This is follow-up question to my question asked few days back\nhttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006033016594\n\nI understand from some answers that Christians believe that Jesus is first creation of God and that is the reason he is called son of God.\n\nDo all Christians believe that Jesus was created by God ? or is there any Christian denominations that consider Jesus was always there and never created ? \n\nIf he is not created then why Jesus is always called Son and Jehovah father ?\n\nI asked this question before it is not listed in open questions list, so I am asking it again.
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of course he was created by god\nwho else will create the magnificant human being than god?well..jesus still just a ordinary human with big responsibility i guess
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Jesus was God in the flesh and also the son of God the father ...so refering to Jesus as the son of God is correct....Satan is subject to God as are we all....Understand the trinity while the Father son and holy ghost make up the trinity they also can work seperately they are one and you are correct that Jesus could not have been tempted by Satan..But Jesus had to be tempted and overcome..whether satan truly believed he could tempt Jesus because he was in human form or whether he was just subject to the fact that he was pre-ordained to do as God willed for him to do the scriptures do not say...I believe that he believed he could turn Jesus against God he thought God in human form being weaker he had a shot...God while in the flesh was definitely lower than God the father Jesus was humbled as a man and was definitely in subjection to the father...Completely understanding the trinity is something that even very spiritual Christians have trouble completely understanding....But I would give you this as an example...If you do believe in life after death...or if you are a scientist you believe energy cant be destroyed....So what are you flesh and bone...do you have a spirit? if you believe that you are more than flesh and bone than you too are a combination of body and spirit...ask yourself which one you are? how can you be both?...We are created in the image of God...he created the body and breathed in the spirit and the two became a living soul.
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1st of all Jesus said:  He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.—Joh 6:56, 57.\n\nJesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. (Ge 6:2, 4; Job 1:6) However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,\n\nJesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] . . . gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;\n\nDoes the Bible teach that all who are said to be part of the Trinity are eternal, none having a beginning?\n\nRev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him . \n\nDoes the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty?  Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)\n\nJohn 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”\n\n1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven. \n\nA person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.\n\nI COULD GO ON & ON WITH SCRIPTURES & EXPLANATIONS, BUT I THINK THIS ALREADY TO LONG FOR SOME PEOPLE.
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As a Christian, my church believes that Jesus and God are two separate beings.  During the early years of Christianity, there was a great debate regarding the godhead.  Were the Son, the Father, and Holy Ghost separate beings or a single being (Trinity).  The Emperor Constantine, under political pressure, ruled in favor of the Trinity theory, a ruling which has dictated the beliefs of a majority of Christian sects.  However, on his deathbed, Constantine recanted his decision and declared his belief for the the three separate beings theory.\n\nBelief in the separation theory causes one problem:  It means there is more than one deity.  However, this should not be a concern for most Christians because "God" is a relative term, referring to our specific deity.  For us, there is only one God.  (There may only be one Sun, but there are many stars).\n\nThe Trinity theory quotes the Bible where they repeatedly say that Jesus and God are "one".  However, it is clear that this translation is intended to mean "one in purpose" or "one in belief" or "one in love" etc.  This is evident when looking at other scriptures that say that Jesus and his apostle were "one".  Certainly, the Bible did not mean that Jesus physically merged with one of his apostles.\n\nHope this was helpful!
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Jesus the flesh was that of a man, God did not dwell in Jesus until Jesus was baptized. In Jesus, God pour out his spirit without measure, Meaning all that God is, is now in Jesus, But don't mis-understand this point, Even though God dwell in Christ without measure does not mean that all of God now dwells in Only Jesus & nowhere else, God is everywhere. So that is the Divine side of Jesus. Jesus still has a father, why, Because Jesus with his Bride will rule & reign on this earth for 1000 yrs. that is called the millennium, & after the Millennium Christ comes off his throne in the temple, & after the Great white Throne Judgement, this earth had also been redeemed back to God the Father, The one eternal spirit. Therefore Jesus will not be the redeemer after that, because even this earth is redeemed back to GOD, Then Jesus comes off the throne & becomes our elder brother, & then God will sit on that throne forever world without end & the eternal age.
