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flexibility of of of the GDT. Um the two types of wraparounds, the the the byte level 2397.06s - 2402.06s | uh um address um like granularity that there is with it, no problem. Um and also with the how 2405.34s - 2411.40s | the MSRs can be accessed without any restriction. Uh that that's that's all good for attackers 2411.40s - 2416.42s | right? Um these things combined are what made this exploit approach possible. It might be 2417.42s - 2422.42s | on other exploit methods too. Um but yeah all of this of of course requires an in depth 2426.66s - 2431.46s | understanding of the architecture. And in the end we managed to exploit this without 2431.46s - 2437.00s | requiring physical presence. So that's very good. And yeah, exploit code will be released 2437.00s - 2441.90s | soon. So stay tuned for that. Questions? 2442.90s - 2456.31s | What is the question up there? Is there a microphone? Okay. Oh there's Christoph. 2462.18s - 2467.18s | Uh uh hello. Um it wasn't entirely clear to me. Is the spyflash chip you're referring to on 2470.76s - 2475.76s | the uh CPU die or is it external? External. Okay. Yes. Yep. Hi how are you? We were talking 2475.76s - 2480.76s | with Enrique that this is interesting also to bypass an anti-cheat system right? Uh in the 2485.10s - 2492.10s | video game industry. Um Playstation 5 runs on an MID chip. Uh is is is it also vulnerable or 2492.10s - 2497.10s | is it uh a different kind of chip and it doesn't affect it? Thank you. Um so I'm sorry if 2499.74s - 2504.98s | if I understood your question correctly was about bypassing uh anti-cheat systems uh using 2505.00s - 2510.00s | this method? No installing something to bypass uh the anti-cheat systems and uh uh. Once 2513.34s - 2518.34s | you achieve arbitrary code execution in SMM uh yeah pretty much uh like modern anti-cheat 2521.42s - 2527.26s | systems running uh either kernel or even maybe a hypervisor level could could run and and 2527.26s - 2532.26s | this this runs even below that. Does that make sense? Um but uh since uh MID has this 2532.74s - 2537.74s | closed the processors that are vulnerable to this attack it is the it is not disclosed in 2540.38s - 2545.38s


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External. Okay. Yes. Yep. Hi how are you? We were talking 2475.76s - 2480.76s | with Enrique that this is interesting also to bypass an anti-cheat system right? Uh in the 2485.10s - 2492.10s | video game industry. Um Playstation 5 runs on an MID chip. Uh is is is it also vulnerable or 2492.10s - 2497.10s | is it uh a different kind of chip and it doesn't affect it? Thank you. Um so I'm sorry if 2499.74s - 2504.98s | if I understood your question correctly was about bypassing uh anti-cheat systems uh using 2505.00s - 2510.00s | this method? No installing something to bypass uh the anti-cheat systems and uh uh. Once 2513.34s - 2518.34s | you achieve arbitrary code execution in SMM uh yeah pretty much uh like modern anti-cheat 2521.42s - 2527.26s | systems running uh either kernel or even maybe a hypervisor level could could run and and 2527.26s - 2532.26s | this this runs even below that. Does that make sense? Um but uh since uh MID has this 2532.74s - 2537.74s | closed the processors that are vulnerable to this attack it is the it is not disclosed in 2540.38s - 2545.38s | Playstation 5 which has MID. So that's what I was asking if maybe it's also yeah. Ah okay. 2553.43s - 2559.03s | But yeah I'm sorry I I don't know uh I I don't understand your question correctly. The the 2559.03s - 2564.03s | Playstation 5 hypervisor blocks the MSR. Oh. Uh if it's for that yes. The the yes. The 2565.43s - 2570.71s | we we check that. And it is being trapped by the hypervisor layer on the Playstation. Yes. 2570.71s - 2575.71s | Sorry. Hey thank you. Um quick question. Um why didn't disabling SMT prevent the system 2579.05s - 2584.05s | from becoming unstable? Uh yes. So the SMT when we try to disable it um essentially what 2586.25s - 2591.63s | happened is the other logical core will just not run but it still be there and it will be 2591.83s - 2595.87s | the all the entry points and uh will be already configured by the firmware if that makes 2595.87s - 2600.97s | sense. So when the SMI happens it was a level underneath I mean it won't you won't see the 2600.97s - 2608.01s | processor available at the OS level


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| Playstation 5 which has MID. So that's what I was asking if maybe it's also yeah. Ah okay. 2553.43s - 2559.03s | But yeah I'm sorry I I don't know uh I I don't understand your question correctly. The the 2559.03s - 2564.03s | Playstation 5 hypervisor blocks the MSR. Oh. Uh if it's for that yes. The the yes. The 2565.43s - 2570.71s | we we check that. And it is being trapped by the hypervisor layer on the Playstation. Yes. 2570.71s - 2575.71s | Sorry. Hey thank you. Um quick question. Um why didn't disabling SMT prevent the system 2579.05s - 2584.05s | from becoming unstable? Uh yes. So the SMT when we try to disable it um essentially what 2586.25s - 2591.63s | happened is the other logical core will just not run but it still be there and it will be 2591.83s - 2595.87s | the all the entry points and uh will be already configured by the firmware if that makes 2595.87s - 2600.97s | sense. So when the SMI happens it was a level underneath I mean it won't you won't see the 2600.97s - 2608.01s | processor available at the OS level but all all the layout and and and and and at at yeah at 2608.01s - 2612.75s | the deeper level the the logical core is still there if that makes sense. Yes it does. So we 2612.75s - 2620.17s | have to deal with that regardless. Yes we try it. Thank you. Hello. Do you know what uh 2620.23s - 2625.77s | changes AMD microcode update made? Um I'm sorry could you could you speak up louder? I'll say. 2625.77s - 2631.75s | Do you know what changes AMD microcode update made to mitigate this issue? Oh interesting 2631.75s - 2636.75s | question. Uh yes. Um no I mean officially we don't. Uh. Um what uh we don't. That's a long and 2636.75s - 2642.75s | short of it. Uh yes. Ok well if no more questions thank you so much for joining us today.


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{ "webpage_url": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHqDEMrqTjE", "title": "DEF CON 32 - Counter Deception: Defending Yourself in a World Full of Lies - Tom Cross, Greg Conti", "description": "The Internet was supposed to give us access to the world's information, so that people, everywhere, would be able to know the truth. But that\u2019s not how things worked out. Instead, we have a digital deception engine of global proportions. Nothing that comes through the screen can be trusted, and even the things that are technically true have been selected, massaged, and amplified in support of someone\u2019s messaging strategy.\n\nDeception isn\u2019t just about narratives - we see deception at every layer of the network stack, from spoofed electromagnetic signatures, to false flags in malware, to phony personas used to access networks and spread influence. They hide in our blindspots, exploit our biases, and fill our egos while manipulating our perceptions.\n\nHow do we decide what is real? This talk examines time-tested maxims that teach the craft of effective deception, and then inverts those offensive principles to provide defensive strategies. We\u2019ll explore ways to counter biases, triangulate information sources, detect narratives, and how hackers can build tools that can change the game.\n\nAt their best, hackers lift their heads up above the masses to see how the world actually works, not how it purports to work, and then take action to make the world a better place. You\u2019ll leave this talk with practical skills to do just that.", "channel_url": "https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Om9kAkl32dWlDSNlDS9Iw", "duration": 2574, "channel": "DEFCONConference", "uploader": "DEFCONConference", "upload_date": "20241022" } 0.14s - 5.62s | This text was transcribed using whisper model: large-v2 Good morning DEF CON. Thanks for coming out. I appreciate it. Uh we have two speakers this 5.62s - 11.08s | morning. Uh Tom Cross and Greg Conte and their talk is gonna be on deception and counter 11.08s - 13.46s | deception. Please give them a good DEF CON welcome. 13.46s - 26.71s | So uh good morning everyone. Thanks for uh making it out this morning. Um so we're uh 26.71s - 32.95s | we're excited about this talk. Um I uh I I've been coming to DEF CON you know since it got 32.95s - 40.03s | started and when uh you know early DEF CON uh you know at that time uh the internet was 40.03s - 45.99s | just beginning to become publicly available um to consumers right? And we were thinking 45.99s -


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above the masses to see how the world actually works, not how it purports to work, and then take action to make the world a better place. You\u2019ll leave this talk with practical skills to do just that.", "channel_url": "https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Om9kAkl32dWlDSNlDS9Iw", "duration": 2574, "channel": "DEFCONConference", "uploader": "DEFCONConference", "upload_date": "20241022" } 0.14s - 5.62s | This text was transcribed using whisper model: large-v2 Good morning DEF CON. Thanks for coming out. I appreciate it. Uh we have two speakers this 5.62s - 11.08s | morning. Uh Tom Cross and Greg Conte and their talk is gonna be on deception and counter 11.08s - 13.46s | deception. Please give them a good DEF CON welcome. 13.46s - 26.71s | So uh good morning everyone. Thanks for uh making it out this morning. Um so we're uh 26.71s - 32.95s | we're excited about this talk. Um I uh I I've been coming to DEF CON you know since it got 32.95s - 40.03s | started and when uh you know early DEF CON uh you know at that time uh the internet was 40.03s - 45.99s | just beginning to become publicly available um to consumers right? And we were thinking 45.99s - 49.63s | about you know what what how is the internet gonna affect society? Like how what is gonna 49.63s - 55.35s | happen right? Um and we were sort of imagining a world that we now live in today. And I think 55.35s - 60.35s | it's interesting to look back at how what we thought would happen and question you know 60.35s - 65.55s | sort of you know where we've ended up right? I think people in this community could see 65.55s - 71.75s | both the like promise and peril of the internet. Um I remember going to lunch at DEF CON going 71.75s - 76.99s | to a food court and everyone's paying with cash and we're thinking you know in the future 76.99s - 80.63s | we're probably gonna pay electronically for everything and a little record will be kept 80.63s - 84.53s | every time we buy something. And like it will create this model of our behavior and how 84.53s - 90.19s | will that get used against us right? Um but at the same time I think people were genuinely 90.19s - 94.63s | excited about the idea that everyone will


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49.63s | about you know what what how is the internet gonna affect society? Like how what is gonna 49.63s - 55.35s | happen right? Um and we were sort of imagining a world that we now live in today. And I think 55.35s - 60.35s | it's interesting to look back at how what we thought would happen and question you know 60.35s - 65.55s | sort of you know where we've ended up right? I think people in this community could see 65.55s - 71.75s | both the like promise and peril of the internet. Um I remember going to lunch at DEF CON going 71.75s - 76.99s | to a food court and everyone's paying with cash and we're thinking you know in the future 76.99s - 80.63s | we're probably gonna pay electronically for everything and a little record will be kept 80.63s - 84.53s | every time we buy something. And like it will create this model of our behavior and how 84.53s - 90.19s | will that get used against us right? Um but at the same time I think people were genuinely 90.19s - 94.63s | excited about the idea that everyone will have the world's knowledge at their fingertips 94.63s - 100.43s | right? And maybe that will make people a little smarter. It might up level humanity. Um and 100.43s - 106.03s | so as you know time has gone by and we've actually got all these capabilities and everyone's 106.03s - 113.11s | using them um you know there's certain facets of human nature that have come roaring forth 113.11s - 119.91s | uh and have a huge impact on how this stuff actually affects us. Uh I I think the part 119.91s - 124.19s | of the problem is that people don't come to the internet because they want to get smarter. 124.19s - 128.71s | They come to the internet because they want to be told that they're already smart. Um 128.71s - 132.95s | they seek validation right? Um and there's a lot of people who recognize this and they're 132.95s - 139.51s | in what I call the fun house mirror business. So they present you a world in which you're 139.51s - 144.59s | a good person. In which you should get what you want. And in which the people that you 144.59s - 149.31s


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have the world's knowledge at their fingertips 94.63s - 100.43s | right? And maybe that will make people a little smarter. It might up level humanity. Um and 100.43s - 106.03s | so as you know time has gone by and we've actually got all these capabilities and everyone's 106.03s - 113.11s | using them um you know there's certain facets of human nature that have come roaring forth 113.11s - 119.91s | uh and have a huge impact on how this stuff actually affects us. Uh I I think the part 119.91s - 124.19s | of the problem is that people don't come to the internet because they want to get smarter. 124.19s - 128.71s | They come to the internet because they want to be told that they're already smart. Um 128.71s - 132.95s | they seek validation right? Um and there's a lot of people who recognize this and they're 132.95s - 139.51s | in what I call the fun house mirror business. So they present you a world in which you're 139.51s - 144.59s | a good person. In which you should get what you want. And in which the people that you 144.59s - 149.31s | dislike we're gonna show you those people in the most negative light possible over and 149.31s - 156.15s | over again. Um and this world of view that is centered around you and why you're special 156.15s - 164.03s | um is highly compelling to people's egos. Um this is what we on some level mean by deception. 164.03s - 168.79s | And we find deception not just in the like narratives that appear on social media but 168.79s - 174.11s | also um at every level. Like in the phishing emails that people are getting. In the malware 174.11s - 180.95s | that's running on their computers. Um ultimately the internet has become this massive deception 180.95s - 187.59s | engine uh in which these uh false narratives are appearing at every level of abstraction 187.59s - 192.75s | um and you can't trust anything that you see in the screen. Um it's I think people have 192.75s - 197.75s | recognized this. They've recognized that the internet is not giving us what we wanted. 197.75s - 203.47s | It's not making us smarter. Uh and in fact um the theme of this year's DEF CON is is


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| dislike we're gonna show you those people in the most negative light possible over and 149.31s - 156.15s | over again. Um and this world of view that is centered around you and why you're special 156.15s - 164.03s | um is highly compelling to people's egos. Um this is what we on some level mean by deception. 164.03s - 168.79s | And we find deception not just in the like narratives that appear on social media but 168.79s - 174.11s | also um at every level. Like in the phishing emails that people are getting. In the malware 174.11s - 180.95s | that's running on their computers. Um ultimately the internet has become this massive deception 180.95s - 187.59s | engine uh in which these uh false narratives are appearing at every level of abstraction 187.59s - 192.75s | um and you can't trust anything that you see in the screen. Um it's I think people have 192.75s - 197.75s | recognized this. They've recognized that the internet is not giving us what we wanted. 197.75s - 203.47s | It's not making us smarter. Uh and in fact um the theme of this year's DEF CON is is 203.47s - 207.79s | how do we engage with the the internet that isn't giving us what we want? How do we make 207.79s - 214.27s | things better? Um so before I get into the overview of the talk um let me introduce us. 214.27s - 219.59s | Uh so my name's Tom. Uh I've been coming to DEF CON for a long time. Uh I've done a few 219.59s - 224.99s | social media projects over the years. My current uh project is called Feedseer. It's a news 224.99s - 229.35s | reader app for Mastodon. So uh it shows you the top links that have been posted on your 229.35s - 233.79s | feed in the past 24 hours and what people are saying about each link. Uh and um there's 233.79s - 238.47s | lots of InfoSec folks on Mastodon. Um I've also uh you know generally had a career in 238.47s - 244.15s | InfoSec and I've spoken at a lot of cons on information security uh topics. Often with 244.15s - 245.23s | this gentleman, Greg. 245.23s - 253.83s | Hi, I'm Greg Conte. Thank you for joining me here on Arrakis for DEF


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203.47s - 207.79s | how do we engage with the the internet that isn't giving us what we want? How do we make 207.79s - 214.27s | things better? Um so before I get into the overview of the talk um let me introduce us. 214.27s - 219.59s | Uh so my name's Tom. Uh I've been coming to DEF CON for a long time. Uh I've done a few 219.59s - 224.99s | social media projects over the years. My current uh project is called Feedseer. It's a news 224.99s - 229.35s | reader app for Mastodon. So uh it shows you the top links that have been posted on your 229.35s - 233.79s | feed in the past 24 hours and what people are saying about each link. Uh and um there's 233.79s - 238.47s | lots of InfoSec folks on Mastodon. Um I've also uh you know generally had a career in 238.47s - 244.15s | InfoSec and I've spoken at a lot of cons on information security uh topics. Often with 244.15s - 245.23s | this gentleman, Greg. 245.23s - 253.83s | Hi, I'm Greg Conte. Thank you for joining me here on Arrakis for DEF CON 32. Um my background 255.27s - 260.59s | is uh I was long term faculty at West Point where I ran their cybersecurity research and 260.59s - 267.59s | education programs. Also worked at NSA twice and US Cyber Command twice. Um and then I've 267.75s - 272.99s | developed and taught the information operations course at Black Hat Training 7 years ago and 272.99s - 277.59s | been running it uh since there and in private sessions and also run the military strategy 277.59s - 282.27s | and tactics for cybersecurity course for 10 years. Same deal. Thanks Tom. 282.27s - 286.75s | Oh and Greg and I are teaching a class on adversarial thinking at DEF CON training after 286.75s - 293.23s | DEF CON is over. If you guys want more Vegas. Um so uh what are we gonna cover in this talk? 293.23s - 297.03s | Um the first thing we're gonna do is we're gonna tap into some of Greg's deep expertise 297.03s - 301.51s | with military doctrine and thinking. Militaries have been thinking about conflict for hundreds 301.51s - 307.71s | of years um and deception in particular is an area where


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CON 32. Um my background 255.27s - 260.59s | is uh I was long term faculty at West Point where I ran their cybersecurity research and 260.59s - 267.59s | education programs. Also worked at NSA twice and US Cyber Command twice. Um and then I've 267.75s - 272.99s | developed and taught the information operations course at Black Hat Training 7 years ago and 272.99s - 277.59s | been running it uh since there and in private sessions and also run the military strategy 277.59s - 282.27s | and tactics for cybersecurity course for 10 years. Same deal. Thanks Tom. 282.27s - 286.75s | Oh and Greg and I are teaching a class on adversarial thinking at DEF CON training after 286.75s - 293.23s | DEF CON is over. If you guys want more Vegas. Um so uh what are we gonna cover in this talk? 293.23s - 297.03s | Um the first thing we're gonna do is we're gonna tap into some of Greg's deep expertise 297.03s - 301.51s | with military doctrine and thinking. Militaries have been thinking about conflict for hundreds 301.51s - 307.71s | of years um and deception in particular is an area where they have um identified maxims 307.71s - 313.67s | that teach you how to craft effective deceptions. So we're gonna talk about how to uh to do 313.67s - 318.39s | deception effectively. Um and then we're gonna flip the coin over and ask well if we 318.39s - 324.35s | understand offense really well what does that teach us about defense? Um are there counter 324.35s - 331.15s | deception principles that we can derive uh that uh tell us how to uh fight deception? 331.15s - 336.77s | And um the the deception and counter deception principles we're gonna cover are they're useful 336.77s - 340.91s | in any context where this could be occurring. It could be useful for malware attribution 340.95s - 346.75s | or in a security operations context. Um but you know this year's DEF CON is about engaging 346.75s - 351.19s | with the internet um and so we're gonna spend the third part of the talk um trying to apply 351.19s - 356.19s | some of these counter deception maxims and ask what sort of capabilities um you know is the 356.19s - 362.73s | internet lacking that might be useful or


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they have um identified maxims 307.71s - 313.67s | that teach you how to craft effective deceptions. So we're gonna talk about how to uh to do 313.67s - 318.39s | deception effectively. Um and then we're gonna flip the coin over and ask well if we 318.39s - 324.35s | understand offense really well what does that teach us about defense? Um are there counter 324.35s - 331.15s | deception principles that we can derive uh that uh tell us how to uh fight deception? 331.15s - 336.77s | And um the the deception and counter deception principles we're gonna cover are they're useful 336.77s - 340.91s | in any context where this could be occurring. It could be useful for malware attribution 340.95s - 346.75s | or in a security operations context. Um but you know this year's DEF CON is about engaging 346.75s - 351.19s | with the internet um and so we're gonna spend the third part of the talk um trying to apply 351.19s - 356.19s | some of these counter deception maxims and ask what sort of capabilities um you know is the 356.19s - 362.73s | internet lacking that might be useful or might help us defend ourselves against uh deception 362.73s - 369.21s | that we're facing? So um why are we talking to you guys about this? Like why is this relevant? 369.21s - 376.31s | I think you you know hackers have the ability to identify fuckery better than like a lot of you 376.31s - 382.09s | know general people. So you guys have a unique talent at that. Uh and uh um you know I I 382.09s - 386.53s | also you know I mean I I listened to Cory Doctorow's talk last year which inspired this 386.53s - 392.09s | year's theme and his talk yesterday. Um it's he's engaged in a very important discussion 392.09s - 398.17s | about like policy issues um and uh I I think you know what I do is I write code and I break 398.17s - 404.47s | code um and I wanna talk about you know how I can apply those skills uh um to engage with 404.47s - 410.01s | this problem as well. So um you know hopefully uh um you you know we we we add to the discussion 410.01s - 418.71s | a a new


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might help us defend ourselves against uh deception 362.73s - 369.21s | that we're facing? So um why are we talking to you guys about this? Like why is this relevant? 369.21s - 376.31s | I think you you know hackers have the ability to identify fuckery better than like a lot of you 376.31s - 382.09s | know general people. So you guys have a unique talent at that. Uh and uh um you know I I 382.09s - 386.53s | also you know I mean I I listened to Cory Doctorow's talk last year which inspired this 386.53s - 392.09s | year's theme and his talk yesterday. Um it's he's engaged in a very important discussion 392.09s - 398.17s | about like policy issues um and uh I I think you know what I do is I write code and I break 398.17s - 404.47s | code um and I wanna talk about you know how I can apply those skills uh um to engage with 404.47s - 410.01s | this problem as well. So um you know hopefully uh um you you know we we we add to the discussion 410.01s - 418.71s | a a new dimension. Um so uh Greg let's talk about deception. So deception's been around 419.09s - 424.99s | for millennia and the key idea is that it's the act of hiding the truth to get yourself 424.99s - 431.69s | an advantage. And what you're trying to do is influence your target to make an incorrect 431.69s - 438.47s | decision, right? Or to take an action that you want or fail to take an action all to your 438.47s - 445.23s | advantage. And we've seen examples from our five legged Trojan horse AI uh generative AI 445.23s - 451.01s | delivers when you need a five legged Trojan horse. Um to the civil war where people painted 451.03s - 456.03s | logs black to create the to try and fake cannons. To the um Cuban missile crisis hiding 459.61s - 464.61s | medium range ballistic missiles and concealing them in uh ships. To the uh Persian Gulf War 467.01s - 473.25s | where the invading Iraqis were concerned about an attack by the sea by the marines and 473.25s - 479.29s | instead were surprised by an attack by land from the opposite direction. We see it in the


