1.  Immigration Bill Grants Illegals In-state Tuition \n\nAfter the Senate Judiciary Committee approved and distributed a proposal for granting legal status to many undocumented aliens, conservatives were alarmed to discover that the 471-page bill makes illegal aliens eligible for in-state tuition costs. \n\nUnder the proposal, illegals could pay the low tuition charged students who attend state universities in their home state, while legal residents of the U.S. would still be required to pay the much higher costs charged students who attend schools outside their state, the Washington Times reports. \n\n"This means that while American citizens from Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, Massachusetts have to pay out-of-state tuition rates if they send their kids to the University of Virginia or the University of Alabama, people who have illegally immigrated into the country do not," said Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala. \n\n"How much sense does that make, to have people here illegally and they have more benefits than those who are here legally?" \n\nNine states allow illegal aliens to pay the in-state tuition rates, but the provision is under challenge in those states. \n\nIf the new bill passes "the American taxpayers will be forced to pay for illegal aliens to replace their own children in the limited seats in college," said William Gheen of Americans for Legal Immigration. \n\n"Professional polls in North Carolina show over 81 percent opposition to in-state tuition for illegal aliens. \n\n"It is bad enough the Senate is proposing guest worker amnesty. Now they want us to pay college tuition for illegal aliens!" \n\nSen. Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, supports the proposal, saying "it will free eligible students from the constant fear of deportation." \n\nBut Gheen declared: "It is a national tragedy the U.S. Senate is even considering giving these finite resources to foreign nationals that broke our laws." \n\nGheen said information on how Americans can tell lawmakers of their opposition to the proposal can be found at the group's Web site, http://www.alipac.us.
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yes, i know that. i wish the government would do something about it already.\n\ni know an illegal family from mexico. him and his sister collect ssi and medicaid. they are under fake names but i do not know how they are getting all of this.
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Sure.  On what topic?\n\nNet fiscal effects of unskilled immigration: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/bg1936.cfm\n\nCosts of illegal aliens:\nhttp://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060604/NEWS/60604001/1033/NEWS01\n\nSome impacts of the Senate Bill:\nhttp://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20060527-111535-8806r.htm\n\nMay 2005 order for Border Patrol to 'stand down' where Minutemen were so Minutemen wouldn't look effective: \nhttp://www.washtimes.com/national/20050513-122032-5055r.htm\n\nTrends in immigrant make up:\nhttp://www.cis.org/articles/2005/back1405.html\n\nMultiple links on government studies: \nhttp://usinfo.state.gov/eap/east_asia_pacific/chinese_human_smuggling/smuggling_in_the_press/impact_on_governments.html\n\nMore costs and impacts of illegal aliens:\nhttp://www.thevillagenews.com/story.asp?story_ID=6035\n\nDid you have any particular topic in mind?
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Our Senators said F.U. the American people.  I so agree with Godzilla.  Also think about this, how many more illegal women are thinking of getting knocked up while here as a guest worker.  They are supposed to go home after two years,  how are we going to make them go home if they have a bunch of American kids? We need to revoke that privilege if we are to curtail further illegal immigration. If an illegal alien has a child here, that child should be the nationality of the mother's home country.   They may start to think twice about coming here if we do that in conjunction with tighter security at the border, and making it a felony for an employer to knowingly hire illegals. We can't just have more border patrol agents because guess what, the word has already gone to Mexico and even more are going to come storm our border to nullify to new additions to the B.P.  What do we do now?