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Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Scriptures alone quite plainly demonstrate that Jesus and the Almighty are separate distinct persons, and the Almighty created Jesus as His firstborn son.\n\n(Colossians 1:15) the firstborn of all creation\n\n(Mark 10:18) Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.\n\n(Revelation 3:14) the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God\n\n(Philippians 2:5-6) Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God\n\n(John 8:42) Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth\n\n(John 12:49) I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak\n\n(John 14:28) I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am\n\n(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him\n\n(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father\n\n(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God\n\n(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.\n\n(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah\n\n(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him\n\nLearn more!\nhttp://watchtower.org/library/ti/index.htm\nhttp://watchtower.org/e/ti/
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If Muslims don't believe Jesus was God Jehovah, They are right. Jesus was NOT God Jehova.\n\nWhoever told you He was, was pull'n your leg.\n\nJesus is The Son of God Jehovah.\n\ngreat prophet?  Who is this Great Prophet? Jesus?  lol\n\nhmmmmmmmmmmm. I see someone needs to stay after class and get this correct.
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Jesus is the son of God. He is the Savior, altho many do not yet realize this yet. But...soon they will...The Bible predicts that this Son Of God, Jesus, will come back to this earth, and we will see that He is our Savior, God's son, and we will bow down to him ( Jesus died on the cross for both the believers and the non believers)\nHe's not "just some guy," as some believe, but it's up to each of us to prove that fact to ourselves. If we don't, we may have to learn it the hard way...at His 2nd coming...Better to get with it, and prove it A.S.A.P.
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God is the Creator of ALL things.  He created Jesus who is considered God's firstborn son because he was the first angel God created.  After that God and Jesus together created everything else.
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Here it is another 15 year old sermon from an unbeliever . . . and for an unbeliever . . . I am more familiar with the scriptures and historical documents than some of these believers.\n\nWHO IS JESUS CHRIST?\n\nSince Jesus Christ (Yeshua the Messiah) walked this earth as a human 2,000 years ago, there has been a controversy over who he really was. The Bible tells us in many places that there is only one true God (Deu. 6:4; Mal. 2:10; Mark 12:32; Rom. 3:30; Jam. 2:19; etc.). So where does Yeshua fit into the Godhead? \n\nMost modern Christians have been taught that Jesus is the second co-equal "person" in a triune Godhead composed of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. However, many (if not most) Christians don't really understand the Trinity. Other believers today, perceiving problems with the Trinity doctrine, have adopted a belief in the "Oneness" of God which is similar to the ancient doctrine of Modalism. \n\nBefore we can truly understand who the Messiah is, we need to look at the historical background of first-century Jewish religion and subsequent philosophical/religious doctrines that arose to explain his identity. This is going to examine the beliefs of first-century Jews regarding the Godhead and present the succeeding theories put forth to define who Yeshua is. Then we will discuss by harmonizing the Scriptures with this information to better understand what the Bible really says about the identity of the Messiah. \n\nFirst, let's start by looking at what first-century C.E. Jewish religion believed about the Godhead. There has been a tendency by scholars to define first-century orthodox monotheistic Judaism in rather restrictive terms. Jewish literature or beliefs from that time frame that seem to stray from the accepted norm have been reinterpreted to accommodate Trinitarianism or used to prove that Judaism was derived from the polytheistic religions surrounding Israel. \n\nRegarding how modern scholars tend to view first-century Jewish religion as either totally monotheistic or essentially polytheistic, University of Manitoba Professor