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dimension. Um so uh Greg let's talk about deception. So deception's been around 419.09s - 424.99s | for millennia and the key idea is that it's the act of hiding the truth to get yourself 424.99s - 431.69s | an advantage. And what you're trying to do is influence your target to make an incorrect 431.69s - 438.47s | decision, right? Or to take an action that you want or fail to take an action all to your 438.47s - 445.23s | advantage. And we've seen examples from our five legged Trojan horse AI uh generative AI 445.23s - 451.01s | delivers when you need a five legged Trojan horse. Um to the civil war where people painted 451.03s - 456.03s | logs black to create the to try and fake cannons. To the um Cuban missile crisis hiding 459.61s - 464.61s | medium range ballistic missiles and concealing them in uh ships. To the uh Persian Gulf War 467.01s - 473.25s | where the invading Iraqis were concerned about an attack by the sea by the marines and 473.25s - 479.29s | instead were surprised by an attack by land from the opposite direction. We see it in the 479.51s - 484.51s | Russia-Ukraine conflict. The Ghost of Kiev uh which was a mythical fighter pilot ace fighter 487.65s - 493.15s | pilot fighting the Russian aggressors over the city which was later you know proved to be a 493.15s - 500.59s | deception operation. So we've seen this uh for millennia. And when we think about the 500.59s - 506.23s | targets of deception humans are the first come first to mind. And you uh you know in 506.75s - 511.75s | information security users uh you know things like phishing, typosquatting, domain mimicry, 513.29s - 518.29s | spoofed login pages. But also experts, think malware analysts, false flags, fileless 520.17s - 525.17s | malware, deceptive metadata, um let's uh code injection, rotating command and control 527.61s - 533.27s | infrastructure. So specialists can be targets for deception as well. But more than that 533.29s - 538.05s | it's not just the humans it's our code. So our code think malware detect uh detection 538.05s - 543.83s | systems. People try and deceive that through fileless malware, polymorphic malware, 543.83s - 548.83s | rotating command and control infrastructure. And as we move into the era of AI, AI


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479.51s - 484.51s | Russia-Ukraine conflict. The Ghost of Kiev uh which was a mythical fighter pilot ace fighter 487.65s - 493.15s | pilot fighting the Russian aggressors over the city which was later you know proved to be a 493.15s - 500.59s | deception operation. So we've seen this uh for millennia. And when we think about the 500.59s - 506.23s | targets of deception humans are the first come first to mind. And you uh you know in 506.75s - 511.75s | information security users uh you know things like phishing, typosquatting, domain mimicry, 513.29s - 518.29s | spoofed login pages. But also experts, think malware analysts, false flags, fileless 520.17s - 525.17s | malware, deceptive metadata, um let's uh code injection, rotating command and control 527.61s - 533.27s | infrastructure. So specialists can be targets for deception as well. But more than that 533.29s - 538.05s | it's not just the humans it's our code. So our code think malware detect uh detection 538.05s - 543.83s | systems. People try and deceive that through fileless malware, polymorphic malware, 543.83s - 548.83s | rotating command and control infrastructure. And as we move into the era of AI, AI is also a 550.77s - 555.77s | deception target. Think poisoning the training data of the AI or jailbreaking techniques to 555.81s - 560.81s | overcome safeguards that people put in place. And deception can occur at all levels. It can 564.85s - 570.43s | occur at all levels of the network stack. It can also occur in thinking more broadly at the 570.43s - 575.43s | tactical operational and strategic level. Uh the tactical level you're actively deceiving 576.97s - 581.97s | someone you're engaged in conflict with. All the way up to strategic level where you try to 582.91s - 587.91s | hide your basic you know national objectives, your intentions, your strategies and your 587.91s - 592.61s | capabilities or put forth uh maybe to put forth an alternate reality that's more 592.61s - 597.63s | beneficial. So humans process data through this idea of the DIKW hierarchy. We begin with 601.63s - 606.63s | data and with by adding uh context we can create information, by adding meaning we can create 606.83s - 611.83s | knowledge and we can by adding insight we can create wisdom. Well deception can poison our 614.37s - 619.37s | ability


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is also a 550.77s - 555.77s | deception target. Think poisoning the training data of the AI or jailbreaking techniques to 555.81s - 560.81s | overcome safeguards that people put in place. And deception can occur at all levels. It can 564.85s - 570.43s | occur at all levels of the network stack. It can also occur in thinking more broadly at the 570.43s - 575.43s | tactical operational and strategic level. Uh the tactical level you're actively deceiving 576.97s - 581.97s | someone you're engaged in conflict with. All the way up to strategic level where you try to 582.91s - 587.91s | hide your basic you know national objectives, your intentions, your strategies and your 587.91s - 592.61s | capabilities or put forth uh maybe to put forth an alternate reality that's more 592.61s - 597.63s | beneficial. So humans process data through this idea of the DIKW hierarchy. We begin with 601.63s - 606.63s | data and with by adding uh context we can create information, by adding meaning we can create 606.83s - 611.83s | knowledge and we can by adding insight we can create wisdom. Well deception can poison our 614.37s - 619.37s | ability to you know by poisoning the data that we can have incorrect information, knowledge, 620.61s - 625.61s | wisdom that we think is entirely accurate. So deception poisons our ability to think. And it's a 629.59s - 634.59s | professional discipline uh deception. Uh what we have here, the orange document is a uh 636.69s - 641.69s | declassified CIA document uh that includes the deception maxims that we're going to uh be 644.39s - 648.63s | discussing. And also there are manuals like this is the Department of Defense joint 648.63s - 653.81s | publication on military deception. It comes out every few years updated. So this the key 653.81s - 658.81s | takeaway here is it's a professional discipline. And looking at some of the maxims, we're 661.25s - 664.61s | just going to run through these pretty quick and then we're going to flip them and show how 664.63s - 669.71s | you might counter. But one of the most important is it's easier to maintain a preexisting 669.71s - 675.31s | belief um in in your target than to force a change. Right? So if someone believes the world is 675.31s - 681.35s | flat you


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to you know by poisoning the data that we can have incorrect information, knowledge, 620.61s - 625.61s | wisdom that we think is entirely accurate. So deception poisons our ability to think. And it's a 629.59s - 634.59s | professional discipline uh deception. Uh what we have here, the orange document is a uh 636.69s - 641.69s | declassified CIA document uh that includes the deception maxims that we're going to uh be 644.39s - 648.63s | discussing. And also there are manuals like this is the Department of Defense joint 648.63s - 653.81s | publication on military deception. It comes out every few years updated. So this the key 653.81s - 658.81s | takeaway here is it's a professional discipline. And looking at some of the maxims, we're 661.25s - 664.61s | just going to run through these pretty quick and then we're going to flip them and show how 664.63s - 669.71s | you might counter. But one of the most important is it's easier to maintain a preexisting 669.71s - 675.31s | belief um in in your target than to force a change. Right? So if someone believes the world is 675.31s - 681.35s | flat you can help encourage them to continue thinking the world is flat. But if you want to have 681.35s - 689.90s | them think the world is round well that's much harder. So yeah I really think Magruder's 689.90s - 695.60s | principle is sort of the golden rule of deception. It speaks to this like fundamental aspect 695.62s - 699.96s | of human nature. Um you know say there's a politician you hate. There might be different 699.96s - 704.40s | answers in the room for who that person is but everyone hates some politician right? And if I 704.40s - 708.50s | walk up to you and I say well you know that politician you hate? Did you hear about the 708.50s - 713.94s | stupid thing they did this morning? Whatever I say next, whatever it is, you're going to 713.94s - 719.42s | believe it. Because it's aligned with what you already think and it feels good to be right. 719.48s - 726.24s | Um and so uh if if any of you have read um Asimov's Foundation series, he has a really 726.24s - 731.18s | good um model um I think of deception that he


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can help encourage them to continue thinking the world is flat. But if you want to have 681.35s - 689.90s | them think the world is round well that's much harder. So yeah I really think Magruder's 689.90s - 695.60s | principle is sort of the golden rule of deception. It speaks to this like fundamental aspect 695.62s - 699.96s | of human nature. Um you know say there's a politician you hate. There might be different 699.96s - 704.40s | answers in the room for who that person is but everyone hates some politician right? And if I 704.40s - 708.50s | walk up to you and I say well you know that politician you hate? Did you hear about the 708.50s - 713.94s | stupid thing they did this morning? Whatever I say next, whatever it is, you're going to 713.94s - 719.42s | believe it. Because it's aligned with what you already think and it feels good to be right. 719.48s - 726.24s | Um and so uh if if any of you have read um Asimov's Foundation series, he has a really 726.24s - 731.18s | good um model um I think of deception that he presents in those books. There are these 731.18s - 737.92s | robots that can manipulate people's emotions. Um and uh they they're constantly explaining 737.92s - 742.20s | that they can't radically change people's worldview. And the way that they function is 742.20s - 746.84s | by trying to understand what that person thinks and identify some specific belief that they 746.86s - 753.06s | have that they can emphasize or reinforce just enough to get that person to take an action 753.06s - 757.80s | that they might have otherwise not taken. And I I think that's a really good representation 757.80s - 768.58s | of like effective deception in a nutshell. So one of my favorites is the idea of exploiting 768.58s - 774.22s | the limits of human and machine sensing uh and information processing. So you think we 774.22s - 780.12s | have as humans have senses right? And that are limited and like known parameters of what 780.12s - 785.72s | we can uh sense. And we have limitations in our ability to process information. Machines 785.72s - 790.36s | do the same. They have sensors and they have information processing. So if you can


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presents in those books. There are these 731.18s - 737.92s | robots that can manipulate people's emotions. Um and uh they they're constantly explaining 737.92s - 742.20s | that they can't radically change people's worldview. And the way that they function is 742.20s - 746.84s | by trying to understand what that person thinks and identify some specific belief that they 746.86s - 753.06s | have that they can emphasize or reinforce just enough to get that person to take an action 753.06s - 757.80s | that they might have otherwise not taken. And I I think that's a really good representation 757.80s - 768.58s | of like effective deception in a nutshell. So one of my favorites is the idea of exploiting 768.58s - 774.22s | the limits of human and machine sensing uh and information processing. So you think we 774.22s - 780.12s | have as humans have senses right? And that are limited and like known parameters of what 780.12s - 785.72s | we can uh sense. And we have limitations in our ability to process information. Machines 785.72s - 790.36s | do the same. They have sensors and they have information processing. So if you can exploit 790.36s - 794.96s | those limits for example uh think self-driving cars. There's been some really interesting 794.96s - 799.26s | talks that you can exploit the sensing and processing of a self-driving car and make 799.26s - 804.92s | it think see things that aren't there. Uh in a heist movie uh where there's usually 804.92s - 811.82s | a motion sensor and someone moves really really slowly to slip past the motion sensor. 811.82s - 818.26s | That kind of thing. And a variation of that is here's a picture of an inflatable tank 818.26s - 824.68s | from Ghost Army uh in World War II. It was a group of creatives uh and they were a formal 824.68s - 830.54s | deception unit. And it's their ability to create inflatable tanks and fake enemy or 830.54s - 836.84s | fake troop uh emplacements uh was because the capabilities of the time to sense what 836.84s - 841.28s | was you know sense the environment. These tanks looked real from a distance. Now they'd 841.28s - 848.28s | be uh they'd obviously be not. Um then uh the third maxim is uh Jones's dilemma when 848.64s -


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854.16s | uh the idea is that in this competitive information environment of competing narratives that if 854.16s - 858.84s | you're going to try and deceive someone and you're you have to ideally have more false 858.84s - 865.84s | sources than real. So it's this battle of uh quantity and quality of of competing narratives. 867.50s - 873.38s | Another strategy is the idea that you want to carefully uh create a story. That you don't 873.38s - 877.98s | just have single data points but you're putting puzzle pieces out there for the deception 877.98s - 883.14s | target to connect together that tell the story that you want that you're trying to uh to 883.20s - 890.20s | portray. Uh another is the idea of carefully designed um planned placement of deceptive 890.84s - 897.68s | material. The idea is you want to make your target work for it. If you if uh think if 897.68s - 903.66s | you wanted to have a fake diary in in your room right? If you leave it on their desk 903.66s - 910.12s | that that is an obvious place and that could be like your um that probably what you want 910.12s - 915.24s | to do is make it hard. Have a lock on it. Have it hidden in a ventilation duct. Have 915.24s - 920.82s | it written in code. By the time they find that and they've unpacked all that then they 920.82s - 926.04s | think this has absolutely got to be the real diary. And we see that in malware as well 926.04s - 930.38s | right? That's certainly a strategy. If you make them work for it people will be more 930.38s - 935.22s | likely to believe it. The flip side of this is an orgy of evidence where things are you 935.22s - 942.96s | know many incriminating things are obviously found. Well that should raise suspicions. 942.96s - 947.70s | So yeah Olympic Destroyer is a really good example of the use of of some of these techniques 947.70s - 953.24s | in order to fool malware analysts as to attribution. Doing attribution on IOCs is fraught with 953.24s - 959.40s | risk as with respect to uh you know the manufacturing of those IOCs. Um in this case uh there was 959.40s - 963.88s | a rich


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probably what you want 910.12s - 915.24s | to do is make it hard. Have a lock on it. Have it hidden in a ventilation duct. Have 915.24s - 920.82s | it written in code. By the time they find that and they've unpacked all that then they 920.82s - 926.04s | think this has absolutely got to be the real diary. And we see that in malware as well 926.04s - 930.38s | right? That's certainly a strategy. If you make them work for it people will be more 930.38s - 935.22s | likely to believe it. The flip side of this is an orgy of evidence where things are you 935.22s - 942.96s | know many incriminating things are obviously found. Well that should raise suspicions. 942.96s - 947.70s | So yeah Olympic Destroyer is a really good example of the use of of some of these techniques 947.70s - 953.24s | in order to fool malware analysts as to attribution. Doing attribution on IOCs is fraught with 953.24s - 959.40s | risk as with respect to uh you know the manufacturing of those IOCs. Um in this case uh there was 959.40s - 963.88s | a rich header in a binary uh that uh you know captures information about the developer's 963.88s - 968.24s | environment and they they literally copied a rich header from a Lazarus sample and put 968.24s - 973.44s | it in their their sample. Um and so someone who knows rich headers and like uh has a collection 973.44s - 978.68s | of them and knows that they can be used to uh you know attribute malware might find this 978.68s - 982.72s | and you know be excited that they connected the dots right? And so now they're emotionally 982.72s - 986.88s | invested in the idea that this is true. Um and uh you know they they go out with this 986.88s - 990.16s | narrative and it turns out that in fact in this case the rich header didn't match the 990.16s - 997.04s | rest of the binary and uh the attribution was completely deceptive. Um so again uh uh 997.04s - 1001.68s | you know avoid uh if you're trying to protect yourself against deception situations where 1001.68s - 1008.63s | you're emotionally invested in the consequences of your work. 1008.63s - 1015.19s | So I particularly


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header in a binary uh that uh you know captures information about the developer's 963.88s - 968.24s | environment and they they literally copied a rich header from a Lazarus sample and put 968.24s - 973.44s | it in their their sample. Um and so someone who knows rich headers and like uh has a collection 973.44s - 978.68s | of them and knows that they can be used to uh you know attribute malware might find this 978.68s - 982.72s | and you know be excited that they connected the dots right? And so now they're emotionally 982.72s - 986.88s | invested in the idea that this is true. Um and uh you know they they go out with this 986.88s - 990.16s | narrative and it turns out that in fact in this case the rich header didn't match the 990.16s - 997.04s | rest of the binary and uh the attribution was completely deceptive. Um so again uh uh 997.04s - 1001.68s | you know avoid uh if you're trying to protect yourself against deception situations where 1001.68s - 1008.63s | you're emotionally invested in the consequences of your work. 1008.63s - 1015.19s | So I particularly like this one uh Maxim 6A, 6B. There are two sides of the same coin. 1015.19s - 1021.55s | The first is ambiguity. So the idea is you want to increase doubt in the person's mind, 1021.55s - 1026.67s | in your target's mind by providing many possible truths. Okay? Makes sense? They're they they're 1026.67s - 1031.67s | uncertain. There's this cloud of uncertainty. The flip side of that is you want to decrease 1031.67s - 1038.39s | doubt and focus the target on a particular um falsehood. So you want them instead of 1038.39s - 1045.31s | being in a sea of doubt, you want them absolutely positively sure that they're right uh or that 1045.31s - 1050.31s | they're sure about this falsehood. They think that they you know that it's true. Another 1050.31s - 1057.59s | idea is that in in professionalized deception that there's the idea of husbanding deception 1057.59s - 1062.75s | assets. That there are always limited resources. You need to save them for the time and at 1062.75s - 1068.43s | the best time and the best place to be effective. You can see that in cyber in uh information 1068.43s -


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1073.91s | security capabilities O day. Right? Uh but imagine if you had the ability to place deceptive 1073.91s - 1080.67s | material on a web server. You can't if you use it you're using that capability uh and 1080.67s - 1084.51s | you might not be able to use it again. So you save these for the time and place you 1084.51s - 1090.39s | think will be most effective. Uh maxim eight is the idea of feedback. In a professional 1090.39s - 1097.43s | uh deception operation organization the attackers are monitoring their target audience looking 1097.43s - 1103.55s | for feedback that the deception has been believed. And they are also so they want that feedback 1103.67s - 1108.51s | loop. Uh and they're also monitoring their friendly organization to see if they are being 1108.51s - 1116.92s | deceived. All right so now that we've talked a little bit about the principles of effective 1116.92s - 1121.96s | deception let's flip the coin over and talk about how you practice counter deception. 1121.96s - 1129.24s | Um so uh um at a high level I think there are four um general ways to counter deception. 1129.24s - 1133.72s | One is through intelligence collection. So if you're actually monitoring your adversary 1133.72s - 1137.32s | and just watching them create their deception then you know exactly what they're doing and 1137.32s - 1142.36s | why they're doing it and what the truth is. Right? Um and the U.S. Cyber Command has this 1142.36s - 1148.20s | defend forward uh um uh uh concept which has to do with like just going out and directly 1148.20s - 1151.72s | spying on the people that are committing the acts so that you know exactly what they're up to. 1151.72s - 1156.84s | Um another thing you could do not we don't always have intelligence capabilities um is 1156.84s - 1162.68s | disruption. Um if uh so we talked about husbanding assets if uh you know someone has to go to a 1162.68s - 1168.92s | certain effort to inject um deceptive narratives um you know in places and and you can take action 1168.92s - 1173.88s | to to interfere with their capabilities um then that prevents them from being successful. 1173.88s - 1177.56s | Um a simple example is like if they have to build a botnet


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you believe. Um and uh you have to have the discipline to do that and 1230.36s - 1235.16s | that's one of the hardest things about it. Um but uh you know if you have a belief or 1235.16s - 1241.16s | intelligence related conclusion and there's a set of um facts that underpin that belief 1241.16s - 1246.04s | you can look at each of those facts and ask yourself how hard would it be for my adversary 1246.04s - 1251.64s | to simulate that fact? Am I am how many ways have I measured that? Um you know like is it 1251.64s - 1257.48s | possible to fake that? Uh and um you know even in malware attribution you know a rich header is easy 1257.48s - 1262.52s | to fake. Uh you know maybe uh you know could they get access to a particular source IP address or 1262.52s - 1269.00s | how hard would that be uh for them to to simulate in order to fool me? Right? Um so let's talk about 1269.00s - 1273.88s | some of the deception maxims and I'm gonna sort of flip them around and um and create counter 1273.88s - 1278.68s | deception maxims based on them and I kind of organized them into categories. So the first 1278.68s - 1287.24s | category uh is um maxims that suggest when deception may be present. So your human intuition 1287.24s - 1292.60s | is both an asset and a liability when you're dealing with deception. This is the context where 1292.60s - 1299.16s | it's an asset. You want to develop a kind of spidey sense that tells you things aren't quite right 1299.16s - 1306.28s | here. It this looks fishy and that might prompt you to dig deeper um and explore the hypothesis 1306.28s - 1310.44s | that what you're seeing might be a deception. Um so for example we've talked about carefully 1310.44s - 1317.48s | sequencing um events to tell a story so it builds up in the target's mind. Um so flip that over, 1317.48s - 1321.24s | what happens if there's all kinds of evidence that gets disclosed all at once? If you find 1321.24s - 1326.44s | the diary sitting out on a table where it shouldn't be um you know that might be a sign to you 1326.44s - 1331.48s | that


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like hey someone's trying to you know manipulate me that the this is this is possibly 1331.48s - 1337.96s | deceptive right. Um so the the person operating the deception must either do ambiguity or 1337.96s - 1342.76s | misdirection and in each case we can try to counter that right. So if they're engaged in 1342.76s - 1348.60s | the ambiguity deception there's going to be a lot of narratives that are available right and if you 1348.60s - 1353.88s | see multiple narratives then that might be a sign uh that deception is taking place. That some of 1353.88s - 1357.72s | these narratives are simulated um that was certainly the case with Olympic Destroyer. 1357.72s - 1361.96s | There were a bunch of organizations that had different attribution that they were publishing 1361.96s - 1367.16s | um and and that's because the malware was intentionally sort of misleading analysts 1367.16s - 1373.16s | into thinking that that that different narratives were correct. Um misdirection in a misdirection 1373.16s - 1377.48s | deception the attacker is trying to get you to believe a particular thing which is false 1378.12s - 1383.08s | and so um if you analyze it carefully perhaps you can discover that it's not true. 1384.20s - 1389.48s | The the plus minus rule is this idea that nothing that is an imitation or a simulation can be 1389.48s - 1394.84s | exactly the same as the real thing otherwise it is real and so identifying those characteristics 1394.84s - 1401.96s | which are added or removed from the uh from the thing it helps you identify that it is deceptive 1401.96s - 1406.04s | and again you have to have the discipline to say okay this isn't right it's incongruent and 1406.04s - 1414.63s | therefore I must accept that it is not real. The place where your human intuition operates against 1414.63s - 1419.67s | you has to do with mental discipline. Humans are really good at jumping to conclusions based on 1419.67s - 1423.67s | not necessarily enough evidence. We kind of have to do that in order to function in the 1423.67s - 1430.07s | complicated civilization that we have but um you know that's how uh deceptive deceptive operations 1430.07s - 1434.23s | get you and so you kind of have to have the discipline to slow down and not


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it carefully perhaps you can discover that it's not true. 1384.20s - 1389.48s | The the plus minus rule is this idea that nothing that is an imitation or a simulation can be 1389.48s - 1394.84s | exactly the same as the real thing otherwise it is real and so identifying those characteristics 1394.84s - 1401.96s | which are added or removed from the uh from the thing it helps you identify that it is deceptive 1401.96s - 1406.04s | and again you have to have the discipline to say okay this isn't right it's incongruent and 1406.04s - 1414.63s | therefore I must accept that it is not real. The place where your human intuition operates against 1414.63s - 1419.67s | you has to do with mental discipline. Humans are really good at jumping to conclusions based on 1419.67s - 1423.67s | not necessarily enough evidence. We kind of have to do that in order to function in the 1423.67s - 1430.07s | complicated civilization that we have but um you know that's how uh deceptive deceptive operations 1430.07s - 1434.23s | get you and so you kind of have to have the discipline to slow down and not listen to 1434.23s - 1439.83s | sometimes to your intuition. Um so this is Magruder's principle is is the the biggest one 1439.83s - 1445.43s | here. It's important to apply the same critical analysis to facts that support your assumptions 1445.43s - 1449.03s | that you do to facts that challenge them and that's really hard for people to do. 1450.23s - 1454.55s | You know also with respect to carefully designed placement of deceptive material don't assume the 1454.55s - 1459.27s | fact is true just because you had to work hard to get it. Ask yourself could the adversary have 1459.27s - 1464.87s | simulated that. I love this quote from a book on professional counter deception operations. 1465.83s - 1472.95s | The vulnerable mind fits ambiguous information to its own preconceptions and expectations. 1472.95s - 1476.47s | I think that's a really clear statement of vulnerability to deception. 1480.66s - 1486.98s | So humans are not that complicated which part of the problem right. Psychologists have been studying 1486.98s - 1493.70s | uh biases in humans for for hundreds of years and I have a list of examples here and if you're 1493.70s - 1499.70s |