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Just send them back to where ever they came from.  Here are some reasons to take that approach:\n\nArizona is the temporary home of 500,000 illegal aliens. They cost Arizona taxpayers over $1 billion annually in services for schools, medical care, welfare anchor babies, loss of tax base and prisons. Illegals use those vehicles for smuggling more people and drugs from around the world into our country. When the vehicles are recovered, they are smashed-up wrecks in the desert. If not found, they have new owners south of the border as thieves drive the cars through the desert and into Mexico as easily as you drive your kids to soccer practice. \n\nIllegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars last year according to Harvard Professor George Borjas. American citizens: College and high school kids cannot find a summer job in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs. Why? Illegal aliens work them at a third the wage and often, under the table. \n\nNot only do young American not have jobs; their parents are paying taxes for illegal aliens who are not paying taxes. \n\nAnnually, 75 percent of drugs arrive from Mexico at a net cost of $120 billion hard currency that leaves our country for good. In addition, our tax dollars pay $80 billion for the War on Drugs each year. It is a war that hasn’t been won in the past 30 years and drugs are as available today to your teenager as they were in 1970. \n\n***When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons—not to mention TV, movies, weight rooms and other entertainment—they enjoy while being incarcerated.*** \n\nOver 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. The American taxpayer pays for food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. \n\nThe average head of household illegal alien costs you $2,700.00 in welfare money over and above any taxes he or she pays in their meager paying jobs. With 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in the USA, that figures exceeds $20 billion of your tax dollars. (Source: Center for Immigration Studies, August 2004) \n\nHow about the $56 billion in pure cash illegal migrants sent to their home countries last year and every year? That’s after their kids enjoyed free education, free lunches and free medical care paid for by you. \n\nMexico receives $15 billion annually from its worker drones. No wonder Vicente Fox sent us 9.2 million illegal alien Mexicans so far. \n\nThe lifetime net fiscal drain—taxes paid minus services used—for an adult immigrant is $55,200.00 according to Carrying Capacity Network. \n\nWith a minimum of 15 million illegal aliens in our country, these figures are the tip of the iceberg. Average bilingual education is $1,200.00 per illegal alien student. Get this! We educate 1.1 million illegal alien children each year. The American public has paid $27 billion to provide forms, ballots, interpreters and brochures for languages other than English in 2003. \n\nAn estimated one-third to one-half illegal aliens work off the books. It costs $200 million to provide for emergency health care for illegal aliens in the Border States annually. California with over three million illegals paid $79 million, and four of their major LA hospitals bankrupted and shut their doors in 2004. Texas with 1.5 million illegal aliens paid $74 million in hospital care. Georgia ran a $63 million deficit for 64,000 unpaid doctor visits to their Grady Health Care system in 2002. Georgia taxpayers paid $27 million for 11,188 anchor baby hospital births. Georgia taxpayers paid a whopping $242 million for educating illegal alien kids in 2003. \n\nWhat are the conseque
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This irritates me to no end.  Our citizenship and wellfare laws need to be changed.  If they can't get free money and citizenship for their kids they would stop coming here.  Also I support the minutemen even though I don't have the money to contribute.  I will be in Little Rock on May 7th with food for those who are in the caravan they have planned.
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did you even read the article\n\nit said "Proposed in 2001, The Student Adjustment Act, (HR-1918) would permit any high-school student illegally in the U.S. but with five years of good moral conduct to qualify for college financial aid including Pell Grants." \n\nIt never said it was passed. Besides you still cant go to college without a social security# plus you have to be accepted to college and even if it did pass financial aid only covers at most 1/2 of your tuition. if they cant pay the other 1/2 then they dont go anywhere
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I wonder how many nurses, teachers, or high-tech workers would work for $8 an hour. Wait, you didn't know that Bush's "guest worker" plan would be open to those people too?\nThat's what they have in mind. And, there would be no wage-related restrictions on it other than the minimum wage. So, employers could offer a teaching job for $8 an hour. American teachers would either take that rate or, more likely, they wouldn't. So, the employer could hire that "guest" worker from Bangladesh. The Bangladeshi would consider that a king's ransom. All the requirements of Bush's plan had been met: there wasn't an American willing to do the job.\nBush's plan would force millions of previously higher-wage jobs down near the minimum wage. What phrase would most Americans use to describe such a plan?\n\nWhat exactly does he mean by "families"? Will their immediate family come with them or not? If not, are we going to be able to split up families? Not all people coming here would be Mexicans or from the parts of Mexico near the border. Is Bush going to require men to travel hundreds of miles to see their immediate family?