historian bothered to write down any corroborating account.  Think about it, if dead saints were jumping out of their graves, don't you think one of the 40 contemporary historians would have made mention of it?\n\nI do.\n\nThe thing is, apologists will point to the interpolated accounts of Josephus in order to show that there were contemporary accounts - the problem is that Josephus was born in the year 37.  In other words, he wasn't a contemporary.  The best Christians can do is come up with accounts decades after the fact.  One of the posters here says that we should consider Josephus and Tacitus more then we do - but why? Neither actually has any first hand knowledge of Jesus, both of them are going off of what the Christians at the time were telling them.  In short, they are no more credible then the gospel accounts.\n\nIt's a tangled web we weave when we practice to believe (Dr. Price says this).\n\nCheck out the links below:
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*sigh*. This has been addressed several times in these forums.  \n\nThe conspiracy theorists really don't have a leg to stand on.  See the link below that debunks these guys.
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From my point of view and my opinion Joseph Smith was a great con man who roped people into believing a lie.  Those 'documents' that came from those god tables were proven to be hieroglyphics that he turned this way and that.  Everyone who purported to have seen those tables later recanted.  There is no evidence in this hemisphere that those civilizations existed.  Horses and elephants he described in those books didn't exist here until Europeans came.  DNA proved there is no link to the American Indians and Israelites.  None of it existed beyond his imagination. Add to that those books have been changed, and NOT to correct spelling, over 4000 times.  There is an easy way to prove that one, and other holy books as well, in the US copyright runs out 70 years after the author died.  The only thing that stops the clock on it is changes to it.  Then copyright restarts from the year of the change.  Look at copyright dates.  That will tell you if and when they are changed.  Not only that there is a lot in the Book of Mormon that was out and out plagiarized from the Bible its self.  See the following links for articles I just sited.
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Dear Allen T,\n I hear by subjugate your reality and implant my own.\n\nDid you know that the "Bible" has been changed over the past two millennia. Since the Catholic church has left out the good parts of the "Bible" we no longer know what is true, but in the name of Jesus, Christians have destroyed other faiths of the world to supplant their own beliefs on other nations and people which in the "Bible" God says do not JUDGE others or their way of belief.\nAnd I quote nowhere in Genesis does it state that the entire world was governed by God.\n\nIf we did find Atlantis it would rewrite everything we know.\n\n"And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived and bore him Enoch: and he built a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch."\nGenesis 4:16&17\n\nNod means to wounder in ancient Hebrew coptic scripts. And we have yet to find "EDEN". AND ENOCH WAS A GOOD PRE-FLOOD CIVILAZATION AND IRRONICLY THE CHILDREN ARE OF CAIN............\n\n*stps off soap box* "Thank you. I'll be back next week." bows and exits stage right.
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Oh my goodness!!! I'm sitting here lmao at some of these responses you've gotten CJ!! rayna, that's right, I totally agree with you. God didn't write the book, man did! So that should totally explain CJ's question right??? Well maybe God didn't write it because he's not in existence to write it?? And also, you said yourself that man wrote it, showing the atheist's theory that religion is a made up bunch of crap.\nOkay, and OnlyMe. OMG! You're going on and on blah blah blah about how perfect the bible is because it never once contradicts itself...wasn't that CJ's entire question about how it DOES contradict itself!!!?? Learn to read child! And I agree with CJ that is DOES have A LOT of contradicitons in it.\nOkay duc602, you say CJ is a troubled person? Actually I think he's the free one to do as he wishes. You're the one who's gullible and brainwashed...don't blame others and criticize them because they're not brainwashed into "seeing the light".\n\nAnd finally, to answer your question CJ. He's (God's) perfect only in the eyes of the oh brainwashed ones. He doesn't exist. Man made up religion to control the masses long ago. Hence why there are so many contradictions. What person do you know that knows how to keep his story straight ALL THE TIME? That's right: zip, nada, zilch.\n\nP.S. Quit abusing CJ just because you don't like his question. If you don't like what he has to say, then don't answer it. If you don't like what I have to say, then tough s h *t.
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As a Christian and Bible scholar, please believe me when I say that you have this all wrong--I mean you have truly misinterpretated practically everything.  \n\nI think though your points could be easily cleared up though if you were to sit with someone who has studied the Word. \n\nSince there is no way to address all of your questions and issues raised right now in this forum, why don't you go speak to a Jewish Rabbi or Bible Teaching Christian Pastor in your area.  \n\nYou don't want to hold on to misconceptions do you?  \n\nI'm sure you really do want the truth, right?  Good. You seem like someone that enjoys learning.  \n\nWell then if you want to learn the truth, you have an obligation to go and speak with someone educated in the Bible as well as someone that has a personally close relationship with GOD so that you can understand it from a different perspective.  \n\nYou're intelligent, and have obviously given this a lot of thought.  I'm sure you don't want to hold on to perceptions that are wrong right? \n\nSitting with someone one on one and going through each of your issues raise here, I believe that you will come away with a completely different view. You may still feel the same way, but at least you will have more and better information to draw more accurate conclusions.\n\nI can't begin to list the number of errors in your logic, or the number of times in your writings that you leaped to an erroneous assumption in this very short passage you wrote.  But I know that if you seek the truth, you will take the time to go speak to someone in person about your questions.  \n\nYou can even feel free to email me and I will be happy to talk to you more.  \n\nWe can walk through each passage here, and discuss the historical aspects that are recorded as well as what God is talking to us now about each of these passages.\n\nWe can discuss "What is the Mosaic Law", and how does it apply to the lives of God's people today.  We can also discuss spiritual warfare versus physical warfare and how it relates to the questions "Why would God kill innocent children? and order wars?"\n\nI welcome talking to you. I'm a Christian apologist.  We can debate, discuss, search and examine Bible history, teachings, prophesies, and hidden messages all day long, and it will not bother me, nor will I be offended if you don't agree.  \n\nI also welcome hearing about your religious beliefs. Although a devout Christian,  I enjoy studying other religions and beliefs as well.
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God didn't lie to the bible writers - THEY MADE IT UP\n\nThe bible writers are the liars\n\nHere's another thought - if we found a science book from the 1st century, do you think it would be of any revelance now?
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If your view is accurate that just shows how really ignorant and foolish mankind really is. For billions of people throughout human history to be duped into believing something like the Bible is simply ludicrous. Please give three things that you claim to false about the Bible and  lets debate them on Yahoo Answers.