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listen to 1434.23s - 1439.83s | sometimes to your intuition. Um so this is Magruder's principle is is the the biggest one 1439.83s - 1445.43s | here. It's important to apply the same critical analysis to facts that support your assumptions 1445.43s - 1449.03s | that you do to facts that challenge them and that's really hard for people to do. 1450.23s - 1454.55s | You know also with respect to carefully designed placement of deceptive material don't assume the 1454.55s - 1459.27s | fact is true just because you had to work hard to get it. Ask yourself could the adversary have 1459.27s - 1464.87s | simulated that. I love this quote from a book on professional counter deception operations. 1465.83s - 1472.95s | The vulnerable mind fits ambiguous information to its own preconceptions and expectations. 1472.95s - 1476.47s | I think that's a really clear statement of vulnerability to deception. 1480.66s - 1486.98s | So humans are not that complicated which part of the problem right. Psychologists have been studying 1486.98s - 1493.70s | uh biases in humans for for hundreds of years and I have a list of examples here and if you're 1493.70s - 1499.70s | wondering the prompt was humans swimming in a sea of piranha that was the prompt that gave us that. 1500.82s - 1507.30s | But I wanted to highlight two. One is the idea of selection bias and just one instance of selection 1507.30s - 1515.38s | bias is where you can choose from a variety of facts truths to paint a picture but you don't 1515.38s - 1519.70s | share all the truths you're just selecting certain truths and I think we see that in many news 1519.70s - 1525.94s | agencies today. A lot of what they say is true but which ones they choose paint a picture. So 1525.94s - 1532.26s | that's selection bias. Confirmation bias sounds a lot like McGruder's principle. The idea that 1533.14s - 1539.46s | we are biased toward things that already can reinforce our preconceived beliefs. 1543.20s - 1551.20s | So the third set is maxims that suggest methods of preventing deception. So the two maxims that 1551.20s - 1556.00s | have to do with the limits of human and machine sensing and information processing like speak to 1556.00s - 1562.32s | the need to be able to measure reality from multiple


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wondering the prompt was humans swimming in a sea of piranha that was the prompt that gave us that. 1500.82s - 1507.30s | But I wanted to highlight two. One is the idea of selection bias and just one instance of selection 1507.30s - 1515.38s | bias is where you can choose from a variety of facts truths to paint a picture but you don't 1515.38s - 1519.70s | share all the truths you're just selecting certain truths and I think we see that in many news 1519.70s - 1525.94s | agencies today. A lot of what they say is true but which ones they choose paint a picture. So 1525.94s - 1532.26s | that's selection bias. Confirmation bias sounds a lot like McGruder's principle. The idea that 1533.14s - 1539.46s | we are biased toward things that already can reinforce our preconceived beliefs. 1543.20s - 1551.20s | So the third set is maxims that suggest methods of preventing deception. So the two maxims that 1551.20s - 1556.00s | have to do with the limits of human and machine sensing and information processing like speak to 1556.00s - 1562.32s | the need to be able to measure reality from multiple perspectives. You know and think about 1562.32s - 1566.88s | this on in a technical sense if you if you're in a security operations function and you have sensors 1566.88s - 1571.92s | out there that like look at your network you know if there's only one kind of a particular sensor 1571.92s - 1577.12s | then that sensor could be its data source could be manipulated it could be be presented with false 1577.12s - 1582.08s | facts. If you've got multiple ways of looking at the situation then it gets harder and harder for 1582.08s - 1585.84s | the person that's operating the deception to fool all of the sensors that you have. 1587.44s - 1592.56s | With respect to husbanding deception assets again deception operations professional ones 1592.56s - 1598.48s | involve effort and resources and if you can disrupt and target those capabilities then you 1598.48s - 1604.16s | can undermine the ability for them to be successful. Feedback is also interesting. A professional 1604.16s - 1608.64s | deception operation is going to be watching you to determine how you behave. You may choose to 1608.64s - 1612.48s | behave as if the deception was effective


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perspectives. You know and think about 1562.32s - 1566.88s | this on in a technical sense if you if you're in a security operations function and you have sensors 1566.88s - 1571.92s | out there that like look at your network you know if there's only one kind of a particular sensor 1571.92s - 1577.12s | then that sensor could be its data source could be manipulated it could be be presented with false 1577.12s - 1582.08s | facts. If you've got multiple ways of looking at the situation then it gets harder and harder for 1582.08s - 1585.84s | the person that's operating the deception to fool all of the sensors that you have. 1587.44s - 1592.56s | With respect to husbanding deception assets again deception operations professional ones 1592.56s - 1598.48s | involve effort and resources and if you can disrupt and target those capabilities then you 1598.48s - 1604.16s | can undermine the ability for them to be successful. Feedback is also interesting. A professional 1604.16s - 1608.64s | deception operation is going to be watching you to determine how you behave. You may choose to 1608.64s - 1612.48s | behave as if the deception was effective because you don't want the deceiver to know that you were 1612.48s - 1619.60s | not deceived. You may also choose to to show the adversary that you are debunked that you are 1620.16s - 1624.72s | aware of their deception which is a deterrent method. One of the things that you know folks 1624.72s - 1629.76s | in DHS and CISA are talking about is pre-bunking. So we think that this deceptive narrative is going 1629.76s - 1634.64s | to be placed out there so in advance we're going to go ahead and explain to everyone that it's false 1634.64s - 1638.64s | so that you know people just don't bother trying to push that narrative in the first place. 1640.48s - 1646.32s | So in developing this set of trustworthy sources of data like when we're looking at things on the 1646.32s - 1652.56s | internet it's really important for us to you know collect different places where we can get 1652.56s - 1659.52s | different points of view that are credible and objective. And so like curating collections of 1659.52s - 1664.80s | experts I think is really important and but also a weakness that we have


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to educate you about the issue. And so you're vulnerable to the 1721.20s - 1725.92s | fact that that without knowing more than they do about the subject that you can't see the other 1725.92s - 1732.00s | facts that they're omitting that may lead you to a different conclusion. And so you know I 1732.56s - 1737.68s | one of the things that people wring their hands about a little bit is journalistic objectivity. 1737.68s - 1741.60s | There's this idea that like in the American civilization in particular where we have two 1741.60s - 1746.96s | political parties that what should happen is that journalists should present both sides and we know 1746.96s - 1752.16s | that like getting both of these perspectives does not get us closer to the truth right. And so 1752.16s - 1757.60s | perhaps there's this role for journalism as a professional resource that goes out and finds 1757.60s - 1762.88s | the other facts that are missing and adds them into the equation to get the complete truth right. 1763.68s - 1766.96s | This is something that people have been talking about for a very long time. This is not an 1766.96s - 1772.80s | internet problem. Walter Lippman was writing about this stuff in the 1920s and he had these 1772.80s - 1779.76s | interesting ideas about what journalism could be but then he also you know he he was he was 1779.76s - 1785.12s | concerned that it won't be that because the business model of newspapers doesn't support 1785.12s - 1790.48s | this kind of work and and if if the news media isn't going to go out and find the additional 1790.48s - 1796.32s | facts for me my question is can my computers do that? Can I can the internet give me the facts 1796.32s - 1801.52s | that I need in order to objectively understand reality? And so that relates to the third part 1801.52s - 1807.92s | of our talk and our call to arms. You know like hackers have an independent view of reality that's 1807.92s - 1812.96s | somewhat outside of mainstream thinking and that enables you to see things with different eyes. 1813.92s - 1818.08s | There are interesting capabilities and I'm going to talk about some examples of them 1818.64s - 1825.12s | that might be useful to people to help


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combat deception and disinformation and I think also 1825.12s - 1831.44s | we're we're tool makers and breakers and so you know I think we we're not entirely cynical about 1831.44s - 1840.00s | the value that new tools can can bring. So I'm going to focus on four areas. One area it's just 1840.00s - 1844.00s | something that I need to mention it's that model the adversary's capabilities and neutralize them. 1844.00s - 1849.04s | I've mentioned that several times. There's been tremendous work over the years here at DefCon in 1849.04s - 1853.84s | the misinformation village and there's also this thing called a disarm framework which is essentially 1853.84s - 1859.52s | a kill chain for internet you know botnets and deception operations. This is fantastic work. We 1859.52s - 1863.76s | love it and you know I want to endorse it here. There's lots of things that people can do in that 1863.76s - 1868.32s | area. Because there's so much going on in that space we're not going to delve deeper into it. 1868.88s - 1874.08s | We're going to focus on some other stuff. Particularly building tools for information 1874.08s - 1880.48s | triangulation. You know knowing like when questions have been raised about what we're reading 1881.20s - 1885.60s | and identifying and collecting those that network of experts that you can use to 1885.60s - 1892.08s | determine whether or not something is real. So a really simple example I want to include because 1892.08s - 1896.48s | it's a project that was the first one wiki scanner was a project that was done by somebody in this 1896.48s - 1901.28s | community. It was a it was a small focused project and it had interesting consequences. 1901.28s - 1905.52s | So it shows that like you can do some hacking over a few weekends and make something useful. 1906.40s - 1912.40s | So wiki scanner looked for anonymous edits to Wikipedia and checked the you know like who is 1912.40s - 1916.64s | information associated with the IP address and identified situations where people were editing 1916.64s - 1922.08s | Wikipedia anonymously from the IP blocks assigned to large organizations. And so you could kind of 1922.08s - 1927.36s | see what narratives were being pushed in Wikipedia by certain large orgs. There were certainly 1927.36s - 1932.96s | interesting


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results that came out of that analysis. By the way it's mothballed. Somebody else made a 1932.96s - 1937.44s | thing called wiki watchdog. The source code is available for that but it's also mothballed. 1937.44s - 1942.32s | So like this is a thing anyone in this room could pick up and you know you know do something with 1942.32s - 1948.64s | immediately and there are interesting results to be found. Sticking to the topic of Wikipedia 1948.64s - 1955.84s | briefly the idea behind Wikipedia is that with enough eyes all bugs are shallow right. So you 1955.84s - 1960.56s | know everyone's reading this article and they're removing fake things from it and so we get this 1960.56s - 1965.92s | objective truth. The problem with it is that when you visit a page it might have been edited two 1965.92s - 1971.84s | seconds ago by someone pushing an agenda and you can't really tell right. So I wrote a paper 1971.84s - 1978.32s | in 2006 in which I suggested that we highlight passages that are new so that when you're reading 1978.32s - 1981.76s | the article you can kind of tell which passages are less trustworthy because they haven't gone 1981.76s - 1986.24s | through that editing process. There were some academics that built a thing called wiki trust 1986.88s - 1992.88s | which like implemented a very similar set of ideas and with some added analytics underneath and 1992.88s - 1997.76s | it was usable for a while. So this is kind of an interesting thing and this is also mothballed. I 1997.76s - 2003.92s | believe in this set of ideas and there's work to be done in this area but I'm also I like the 2003.92s - 2008.32s | high-level concept that maybe my computer should tell me when I should be careful about what I'm 2008.32s - 2015.12s | reading because some objective objective criteria suggests that you know this information might not 2015.12s - 2023.36s | be reliable right. So I want to return to some of the like core information resources that inspired 2023.36s - 2030.24s | the creation of the web because there's a whole lot of ideas in here for things that we don't have 2030.24s - 2036.96s | today and it's a way of seeing the negative space in the internet. So the


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first resource here is a 2036.96s - 2042.88s | paper called As We May Think by Vannevar Bush. So Vannevar Bush was the guy that ran all defense 2042.88s - 2048.56s | related research during World War II. So he was an incredibly important guy. He wrote a paper in 2048.56s - 2053.92s | the 40s which might be the most important academic paper of the 20th century and it's 2053.92s - 2060.48s | about using microfiche to create to link documents together and create knowledge management systems. 2060.48s - 2064.48s | This guy's got a camera on his head because he imagined he wanted to take screenshots of books 2064.48s - 2069.60s | he was reading and so he imagined having a camera in his head so he could screenshot documents right. 2069.60s - 2076.00s | So it's it's weird tech but the ideas are super interesting and he you know had a lot of influence 2076.00s - 2081.12s | over to other people who are incredibly important. One is Douglas Engelbart. Douglas Engelbart gave 2081.20s - 2085.04s | the mother of all demos in which like he demonstrated things like mice and modems 2086.08s - 2092.64s | at Stanford University in the 60s. He wrote a book about augmenting human intelligence and one of his 2092.64s - 2097.68s | sort of precepts is that computers will always augment human intelligence better than they can 2097.68s - 2103.68s | replace it and that is an idea that I think is it makes sense to remember these days given all 2103.68s - 2107.20s | everything that's going on with AI and also I think social media companies sometimes forget 2107.20s - 2112.16s | that the purpose of computers is to make us smarter. If you forget that you'll make the wrong 2112.16s - 2121.12s | things. So Ted Nelson is the guy who coined the term hypertext. He did so it first appears in 2121.12s - 2125.76s | print in this book which is called Computer Lib. It's an extra large book that's hand 2125.76s - 2131.92s | written and illustrated in like a zine. It's a really interesting document and you can buy a 2131.92s - 2139.20s | copy of it. They've got it printed again. A scholarly read through these three resources 2139.20s - 2144.56s | will reveal a whole lot of ideas that these people had for


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Stanford University in the 60s. He wrote a book about augmenting human intelligence and one of his 2092.64s - 2097.68s | sort of precepts is that computers will always augment human intelligence better than they can 2097.68s - 2103.68s | replace it and that is an idea that I think is it makes sense to remember these days given all 2103.68s - 2107.20s | everything that's going on with AI and also I think social media companies sometimes forget 2107.20s - 2112.16s | that the purpose of computers is to make us smarter. If you forget that you'll make the wrong 2112.16s - 2121.12s | things. So Ted Nelson is the guy who coined the term hypertext. He did so it first appears in 2121.12s - 2125.76s | print in this book which is called Computer Lib. It's an extra large book that's hand 2125.76s - 2131.92s | written and illustrated in like a zine. It's a really interesting document and you can buy a 2131.92s - 2139.20s | copy of it. They've got it printed again. A scholarly read through these three resources 2139.20s - 2144.56s | will reveal a whole lot of ideas that these people had for things that the internet should do 2144.56s - 2150.48s | that the internet does not yet do. Late in Engelbart's life he was sort of frustrated with 2150.48s - 2154.64s | the web and like felt like it didn't achieve its potential and Ted Nelson is still ranting about 2154.64s - 2160.24s | that on YouTube and you can find him doing so. So if we look at some of the stuff that these guys 2160.24s - 2165.84s | did. So Xanadu is Nelson's project. Hyperscope is something that the Douglas Engelbart Institute 2165.84s - 2169.92s | has been working on to try to implement some of his ideas. There's a bunch of things in there 2169.92s - 2174.24s | that we don't have today and it's interesting to think or maybe we do but only in narrow 2174.24s - 2178.80s | limited context right. So it's interesting to think about like what would it take to make this 2178.80s - 2184.72s | a part of the internet. You know why don't we have it. In the context of deception and 2184.72s - 2189.68s | counter deception I'm particularly interested in backlinks. All these guys wanted backlinks. So 2190.24s -


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things that the internet should do 2144.56s - 2150.48s | that the internet does not yet do. Late in Engelbart's life he was sort of frustrated with 2150.48s - 2154.64s | the web and like felt like it didn't achieve its potential and Ted Nelson is still ranting about 2154.64s - 2160.24s | that on YouTube and you can find him doing so. So if we look at some of the stuff that these guys 2160.24s - 2165.84s | did. So Xanadu is Nelson's project. Hyperscope is something that the Douglas Engelbart Institute 2165.84s - 2169.92s | has been working on to try to implement some of his ideas. There's a bunch of things in there 2169.92s - 2174.24s | that we don't have today and it's interesting to think or maybe we do but only in narrow 2174.24s - 2178.80s | limited context right. So it's interesting to think about like what would it take to make this 2178.80s - 2184.72s | a part of the internet. You know why don't we have it. In the context of deception and 2184.72s - 2189.68s | counter deception I'm particularly interested in backlinks. All these guys wanted backlinks. So 2190.24s - 2195.52s | web document can link out to another document from a phrase. In their systems also when you're 2195.52s - 2201.36s | reading a document you can see which people link in and what phrases they link into. So you can 2201.36s - 2206.40s | see if someone built upon the ideas that you're reading and you can also see if someone is 2206.40s - 2211.84s | criticizing the thing that you're reading. Why don't we have that in the internet? Well the 2211.84s - 2218.08s | answer is that it's a content moderation problem. If anybody could annotate a web page in any way 2218.08s - 2224.40s | that they wanted then we'd have a bunch of spam and abuse right. And so we need to think about the 2224.40s - 2228.72s | tools that we've built for managing content moderation and see if we can couple them to 2229.68s - 2233.60s | backlinking in order to create something that's useful. There have been some interesting projects 2233.60s - 2238.64s | over the years that played around with backlinking either in narrow context or you know to varying 2238.64s - 2244.00s | degrees of success. You know I


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2195.52s | web document can link out to another document from a phrase. In their systems also when you're 2195.52s - 2201.36s | reading a document you can see which people link in and what phrases they link into. So you can 2201.36s - 2206.40s | see if someone built upon the ideas that you're reading and you can also see if someone is 2206.40s - 2211.84s | criticizing the thing that you're reading. Why don't we have that in the internet? Well the 2211.84s - 2218.08s | answer is that it's a content moderation problem. If anybody could annotate a web page in any way 2218.08s - 2224.40s | that they wanted then we'd have a bunch of spam and abuse right. And so we need to think about the 2224.40s - 2228.72s | tools that we've built for managing content moderation and see if we can couple them to 2229.68s - 2233.60s | backlinking in order to create something that's useful. There have been some interesting projects 2233.60s - 2238.64s | over the years that played around with backlinking either in narrow context or you know to varying 2238.64s - 2244.00s | degrees of success. You know I think a key thing here is that all opinions are not created equal. 2244.64s - 2249.44s | There are certain opinions again I've curated my experts whose opinions that matter to me. 2249.44s - 2253.92s | Those are the ones that I want to see. So when I choose to follow somebody on social media 2253.92s - 2259.20s | I'm indicating that what they say is relevant to me even if I don't agree with it right. So I've 2259.20s - 2264.80s | selected that group. It would be useful to me if I could see anytime I'm viewing a document if those 2264.80s - 2272.32s | people have ever commented on it right. I'd love to build that. A challenge that we face is that 2272.32s - 2278.08s | in order to build and innovate on top of our social media systems we need systems that are 2278.08s - 2286.64s | technically financially and culturally open to innovation. And unfortunately many of the systems 2286.64s - 2292.72s | that we collectively use like fail at one or more of those criteria and therefore it makes it 2292.72s - 2297.76s | difficult for people to create new things that sit


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think a key thing here is that all opinions are not created equal. 2244.64s - 2249.44s | There are certain opinions again I've curated my experts whose opinions that matter to me. 2249.44s - 2253.92s | Those are the ones that I want to see. So when I choose to follow somebody on social media 2253.92s - 2259.20s | I'm indicating that what they say is relevant to me even if I don't agree with it right. So I've 2259.20s - 2264.80s | selected that group. It would be useful to me if I could see anytime I'm viewing a document if those 2264.80s - 2272.32s | people have ever commented on it right. I'd love to build that. A challenge that we face is that 2272.32s - 2278.08s | in order to build and innovate on top of our social media systems we need systems that are 2278.08s - 2286.64s | technically financially and culturally open to innovation. And unfortunately many of the systems 2286.64s - 2292.72s | that we collectively use like fail at one or more of those criteria and therefore it makes it 2292.72s - 2297.76s | difficult for people to create new things that sit on top of them. And we need to create new things 2297.76s - 2304.56s | in order to make the internet better. So I've talked about curating collections of experts. 2305.20s - 2311.68s | There are some interesting protocols that exist that people have built over time for endorsing 2311.68s - 2316.72s | people. Like I really like LinkedIn endorsements not as a tool but as a concept. You know you can 2316.72s - 2323.60s | say I follow this person and this is why right. But unfortunately that's a closed system. Some 2323.60s - 2328.24s | of these things out there aren't machine readable. You know I think it would be cool if I when I'm 2328.24s - 2332.80s | following somebody on social media if I could say why. And that endorsement sticks to them if they 2332.80s - 2339.12s | accept it. And as long as I continue to follow them. And if we did that then I could do this. 2339.12s - 2344.96s | I could say who do the people I follow follow who are endorsed for this particular thing like law. 2345.52s - 2350.24s | And I could get back a list of a


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on top of them. And we need to create new things 2297.76s - 2304.56s | in order to make the internet better. So I've talked about curating collections of experts. 2305.20s - 2311.68s | There are some interesting protocols that exist that people have built over time for endorsing 2311.68s - 2316.72s | people. Like I really like LinkedIn endorsements not as a tool but as a concept. You know you can 2316.72s - 2323.60s | say I follow this person and this is why right. But unfortunately that's a closed system. Some 2323.60s - 2328.24s | of these things out there aren't machine readable. You know I think it would be cool if I when I'm 2328.24s - 2332.80s | following somebody on social media if I could say why. And that endorsement sticks to them if they 2332.80s - 2339.12s | accept it. And as long as I continue to follow them. And if we did that then I could do this. 2339.12s - 2344.96s | I could say who do the people I follow follow who are endorsed for this particular thing like law. 2345.52s - 2350.24s | And I could get back a list of a bunch of people who are endorsed for this particular topic. And 2350.24s - 2355.28s | I could ask what are these people saying about this thing right. It gives me the ability to sort 2355.28s - 2361.28s | of like you know identify the reputation of people on the internet and utilize that in 2361.28s - 2368.08s | constructive ways to help me figure out what's real. So I think there are lots of there's lots 2368.08s - 2374.08s | of work to be done in that space. There's lots of like open potential there. Another area is LLMs. 2374.88s - 2380.48s | You know LLMs have some built in biases. There's challenges dealing with them. They hallucinate. 2380.48s - 2385.84s | So there's lots of caveats to what I'm saying here. And I know what they are. But at the same 2385.84s - 2391.68s | time it is a dispassionate computer right. So can it go out and find those missing facts for me 2391.68s - 2398.24s | that aren't included in a narrative by reading all the things right. And dispassionately present 2398.24s - 2403.84s | them to me. That's a potentially interesting thought. And I think it's