\nIf, however, they're bringing their immediate family with them, there will no doubt be hundreds of thousands of children born, and those children will be U.S. citizens. Who's going to be able to make them go home after they've had a U.S. citizen child? And, won't most "guest" workers intentionally have children here so it will be harder to make them go home?\nAnd, given that, doesn't this plan consist not just of an amnesty, but as a massive incentive for a huge chunk of Mexico's population to come here? Was any thought put into the consequences of this plan at all?\nNo, no guestworker program should take the place of following the law! This still allows the law-breaking illegals to go to the head of the line and disrupts the ability of legal immigrants to get their chance! Until such time as all able-bodied welfare recipients are put to work, all homeless people, all college and high school students have the chance to work, we don't need to import anyone to take our jobs! Stop pandering, stop giving handouts and stop lying to the American people!\n\nhow can an American be expected to do a job that has had the wage undercut by cheap illegal labor from Mexico? How will legalizing this cheap labor change that situation? Of course, it will not. In fact, it will only encourage more border crossing, which will result in more Mexican citizens and others living in the United States and having children who are U.S. citizens, and who are thus harder to deport when their “temporary” guest worker visas expire. Given the fraud, incompetence, and bureaucratic lethargy that mark most government programs, how can the public have any faith that such a plan would work even remotely as advertised? \n\n\n\n\nAll of these illegals will eventually stay, become voters, if the DNC has their way, their population will continue to grow and they will become a voting block that has NO interest in our language, history, military, or patriotism, only the $$$$ that are available will be the main interest.\nThat scenario is not totally here yet, but it is lingering in the future if our national course of extreme liberalism continues to erode the very fabric of our nation.\n\n\nWe only "need" illegal immigrants if we "need" to maintain a peasant class in the United States. I would strenuously argue that we don't - even if it means that a few amoral capitalists will be driven out of business and we have to pay a few cents more for our strawberries
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Absolutely not.  However, I am considered an unsympathetic party so maybe I shouldn't have an opinion. To take this question a step further should they be able to really have the opportunity to go to our schools?  Our healthcare?  Our tax payers dollars when they are here illegally?  Not to say I hate them or anything of the sort especially since I am related by marriage to some.  Seriously though since when should my dollars go to them in any form.
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It appears to be about controlling illegal immigrants, but its really about controlling Americans.  I think the bill is a bad idea. If freedom and democracy are so important to us Americans, why deny it to those less fortunate who are eager to work and contribute?  Criminals will come regardless, the rest deserve dignity and respect...and hospitality.  I believe Americans have the intelligence and resources...and heart to come up with a better idea...\n\nAmerica, bless God!
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I'd rather see no bill at all than the Senate bill.  They snuck in a rolling amnesty in a 10 year statute of limitations which would say that anyone who can get here and hide out for 10 years (or forge papers saying they have) will have amnesty. That treats the offense as just 'passing the border' rather than the ongoing pilfering of services they are not entitled to.\n\nIt is dishonest because there was this huge public debate on the amnesty about '5 years' and '2 to 5 years' and 'less than 2 years' yet they sneak this in with no discussion at all.  The Senate bill also gives social security benefits to people who STOLE social security card numbers from others. Any of us who did that would go to jail, not profit from the crime!\n\nI can't even get into all the problems.  The cumulative numbers of amnesty, the 1.5 million person annual agriculture guest worker program and the 200,000 other unskilled guest worker program, when multiplied by the ability to bring in their families has been calculated to add up to an additional 185 to 217 million poor immigrants in the next 20 years ABOVE our current rates and ABOVE illegals currently here.  That is about a 60% increase in the population of the United States.  They put in a cap on how many of those can be made permanent residents in a single year, but all of them and their families would be here using services.\n\nI want them to solve the hard problems, but ONLY if they do it right. \n\nI'd be ok with border security only, then let's figure out the rest.  If the Senate is really not just holding border security hostage for their own pet slave labor program, they should have to approve that sort of law.\n\nComprehensive isn't good if the law sucks.
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Well, I think that if the citizens of San Francisco sit back and allow this, then they deserve what they are going to get which is a huge influx of illegal immigrants into their city and all of the costs and damages that go along with it such as overburdening of the school system, the health care system, the social services system, police/corrections, etc.  Then, I hope they won't expect the Federal Government to come to their financial aid to support all of their newly acquired citizens.  Just wait and see how much they like it when word spreads amongst all of the illegals that they can get shelter and hassle-free living in San Francisco!