Larry W. Hurtado wrote: \n\nI suggest that on both sides of the issue . . . there has been a tendency to proceed deductively from a priori presumptions of what monotheism must mean, instead of building up a view inductively from the evidence of how monotheism actually operated in the thought and practice of ancient Jews. There seems to be an implicit agreement on both sides that more than one transcendent being of any significance complicates or constitutes a weakening of or threat to monotheism. Those who see first-century Jewish religion as monotheistic tend, therefore, to downplay the significance and attributes given by ancient Jews to any transcendent beings other than God. For these scholars often, ancient Jewish monotheism must mean that the descriptions of such beings are largely rhetorical. Though I am convinced regarding some examples, I am not sure that the descriptions are always purely rhetoric . . . \n\nThose on the other side of the issue tend to emphasize the honorific ways in which transcendent beings other than God are described and the prominent positions they occupy in the religious conceptions reflected in ancient Jewish texts, alleging that first-century Jews were not really monotheists after all. It is clear that ancient Jews were not characteristically monists or unitarians, but does this mean that they were not monotheists? That is, on both sides there is a tendency to proceed as if we can know in advance what "monotheism" must mean, which turns out to be a very modern, monistic form of monotheism, and can accordingly evaluate ancient Jewish texts and beliefs as to whether or how closely they meet an a priori standard of "pure" monotheism. ("What Do We Mean by 'First-Century Jewish Monotheism'?," Journal for the Study of the New Testament) \n\nAs the above quote shows, Profe
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Jesus is the one true God. Some people think that he was just a prophet from God, but he actually died for our sins. I mean the Jews rejected him, but what he went through at the cross, no one would have survived a part of what he went through. I am a struggling christian I admitt it, I am, because I am just not use to all the things that we r suppose to obey. But I am learning slowly. Hey but at least I am still learning more and more about God that I thought I understood before. The Bible is all the proof you need. I would sudgest to get a New King James Version to help you understand the words a little. I even have trouble understanding it. Hey I'm 15 I can have an escuse to have a little trouble. ~LOL~ Also look at Probvers, Acts, and Revlations. They will tell you of how he died for you, what is coming for us in the rapture, and how we should act as christians. I hope you take of what I said into concideration.
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE "TRINITY"\n\n1st of all Jesus said: He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.—Joh 6:56, 57.\n\nJesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. (Ge 6:2, 4; Job 1:6) However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,\n\nJesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] . . . gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;\n\nDoes the Bible teach that all who are said to be part of the Trinity are eternal, none having a beginning?\n\nRev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him .  Why did God have to give Jesus the revelation, if Jesus is God?\n\nDoes the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty? Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)\n\nJohn 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”\n\n1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven. \n\nA person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.\n\nI COULD GO ON & ON WITH SCRIPTURES & EXPLANATIONS, BUT I THINK THIS ALREADY TO LONG FOR SOME PEOPLE.
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Yes! Finally after months someone makes sense! Original christianity (not bible version) was polytheistic. Jesus taught Gods! His father in heaven is supreme god (like Brahma), then there's son of god (cosmic christ), then there's the goddess Sophia, and the creator god (Ialdaboath), and many more gods. There is mention of 35 aeons (these are very high god/goddess pairs). This is what Jesus taught and even the NT gives away Jesus' polytheism. The orthodox christians wanted "one god" so they invented "the mystery of the holy trinity". Jesus was a Pagan polytheist, and there are extra-biblical scriptures which clearly state this.