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bunch of people who are endorsed for this particular topic. And 2350.24s - 2355.28s | I could ask what are these people saying about this thing right. It gives me the ability to sort 2355.28s - 2361.28s | of like you know identify the reputation of people on the internet and utilize that in 2361.28s - 2368.08s | constructive ways to help me figure out what's real. So I think there are lots of there's lots 2368.08s - 2374.08s | of work to be done in that space. There's lots of like open potential there. Another area is LLMs. 2374.88s - 2380.48s | You know LLMs have some built in biases. There's challenges dealing with them. They hallucinate. 2380.48s - 2385.84s | So there's lots of caveats to what I'm saying here. And I know what they are. But at the same 2385.84s - 2391.68s | time it is a dispassionate computer right. So can it go out and find those missing facts for me 2391.68s - 2398.24s | that aren't included in a narrative by reading all the things right. And dispassionately present 2398.24s - 2403.84s | them to me. That's a potentially interesting thought. And I think it's harder than it sounds. 2404.72s - 2410.64s | But you know there are other things we could do with LLMs. I you know one of the things is that 2410.64s - 2414.88s | that I mentioned on the last page is that there are like if you're a university professor at an 2414.88s - 2420.08s | accredited university in a particular subject area your university website indicates that like this 2420.08s - 2424.96s | guy is the professor of this right. But then your social media profile there's it's not machine 2424.96s - 2430.72s | readable. Your university website is not machine readable. I can't tell you know automatically that 2430.72s - 2437.36s | you have this expertise. But an LLM could go read every university website find all the professors 2437.36s - 2442.56s | find all their social media profiles and created a machine readable you know system that allows me to 2442.56s - 2448.24s | again ask this question who knows lots about economics. Here they are right. And so I think 2448.24s - 2453.28s | that those are interesting possibilities. LLMs are really good at turning human unstructured 2453.28s - 2457.60s | information into like very structured


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harder than it sounds. 2404.72s - 2410.64s | But you know there are other things we could do with LLMs. I you know one of the things is that 2410.64s - 2414.88s | that I mentioned on the last page is that there are like if you're a university professor at an 2414.88s - 2420.08s | accredited university in a particular subject area your university website indicates that like this 2420.08s - 2424.96s | guy is the professor of this right. But then your social media profile there's it's not machine 2424.96s - 2430.72s | readable. Your university website is not machine readable. I can't tell you know automatically that 2430.72s - 2437.36s | you have this expertise. But an LLM could go read every university website find all the professors 2437.36s - 2442.56s | find all their social media profiles and created a machine readable you know system that allows me to 2442.56s - 2448.24s | again ask this question who knows lots about economics. Here they are right. And so I think 2448.24s - 2453.28s | that those are interesting possibilities. LLMs are really good at turning human unstructured 2453.28s - 2457.60s | information into like very structured information that's machine readable and we can do things with 2457.60s - 2466.80s | it. Greg? So beyond these technical solutions we have to think like how can we scale this 2467.76s - 2474.96s | so for humans right. One is the idea of teaching media literacy in schools to try and have a better 2474.96s - 2481.60s | informed consumers of information. Media literacy now who I have highlighted here they have a nice 2481.60s - 2488.64s | depth of resources from K through 12 for for classroom instruction. And the other idea is to 2488.64s - 2494.16s | emphasize critical thinking both in school and in our day-to-day lives. And this is from and I can't 2494.16s - 2500.08s | quite see it just in right. The idea there are certain questions we ask that we ask and help us 2500.08s - 2507.20s | probe through and see through deception. One is who benefits right. Where did this originate. There's a 2507.20s - 2514.80s | 48 questions here and they're very thought-provoking and useful. Yeah so we've put a bunch of references 2514.80s - 2520.72s | in the slides you know which are like look at this from


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information that's machine readable and we can do things with 2457.60s - 2466.80s | it. Greg? So beyond these technical solutions we have to think like how can we scale this 2467.76s - 2474.96s | so for humans right. One is the idea of teaching media literacy in schools to try and have a better 2474.96s - 2481.60s | informed consumers of information. Media literacy now who I have highlighted here they have a nice 2481.60s - 2488.64s | depth of resources from K through 12 for for classroom instruction. And the other idea is to 2488.64s - 2494.16s | emphasize critical thinking both in school and in our day-to-day lives. And this is from and I can't 2494.16s - 2500.08s | quite see it just in right. The idea there are certain questions we ask that we ask and help us 2500.08s - 2507.20s | probe through and see through deception. One is who benefits right. Where did this originate. There's a 2507.20s - 2514.80s | 48 questions here and they're very thought-provoking and useful. Yeah so we've put a bunch of references 2514.80s - 2520.72s | in the slides you know which are like look at this from a bunch of different perspectives. 2520.72s - 2525.92s | I'm sure that there are ideas that you have that relate to maybe the principles that we've 2525.92s - 2530.64s | articulated that are different from the ones that I've come up with. And that's what I'm excited 2530.64s - 2536.72s | about and why I wanted to talk to all of you about this. So hopefully you know somebody out there has 2536.72s - 2542.32s | been maybe inspired to work on something. And you know there's there's lots more to read about all 2542.32s - 2547.84s | of this stuff. You know these are our email addresses. You know we'd love to hear from you. 2547.84s - 2552.96s | We're going to be hanging out outside after the talk is over. So if you want to talk to us or 2552.96s - 2557.76s | poke at some of the things we're saying we'd love to talk to you more. And again I really appreciate 2557.76s - 2563.04s | your time and attention this morning. And the fact that you made it here on the last day of 2563.04s - 2568.00s | DEF CON for a morning session. Thank you.


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pea cup, because this thing goes long. 110.54s - 114.26s | So let's get this going. 114.26s - 119.18s | So the closing ceremonies, we kind of always start on a serious note. 119.18s - 122.42s | And then we go in for the lulls. 123.06s - 127.78s | The serious note is we really need to acknowledge the contributions 127.78s - 130.78s | of those who came before us. 130.78s - 134.06s | I think we are all standing on the shoulders of giants. 134.06s - 136.78s | And we all don't live forever. 136.78s - 138.62s | And so people in our community, I think, 138.62s - 142.66s | are really big about giving back and contributing to others. 142.66s - 146.66s | So what I want to do is just have a moment of silence. 146.66s - 149.14s | I don't care who you think about or what you do. 149.18s - 152.06s | But just reflect about those people that 152.06s - 156.62s | helped you get to where you are now so they live on in your memory. 156.62s - 169.54s | So we're just going to take a moment here. 169.54s - 178.10s | All right, now we're going to think about all the cool shit we've done. 178.10s - 181.34s | So the theme for this year was engage. 181.34s - 184.86s | And it could mean many things to many people. 184.86s - 187.38s | But for us at DEF CON, it really forced us 187.38s - 191.34s | to try to move forward some thoughts that we've had for a long time. 191.34s - 193.78s | And so this year, we launched two projects 193.78s - 198.26s | to try to engage the community in different ways. 198.26s - 200.14s | We don't know if it's going to work. 200.14s - 203.14s | We don't know if it's going to fail spectacularly. 203.14s - 207.02s | But sometimes failing is its own way of learning. 207.02s - 210.54s | So the first thing we're trying is the DEF CON Franklin initiative. 210.54s - 213.90s | And the idea here is to decide or learn, 213.90s - 217.86s | is there a way to create sort of on ramps for those of us 217.86s - 221.58s | who want to try to help protect critical infrastructure, 221.58s - 222.94s | protect water


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CON social with our code of conduct. 317.22s - 320.18s | So if you kind of like the way that we try to enforce things here, 320.18s - 323.38s | we try to do the same online. 323.38s - 326.42s | So finally, the profit. 326.42s - 339.37s | If you're in the room, we've created our Uber Contributor Award. 339.37s - 342.09s | This is the third year we've done it. 342.09s - 343.73s | And what we're trying to do here is we're 343.73s - 349.01s | trying to hold out, as an example to the community, people we respect, 349.01s - 352.37s | people with years or decades of contributing 352.37s - 357.21s | to the community selflessly. 357.21s - 360.57s | I first met the profit, I don't know, 30-something years ago 360.57s - 363.19s | in the DEF CON VoiceBridge, I believe. 363.19s - 365.85s | And so we've created these awards. 365.85s - 370.81s | And I think we have what's written on it, right? 370.81s - 373.73s | There's only so many characters we can have imprinted on these things, right? 373.73s - 375.29s | I met him when he was a freaker. 375.29s - 378.21s | He's a longtime writer for 2600 Magazine. 378.21s - 379.25s | He's an educator. 379.25s - 380.37s | He's a DJ. 380.37s - 382.29s | And he really empowered. 382.29s - 385.57s | And also, TeleFreak Challenge, QueerCon, you know, 385.57s - 388.73s | it just goes on and on, his contributions over the decades. 388.73s - 391.37s | So if you're here, profit, I think we somehow 391.37s - 395.61s | tried to trick you into coming here without telling you what it was about. 395.61s - 396.09s | Where is he? 396.09s - 398.61s | Get the fuck up here, man. 398.61s - 399.57s | Come on down. 399.57s - 410.26s | Thank you so much. 410.26s - 412.18s | You want to say something? 412.18s - 412.74s | Say something. 416.30s - 417.14s | Hi. 417.14s - 418.50s | Wow. 418.50s - 422.10s | So yeah, this is my 32nd DEF CON. 422.10s - 425.94s | And I love this place, this community. 425.94s - 428.70s | This is a magical community. 428.70s - 433.14s | And anything you can dream can happen, because I've dreamed a lot of things 433.14s - 435.42s


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375.29s - 378.21s | He's a longtime writer for 2600 Magazine. 378.21s - 379.25s | He's an educator. 379.25s - 380.37s | He's a DJ. 380.37s - 382.29s | And he really empowered. 382.29s - 385.57s | And also, TeleFreak Challenge, QueerCon, you know, 385.57s - 388.73s | it just goes on and on, his contributions over the decades. 388.73s - 391.37s | So if you're here, profit, I think we somehow 391.37s - 395.61s | tried to trick you into coming here without telling you what it was about. 395.61s - 396.09s | Where is he? 396.09s - 398.61s | Get the fuck up here, man. 398.61s - 399.57s | Come on down. 399.57s - 410.26s | Thank you so much. 410.26s - 412.18s | You want to say something? 412.18s - 412.74s | Say something. 416.30s - 417.14s | Hi. 417.14s - 418.50s | Wow. 418.50s - 422.10s | So yeah, this is my 32nd DEF CON. 422.10s - 425.94s | And I love this place, this community. 425.94s - 428.70s | This is a magical community. 428.70s - 433.14s | And anything you can dream can happen, because I've dreamed a lot of things 433.14s - 435.42s | and then they've happened here. 435.42s - 440.18s | I really hope that we can continue doing this incredible thing. 440.18s - 450.12s | Thanks so much. 450.12s - 454.12s | Also, I think profit might have been the first person 454.12s - 457.08s | to actually get his award. 457.08s - 460.84s | Because last time, I think Kingpin was gone. 460.84s - 463.08s | Richard Dean was gone. 463.08s - 464.20s | Oh, Wynn Schwartau. 464.20s - 466.24s | Wynn was the first to pick his up, yeah. 466.24s - 467.68s | He didn't see it coming either. 467.68s - 469.84s | It was great. 469.84s - 473.44s | OK, so this next one is something we've never done before, 473.44s - 477.96s | which is for an organization instead of an individual. 477.96s - 479.72s | You can guess who that might be. 479.72s - 498.18s | The Electronic Frontier Foundation. 498.18s - 500.18s | Thank you all so much. 500.18s - 501.62s | What an amazing conference. 501.62s - 506.06s | And we're so honored to have been a part of DEF CON for over 20 years now. 506.06s - 507.18s | I think we've


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| and then they've happened here. 435.42s - 440.18s | I really hope that we can continue doing this incredible thing. 440.18s - 450.12s | Thanks so much. 450.12s - 454.12s | Also, I think profit might have been the first person 454.12s - 457.08s | to actually get his award. 457.08s - 460.84s | Because last time, I think Kingpin was gone. 460.84s - 463.08s | Richard Dean was gone. 463.08s - 464.20s | Oh, Wynn Schwartau. 464.20s - 466.24s | Wynn was the first to pick his up, yeah. 466.24s - 467.68s | He didn't see it coming either. 467.68s - 469.84s | It was great. 469.84s - 473.44s | OK, so this next one is something we've never done before, 473.44s - 477.96s | which is for an organization instead of an individual. 477.96s - 479.72s | You can guess who that might be. 479.72s - 498.18s | The Electronic Frontier Foundation. 498.18s - 500.18s | Thank you all so much. 500.18s - 501.62s | What an amazing conference. 501.62s - 506.06s | And we're so honored to have been a part of DEF CON for over 20 years now. 506.06s - 507.18s | I think we've been coming. 510.74s - 512.74s | Yes, hold it outwards. 512.74s - 514.66s | Thank you all so much for all of your support. 514.66s - 519.46s | This year, we've raised $130,000, helped speakers stay on stage, 519.46s - 527.05s | and we're so honored to be a part of this community. 527.05s - 530.61s | And we think that security research makes the world better for everyone. 543.05s - 546.17s | OK, so now we're going to talk a little bit. 546.17s - 547.25s | Mark, come on down. 547.25s - 549.37s | We're going to talk a little bit about what we've 549.37s - 554.37s | been wearing around our neck, the DEF CON badge. 554.37s - 556.25s | Come on. 556.25s - 559.01s | You can use this or the microphone. 559.01s - 561.98s | Hi. 561.98s - 565.18s | Hi, so it's amazing seeing you all wearing the badge, 565.18s - 569.86s | and all the lights glowing, and the SAOs, and it's super cool. 569.86s - 572.22s | OK, so I want to thank Team Cat Ball. 572.22s - 576.22s | I did the concept design and coordination of the badge effort. 576.22s -


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been coming. 510.74s - 512.74s | Yes, hold it outwards. 512.74s - 514.66s | Thank you all so much for all of your support. 514.66s - 519.46s | This year, we've raised $130,000, helped speakers stay on stage, 519.46s - 527.05s | and we're so honored to be a part of this community. 527.05s - 530.61s | And we think that security research makes the world better for everyone. 543.05s - 546.17s | OK, so now we're going to talk a little bit. 546.17s - 547.25s | Mark, come on down. 547.25s - 549.37s | We're going to talk a little bit about what we've 549.37s - 554.37s | been wearing around our neck, the DEF CON badge. 554.37s - 556.25s | Come on. 556.25s - 559.01s | You can use this or the microphone. 559.01s - 561.98s | Hi. 561.98s - 565.18s | Hi, so it's amazing seeing you all wearing the badge, 565.18s - 569.86s | and all the lights glowing, and the SAOs, and it's super cool. 569.86s - 572.22s | OK, so I want to thank Team Cat Ball. 572.22s - 576.22s | I did the concept design and coordination of the badge effort. 576.22s - 578.50s | Bonnie Finley, 3D modeling, game art and dev. 578.50s - 580.70s | Chris Maltby did plug-ins and game development. 580.70s - 587.30s | He also created GB Studio, which is what we use to develop the game. 587.30s - 589.90s | Nutmeg Ann on game development. 589.90s - 592.18s | Will Tuttle, concept and narrative collab. 592.18s - 594.54s | Ada RW, my kiddo over there, actually made one 594.54s - 595.86s | of the characters on your badge. 595.86s - 600.14s | It's a little dragon, if you wanted to play that one. 600.14s - 602.94s | Huge thanks to Raspberry Pi for the hardware. 602.94s - 606.74s | Entropic with Dimitri, GR for hardware development, firmware, 606.74s - 607.86s | and emulator. 607.86s - 611.46s | Joe Grand for hardware support and production testing. 611.46s - 614.54s | Legion 303, music and sounds, which don't work on your game, 614.54s - 618.70s | but they do work on the badge hardware itself. 618.70s - 620.90s | And ICSN for manufacturing. 632.84s - 635.64s | I really wanted to do something that was accessible, 635.64s - 637.80s | because when I got into the scene, 637.80s -


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578.50s | Bonnie Finley, 3D modeling, game art and dev. 578.50s - 580.70s | Chris Maltby did plug-ins and game development. 580.70s - 587.30s | He also created GB Studio, which is what we use to develop the game. 587.30s - 589.90s | Nutmeg Ann on game development. 589.90s - 592.18s | Will Tuttle, concept and narrative collab. 592.18s - 594.54s | Ada RW, my kiddo over there, actually made one 594.54s - 595.86s | of the characters on your badge. 595.86s - 600.14s | It's a little dragon, if you wanted to play that one. 600.14s - 602.94s | Huge thanks to Raspberry Pi for the hardware. 602.94s - 606.74s | Entropic with Dimitri, GR for hardware development, firmware, 606.74s - 607.86s | and emulator. 607.86s - 611.46s | Joe Grand for hardware support and production testing. 611.46s - 614.54s | Legion 303, music and sounds, which don't work on your game, 614.54s - 618.70s | but they do work on the badge hardware itself. 618.70s - 620.90s | And ICSN for manufacturing. 632.84s - 635.64s | I really wanted to do something that was accessible, 635.64s - 637.80s | because when I got into the scene, 637.80s - 640.00s | I'm not a hardware engineer myself. 640.00s - 642.48s | And so I wanted something that was really accessible 642.48s - 643.96s | that anybody could play with. 643.96s - 646.16s | So I reached out to Raspberry Pi. 646.16s - 648.40s | So there's many layers on this badge 648.40s - 651.16s | that you can get involved with, down to just like, 651.16s - 653.52s | you could load up your own ROMs to play. 653.52s - 655.12s | You could create your own game. 655.12s - 661.92s | You could get as far as messing with the Raspberry Pi 2350 SDK. 661.92s - 664.56s | The badge itself is pretty interactive. 664.56s - 665.80s | There's a game on the badge. 665.80s - 668.88s | There's a little story, if you play through it. 668.88s - 670.68s | And it's really just a lot about, 670.68s - 675.92s | if you work in the DEF CON scene and create your own projects, 675.92s - 679.52s | it's kind of just take care of yourself, too, you know? 680.52s - 682.00s | Infrared, yeah. 682.00s - 685.24s | And then interacting with each other, 685.24s -


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- 731.00s | on everybody else around you, which is great. 731.00s - 734.40s | And then the orientation was important for me, 734.40s - 737.04s | so that you're playing in game mode here. 737.04s - 738.76s | And then you can also be wearing it. 738.76s - 740.60s | And after a certain period of time, it'll time out. 740.60s - 743.08s | And then it shows your little character that you've chosen 743.08s - 744.92s | and how far you've progressed in the game. 744.92s - 747.08s | So you kind of can get a feel for where 747.08s - 750.00s | everybody else is around you. 750.00s - 752.04s | And then reusability is so important, 752.04s - 754.32s | which is why it's a Raspberry Pi. 754.32s - 756.20s | So you can do all kinds of things with this, 756.20s - 758.44s | like whatever you can imagine. 758.44s - 759.44s | So please reuse it. 759.44s - 760.56s | Post your projects later. 763.40s - 765.56s | And I just kind of touched on some of the hardware. 766.44s - 768.32s | It's an ABS injection molded case, 768.32s - 770.92s | which I experimented with last year with the plastics. 770.92s - 774.08s | And we really got it right this year. 774.08s - 778.00s | The RP2350, which is a brand new chip that was just 778.00s - 780.56s | released this weekend to DEF CON attendees. 780.56s - 783.08s | Y'all got the very first one. 783.08s - 786.32s | And you can find out more about that chip on their website, 786.32s - 789.56s | on Raspberry Pi's website. 789.56s - 790.72s | Orientation sensor. 790.72s - 793.72s | Real time clock, we talked about with the badge talks. 793.72s - 795.88s | Customizable RGB LEDs. 795.88s - 797.80s | IR communication. 797.80s - 800.80s | There's a micro SD card in here that if you pop it out 800.80s - 802.76s | and put in your computer, there's also 802.76s - 807.24s | some goodies on there, like the official DEF CON soundtrack. 807.24s - 809.00s | And then you can go get more, load up 809.00s - 811.24s | more stuff with your SD card. 811.24s - 813.92s | USB-C, and then it's rechargeable. 813.92s - 815.68s | I have my own battery. 815.68s - 817.44s |


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I experimented with last year with the plastics. 770.92s - 774.08s | And we really got it right this year. 774.08s - 778.00s | The RP2350, which is a brand new chip that was just 778.00s - 780.56s | released this weekend to DEF CON attendees. 780.56s - 783.08s | Y'all got the very first one. 783.08s - 786.32s | And you can find out more about that chip on their website, 786.32s - 789.56s | on Raspberry Pi's website. 789.56s - 790.72s | Orientation sensor. 790.72s - 793.72s | Real time clock, we talked about with the badge talks. 793.72s - 795.88s | Customizable RGB LEDs. 795.88s - 797.80s | IR communication. 797.80s - 800.80s | There's a micro SD card in here that if you pop it out 800.80s - 802.76s | and put in your computer, there's also 802.76s - 807.24s | some goodies on there, like the official DEF CON soundtrack. 807.24s - 809.00s | And then you can go get more, load up 809.00s - 811.24s | more stuff with your SD card. 811.24s - 813.92s | USB-C, and then it's rechargeable. 813.92s - 815.68s | I have my own battery. 815.68s - 817.44s | Audio does work on here. 817.44s - 820.08s | Just because it doesn't work in the game in time, 820.08s - 822.08s | you can still play audio from your badge, which 822.08s - 823.60s | is pretty neat. 823.60s - 826.36s | There is a touch screen, which we didn't utilize in the game. 826.36s - 828.72s | But you can do stuff with if you do a Raspberry Pi project 828.72s - 831.00s | with it afterwards. 831.00s - 834.76s | And then UGB is the emulator for playing the games. 834.76s - 837.40s | And it'll play any Game Boy compatible games. 837.40s - 842.16s | So also Game Boy Color, all that stuff. 842.16s - 845.52s | So Raspberry Pi has also put out a challenge. 845.52s - 848.88s | And I put the URL here so y'all can check that out. 848.88s - 852.16s | And they're offering a reward. 852.16s - 856.69s | OK, whoops. 856.69s - 858.73s | OK, sorry. 858.73s - 859.89s | Let y'all come up. 859.89s - 867.28s | Thank you. 867.28s - 870.20s | OK, as you saw the sneak peek, our next slide 870.20s - 872.16s | is