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It might sound good to an illegal criminal, but not to LEGAL USA Citizens:\nSenate Bill-- the rights illegals will get:\nCurrent Bill:\n\n1. grants amnesty to the MILLIONS of illegals already here!\n2.grants amnesty to illegals FAMILYS,who live OUTSIDE the country\n3.admits HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of unskilled "guest workers",through a new "guest worker" program,with a direct path to permanent resident and citizenship!\n4.admits 1.5 MILLION\nagricultural "guest workers" with a direct path to citizenship!\n5.increases the number of employment based, immigrants admitted to the U.S. each year,by 400%!!\n6.gives the Dept.of Homeland Insecurity,the discretion to waive fines for employers who knowingly hire illegals!!\n7.allows states to give ILLEGALS,in-state tuition benefits that they can DENY to citizens who live in other states!\n8.requires consultation with the MEXICAN government,before we begin construction of a fence along OUR border!\n9.creates new student visa programs,with direct path to citizenship!\n10.allows ILLEGALS to claim Social Security benefits,for work performed ILLEGALLY!!!!\n11. Adds a 10 year 'statute of limitations' to give amnesty to illegals coming in in the future if they provide documentation saying they were here for 10 years at any future point. (This to people who have been using false documents all along.)\n12. Each of the guest workers in each of the 1.5 million person PER YEAR and 200,000 unskilled person PER YEAR program would, upon obtaining residency or citizenship be able to bring their families as well. This includes indigent parents at a time when we already don't know how we will fund old age requirements for the baby boomers.\n\nThe Wall Street Journal just touted a poll saying Americans are beginning to prefer Bush and the Senate's view to immigration reform. However, I've read the questions they asked. Had I not actually read the Senate Bill and had I been asked those questions, I'd have ended up being counted as supporting Bush and the Senate in this. People only approve of the Senate Bill if they don't know what it says.\n\nThey are not looking out for legal American Citizens. They don't listen to us. They are listening to freeloading illegal immigrants. If enough of the voting legal population will get their heads out of their butts and let their senators and representatives know how they feel about this atrocity to the American people they just might start to listen to us. \nThe laws on illegal immigration are already on the books, they just need to ENFORCE THEM.\n***********Americans Need to Get Their Heads**********\n*********Out Of Their Butts And Pay Attention************\n\nCredit goes to: DAR and yars232c Y!A members
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An interesting assignment. I would be interested in seeing how that goes...\n\nI'm a Republican, and there's really not allot that stumps me. However, I WOULD ask for proof that a guest-worker bill is NOT amnesty by another name.
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Bravo Patriot... I have noticed this (particularly "defender of the hated") here and in almost all forums.\n\nDid you see the CNN town meeting on "Broken Borders"... the woman defending illegals wouldn't answer a question... she merely ran on in her prepared manifesto covering the standard points: the border crossed us, it's our land, your economy can't survive without our work... blah blah blah.\n\nI'm a Californian, and honestly have had no KNOWN contact with ILLEGAL immigrants of OTHER than Hispanic origin.  My Indian, Fijian, and Russian co-workers all have work-visa's (I'm their supervisor and have to know).  My comments are based on first-hand observation.\n\nYet while in the Navy I lived right on the border in San Ysidro... watched lllegal crossings night and day.  I couldn't report them... HONEST !!  My reports were REQUIRED to be ignored by INS /Border Patrol because my reporting would violate the illegals' rights due to "posse comitatus".\n\nI pay my high California taxes, and while in San Ysidro, my daughter had to go to a school 5 miles away because the school NEXT DOOR was reserved for ESL students !!  An investigation in 1992 found that 85% of those students had PO boxes or false addresses... and further investigation found that those students crossed the border back to mexico each day. On falsely obtained student ID !!\n\n230 students... and at the time, the State said it cost $30,000 per student per year... So that's 6.9 MILLION stolen from the tax-payers from ONE school.