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I wrote something very similar to this on my blog last July. It's a little long, but here it is:\n\nI've often wondered where the belief that Jesus will "consider" peoples prayers comes from. \n\nIf you read Matthew 7:7-8, Matthew 18:19-20, Matthew 21:21-22, Mark 11:24-25, Luke 11:9-13, John 14:13-14, John 15:7, John 15:16, John 16:23-24, Jesus clearly says that if you pray in his name he will answer your prayers, not that he will think about it. Jesus claimed repeatedly that he would answer all the prayers of the faithful who prayed in his name as a testiment to Gods glory.\n\n\nTake John 14:13-14 (NAB) for example: And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.  If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it.  \n\n"Whatever you ask in my name, I will do" is pretty cut and dried. There's really no room in that statement for error in understanding the meaning, nor is there room to interpret it as "Pray in my name, and I'll do what I think is best for you."\n\nNow obviously Jesus can't answer every prayer that each Christian makes in his name. Aside from just being silly, it would create chaos in the world of, dare I say, Biblical proportions. So consider the following options:\n\n1. Jesus lied. The church based on his life is a lie, and this falsehood has been passed on 2000 years too long.\n\n2. Jesus told the truth, and it is a lack of faith in Jesus ability to actually answer all prayers that keeps him from doing so. The Christian faith is no longer viable in the eyes of God.\n\nEither way, doesn't it seem like a waste of time and effort to continue to believe that Jesus is the Messiah? On one hand, the myth of Jesus as the son of God would seem to be instantly invalidated. On the other hand, Jesus has clearly turned his back on the faithful for the last 2000 years. Christians must now rationalize prayer in order to ignore the fact that whether or not a prayer is answered, is sheer chance.\n\nMight as well pray to The Cat in the Hat if you ask me. It's likely to have the same results. Well, actually thats not entirely accurate. A recent Christian study showed that sick people who knew they were recieving prayer were 70% more likely to have medical complications after surgery than those who either did not know, or who recieved no prayer. Make that out however you want to, but I would think it should be pretty obvious...\n\n-SD-
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Christ’s divinity is shown over and over again in the New Testament. For example, in John 5:18 we are told that Jesus’ opponents sought to kill him because he "called God his Father, making himself equal with God." \n\nIn John 8:58, when quizzed about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am"—invoking and applying to himself the personal name of God—"I Am" (Ex. 3:14). His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59). \n\nIn John 20:28, Thomas falls at Jesus’ feet, exclaiming, "My Lord and my God!" (Greek: Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou—literally, "The Lord of me and the God of me!") \n\nIn Philippians 2:6, Paul tells us that Christ Jesus "[w]ho, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped" (New International Version). So Jesus chose to be born in humble, human form though he could have simply remained in equal glory with the Father for he was "in very nature God." \n\nAlso significant are passages that apply the title "the First and the Last" to Jesus. This is one of the Old Testament titles of Yahweh: "Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of armies: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god’" (Is. 44:6; cf. 41:4, 48:12). \n\nThis title is directly applied to Jesus three times in the book of Revelation: "When I saw him [Christ], I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand upon me, saying, ‘Fear not, I am the First and the Last’" (Rev. 1:17). "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the First and the Last, who died and came to life’" (Rev. 2:8). "Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay every one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end" (Rev. 22:12–13). \n\nThis last quote is especially significant since it applies to Jesus the parallel title "the Alpha and the Omega," which Revelation earlier applied to the Lord God: "‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty" (Rev. 1:8).
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There is no such thing as the Trinity, This is largest lie that Satan uses to keep people from knowing who the True God is, if he can do this, he's got you.\n\n“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?\n\nJesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?\n\n1st of all Jesus said: He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. Joh 6:56, 57.\n\nJesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. (Ge 6:2, 4; Job 1:6) However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,\n\nJesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] . . . gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;\n\n\nRev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him, why did God have to give the revelation to Jesus, if he is God? . \n\nDoes the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty? Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)\n\nJohn 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”\n\n1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven. \n\nA person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.
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When a child is adopted by a non-blood related couple... does the child still call the new parents Father and Mother?\n\nWhen Jesus was a Child... I truly doubt that he would address Mary as ..." OI! Mary!" or Joseph as " Hey! Carpenter man!", he would address them both as their earth father and mother.\n\nIf calling Mary, "Mother" is good enough for Jesus, the very Prince of Heaven, why is it not good enough for others who follow his path? Unless of course they think they are better than Jesus Christ......