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1273.62s | They just need emotional support, and so we give that. 1273.62s - 1275.38s | Three reports of restraining orders, 1275.38s - 1280.58s | which we have somewhat enforced as much best as we can. 1280.58s - 1284.62s | We're not the police, so we do our best. 1284.62s - 1287.98s | 11 people calling in just for paraprofessional counseling. 1287.98s - 1290.46s | That's, I'm having a panic attack. 1290.46s - 1293.34s | Can you help me? 1293.34s - 1296.02s | I'm depressed about something that happened. 1296.02s - 1297.46s | Can you talk to me? 1297.46s - 1299.34s | Anything like that. 1299.34s - 1305.86s | It's in line with suicide hotline training kind of stuff, 1305.86s - 1309.14s | which is where I came from. 1309.14s - 1311.90s | And then six counts of crisis counseling. 1311.90s - 1313.66s | So if somebody calls in and something 1313.66s - 1318.86s | needs to be done right now, my friend's in trouble, 1318.86s - 1320.74s | something's been stolen, that kind of stuff. 1320.74s - 1323.54s | Somebody's calling in in a panic. 1323.54s - 1328.02s | One scam that called us to try a scam set of money, 1328.02s - 1331.42s | which we're hotline, good luck, we have no money. 1334.42s - 1337.50s | Three accessibility concerns, usually with the shuttles, 1337.50s - 1339.62s | but sometimes there's other issues, 1339.62s - 1343.82s | like a door doesn't work properly or something. 1343.82s - 1346.22s | Before con, when we released the phone number 1346.22s - 1348.54s | and before anyone else had the number, 1348.54s - 1350.30s | only me, so I was the only person 1350.30s - 1352.14s | who could respond to your calls. 1352.14s - 1353.82s | I did my best. 1353.82s - 1357.58s | You guys called a lot. 1357.58s - 1361.66s | I can't answer all those calls myself, I'm sorry. 1361.66s - 1364.78s | And one human, once again, stuck in back of house 1364.78s - 1370.86s | who needed to be released into the wild. 1370.86s - 1374.58s | So the last thing to say is it's the most important thing 1374.58s - 1377.82s | to everyone on staff that people feel safe 1377.82s - 1379.54s | and that you have a safe environment to enjoy 1379.54s - 1382.98s | your conference and that you are safe


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on the creator stage. 1567.18s - 1570.54s | We had over 1,500 people in our small little room, 1570.54s - 1572.68s | got some great social media presence, 1572.68s - 1582.79s | and we're really looking forward to doing it again next year. 1582.79s - 1585.67s | Okay, so if you used our Discord server, 1585.67s - 1588.47s | you indirectly were interacting with the next team, 1588.47s - 1597.59s | the DevOps team, led by Riverside. 1597.59s - 1598.43s | Hey, everyone. 1598.43s - 1599.91s | My voice is almost gone. 1599.91s - 1601.51s | Fox is gonna take care of this one. 1601.51s - 1604.55s | Hi, everybody. 1604.55s - 1606.71s | I am Fox, if you don't know me. 1606.71s - 1608.71s | I am the second for DevOps. 1608.71s - 1611.87s | Behind me on the slides, you can see our wonderful team. 1611.87s - 1615.31s | They work all year round to keep the DEF CON Discord safe, 1615.31s - 1617.51s | and when they're bored, they go ahead 1617.51s - 1620.99s | and make integrations that make life at DEF CON better. 1622.59s - 1627.09s | Let's see, next slide. 1627.09s - 1629.45s | You can see some of the stats behind me 1629.45s - 1634.45s | for all of our Discord, all the coding, the bots. 1636.05s - 1638.09s | This year, we've added a couple more full bots. 1638.09s - 1643.09s | We've added 1481 lines of code. 1649.18s - 1650.10s | Sorry, guys. 1656.27s - 1657.83s | I'll jump in and help a little bit. 1657.83s - 1661.35s | So the total lines of production code right now 1661.35s - 1663.35s | is almost 20,000 lines of code, 1663.35s - 1667.39s | and every year, Discord changes their APIs. 1667.39s - 1669.39s | They're constantly a moving target. 1669.39s - 1671.83s | So this team, on a weekly basis, 1671.83s - 1673.83s | is doing something no matter what, 1673.83s - 1678.23s | and so it is a continual trickle of nonstop DEF CON, 1678.23s - 1680.67s | and they're working really, really hard for all of you. 1680.67s - 1682.31s | There's a ton of channels, 1682.31s - 1683.99s | thousands and thousands of messages, 1683.99s - 1686.03s | people connecting from all around the world, 1686.03s - 1687.75s | and some of the folks that couldn't make it 1687.75s


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standpoint of being able to have some gear 1828.66s - 1830.50s | left permanent in place 1830.50s - 1833.50s | that wasn't so permanent as we thought it'd be, 1833.50s - 1835.42s | so we ended up with only about four weeks 1835.42s - 1836.90s | to put all of this in here. 1838.66s - 1841.78s | So that being said, this was one of our fastest opening 1841.82s - 1846.82s | for the Wi-Fi reg servers, the floor drops, et cetera. 1847.94s - 1849.14s | So that was pretty good. 1850.46s - 1852.38s | You see this every year. 1852.38s - 1855.06s | We come in a week early on-site, 1855.06s - 1858.46s | not including all the planning the weeks ahead of time, 1859.62s - 1862.66s | and we work with the on-site facilities 1862.66s - 1864.50s | to get everything up and running. 1864.50s - 1867.74s | Ideally, by Wednesday, people come in, 1867.74s - 1870.22s | a lot of last-minute scrambling, 1870.54s - 1871.94s | and then hopefully no emergencies, 1871.94s - 1874.78s | like having to do an emergency network brain surgery, 1875.74s - 1877.58s | and then we have to have it all packed up 1877.58s - 1879.50s | by 10 p.m. tonight. 1879.50s - 1882.90s | So it's a lot, and it takes a big team to get it done. 1884.10s - 1886.26s | Here's some of the stats from this year. 1887.54s - 1890.54s | I'm gonna breeze through these, if that's okay, for time. 1891.46s - 1892.62s | If you have any questions, 1892.62s - 1895.30s | there'll be a pointer at the end. 1896.64s - 1898.30s | But that being said, I do wanna say 1898.30s - 1899.98s | thank you for using the network, 1901.46s - 1904.02s | using it to its fullest potential. 1904.02s - 1909.02s | We were pretty much capped the whole time, 1910.14s - 1914.70s | and I'll be honest about, sorry, quick math, 1916.18s - 1920.34s | about 60% of that was from the secured Wi-Fi, 1920.34s - 1923.46s | and about 20% of that was from the insecure Wi-Fi. 1924.22s - 1929.22s | We had at least 2,500 people online, 1929.58s - 1933.38s | all at the same, sorry, devices online at the same time, 1933.38s - 1935.02s | because people around here tend 1935.02s - 1937.02s | to only have one device


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up 1877.58s - 1879.50s | by 10 p.m. tonight. 1879.50s - 1882.90s | So it's a lot, and it takes a big team to get it done. 1884.10s - 1886.26s | Here's some of the stats from this year. 1887.54s - 1890.54s | I'm gonna breeze through these, if that's okay, for time. 1891.46s - 1892.62s | If you have any questions, 1892.62s - 1895.30s | there'll be a pointer at the end. 1896.64s - 1898.30s | But that being said, I do wanna say 1898.30s - 1899.98s | thank you for using the network, 1901.46s - 1904.02s | using it to its fullest potential. 1904.02s - 1909.02s | We were pretty much capped the whole time, 1910.14s - 1914.70s | and I'll be honest about, sorry, quick math, 1916.18s - 1920.34s | about 60% of that was from the secured Wi-Fi, 1920.34s - 1923.46s | and about 20% of that was from the insecure Wi-Fi. 1924.22s - 1929.22s | We had at least 2,500 people online, 1929.58s - 1933.38s | all at the same, sorry, devices online at the same time, 1933.38s - 1935.02s | because people around here tend 1935.02s - 1937.02s | to only have one device on them, right? 1938.18s - 1941.58s | And again, the majority is still working on secure, 1941.58s - 1943.40s | so it is a good place to go. 1944.74s - 1949.74s | WIDI repartee, again, you really use the network 1949.78s - 1951.50s | to its fullest potential, 1952.06s - 1955.46s | and that really caused a lot of getting out of the gate, 1955.46s - 1958.06s | starting, and hitting the brakes. 1959.02s - 1960.20s | So thank you for that, 1960.20s - 1963.14s | but also something we gotta work on, so sorry about that. 1965.26s - 1968.46s | And I really kind of wanna put a shout-out, personally, 1968.46s - 1970.78s | to a lot of the Cox Communication folks, 1970.78s - 1973.06s | especially their wireless team. 1973.06s - 1974.42s | We are relying on them. 1974.42s - 1976.18s | You noticed on the previous slide, 1976.18s - 1980.02s | there's 650 access points in this room. 1980.06s - 1982.74s | That's a lot of money to be putting into equipment, 1982.74s - 1985.38s | which is only used once or twice a year. 1985.38s - 1987.90s | So we're really kind of starting to leverage


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on them, right? 1938.18s - 1941.58s | And again, the majority is still working on secure, 1941.58s - 1943.40s | so it is a good place to go. 1944.74s - 1949.74s | WIDI repartee, again, you really use the network 1949.78s - 1951.50s | to its fullest potential, 1952.06s - 1955.46s | and that really caused a lot of getting out of the gate, 1955.46s - 1958.06s | starting, and hitting the brakes. 1959.02s - 1960.20s | So thank you for that, 1960.20s - 1963.14s | but also something we gotta work on, so sorry about that. 1965.26s - 1968.46s | And I really kind of wanna put a shout-out, personally, 1968.46s - 1970.78s | to a lot of the Cox Communication folks, 1970.78s - 1973.06s | especially their wireless team. 1973.06s - 1974.42s | We are relying on them. 1974.42s - 1976.18s | You noticed on the previous slide, 1976.18s - 1980.02s | there's 650 access points in this room. 1980.06s - 1982.74s | That's a lot of money to be putting into equipment, 1982.74s - 1985.38s | which is only used once or twice a year. 1985.38s - 1987.90s | So we're really kind of starting to leverage 1987.90s - 1990.88s | the facilities here for some of the things 1990.88s - 1995.06s | that are much, much higher ticket item and harder to use. 1995.06s - 1996.74s | But they were awesome to work with, 1996.74s - 1999.14s | and pretty much worked with everything 1999.14s - 2000.78s | that we wanted from them. 2002.60s - 2005.10s | Bandwidth, Jeff, we need more bandwidth back here. 2006.42s - 2007.72s | Tell him, don't tell me. 2010.94s - 2013.22s | We have a bunch of stats with regards to what we saw 2013.22s - 2015.64s | from attacks and random things around there. 2017.18s - 2020.74s | Almost 1,000 different SSIDs advertised from various people. 2022.38s - 2025.74s | And not a lot of those were actual mobile hotspots. 2025.74s - 2027.86s | They tended to be other items, 2027.86s - 2029.62s | if you know what I'm talking about. 2031.02s - 2034.90s | And so, again, these stats and some more detailed ones 2034.90s - 2036.86s | will be going up to NOC in a minute. 2037.86s - 2041.66s | I really wanna put some call out to the team. 2041.66s - 2043.34s | Everybody there. 2043.34s


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Darrington from Defcon Social, 2413.32s - 2414.88s | who helped us get all the YouTube stuff 2414.88s - 2417.04s | and all that coordinated. 2417.04s - 2417.88s | All right. 2417.88s - 2418.70s | Thank you so much. 2418.70s - 2424.93s | Appreciate it. 2424.93s - 2425.77s | Well, this is great. 2425.77s - 2429.21s | The new laptop doesn't show me the next slide. 2429.21s - 2430.37s | Okay, let's roll the dice. 2430.37s - 2432.61s | Who do we think the next slide's gonna be? 2432.61s - 2433.85s | I'll get Japanese. 2433.85s - 2435.17s | Exhibitors. 2435.17s - 2436.01s | Okay. 2437.53s - 2441.61s | Is anyone here to talk about? 2441.61s - 2442.61s | Okay, here he comes. 2443.61s - 2454.38s | I'm supposed to stay close. 2454.38s - 2459.88s | Hello, Defcon. 2459.88s - 2465.80s | I already forgot what I was gonna say. 2465.80s - 2470.50s | So myself and KevOps, the official KevOps department, 2470.50s - 2473.98s | work year-round to engage with organizations 2473.98s - 2476.80s | that embody the spirit of Defcon, 2476.80s - 2480.52s | who truly give back to the Defcon community. 2480.52s - 2483.84s | This year's exhibitors provided amazing content 2484.84s - 2491.61s | with great swag to our attendees. 2491.61s - 2494.57s | In keeping with Defcon's transparency, 2494.57s - 2499.11s | 72% of the net proceeds that was generated this year 2499.11s - 2503.17s | from exhibitors was converted to hotel accommodations 2503.17s - 2508.55s | for our world-famous content creators. 2508.55s - 2514.19s | Yeah, give it up. 2514.19s - 2517.31s | 21% went to charitable organizations 2517.31s - 2519.67s | that directly support the EFF, 2519.67s - 2522.67s | or I'm sorry, Defcon communities. 2523.31s - 2524.15s | Like the EFF. 2525.45s - 2533.42s | 7% supported official Defcon parties. 2533.42s - 2535.66s | NFO group is up. 2535.66s - 2547.21s | Thanks, everyone. 2547.21s - 2548.97s | It does show, right? 2548.97s - 2550.29s | It does show, it's in the top right. 2550.29s - 2551.13s | Can you see it? 2551.13s - 2551.97s | It's that little teeny? 2551.97s - 2553.29s | No, you just want a larger? 2553.29s - 2556.75s | Okay. 2556.75s - 2557.59s | Oh, there you go. 2557.59s - 2564.70s | Okay, perfect. 2564.70s - 2566.50s | Hello, everyone. 2566.50s - 2569.42s | Who came out to


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provided amazing content 2484.84s - 2491.61s | with great swag to our attendees. 2491.61s - 2494.57s | In keeping with Defcon's transparency, 2494.57s - 2499.11s | 72% of the net proceeds that was generated this year 2499.11s - 2503.17s | from exhibitors was converted to hotel accommodations 2503.17s - 2508.55s | for our world-famous content creators. 2508.55s - 2514.19s | Yeah, give it up. 2514.19s - 2517.31s | 21% went to charitable organizations 2517.31s - 2519.67s | that directly support the EFF, 2519.67s - 2522.67s | or I'm sorry, Defcon communities. 2523.31s - 2524.15s | Like the EFF. 2525.45s - 2533.42s | 7% supported official Defcon parties. 2533.42s - 2535.66s | NFO group is up. 2535.66s - 2547.21s | Thanks, everyone. 2547.21s - 2548.97s | It does show, right? 2548.97s - 2550.29s | It does show, it's in the top right. 2550.29s - 2551.13s | Can you see it? 2551.13s - 2551.97s | It's that little teeny? 2551.97s - 2553.29s | No, you just want a larger? 2553.29s - 2556.75s | Okay. 2556.75s - 2557.59s | Oh, there you go. 2557.59s - 2564.70s | Okay, perfect. 2564.70s - 2566.50s | Hello, everyone. 2566.50s - 2569.42s | Who came out to visit one of the info nodes 2569.42s - 2572.95s | and asked us a question? 2572.95s - 2574.95s | How many of you got right answers? 2575.07s - 2576.51s | No. 2576.51s - 2577.83s | We don't always get it right, 2577.83s - 2580.43s | but that's just how Khan is. 2580.43s - 2582.61s | So I just want to take the time 2582.61s - 2584.63s | to thank my second little Rue. 2584.63s - 2587.79s | Without her support, I couldn't do what I do. 2587.79s - 2590.13s | So I want to thank her first, 2590.13s - 2591.95s | and then all of my info goons, 2591.95s - 2593.23s | they're scattered about 2593.23s - 2595.91s | because there's over 50 of us now. 2595.91s - 2599.79s | And now I want to thank DT, Nikita, 2601.11s - 2603.91s | all of our HQ folks that helped support us 2603.91s - 2605.79s | because, you know, without you guys, 2605.79s - 2606.63s | we wouldn't be here. 2606.63s - 2608.67s | So I really appreciate all of you. 2608.67s - 2609.51s | HackerTracker. 2609.51s - 2610.35s | I'll get there. 2610.35s - 2611.17s | Okay. 2611.17s - 2612.01s


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visit one of the info nodes 2569.42s - 2572.95s | and asked us a question? 2572.95s - 2574.95s | How many of you got right answers? 2575.07s - 2576.51s | No. 2576.51s - 2577.83s | We don't always get it right, 2577.83s - 2580.43s | but that's just how Khan is. 2580.43s - 2582.61s | So I just want to take the time 2582.61s - 2584.63s | to thank my second little Rue. 2584.63s - 2587.79s | Without her support, I couldn't do what I do. 2587.79s - 2590.13s | So I want to thank her first, 2590.13s - 2591.95s | and then all of my info goons, 2591.95s - 2593.23s | they're scattered about 2593.23s - 2595.91s | because there's over 50 of us now. 2595.91s - 2599.79s | And now I want to thank DT, Nikita, 2601.11s - 2603.91s | all of our HQ folks that helped support us 2603.91s - 2605.79s | because, you know, without you guys, 2605.79s - 2606.63s | we wouldn't be here. 2606.63s - 2608.67s | So I really appreciate all of you. 2608.67s - 2609.51s | HackerTracker. 2609.51s - 2610.35s | I'll get there. 2610.35s - 2611.17s | Okay. 2611.17s - 2612.01s | Give me a minute. 2614.59s - 2616.39s | So without you guys, we wouldn't be here. 2616.39s - 2618.95s | So I just want to say thank you to you guys. 2618.95s - 2620.67s | Appreciate you very much. 2620.67s - 2623.63s | And then the other team that really supports info 2623.63s - 2625.63s | is the HackerTracker folks. 2625.63s - 2627.21s | You know, you guys run our website, 2627.21s - 2628.55s | you guys create the great app, 2628.55s - 2629.77s | and I just want to thank you guys 2629.77s - 2632.43s | for everything you do for us to help support us. 2632.43s - 2635.19s | Get the right information out to you guys. 2635.19s - 2636.95s | And then finally, I want to thank all of you humans 2636.95s - 2638.65s | for coming to talk to us 2638.65s - 2642.39s | and for taking all of last year's badges off our tables 2642.39s - 2644.77s | because we had just had boxes and boxes. 2644.77s - 2646.55s | So with that, thank you very much. 2646.55s - 2655.72s | See you guys next year. 2655.72s - 2656.56s | All right. 2656.56s -


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| Give me a minute. 2614.59s - 2616.39s | So without you guys, we wouldn't be here. 2616.39s - 2618.95s | So I just want to say thank you to you guys. 2618.95s - 2620.67s | Appreciate you very much. 2620.67s - 2623.63s | And then the other team that really supports info 2623.63s - 2625.63s | is the HackerTracker folks. 2625.63s - 2627.21s | You know, you guys run our website, 2627.21s - 2628.55s | you guys create the great app, 2628.55s - 2629.77s | and I just want to thank you guys 2629.77s - 2632.43s | for everything you do for us to help support us. 2632.43s - 2635.19s | Get the right information out to you guys. 2635.19s - 2636.95s | And then finally, I want to thank all of you humans 2636.95s - 2638.65s | for coming to talk to us 2638.65s - 2642.39s | and for taking all of last year's badges off our tables 2642.39s - 2644.77s | because we had just had boxes and boxes. 2644.77s - 2646.55s | So with that, thank you very much. 2646.55s - 2655.72s | See you guys next year. 2655.72s - 2656.56s | All right. 2656.56s - 2657.74s | Speakers. 2659.76s - 2660.88s | Hello, DEF CON. 2662.36s - 2663.20s | I'm Pasties. 2663.20s - 2665.30s | I'm number two for speaker operations. 2665.30s - 2668.44s | We're responsible for tracks one through four 2668.44s - 2669.28s | and war stories. 2669.64s - 2671.72s | So if you saw any talks in there, 2671.72s - 2676.44s | our team was the one that was getting people out and about 2676.44s - 2677.56s | and like talking to each other, 2677.56s - 2680.56s | engaging with some of the active content creators. 2680.56s - 2682.88s | But we had another stage, 2682.88s - 2684.88s | which was managed by a separate team. 2684.88s - 2687.24s | It was the content creator stage. 2687.24s - 2688.28s | They talked to us, 2688.28s - 2690.20s | but they ran almost entirely on their own. 2690.20s - 2692.96s | They just asked us a few questions ahead of time 2692.96s - 2695.72s | and then they were off to the races and they rocked it. 2695.72s - 2697.78s | Who saw content creator talks? 2698.78s - 2700.10s | Yeah. 2700.10s - 2702.66s | Who saw main stage talks? 2702.66s - 2703.50s


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- 2954.32s | Created it, yeah. 2954.32s - 2955.88s | Thank you to our goons. 2955.88s - 2959.04s | Danny, Charms, McMayhem, Deca, and Louise as well. 2959.04s - 2968.50s | So thanks, everybody. 2968.50s - 2969.90s | All right. 2969.90s - 2970.74s | Show of hands. 2970.74s - 2972.94s | How many people attended a workshop? 2974.14s - 2976.74s | How many wished they could have attended a workshop? 2977.64s - 2979.32s | Yeah, we're trying. 2980.40s - 2982.40s | Okay, let's bring up the workshop team. 2987.54s - 2988.38s | Hey, everyone. 2990.84s - 2991.88s | Thank you guys all. 2991.88s - 2992.72s | This is so much fun. 2992.72s - 2993.54s | I love this. 2993.54s - 2995.56s | So workshops is, if you're not aware, 2995.84s - 2996.84s | there are four-hour, 2996.84s - 2998.80s | this year there were four-hour sessions. 2998.80s - 3001.60s | We had over 29, 3001.60s - 3003.68s | or we had 29 bespoke sessions. 3003.68s - 3006.40s | That was, thanks to my second for that beautiful word. 3007.36s - 3010.44s | Of those 29 sessions, we covered so many different topics. 3010.44s - 3011.56s | There's a little bit of a blend 3011.56s - 3013.80s | of both blue and red team stuff. 3013.80s - 3017.32s | Lots of hacking going on, and a lot of defending, too. 3017.32s - 3019.30s | Some of the best points that we had, 3019.30s - 3021.72s | we had our four-hour sessions. 3021.72s - 3023.84s | Our tickets, when they go online, 3023.84s - 3025.80s | those go up usually like first week of July, 3025.80s - 3027.20s | right after the 4th of July weekend 3027.20s - 3028.76s | here in the United States. 3028.76s - 3030.56s | Sold out within three minutes. 3030.56s - 3033.72s | So when I say sold out, these are free sessions. 3033.72s - 3035.66s | Our instructors come in, 3035.66s - 3037.84s | they do this out of the goodness of their hearts. 3037.84s - 3040.48s | We put these on and just have a blast doing it, 3040.48s - 3041.84s | supporting them in any way we can, 3041.84s - 3044.12s | supporting the community as well. 3044.12s - 3047.68s | So three minutes after tickets go on sale. 3047.68s - 3049.60s | One of the best things that we've got 3049.60s - 3053.32s