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When I watched the news, they stated that this bill will make \n1) "illegal" immigration a felony, and anyone who helps an "illegal" immigrant will be charged with a crime.\n\nAn example was used by ASI, the student body goverment at my school, "If someone happens to take someone to the hostipital, that person who helped the illegal immigrant will be charged with a crime."\n\nTeachers, conselors, priests, strangers can all be accused for the crime of helping an "illegal" immigrant.\nFurthermore, government officials will also be unable to help the situation of illegal immigrants because they would be charged with a crime. \n\nASI also explained that if the bill passes,\n2) Children who are born in the US but have parents who are considered "illegal" immigrants will not be granted with their United States citizenship.\nRegardless of what side your are on in this issue, this is unconstituational because it is stated in our Fourteenth Amendment that U.S citizenship is granted to any individual who is born in this country\n\n3) Currently, border patrol and other immigrantion officials are the only ones who can arrest and deport "illegal" immigrants but now any official, such as police officers, can deport and arrest individuals who are "illegal".\n\n"Illegal" is the base word in immigrant that makes the whole situation biased. What is meant by "illegal immigrant"? A person who doesn't have papers to be in this country. \nIf I am correct, this country was founded by European "illegal" immigrants. Why is it okay for those immigrants, who first invaded this country, to not be properly refered as "illegal" immigrants and why did it become okay for them to stay here?
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Impact of amnesty proposals on Illegal Alien numbers \nhttp://www.theamericanresistance.com/ref/illegal_alien_numbers.html#amnesty\n\nOn January 9, 2004, President Bush proposed a guest worker program - a thinly veiled amnesty for illegal aliens\n. \nA February 29, 2004, Fox News article subsequently stated that from 50 percent to 90 percent of illegal aliens apprehended claimed they were coming here for the "amnesty" (their words). One Border Patrol officer stated that "They believe that they are only responding to an invitation." \nOfficial Border Patrol apprehension statistics show that total 2004 apprehensions as of June 30, 2004  represent  A 190 PERCENT INCREASE  over total 2003 apprehensions.\n\nIt is likely that in mid-2005 more than 20 million illegal aliens presently resided in the United States, with roughly 12,000 additional illegal aliens entering every day.\n\n"PRESIDENT" Bush Stated In His Speech The Other Day :\n\nWe are a nation of laws, and we must enforce our laws.\n\n(Then Why Havent We Enforced The Existing Immigration Laws) \n\nTHE FACT IS that there is already a federal statutory framework in place which specifically prohibits the hiring of illegal aliens, which provides record keeping rules to verify an employee’s work authorization and identity, and which provides for monetary sanctions (Fines)to be levied against employers who violate the provisions of the law.\n\nTHE FACT IS that the Bush Administration has had the responsibility for “cracking down on employers who hire illegal aliens” and has failed miserably to enforce existing “employer sanction” laws. \nCAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION \nHAS ALLOWED THE NUMBER OF FINES AGAINST EMPLOYERS WHO UNLAWFULLY HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS TO FALL FROM 400 IN 1999 TO ONLY THREE (3) IN 2004?\n\nTHE FACT IS that there are ALREADY laws on the books providing for the deportation of illegal aliens, whether they are simply here illegally, which, of course, is a crime in and of itself, or whether they have committed additional crimes as well.\n\nTHE FACT IS that the Bush Administration’s immigration policies, cannot be taken seriously as an advocate of strict enforcement of immigration laws. \n\nHe cannot be trusted to support or advance legislative measures to stop the flood of illegal aliens or secure our broken borders.
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obeirn1:  Fianlly someone with a brain on here.  I agree with you 100%.  Here is the trouble with this immigration debate, to much prejudices, and racisits trying to run the country.  Also some of these "haters" as I have so affectionatly called them, tend to go with what the neighbor says without investingating things themselves.  Like most things, when people jump to conclusions, this whole thing will turn out to blow up in the "haters" face.  People dont realize that it is not just "Mexicans" here illegally, and if you look at the problem more, you will se that it is actually our own Governement (INS policies) that prohibit the majority of these hispanics from gaining papers.  Look at it from their side, if your kids were starving would you not do what you had to do to feed them?  Now if you cant afford food, how on earth are you to afford thousands of dollars for papers, when the wages in countries like Mexico are 5 bucks a week....people just think they know all when they refuse to see the tarnish on the coin.  ~~To answer the question, I am ashamed that as a whole, americans think they are somehow better than the rest of the world!~~