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| Thank you. 3460.32s - 3464.12s | So for many of you, DEF CON is over shortly, 3464.12s - 3466.92s | but there is another two days of training. 3466.92s - 3468.68s | This is something we started a few years ago. 3468.68s - 3472.04s | So for many of us, well, for some of us, I should say, 3472.04s - 3475.56s | Monday and Tuesday is more training 3475.56s - 3477.52s | over at the, where are we at? 3477.52s - 3478.88s | Sahara? 3478.88s - 3479.72s | Yes. 3479.72s - 3481.36s | Yeah, Sahara. 3481.36s - 3482.28s | And when we started it, 3482.28s - 3483.64s | we tried to do something a little different 3483.64s - 3484.48s | with the community. 3484.48s - 3487.76s | We're splitting the revenue 50-50 with the trainers 3487.76s - 3490.16s | because we think that's fair. 3490.16s - 3492.88s | And so we have a pretty diverse set of training. 3492.88s - 3494.32s | That's pretty cool. 3494.32s - 3498.40s | Okay, next up, arts and entertainment. 3499.36s - 3505.92s | Chris AM. 3505.92s - 3508.20s | We have, oh, here we go. 3508.20s - 3513.20s | From my left stage right, Chris AM and crew. 3514.04s - 3516.00s | We should really have some deep drum 3516.00s - 3523.12s | and bass playing right now. 3523.12s - 3524.32s | Hey everybody, I'm Chris AM, 3524.32s - 3527.36s | the arts and entertainment department head. 3527.36s - 3530.84s | Our purview is the main parties that you see 3530.84s - 3532.36s | in the Syn and the Axe stages, 3532.36s - 3535.04s | as well as helping out a lot of the other groups 3535.04s - 3539.32s | around here, the parties team, a lot of the villages, 3539.32s - 3540.72s | a lot of the side events. 3540.72s - 3542.64s | We try to help them out as much as possible. 3543.16s - 3544.92s | And I've got a really great set of goons 3544.92s - 3546.56s | that are working for me 3546.56s - 3549.56s | that just really bust it every time, all day, every day. 3549.56s - 3554.32s | We're up to all hours and it's really fun, super fun. 3554.32s - 3557.64s | And I want to thank everybody that attended our parties 3557.64s - 3559.96s | up in the Syn and the Axe stages. 3559.96s


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right, Chris AM and crew. 3514.04s - 3516.00s | We should really have some deep drum 3516.00s - 3523.12s | and bass playing right now. 3523.12s - 3524.32s | Hey everybody, I'm Chris AM, 3524.32s - 3527.36s | the arts and entertainment department head. 3527.36s - 3530.84s | Our purview is the main parties that you see 3530.84s - 3532.36s | in the Syn and the Axe stages, 3532.36s - 3535.04s | as well as helping out a lot of the other groups 3535.04s - 3539.32s | around here, the parties team, a lot of the villages, 3539.32s - 3540.72s | a lot of the side events. 3540.72s - 3542.64s | We try to help them out as much as possible. 3543.16s - 3544.92s | And I've got a really great set of goons 3544.92s - 3546.56s | that are working for me 3546.56s - 3549.56s | that just really bust it every time, all day, every day. 3549.56s - 3554.32s | We're up to all hours and it's really fun, super fun. 3554.32s - 3557.64s | And I want to thank everybody that attended our parties 3557.64s - 3559.96s | up in the Syn and the Axe stages. 3559.96s - 3566.45s | Did anybody get to see the Pirate Band last night? 3566.45s - 3568.09s | Did anybody dress up? 3569.29s - 3570.45s | Yeah. 3571.93s - 3574.37s | And what did you think of the night before that 3574.81s - 3575.65s | with the retro sci-fi? 3575.65s - 3576.49s | Did anybody dress up for that? 3576.49s - 3581.25s | We had some really cool homemade costumes that people made. 3582.85s - 3584.69s | So I wanted to thank a couple of people 3584.69s - 3587.25s | before I get off the stage here. 3587.25s - 3589.77s | So I want to thank my entire crew. 3589.77s - 3592.73s | I want to thank my second, Chris Klink. 3592.73s - 3594.73s | He couldn't join us here on stage today, 3594.73s - 3597.33s | but the rest of us are here. 3597.33s - 3599.81s | We'll talk about the folks behind me in a second. 3599.81s - 3602.17s | I'd like to thank everybody in QM. 3602.17s - 3604.05s | They were gracious hosts to us. 3604.73s - 3605.77s | They carved out a nice little space for us 3605.77s - 3608.29s | right behind this wall for


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- 3566.45s | Did anybody get to see the Pirate Band last night? 3566.45s - 3568.09s | Did anybody dress up? 3569.29s - 3570.45s | Yeah. 3571.93s - 3574.37s | And what did you think of the night before that 3574.81s - 3575.65s | with the retro sci-fi? 3575.65s - 3576.49s | Did anybody dress up for that? 3576.49s - 3581.25s | We had some really cool homemade costumes that people made. 3582.85s - 3584.69s | So I wanted to thank a couple of people 3584.69s - 3587.25s | before I get off the stage here. 3587.25s - 3589.77s | So I want to thank my entire crew. 3589.77s - 3592.73s | I want to thank my second, Chris Klink. 3592.73s - 3594.73s | He couldn't join us here on stage today, 3594.73s - 3597.33s | but the rest of us are here. 3597.33s - 3599.81s | We'll talk about the folks behind me in a second. 3599.81s - 3602.17s | I'd like to thank everybody in QM. 3602.17s - 3604.05s | They were gracious hosts to us. 3604.73s - 3605.77s | They carved out a nice little space for us 3605.77s - 3608.29s | right behind this wall for all of our gear. 3608.29s - 3611.97s | I want to thank Log and his parties team. 3611.97s - 3614.09s | They were really, really helpful to us, 3614.09s - 3616.13s | getting gear back and forth, getting stuff set up, 3616.13s - 3617.09s | teared down on time. 3617.09s - 3619.69s | So that was really helpful. 3619.69s - 3620.85s | There are so many other people 3620.85s - 3622.97s | that we need help and assistance from 3622.97s - 3626.73s | to make things successful that just can't list. 3626.73s - 3631.57s | Behind me on the screen are the performers that you've seen. 3631.57s - 3633.53s | Really, really like to have them there. 3635.05s - 3637.41s | So everything that we did was recorded. 3637.41s - 3641.89s | You'll be able to see it in the DEF CON archive pretty soon, 3641.89s - 3643.45s | as soon as we get it up there. 3644.41s - 3647.09s | I know I'm forgetting some things. 3648.13s - 3649.77s | What do we want to do next? 3649.77s - 3652.53s | Yeah, so this is a transitional year for us. 3652.53s - 3654.69s | We're going to play a


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3712.59s | He's our resident audio goon and video guy extraordinaire. 3713.67s - 3717.47s | He helped me a huge, huge, huge thanks 3717.47s - 3720.55s | for all your help in getting the video done 3720.63s - 3724.55s | for our Twitch stream and all of our recording. 3724.55s - 3728.99s | Absolutely phenomenal work from him and his right-hand man. 3728.99s - 3730.71s | On my other side here is Shorzy. 3731.55s - 3734.15s | Shorzy's our new lighting guy. 3734.15s - 3737.47s | He did a lot of the lighting for our chill room. 3737.47s - 3738.95s | Had an absolute blast, 3738.95s - 3741.51s | made that room look completely different. 3741.51s - 3743.71s | It was white walls when we walked in. 3743.71s - 3747.79s | It was absolute color when he got done with it. 3747.79s - 3749.11s | So big thanks to him. 3750.11s - 3752.79s | Let's see, we did all the recordings. 3752.79s - 3755.35s | We did have a little bit of a problem on Friday night. 3755.35s - 3758.19s | We lost some internet connectivity. 3758.19s - 3760.31s | It's DEF CON, it happens. 3760.31s - 3762.39s | Luckily though, we recorded it all. 3762.39s - 3765.51s | It will be on media.defcon.org. 3765.51s - 3767.55s | Give me a couple weeks. 3767.55s - 3769.23s | I need to decompress. 3770.15s - 3772.11s | I need to decompress just a little bit. 3772.11s - 3774.07s | I'll get all that footage all nice and neat. 3774.07s - 3776.31s | All the music, all nice and neat. 3776.31s - 3778.47s | We'll get it uploaded to you guys. 3778.83s - 3780.23s | It'll be great to listen to. 3781.63s - 3782.59s | I think that's it. 3783.43s - 3784.27s | Go ahead. 3784.27s - 3787.27s | Look out for the call for music for next year's DEF CON 3787.27s - 3789.79s | starting right around January 1st. 3789.79s - 3792.11s | And we'll be opening the call for soundtrack 3792.11s - 3793.23s | soon after that. 3793.23s - 3796.95s | Yeah, that's gonna be on defconmusic.org. 3796.95s - 3800.59s | Our site will have an announcement up there for you. 3800.59s - 3801.43s | Thank you guys. 3801.43s - 3810.20s | See you next year. 3810.20s - 3813.12s | Okay, so music is an appropriate entry point 3813.16s - 3816.28s


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though, we recorded it all. 3762.39s - 3765.51s | It will be on media.defcon.org. 3765.51s - 3767.55s | Give me a couple weeks. 3767.55s - 3769.23s | I need to decompress. 3770.15s - 3772.11s | I need to decompress just a little bit. 3772.11s - 3774.07s | I'll get all that footage all nice and neat. 3774.07s - 3776.31s | All the music, all nice and neat. 3776.31s - 3778.47s | We'll get it uploaded to you guys. 3778.83s - 3780.23s | It'll be great to listen to. 3781.63s - 3782.59s | I think that's it. 3783.43s - 3784.27s | Go ahead. 3784.27s - 3787.27s | Look out for the call for music for next year's DEF CON 3787.27s - 3789.79s | starting right around January 1st. 3789.79s - 3792.11s | And we'll be opening the call for soundtrack 3792.11s - 3793.23s | soon after that. 3793.23s - 3796.95s | Yeah, that's gonna be on defconmusic.org. 3796.95s - 3800.59s | Our site will have an announcement up there for you. 3800.59s - 3801.43s | Thank you guys. 3801.43s - 3810.20s | See you next year. 3810.20s - 3813.12s | Okay, so music is an appropriate entry point 3813.16s - 3816.28s | into parties and meetups. 3816.28s - 3825.33s | Yeah. 3825.33s - 3826.17s | Who's that guy on stage? 3826.17s - 3827.69s | What, you just noticed the patch? 3828.73s - 3829.57s | Hey, I'm Log. 3829.57s - 3831.69s | I am the parties and meetups lead. 3831.69s - 3833.17s | Quick show of hands. 3833.17s - 3835.61s | Who all attended one of our awesome parties 3835.61s - 3837.05s | and meetups this weekend? 3837.97s - 3843.01s | Hell yeah. 3843.01s - 3844.81s | We just want to thank everyone for hosting a meetup 3844.81s - 3846.37s | first off. 3846.37s - 3849.25s | Absolutely, you can really need it in the community. 3849.25s - 3852.13s | Great places to go to meet up with your DC groups, 3852.17s - 3855.69s | with just random people that you have interests with. 3855.69s - 3859.93s | Also, thank you everyone for hosting a party as well. 3859.93s - 3861.81s | Absolutely amazing time. 3861.81s - 3864.25s | Loved every single minute of it. 3864.25s - 3868.05s | You guys absolutely know how to actually throw 3868.05s - 3869.29s | and run a party. 3871.05s - 3874.42s | Nope. 3874.42s -


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3983.02s - 3985.74s | And anyway, this is kind of an outgrowth 3985.74s - 3987.26s | of reaching out into the community 3987.26s - 3988.82s | and finding people who've been, 3988.82s - 3991.58s | have experience building like shorts. 3991.58s - 3994.18s | And this is, I think the third year we're doing it. 3994.18s - 3995.22s | And what we really try to do 3995.22s - 3997.70s | is capture behind the scenes moments, 3997.70s - 3999.26s | more than just a picture. 4000.10s - 4003.38s | We wanted to really like empower a group of people 4003.38s - 4005.02s | sort of as internal Defcon 4006.66s - 4009.06s | badged representatives that would go out 4009.06s - 4011.30s | and capture good stories from the community. 4011.30s - 4012.46s | What are you doing in this village? 4013.30s - 4016.34s | Tell me about this cool aviation simulation. 4016.34s - 4018.66s | And really capturing the stories that like, 4018.66s - 4020.58s | I don't get to see. 4020.58s - 4023.38s | So I can watch them all and feel like I saw my own con. 4025.30s - 4027.70s | And the idea then is to have these, 4027.70s - 4029.78s | you wanna show somebody what's the con all about, 4029.78s - 4032.46s | like a mini documentary of all the things that happened. 4032.46s - 4036.82s | And so all these have been recorded and captured. 4036.82s - 4039.10s | They're being edited and uploaded 4039.10s - 4040.62s | and we'll start releasing them as shorts 4040.62s - 4041.74s | on our YouTube channel. 4041.78s - 4044.14s | And then they'll end up on the media server. 4044.14s - 4049.14s | So I wanna thank all of the video team for doing this 4049.14s - 4053.98s | because you're really allowing the preservation 4053.98s - 4055.34s | of some of the spirit of Defcon 4055.34s - 4057.86s | that's not captured in either the music recordings 4057.86s - 4058.74s | or the talk recording. 4058.74s - 4060.06s | So thank you very much. 4060.06s - 4067.40s | Give them a round of applause. 4067.40s - 4069.76s | So next up will be communities. 4069.76s - 4074.90s | Communities. 4074.90s - 4077.30s | Someone represent, there he is. 4077.30s - 4085.17s | Right on. 4085.17s - 4086.09s | Hello, I'm Pedro. 4086.09s - 4087.77s | I'm


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these, 4027.70s - 4029.78s | you wanna show somebody what's the con all about, 4029.78s - 4032.46s | like a mini documentary of all the things that happened. 4032.46s - 4036.82s | And so all these have been recorded and captured. 4036.82s - 4039.10s | They're being edited and uploaded 4039.10s - 4040.62s | and we'll start releasing them as shorts 4040.62s - 4041.74s | on our YouTube channel. 4041.78s - 4044.14s | And then they'll end up on the media server. 4044.14s - 4049.14s | So I wanna thank all of the video team for doing this 4049.14s - 4053.98s | because you're really allowing the preservation 4053.98s - 4055.34s | of some of the spirit of Defcon 4055.34s - 4057.86s | that's not captured in either the music recordings 4057.86s - 4058.74s | or the talk recording. 4058.74s - 4060.06s | So thank you very much. 4060.06s - 4067.40s | Give them a round of applause. 4067.40s - 4069.76s | So next up will be communities. 4069.76s - 4074.90s | Communities. 4074.90s - 4077.30s | Someone represent, there he is. 4077.30s - 4085.17s | Right on. 4085.17s - 4086.09s | Hello, I'm Pedro. 4086.09s - 4087.77s | I'm not actually the communities lead, 4087.77s - 4090.49s | but I was working hand in hand with Chef 4090.49s - 4092.57s | who is our first year communities lead. 4092.57s - 4096.01s | He's also accompanied by Seams and Fork. 4096.01s - 4099.77s | They serviced and assisted with the facilitation 4099.77s - 4101.81s | and logistics for 13 communities, 4101.81s - 4105.01s | which is a new department we've been working on. 4105.01s - 4109.81s | Well, by we, I mean, Nikita has been working on defining, 4109.81s - 4112.77s | getting it started, getting them spaces 4112.77s - 4115.81s | and giving them the opportunity to grow organically 4116.49s - 4119.45s | to hopefully continue on with Defcon. 4120.57s - 4131.53s | I'm gonna end it there just for the sake of time. 4131.53s - 4133.17s | If you want to start a community 4133.17s - 4136.05s | or you think you've got a large enough affinity group, 4136.05s - 4139.53s | just apply like any other contest, village or event, 4139.53s - 4141.33s | and we'll try to make space for you. 4142.89s - 4146.85s | Villages, a big, big department. 4146.85s - 4147.81s | Come on


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not actually the communities lead, 4087.77s - 4090.49s | but I was working hand in hand with Chef 4090.49s - 4092.57s | who is our first year communities lead. 4092.57s - 4096.01s | He's also accompanied by Seams and Fork. 4096.01s - 4099.77s | They serviced and assisted with the facilitation 4099.77s - 4101.81s | and logistics for 13 communities, 4101.81s - 4105.01s | which is a new department we've been working on. 4105.01s - 4109.81s | Well, by we, I mean, Nikita has been working on defining, 4109.81s - 4112.77s | getting it started, getting them spaces 4112.77s - 4115.81s | and giving them the opportunity to grow organically 4116.49s - 4119.45s | to hopefully continue on with Defcon. 4120.57s - 4131.53s | I'm gonna end it there just for the sake of time. 4131.53s - 4133.17s | If you want to start a community 4133.17s - 4136.05s | or you think you've got a large enough affinity group, 4136.05s - 4139.53s | just apply like any other contest, village or event, 4139.53s - 4141.33s | and we'll try to make space for you. 4142.89s - 4146.85s | Villages, a big, big department. 4146.85s - 4147.81s | Come on down. 4154.57s - 4157.41s | You guys will notice that Pedro's back. 4158.41s - 4160.53s | He's got a longer list of things to say this time, 4160.53s - 4161.77s | so I apologize now. 4163.49s - 4167.41s | So we'd first like to start off with some stats. 4167.41s - 4169.41s | So there's 34 total villages. 4169.41s - 4170.81s | We're counting communities underneath us 4170.81s - 4172.69s | because it was the on-ramp year form and stuff too. 4172.69s - 4174.53s | And we definitely helped Chef 4174.53s - 4176.37s | with his facilitation for this year. 4176.37s - 4178.29s | And then also this is the first year 4178.29s - 4179.97s | that we had the creator stages. 4179.97s - 4184.13s | So Ray's behind us as well, helped lead that. 4184.13s - 4185.13s | Huh? 4185.17s - 4188.25s | I'm sorry, Ray's Ops, specifically. 4188.25s - 4191.25s | May or may not be in direct competition with Kev Ops. 4192.77s - 4195.37s | Did just an outstanding, spectacular job. 4195.37s - 4196.41s | I don't want to steal his thunder, 4196.41s - 4198.61s | so I won't talk about it too much. 4198.61s - 4200.33s


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down. 4154.57s - 4157.41s | You guys will notice that Pedro's back. 4158.41s - 4160.53s | He's got a longer list of things to say this time, 4160.53s - 4161.77s | so I apologize now. 4163.49s - 4167.41s | So we'd first like to start off with some stats. 4167.41s - 4169.41s | So there's 34 total villages. 4169.41s - 4170.81s | We're counting communities underneath us 4170.81s - 4172.69s | because it was the on-ramp year form and stuff too. 4172.69s - 4174.53s | And we definitely helped Chef 4174.53s - 4176.37s | with his facilitation for this year. 4176.37s - 4178.29s | And then also this is the first year 4178.29s - 4179.97s | that we had the creator stages. 4179.97s - 4184.13s | So Ray's behind us as well, helped lead that. 4184.13s - 4185.13s | Huh? 4185.17s - 4188.25s | I'm sorry, Ray's Ops, specifically. 4188.25s - 4191.25s | May or may not be in direct competition with Kev Ops. 4192.77s - 4195.37s | Did just an outstanding, spectacular job. 4195.37s - 4196.41s | I don't want to steal his thunder, 4196.41s - 4198.61s | so I won't talk about it too much. 4198.61s - 4200.33s | But definitely want to do a special thanks 4200.33s - 4202.01s | to all the village leads, 4202.01s - 4204.01s | all the volunteers within the villages. 4205.49s - 4209.25s | You guys encompass around 660,000 square feet. 4209.25s - 4210.45s | That is Defcon. 4210.45s - 4212.25s | Unfortunately for us, 4212.29s - 4215.49s | it's in a 1.4 million square foot facilities. 4215.49s - 4217.61s | That means that we have to run all over the place 4217.61s - 4219.41s | because it's not all consolidated in one place. 4219.41s - 4222.61s | So our goons definitely get a lot of steps in, 4222.61s - 4224.49s | but I'll let Pedro go next. 4226.01s - 4227.81s | So first of all, I'd like to start 4227.81s - 4232.05s | with 128 page PowerPoint presentation on what went wrong. 4233.13s - 4235.37s | Before I go, what I would like to do 4235.37s - 4240.37s | is give a special thanks out to DT, Janet, 4240.37s - 4242.25s | Nikita and Neil and their minions 4242.25s - 4243.69s | who chased me around the con. 4244.77s - 4248.13s | A null value for the hacker tracker stuff. 4248.13s


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| But definitely want to do a special thanks 4200.33s - 4202.01s | to all the village leads, 4202.01s - 4204.01s | all the volunteers within the villages. 4205.49s - 4209.25s | You guys encompass around 660,000 square feet. 4209.25s - 4210.45s | That is Defcon. 4210.45s - 4212.25s | Unfortunately for us, 4212.29s - 4215.49s | it's in a 1.4 million square foot facilities. 4215.49s - 4217.61s | That means that we have to run all over the place 4217.61s - 4219.41s | because it's not all consolidated in one place. 4219.41s - 4222.61s | So our goons definitely get a lot of steps in, 4222.61s - 4224.49s | but I'll let Pedro go next. 4226.01s - 4227.81s | So first of all, I'd like to start 4227.81s - 4232.05s | with 128 page PowerPoint presentation on what went wrong. 4233.13s - 4235.37s | Before I go, what I would like to do 4235.37s - 4240.37s | is give a special thanks out to DT, Janet, 4240.37s - 4242.25s | Nikita and Neil and their minions 4242.25s - 4243.69s | who chased me around the con. 4244.77s - 4248.13s | A null value for the hacker tracker stuff. 4248.13s - 4250.93s | Raisin meat for the creator stages. 4250.93s - 4253.85s | Bruiser, he's our official cat wrangler. 4254.73s - 4258.37s | Chef, Seams and Forked for communities work. 4258.37s - 4262.23s | Fox, Flex and Honey for all the administrative assists. 4262.23s - 4265.13s | Honestly, without that help, we would have quit. 4265.13s - 4266.61s | All of our village goons, 4266.61s - 4269.85s | all of the Defcon departments for their assistance, 4269.85s - 4271.21s | all of the content creators 4271.21s - 4274.31s | because nobody would come to Defcon if there wasn't content. 4275.31s - 4276.69s | Definitely want to give a shout out 4276.69s - 4278.37s | to our friends and families for putting up 4278.37s - 4281.49s | with the last minute calls, last minute emergencies 4281.49s - 4286.49s | and all the sacrifices made to get this show on the road. 4286.51s - 4288.89s | Finally, a special shout out. 4288.89s - 4290.89s | I want to give a really big shout out to Nina 4290.89s - 4298.59s | from biohacking and her mom. 4298.59s - 4299.95s | One last thing I'd like to say 4299.95s - 4302.39s | is I'd


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shifts the next day. 4514.51s - 4516.59s | Unrelated to anything that happened here. 4520.40s - 4523.38s | I'd just like to thank everybody from DEF CON headquarters, 4523.38s - 4526.24s | DT, Janet, Nikita, Mar, 4526.24s - 4529.60s | for making sure that things get to us, 4529.60s - 4531.56s | get ordered and everything for us. 4531.56s - 4533.36s | QM for getting this stuff to us. 4533.36s - 4534.92s | Hacker Tracker folks for making 4534.92s - 4537.28s | the electronic ordering work. 4537.28s - 4539.24s | And everybody who was patient waiting in line. 4539.24s - 4546.03s | Thank you very much. 4546.03s - 4547.51s | And I think it goes without saying 4547.51s - 4551.15s | that we'll continue to improve the speed. 4551.15s - 4552.55s | And now that we're in the new space 4552.55s - 4554.55s | and we kind of understand how it works, 4554.55s - 4555.91s | we're gonna try to get really creative 4555.91s - 4558.85s | for other ways to accelerate the merch experience. 4560.03s - 4561.91s | So Demo Labs. 4561.91s - 4564.63s | Not a workshop, not a talk. 4564.63s - 4570.02s | It's a Demo Lab. 4570.02s - 4570.86s | Thanks everybody. 4570.86s - 4573.42s | I'm Heisenberg. 4573.42s - 4575.70s | They've been the lead of Demo Labs for a while. 4575.70s - 4577.22s | I know exactly where I am 4577.26s - 4580.12s | but I'm not quite sure of my momentum. 4580.12s - 4582.22s | The physics joke in DEF CON. 4582.22s - 4583.66s | Good, okay. 4583.66s - 4585.86s | It has been a privilege to lead Demo Labs 4585.86s - 4587.26s | for about the last seven years. 4587.26s - 4589.58s | I'm joined up here on stage with my seconds 4589.58s - 4591.58s | for this year, Verbal and Harold. 4591.58s - 4593.62s | How many of you all went to Demo Lab, 4593.62s - 4596.18s | at least one Demo Lab this year? 4596.18s - 4597.02s | Fantastic. 4597.02s - 4598.44s | I see a decent show of hands. 4598.44s - 4599.34s | Very good. 4599.34s - 4601.66s | For those of you who don't know what Demo Labs is, 4601.66s - 4603.54s | we put out a call for papers every year 4603.54s - 4605.66s | just like a call for Demo Labs, 4605.66s - 4606.86s | just


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4570.02s - 4570.86s | Thanks everybody. 4570.86s - 4573.42s | I'm Heisenberg. 4573.42s - 4575.70s | They've been the lead of Demo Labs for a while. 4575.70s - 4577.22s | I know exactly where I am 4577.26s - 4580.12s | but I'm not quite sure of my momentum. 4580.12s - 4582.22s | The physics joke in DEF CON. 4582.22s - 4583.66s | Good, okay. 4583.66s - 4585.86s | It has been a privilege to lead Demo Labs 4585.86s - 4587.26s | for about the last seven years. 4587.26s - 4589.58s | I'm joined up here on stage with my seconds 4589.58s - 4591.58s | for this year, Verbal and Harold. 4591.58s - 4593.62s | How many of you all went to Demo Lab, 4593.62s - 4596.18s | at least one Demo Lab this year? 4596.18s - 4597.02s | Fantastic. 4597.02s - 4598.44s | I see a decent show of hands. 4598.44s - 4599.34s | Very good. 4599.34s - 4601.66s | For those of you who don't know what Demo Labs is, 4601.66s - 4603.54s | we put out a call for papers every year 4603.54s - 4605.66s | just like a call for Demo Labs, 4605.66s - 4606.86s | just like the call for papers, 4606.86s - 4608.50s | like all the other calls. 4608.50s - 4611.54s | And this year we got around 100 calls, 4611.54s - 4614.82s | or 100 proposals, and we down-select. 4614.82s - 4618.02s | This year we down-selected down to 36 Demo Labs. 4618.02s - 4620.18s | And the whole purpose of Demo Labs 4620.18s - 4622.36s | is to give you, the community, 4622.36s - 4625.54s | the opportunity to engage with the creator 4625.54s - 4627.06s | of that particular project. 4627.06s - 4629.78s | Maybe it's a framework, maybe it's a tool, 4629.78s - 4631.78s | maybe it's some kind of a technique, 4631.78s - 4634.82s | maybe it's something that's still kind of an idea 4634.82s - 4638.26s | and it's getting worked on and it's sort of in process, 4638.26s - 4641.78s | but we really wanna give you the opportunity to interact. 4641.78s - 4643.42s | The whole purpose of Demo Labs 4643.42s - 4645.64s | is to foster this collaboration. 4645.64s - 4647.98s | It's deliberately a small space. 4647.98s - 4652.34s | We ask the presenters to rotate every 30 minutes or so, 4652.34s - 4657.02s


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and the presenter, and then the project evolves and evolves, 4742.28s - 4744.88s | and then a few more years, it comes back, 4744.88s - 4747.84s | and it's just this outstanding, stellar project 4747.84s - 4750.08s | that is really launched into the community, 4750.20s - 4754.24s | and that is all down to you all, and your interactions, 4754.24s - 4757.50s | and your willingness to help interact with the community. 4757.50s - 4759.44s | So that has been fantastic. 4759.44s - 4761.88s | The last thing I want to say is, 4761.88s - 4764.00s | again, it has been a privilege, 4764.00s - 4766.92s | Verbal and Harold did an outstanding job as my second, 4766.92s - 4769.72s | this is my opportunity to take a step back, 4769.72s - 4774.12s | and so for starting with DEF CON, the next DEF CON, 4774.12s - 4776.80s | Verbal and Harold will be the leads for Demo Labs. 4776.80s - 4784.27s | So I want you all to absolutely inundate them 4784.75s - 4787.11s | with outstanding proposals, 4787.11s - 4789.35s | so that they have a complete conundrum. 4789.35s - 4790.79s | That would just be awesome. 4790.79s - 4798.60s | Thank you very much. 4798.60s - 4800.92s | Okay, you might have noticed the giant glowing box 4800.92s - 4803.88s | that was the DARPA AI Cyber Challenge. 4804.76s - 4806.44s | I am not sure if we, 4806.44s - 4810.22s | do we have someone from DARPA AI Cyber Challenge? 4814.36s - 4816.36s | I know we were trying to find Perry. 4817.36s - 4818.92s | But if Perry couldn't make it, 4820.36s - 4822.08s | I will tell you that as year one 4822.08s - 4824.64s | of the second two-year contest, 4824.64s - 4827.40s | this year was essentially the qualifiers. 4827.40s - 4829.34s | Next year will be the finals. 4829.34s - 4832.68s | I am told that next year, the space you saw 4832.68s - 4834.32s | will continue to evolve, 4834.32s - 4837.54s | and is going to get even more complicated and awesome. 4837.54s - 4842.00s | And this year, the pre-qualifiers happen before the event. 4842.00s - 4844.62s | Next year, the finals will happen at the event. 4844.70s - 4845.54s | So it'll be much more 4845.54s - 4849.82s | of a sort of spectator observation next


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year. 4849.82s - 4851.22s | So you'll be able to really see 4851.22s - 4854.18s | what the teams are doing, unlike this year. 4854.18s - 4855.58s | So that is gonna be cool. 4855.58s - 4859.82s | It'll be the final phase of the AI Challenge. 4860.66s - 4864.76s | Okay, next up, Grifter, lead of contests. 4873.58s - 4875.18s | Hey, everybody. 4875.18s - 4877.86s | So, hi, you specifically. 4878.30s - 4883.93s | Um, so we had quite a few contests this year. 4883.93s - 4888.93s | We actually, we received well over 100 contest submissions. 4890.65s - 4895.09s | And we took 89 contests and events, 4895.09s - 4896.49s | official contests and events. 4896.49s - 4898.85s | There are actually more that took place. 4898.85s - 4901.87s | Like, we don't have, you know, 4901.87s - 4905.31s | an official designation for two idiots 4905.31s - 4907.73s | hitting each other in inflatable dinosaur suits, 4907.73s - 4909.93s | but it happens, right? 4909.93s - 4911.93s | I don't know who those people are, 4911.93s - 4913.17s | but they should get help. 4915.21s - 4919.09s | You lost, um, anyway. 4919.09s - 4922.69s | So, this year though, every year I always say, 4922.69s - 4924.73s | if you have an idea for a contest or an event 4924.73s - 4927.17s | that you wanna pull off, please submit. 4927.17s - 4929.85s | Like, try to come, come up with something new. 4929.85s - 4931.49s | If there's something that you experience, 4931.49s - 4935.79s | then you feel like, you know, this, this can, 4935.79s - 4937.25s | I can do this better. 4937.65s - 4940.17s | Do it then, prove it, right? 4940.17s - 4944.89s | But this year we had 19 new contests and events out there. 4944.89s - 4947.81s | So, thank you so much to all the new folks 4947.81s - 4949.13s | who put some skin in the game 4949.13s - 4951.97s | and created something interesting for you. 4953.41s - 4958.29s | Um, I do wanna point something out while I'm up here. 4958.29s - 4961.97s | So, the number one question that my goons are asked, 4961.97s - 4964.97s | and thank you, thank you to all the contests and events goons 4964.97s - 4968.31s | who are making sure that this thing goes off, 4968.31s


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yeah, I was in my hotel room, come find me. 5020.73s - 5022.05s | Come find me. 5023.61s - 5026.85s | All right, again, huge thanks to all the creators, 5026.85s - 5028.69s | everybody who put the time in, 5028.69s - 5031.53s | and for all of the competitors. 5031.53s - 5034.61s | Honestly, these contests and events really create 5034.61s - 5036.89s | the atmosphere that is DEF CON. 5036.89s - 5039.21s | You may not realize that when you experience 5039.21s - 5041.29s | something odd in the hallway, 5041.29s - 5043.35s | or see somebody wandering around 5043.35s - 5045.17s | with some weird contraption, 5045.17s - 5047.43s | that that's just somebody playing a game. 5048.43s - 5053.43s | So, again, I truly believe that the contests and events 5053.75s - 5056.59s | are part of the soul of DEF CON. 5056.59s - 5060.37s | Our motto is not one talk, not even one, right? 5060.37s - 5061.95s | Watch them later on YouTube, it's fine. 5061.95s - 5063.83s | Actually, don't, because we need you in here 5063.83s - 5065.43s | and not in the hallway. 5065.43s - 5070.43s | But like I said, please participate, create, 5070.55s - 5074.19s | and continue to put together amazing things. 5074.27s - 5077.91s | Huge thanks to DT, of course, for throwing this party. 5078.91s - 5083.91s | To Janet, to Neil, Darrington, and all the DEF CON HQ, 5084.15s - 5087.83s | but especially to Nikita, who, 5087.83s - 5093.91s | yes, give her a round of applause, 5093.91s - 5097.75s | who shares many, many phone calls with me, 5097.75s - 5102.33s | and probably thousands of text messages throughout a year. 5102.33s - 5105.71s | The voicemail I got on Friday morning, 5105.71s - 5107.39s | yeah, I'm gonna say it. 5107.39s - 5109.39s | She left me a voicemail and she said, 5109.39s - 5111.99s | Grifter, my brother in Christ, 5111.99s - 5114.63s | if you do not answer this phone 5114.63s - 5117.23s | or call me back in the next 10 minutes, 5117.23s - 5122.19s | I'm going to hurt you, a lot. 5123.45s - 5124.85s | And I got back in five minutes. 5124.85s - 5125.85s | I'm like, am I in the time? 5125.85s - 5128.11s | She's like, mm-hmm, so close. 5129.29s - 5133.11s | So,


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please participate, create, 5070.55s - 5074.19s | and continue to put together amazing things. 5074.27s - 5077.91s | Huge thanks to DT, of course, for throwing this party. 5078.91s - 5083.91s | To Janet, to Neil, Darrington, and all the DEF CON HQ, 5084.15s - 5087.83s | but especially to Nikita, who, 5087.83s - 5093.91s | yes, give her a round of applause, 5093.91s - 5097.75s | who shares many, many phone calls with me, 5097.75s - 5102.33s | and probably thousands of text messages throughout a year. 5102.33s - 5105.71s | The voicemail I got on Friday morning, 5105.71s - 5107.39s | yeah, I'm gonna say it. 5107.39s - 5109.39s | She left me a voicemail and she said, 5109.39s - 5111.99s | Grifter, my brother in Christ, 5111.99s - 5114.63s | if you do not answer this phone 5114.63s - 5117.23s | or call me back in the next 10 minutes, 5117.23s - 5122.19s | I'm going to hurt you, a lot. 5123.45s - 5124.85s | And I got back in five minutes. 5124.85s - 5125.85s | I'm like, am I in the time? 5125.85s - 5128.11s | She's like, mm-hmm, so close. 5129.29s - 5133.11s | So, yes, thank you, Nikita, so much for your support, 5133.11s - 5135.45s | not only here, but as a friend 5135.45s - 5137.29s | and in my personal life as well. 5137.29s - 5140.05s | Thank you to all of you for also being my friends, 5140.05s - 5141.85s | and I appreciate it. 5141.85s - 5143.59s | If you have an idea for a contest, 5143.59s - 5145.41s | the call goes out in January. 5145.41s - 5156.66s | We'll see you then. 5156.66s - 5163.03s | Actually, so, is Jeff back? 5163.03s - 5163.87s | You're back. 5163.87s - 5164.71s | Do you wanna talk about the? 5164.71s - 5166.63s | Yeah, okay, Mar, come on up, Mar. 5166.63s - 5170.43s | So, what I've got around my neck here, 5170.43s - 5171.69s | if you wanna take a picture, 5171.69s - 5174.05s | this is the Uber badge this year, 5175.39s - 5177.99s | and Mar's gonna tell you a little bit 5177.99s - 5183.32s | about its construction and what makes it special. 5183.32s - 5185.60s | All right, so, I wanted to capture 5185.60s - 5189.04s | the glitz and glam of Las Vegas, 5189.04s


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yes, thank you, Nikita, so much for your support, 5133.11s - 5135.45s | not only here, but as a friend 5135.45s - 5137.29s | and in my personal life as well. 5137.29s - 5140.05s | Thank you to all of you for also being my friends, 5140.05s - 5141.85s | and I appreciate it. 5141.85s - 5143.59s | If you have an idea for a contest, 5143.59s - 5145.41s | the call goes out in January. 5145.41s - 5156.66s | We'll see you then. 5156.66s - 5163.03s | Actually, so, is Jeff back? 5163.03s - 5163.87s | You're back. 5163.87s - 5164.71s | Do you wanna talk about the? 5164.71s - 5166.63s | Yeah, okay, Mar, come on up, Mar. 5166.63s - 5170.43s | So, what I've got around my neck here, 5170.43s - 5171.69s | if you wanna take a picture, 5171.69s - 5174.05s | this is the Uber badge this year, 5175.39s - 5177.99s | and Mar's gonna tell you a little bit 5177.99s - 5183.32s | about its construction and what makes it special. 5183.32s - 5185.60s | All right, so, I wanted to capture 5185.60s - 5189.04s | the glitz and glam of Las Vegas, 5189.04s - 5192.96s | so I collaborated with my sister, Amy Valentine, 5192.96s - 5195.92s | and she spent hours and hours 5195.92s - 5198.88s | hand-placing all of these little glass jewels. 5198.88s - 5200.12s | In addition to the glass jewels, 5200.12s - 5204.80s | there is also Swarovski crystals, glass crystals, 5204.80s - 5207.44s | and there's uranium glass, 5207.44s - 5212.44s | which is a nod to Las Vegas's atomic history, 5212.48s - 5217.28s | and a previous black badge that inspired me by Lost, 5217.28s - 5218.64s | if y'all remember that one. 5220.00s - 5221.92s | The veins are a gold leaf, 5221.92s - 5224.04s | which is sort of an expression of the natural history 5224.04s - 5225.40s | of the place that we're in. 5226.36s - 5227.84s | Yeah, so the uranium glass, 5227.84s - 5229.44s | it's a little green eyeball right there, 5229.44s - 5231.52s | and if, yeah, we checked it out in the bathroom earlier 5231.52s - 5233.80s | with a UV light, it was really cool. 5233.80s - 5244.04s | There you go. 5244.04s - 5247.72s | So each one, as you heard, is hand-crafted, 5247.72s - 5251.92s


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- 5192.96s | so I collaborated with my sister, Amy Valentine, 5192.96s - 5195.92s | and she spent hours and hours 5195.92s - 5198.88s | hand-placing all of these little glass jewels. 5198.88s - 5200.12s | In addition to the glass jewels, 5200.12s - 5204.80s | there is also Swarovski crystals, glass crystals, 5204.80s - 5207.44s | and there's uranium glass, 5207.44s - 5212.44s | which is a nod to Las Vegas's atomic history, 5212.48s - 5217.28s | and a previous black badge that inspired me by Lost, 5217.28s - 5218.64s | if y'all remember that one. 5220.00s - 5221.92s | The veins are a gold leaf, 5221.92s - 5224.04s | which is sort of an expression of the natural history 5224.04s - 5225.40s | of the place that we're in. 5226.36s - 5227.84s | Yeah, so the uranium glass, 5227.84s - 5229.44s | it's a little green eyeball right there, 5229.44s - 5231.52s | and if, yeah, we checked it out in the bathroom earlier 5231.52s - 5233.80s | with a UV light, it was really cool. 5233.80s - 5244.04s | There you go. 5244.04s - 5247.72s | So each one, as you heard, is hand-crafted, 5247.72s - 5251.92s | and when you earn, you don't win a gold badge, 5251.92s - 5253.96s | you earn a gold badge. 5255.32s - 5257.72s | Or, yeah, I'm sorry, gold, look at me, 5257.72s - 5259.90s | I'm just like, oh, that's awesome. 5260.90s - 5262.20s | Gold badges are different. 5263.08s - 5265.16s | An uber badge, a black badge, 5265.16s - 5268.26s | and it allows you to enter DEF CON for life, 5268.26s - 5270.20s | which is like a pretty big commitment, 5270.20s - 5275.20s | and we give them out every year 5275.76s - 5280.28s | to contests that we think have reached a certain threshold, 5280.28s - 5283.72s | and the only contest that gets it for sure every year 5283.72s - 5284.92s | is Capture the Flag. 5285.88s - 5287.92s | But beyond that, it's a mystery. 5287.92s - 5292.08s | Who will be a black badge event? 5292.08s - 5293.76s | And to answer that mystery, 5293.76s - 5304.71s | I welcome back up to the stage, Grifter. 5304.71s - 5305.95s | I'm gonna do it. 5307.39s - 5309.63s | Yeah, I'm doing it, yep, there it is. 5309.63s - 5312.07s | So


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| and when you earn, you don't win a gold badge, 5251.92s - 5253.96s | you earn a gold badge. 5255.32s - 5257.72s | Or, yeah, I'm sorry, gold, look at me, 5257.72s - 5259.90s | I'm just like, oh, that's awesome. 5260.90s - 5262.20s | Gold badges are different. 5263.08s - 5265.16s | An uber badge, a black badge, 5265.16s - 5268.26s | and it allows you to enter DEF CON for life, 5268.26s - 5270.20s | which is like a pretty big commitment, 5270.20s - 5275.20s | and we give them out every year 5275.76s - 5280.28s | to contests that we think have reached a certain threshold, 5280.28s - 5283.72s | and the only contest that gets it for sure every year 5283.72s - 5284.92s | is Capture the Flag. 5285.88s - 5287.92s | But beyond that, it's a mystery. 5287.92s - 5292.08s | Who will be a black badge event? 5292.08s - 5293.76s | And to answer that mystery, 5293.76s - 5304.71s | I welcome back up to the stage, Grifter. 5304.71s - 5305.95s | I'm gonna do it. 5307.39s - 5309.63s | Yeah, I'm doing it, yep, there it is. 5309.63s - 5312.07s | So anyway, here's the actual text message, 5312.07s - 5315.03s | which I censored a little, or the actual voicemail. 5315.03s - 5316.71s | Grifter, my brother in Christ, 5316.71s - 5319.31s | if you do not fucking call me back in the next 10 minutes, 5319.31s - 5321.79s | I'm gonna find somebody to shit in your hotel room 5321.79s - 5324.79s | every day for the next week. 5324.79s - 5343.05s | Okay, love you, bye. 5343.05s - 5343.89s | That's my girl. 5348.15s - 5351.61s | And she would, actually, she has that kind of authority. 5352.57s - 5356.41s | All right, so first off, 5356.41s - 5360.93s | we'll start with a longtime black badge earning contest. 5360.93s - 5365.93s | A few years ago, I had a conversation with Riverside 5366.25s - 5369.25s | about upping the ante with Capture the Packet. 5369.25s - 5371.65s | I felt like it was getting to a place 5371.65s - 5375.09s | where it needed a little notch up, it had to get harder, 5375.09s - 5379.53s | and he really, really took that to the next level, 5379.53s - 5383.59s | to the point that this year, I


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played 13 years now. 5485.06s - 5485.90s | Great fun. 5485.90s - 5488.04s | It's gotten tougher every single year. 5488.04s - 5489.14s | They keep challenging us. 5489.14s - 5490.30s | The gameplay gets better. 5490.30s - 5491.90s | The system gets better. 5491.90s - 5493.18s | The challenges get harder 5493.18s - 5495.08s | and force us to learn more every single year. 5495.08s - 5497.04s | So we always go away scratching our heads, 5497.04s - 5499.14s | trying to learn more and come back the next year better. 5499.14s - 5501.30s | But it's all because of their hard work. 5501.30s - 5503.46s | And it's just been a blast to play all these years 5503.46s - 5506.22s | and just really appreciate everything y'all do for us. 5506.22s - 5508.38s | Yeah. 5508.58s - 5512.30s | Um, let's see. 5512.30s - 5515.48s | I think that the things that I want to go over is 5515.48s - 5520.48s | in third place was Vimwaffles with 320 points. 5524.30s - 5526.62s | Second place NightSec with 720. 5526.62s - 5531.62s | And then the first place, the ChatGPT team with 1,220 points. 5532.58s - 5535.06s | And so give them a hand. 5535.06s - 5535.90s | Good job. 5536.86s - 5547.58s | Thank you guys. 5547.58s - 5548.42s | Thanks everyone. 5548.42s - 5564.54s | Have a good DEF CON. 5564.54s - 5565.38s | All right. 5565.38s - 5568.76s | This, this next contest is only in its second year, 5569.62s - 5574.62s | but the creator, AJ had put in one of our own goons, 5574.86s - 5576.38s | AJ702. 5576.38s - 5577.22s | Where you at? 5580.02s - 5582.34s | Put in a ridiculous amount of work on this. 5582.34s - 5585.78s | So last year I felt like it had, 5585.78s - 5588.66s | it had sense of the mystery challenge. 5588.66s - 5593.46s | And then this year it really felt like that. 5593.46s - 5596.58s | It was the kind of contest that brought all aspects 5596.58s - 5599.78s | of what it means to be a hacker together. 5599.78s - 5604.78s | Puzzles, crypto, phone freaking, hacking, all of it. 5605.34s - 5607.02s | And I'll let them come up here and talk about it, 5607.02s - 5613.03s | but proud of you, girl. 5613.03s - 5615.67s | Hello, I


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am AJ and this, 5615.67s - 5617.79s | these were the creators of the cube. 5618.63s - 5620.03s | Closer. 5620.03s - 5620.87s | Okay. 5620.87s - 5622.75s | So the inspiration for the cube actually came 5622.75s - 5625.35s | from my first year at DEF CON where I engaged 5625.35s - 5628.79s | with a goon named Romer and he impressed upon me 5628.79s - 5630.75s | the importance of no matter if it's your first year 5630.75s - 5632.75s | or your 20th year, you need to engage 5632.75s - 5635.89s | and bring something to the community that is missing. 5635.89s - 5638.31s | So a couple of years ago I was watching a movie 5638.31s - 5641.39s | and it gave me an idea to make kind of like a puzzle box 5641.39s - 5642.23s | for hackers. 5642.23s - 5644.95s | So we have physical elements and also digital elements 5644.95s - 5646.95s | and Romer's not here with us anymore, 5646.95s - 5648.67s | but I would like to say thank you to him 5648.67s - 5650.75s | because he's the only reason we're standing on the stage 5650.75s - 5652.23s | and a special thanks to Nikita 5652.23s - 5654.83s | for actually seeing our vision and accepting. 5654.83s - 5656.75s | Thank you so much, Nikita. 5656.75s - 5657.75s | Okay. 5657.75s - 5658.59s | Now go ahead. 5660.59s - 5661.71s | Hello. 5661.71s - 5663.31s | So there was an incredible amount of work 5663.31s - 5665.63s | that went into competing. 5665.63s - 5667.63s | So it came down to the wire. 5667.63s - 5670.75s | In second place, we had the teams, the misfits. 5670.75s - 5675.47s | It was actually tied with 53% of the flags pulled. 5675.47s - 5677.55s | So 53% of completion. 5678.51s - 5680.59s | So we had to come down to time, 5680.59s - 5683.95s | which was a two minute difference within the past, 5683.95s - 5685.51s | within the last two hours. 5685.51s - 5687.63s | So very, very close. 5689.75s - 5690.59s | Yeah. 5690.59s - 5692.51s | Thank you everyone for who competed. 5692.51s - 5694.79s | Thank you, Grifter and Nikita. 5694.79s - 5697.87s | But we had our winners, which were the Mega Doomers. 5700.03s - 5700.87s | Fantastic. 5704.97s - 5708.59s | There you go,


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a special thanks to Nikita 5652.23s - 5654.83s | for actually seeing our vision and accepting. 5654.83s - 5656.75s | Thank you so much, Nikita. 5656.75s - 5657.75s | Okay. 5657.75s - 5658.59s | Now go ahead. 5660.59s - 5661.71s | Hello. 5661.71s - 5663.31s | So there was an incredible amount of work 5663.31s - 5665.63s | that went into competing. 5665.63s - 5667.63s | So it came down to the wire. 5667.63s - 5670.75s | In second place, we had the teams, the misfits. 5670.75s - 5675.47s | It was actually tied with 53% of the flags pulled. 5675.47s - 5677.55s | So 53% of completion. 5678.51s - 5680.59s | So we had to come down to time, 5680.59s - 5683.95s | which was a two minute difference within the past, 5683.95s - 5685.51s | within the last two hours. 5685.51s - 5687.63s | So very, very close. 5689.75s - 5690.59s | Yeah. 5690.59s - 5692.51s | Thank you everyone for who competed. 5692.51s - 5694.79s | Thank you, Grifter and Nikita. 5694.79s - 5697.87s | But we had our winners, which were the Mega Doomers. 5700.03s - 5700.87s | Fantastic. 5704.97s - 5708.59s | There you go, you go ahead. 5708.59s - 5709.43s | Yeah. 5709.43s - 5711.31s | They did a lot of work, a lot of lock picking, 5711.31s - 5713.47s | a lot of crypto, a lot of web stuff, 5713.47s - 5714.63s | a lot of work went into it, 5714.63s - 5716.07s | which was phenomenal to see. 5716.07s - 5717.11s | So thank you. 5721.18s - 5722.86s | Yeah. 5722.86s - 5725.26s | Definitely come join the Cube next year. 5725.26s - 5726.26s | It's amazing. 5735.07s - 5736.19s | Are there stairs up there? 5736.19s - 5737.03s | Yeah. 5744.18s - 5745.02s | All right. 5745.02s - 5746.02s | This next contest, 5747.02s - 5750.82s | it made me excited when they submitted. 5750.82s - 5753.38s | I was really hoping that they would bring it 5753.38s - 5754.50s | and they brought it. 5755.74s - 5759.78s | Freak Me had multiple pay phones out on their tables. 5759.78s - 5760.70s | I don't know if you saw this 5760.70s - 5763.46s | and had all of these different freaking challenges, 5763.46s - 5765.34s | which I think brought back, 5765.34s - 5767.82s | if you've ever competed in something


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you go ahead. 5708.59s - 5709.43s | Yeah. 5709.43s - 5711.31s | They did a lot of work, a lot of lock picking, 5711.31s - 5713.47s | a lot of crypto, a lot of web stuff, 5713.47s - 5714.63s | a lot of work went into it, 5714.63s - 5716.07s | which was phenomenal to see. 5716.07s - 5717.11s | So thank you. 5721.18s - 5722.86s | Yeah. 5722.86s - 5725.26s | Definitely come join the Cube next year. 5725.26s - 5726.26s | It's amazing. 5735.07s - 5736.19s | Are there stairs up there? 5736.19s - 5737.03s | Yeah. 5744.18s - 5745.02s | All right. 5745.02s - 5746.02s | This next contest, 5747.02s - 5750.82s | it made me excited when they submitted. 5750.82s - 5753.38s | I was really hoping that they would bring it 5753.38s - 5754.50s | and they brought it. 5755.74s - 5759.78s | Freak Me had multiple pay phones out on their tables. 5759.78s - 5760.70s | I don't know if you saw this 5760.70s - 5763.46s | and had all of these different freaking challenges, 5763.46s - 5765.34s | which I think brought back, 5765.34s - 5767.82s | if you've ever competed in something like 5767.82s - 5770.26s | the TeleFreak Challenge, the TeleChallenge, 5770.26s - 5773.66s | then you know, like that part of our culture, 5773.70s - 5776.62s | you can see it on your lanyard, around the space. 5776.62s - 5778.98s | Like back in the day, computers, 5778.98s - 5780.82s | for the whippersnappers in here, 5780.82s - 5784.34s | your computer used to scream into a telephone 5784.34s - 5786.38s | in order to talk to other computers. 5786.38s - 5788.50s | They just screamed at each other. 5790.14s - 5792.26s | And it costs a lot of money to do that. 5792.26s - 5794.22s | And so sometimes we had to figure out 5794.22s - 5797.70s | how we could, one, talk to each other very far away. 5797.70s - 5798.86s | You know, I mean, I'll just say it, 5798.86s - 5801.22s | like the DEF CON voice bridge, 5801.22s - 5803.30s | I used to red box into that constantly. 5803.94s - 5806.66s | That's how I could call Utah from New York, right? 5806.66s - 5810.22s | So seeing that freak culture here 5810.22s - 5811.74s | and seeing it celebrated 5811.74s - 5814.50s |


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like 5767.82s - 5770.26s | the TeleFreak Challenge, the TeleChallenge, 5770.26s - 5773.66s | then you know, like that part of our culture, 5773.70s - 5776.62s | you can see it on your lanyard, around the space. 5776.62s - 5778.98s | Like back in the day, computers, 5778.98s - 5780.82s | for the whippersnappers in here, 5780.82s - 5784.34s | your computer used to scream into a telephone 5784.34s - 5786.38s | in order to talk to other computers. 5786.38s - 5788.50s | They just screamed at each other. 5790.14s - 5792.26s | And it costs a lot of money to do that. 5792.26s - 5794.22s | And so sometimes we had to figure out 5794.22s - 5797.70s | how we could, one, talk to each other very far away. 5797.70s - 5798.86s | You know, I mean, I'll just say it, 5798.86s - 5801.22s | like the DEF CON voice bridge, 5801.22s - 5803.30s | I used to red box into that constantly. 5803.94s - 5806.66s | That's how I could call Utah from New York, right? 5806.66s - 5810.22s | So seeing that freak culture here 5810.22s - 5811.74s | and seeing it celebrated 5811.74s - 5814.50s | and seeing them bring that to new people, 5814.50s - 5817.14s | it just, it warms my heart and they brought it. 5817.14s - 5819.42s | The challenges they had were impressive. 5819.42s - 5821.02s | I'll let them tell you about it. 5824.72s - 5825.72s | Awesome, thank you. 5827.16s - 5829.60s | All right, so Freak Me. 5831.16s - 5832.64s | Yeah, basically you want to start by saying 5832.64s - 5835.24s | how honored and blessed we are to be up here on stage 5835.28s - 5838.76s | with the people we've looked up to for so, so many years. 5838.76s - 5840.40s | Huge shout out to all the goons. 5840.40s - 5842.48s | The production you guys put on is amazing. 5842.48s - 5844.44s | You guys are the reason all this works so well. 5844.44s - 5845.40s | So thank you all. 5846.28s - 5849.20s | Freakme.com, so basically we made a CTF 5849.20s - 5852.56s | that was hosted on the publicly switched telephone network, 5852.56s - 5856.08s | 212-203-4977. 5856.08s - 5857.08s | Give it a call anytime. 5857.08s - 5858.44s | We're gonna leave it up after the cons 5858.44s -


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and seeing them bring that to new people, 5814.50s - 5817.14s | it just, it warms my heart and they brought it. 5817.14s - 5819.42s | The challenges they had were impressive. 5819.42s - 5821.02s | I'll let them tell you about it. 5824.72s - 5825.72s | Awesome, thank you. 5827.16s - 5829.60s | All right, so Freak Me. 5831.16s - 5832.64s | Yeah, basically you want to start by saying 5832.64s - 5835.24s | how honored and blessed we are to be up here on stage 5835.28s - 5838.76s | with the people we've looked up to for so, so many years. 5838.76s - 5840.40s | Huge shout out to all the goons. 5840.40s - 5842.48s | The production you guys put on is amazing. 5842.48s - 5844.44s | You guys are the reason all this works so well. 5844.44s - 5845.40s | So thank you all. 5846.28s - 5849.20s | Freakme.com, so basically we made a CTF 5849.20s - 5852.56s | that was hosted on the publicly switched telephone network, 5852.56s - 5856.08s | 212-203-4977. 5856.08s - 5857.08s | Give it a call anytime. 5857.08s - 5858.44s | We're gonna leave it up after the cons 5858.44s - 5860.48s | so you guys continue hammering away at it. 5860.48s - 5864.28s | We basically stuffed about 75 flags inside of a PBX 5864.28s - 5867.80s | and we are here today to honor the Psychoholics 5867.80s - 5876.90s | who smashed every single flag in our entire challenge. 5876.90s - 5877.74s | Thank you all. 5877.74s - 5879.46s | Look forward to seeing you guys next year. 5884.46s - 5886.74s | You guys getting tired of getting black badges yet? 5886.74s - 5888.46s | Not yet, never gets old. 5888.46s - 5889.30s | All right. 5890.90s - 5893.34s | Oh, the Psychoholics won another contest. 5893.34s - 5898.06s | Oh, that's 47 black badges for those guys. 5898.06s - 5899.74s | I think you have more black badges 5899.74s - 5901.58s | than people on your crew, right? 5901.58s - 5903.46s | Is that a fact? 5903.46s - 5904.46s | Is it a fact? 5904.46s - 5906.14s | No, but they're saying no. 5906.14s - 5907.54s | Damn it, so they'll be back. 5909.86s - 5911.18s | I mean, they are talented. 5912.34s - 5914.42s | It's unreal, it's unreal. 5914.42s - 5918.42s | So the next one


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5860.48s | so you guys continue hammering away at it. 5860.48s - 5864.28s | We basically stuffed about 75 flags inside of a PBX 5864.28s - 5867.80s | and we are here today to honor the Psychoholics 5867.80s - 5876.90s | who smashed every single flag in our entire challenge. 5876.90s - 5877.74s | Thank you all. 5877.74s - 5879.46s | Look forward to seeing you guys next year. 5884.46s - 5886.74s | You guys getting tired of getting black badges yet? 5886.74s - 5888.46s | Not yet, never gets old. 5888.46s - 5889.30s | All right. 5890.90s - 5893.34s | Oh, the Psychoholics won another contest. 5893.34s - 5898.06s | Oh, that's 47 black badges for those guys. 5898.06s - 5899.74s | I think you have more black badges 5899.74s - 5901.58s | than people on your crew, right? 5901.58s - 5903.46s | Is that a fact? 5903.46s - 5904.46s | Is it a fact? 5904.46s - 5906.14s | No, but they're saying no. 5906.14s - 5907.54s | Damn it, so they'll be back. 5909.86s - 5911.18s | I mean, they are talented. 5912.34s - 5914.42s | It's unreal, it's unreal. 5914.42s - 5918.42s | So the next one coming up on stage 5918.42s - 5921.94s | is the Social Engineering Community CTF. 5922.86s - 5926.02s | How many people made it out or stood in the line 5926.02s - 5929.02s | and enjoyed the community aspect of standing in line 5929.02s - 5931.30s | for the Social Engineering Village? 5931.30s - 5932.82s | No, all right, great, great, great. 5932.82s - 5936.78s | Awesome, that line was down the hall, wrapped around, 5936.78s - 5938.30s | came all the way around the other side. 5938.30s - 5939.74s | It was something else. 5939.74s - 5941.50s | They put a lot of effort into it 5941.50s - 5943.50s | and they do a really, really good job 5943.50s - 5947.18s | of not only presenting their subject matter, 5947.18s - 5949.50s | but of entertaining the audience as well. 5949.50s - 5954.26s | Their staff are charming and good looking, 5954.26s - 5955.46s | especially you, buddy. 5956.30s - 5958.34s | And then, like I said, 5958.34s - 5961.02s | they add aspects to it that are entertaining. 5961.02s - 5962.22s | So not only you're learning, 5962.22s - 5964.26s | but everybody is in there laughing. 5964.26s -


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us. 6108.92s - 6112.36s | Attendees are Gund, Nikita, Grifter, DT. 6112.36s - 6123.04s | Thank you so much. 6123.04s - 6124.48s | Oh, thanks. 6124.48s - 6125.32s | Presence. 6125.32s - 6126.14s | Thanks. 6126.14s - 6127.32s | Bribes. 6127.32s - 6132.32s | So this next crew put on an incredible competition. 6133.68s - 6135.40s | I actually heard enough about it that I was like, 6135.40s - 6136.24s | I got to make it over there. 6136.24s - 6137.72s | I've got to make it over there 6137.72s - 6140.92s | from the folks who were participating. 6140.92s - 6144.40s | The Embedded Systems Village CTF put together 6144.40s - 6145.68s | an incredible challenge. 6145.68s - 6146.92s | They had, what did you say? 6146.96s - 6150.36s | 70 different teams that were competing 6150.36s - 6153.00s | and they had to be gated through different things. 6153.00s - 6154.16s | I'll let them get into that. 6154.16s - 6158.32s | I will say though, what really warms my heart 6158.32s - 6160.30s | is that they handed me something they had made. 6160.30s - 6164.88s | It was a badge that they stopped and handed it to me 6164.88s - 6167.88s | and they said, wait a minute, get him the instructions. 6167.88s - 6169.20s | He'll hurt himself. 6172.00s - 6178.20s | The Embedded Village Systems CTF. 6178.20s - 6179.20s | Hey, DEF CON. 6179.20s - 6181.40s | I'm Tevo from the Embedded Systems Village. 6183.08s - 6186.08s | I first want to thank all the DEF CON organizers 6186.08s - 6188.82s | and the village goons, John and Pedro. 6190.00s - 6191.84s | This year was a lot of work 6191.84s - 6193.02s | and I really appreciate everything 6193.02s - 6194.12s | that you were able to help us with 6194.12s - 6196.16s | and it was a great event. 6196.16s - 6197.50s | I want to thank the team behind me 6197.50s - 6199.28s | that helped put on this challenge. 6199.28s - 6201.36s | It made a really incredible CTF. 6201.36s - 6203.20s | We had over 50 challenges. 6203.20s - 6205.48s | It started with some embedded devices 6205.48s - 6208.40s | that had known vulnerabilities and end-day vulnerabilities 6208.40s - 6211.20s | from LTE gateways to satellite base stations 6211.20s - 6213.50s | and ruggedized camera systems. 6213.50s -


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to me 6164.88s - 6167.88s | and they said, wait a minute, get him the instructions. 6167.88s - 6169.20s | He'll hurt himself. 6172.00s - 6178.20s | The Embedded Village Systems CTF. 6178.20s - 6179.20s | Hey, DEF CON. 6179.20s - 6181.40s | I'm Tevo from the Embedded Systems Village. 6183.08s - 6186.08s | I first want to thank all the DEF CON organizers 6186.08s - 6188.82s | and the village goons, John and Pedro. 6190.00s - 6191.84s | This year was a lot of work 6191.84s - 6193.02s | and I really appreciate everything 6193.02s - 6194.12s | that you were able to help us with 6194.12s - 6196.16s | and it was a great event. 6196.16s - 6197.50s | I want to thank the team behind me 6197.50s - 6199.28s | that helped put on this challenge. 6199.28s - 6201.36s | It made a really incredible CTF. 6201.36s - 6203.20s | We had over 50 challenges. 6203.20s - 6205.48s | It started with some embedded devices 6205.48s - 6208.40s | that had known vulnerabilities and end-day vulnerabilities 6208.40s - 6211.20s | from LTE gateways to satellite base stations 6211.20s - 6213.50s | and ruggedized camera systems. 6213.50s - 6216.32s | This year, the challenge that we added 6216.32s - 6220.36s | was that when teams got to a certain threshold, 6220.36s - 6222.56s | we would give them an embedded development board 6222.56s - 6224.04s | with challenges baked into that 6224.04s - 6225.24s | and they would take that home 6225.24s - 6226.34s | and they worked on them overnight 6226.34s - 6227.48s | and they would come back the next day 6227.48s - 6230.40s | and they would get a bunch of points in the CTF. 6230.40s - 6233.48s | I want to give a big props to the team, BYU Pony, 6233.48s - 6234.92s | who made a really good push 6235.36s - 6236.88s | and actually got tied at one point, 6236.88s - 6240.60s | but ultimately lost out to our winners, Flowers by Irene. 6261.22s - 6262.22s | We're psychoholics. 6262.22s - 6264.98s | We don't just win challenges, we run them. 6264.98s - 6267.34s | We get black badges and we give them away. 6268.60s - 6269.44s | I don't know. 6269.44s - 6272.34s | All right, so if you're not familiar with this contest, 6272.34s - 6276.06s | Crafting Compile is


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6216.32s | This year, the challenge that we added 6216.32s - 6220.36s | was that when teams got to a certain threshold, 6220.36s - 6222.56s | we would give them an embedded development board 6222.56s - 6224.04s | with challenges baked into that 6224.04s - 6225.24s | and they would take that home 6225.24s - 6226.34s | and they worked on them overnight 6226.34s - 6227.48s | and they would come back the next day 6227.48s - 6230.40s | and they would get a bunch of points in the CTF. 6230.40s - 6233.48s | I want to give a big props to the team, BYU Pony, 6233.48s - 6234.92s | who made a really good push 6235.36s - 6236.88s | and actually got tied at one point, 6236.88s - 6240.60s | but ultimately lost out to our winners, Flowers by Irene. 6261.22s - 6262.22s | We're psychoholics. 6262.22s - 6264.98s | We don't just win challenges, we run them. 6264.98s - 6267.34s | We get black badges and we give them away. 6268.60s - 6269.44s | I don't know. 6269.44s - 6272.34s | All right, so if you're not familiar with this contest, 6272.34s - 6276.06s | Crafting Compile is on the contest stage. 6276.06s - 6278.82s | I'll let them get into all of the actual details 6278.82s - 6279.94s | about how the contest went, 6279.94s - 6281.86s | but I will say that one of the things 6281.86s - 6285.46s | that, see, that's what they told me I would hurt myself with 6285.46s - 6287.78s | and now DT is just swinging it around. 6290.18s - 6291.14s | What are you saying? 6291.14s - 6292.10s | I didn't say anything, man. 6292.10s - 6292.94s | I'm at school. 6292.94s - 6293.78s | We're good. 6296.34s - 6297.94s | One of the parts of their challenge, though, 6297.94s - 6300.34s | is that they have a team distraction 6300.34s - 6302.70s | who is meant to distract the competitors 6302.70s - 6305.78s | throughout the entire contest. 6305.78s - 6307.38s | Well, at one point, 6307.38s - 6309.96s | one of the members of team distraction came up to me 6309.96s - 6312.68s | and said, hey, we need to talk about the sun 6312.68s - 6314.64s | because it's really, really bright over there 6314.64s - 6316.72s | and it's like blinding people and stuff. 6316.72s


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on the contest stage. 6276.06s - 6278.82s | I'll let them get into all of the actual details 6278.82s - 6279.94s | about how the contest went, 6279.94s - 6281.86s | but I will say that one of the things 6281.86s - 6285.46s | that, see, that's what they told me I would hurt myself with 6285.46s - 6287.78s | and now DT is just swinging it around. 6290.18s - 6291.14s | What are you saying? 6291.14s - 6292.10s | I didn't say anything, man. 6292.10s - 6292.94s | I'm at school. 6292.94s - 6293.78s | We're good. 6296.34s - 6297.94s | One of the parts of their challenge, though, 6297.94s - 6300.34s | is that they have a team distraction 6300.34s - 6302.70s | who is meant to distract the competitors 6302.70s - 6305.78s | throughout the entire contest. 6305.78s - 6307.38s | Well, at one point, 6307.38s - 6309.96s | one of the members of team distraction came up to me 6309.96s - 6312.68s | and said, hey, we need to talk about the sun 6312.68s - 6314.64s | because it's really, really bright over there 6314.64s - 6316.72s | and it's like blinding people and stuff. 6316.72s - 6320.50s | And I was like, you want me to fix the sun? 6321.68s - 6325.76s | And I was like, aren't you on team distraction? 6325.76s - 6327.48s | Badge the sun. 6327.48s - 6328.64s | All right, so. 6328.64s - 6336.03s | All right, Crafting Compile. 6336.03s - 6340.19s | I can feel the love, I can feel the love. 6340.19s - 6341.71s | Hey, everyone. 6341.71s - 6345.01s | So yeah, this psychoholics team is kind of interesting. 6345.85s - 6347.85s | So a little background on Crash Compile. 6347.85s - 6350.13s | It's a programming drinking game. 6350.13s - 6353.69s | So we had 49 teams register. 6353.69s - 6354.93s | Nine of them made the cut. 6354.93s - 6356.45s | And on the main stage, 6356.45s - 6359.25s | they had to go through a series of programming challenges. 6359.25s - 6361.69s | In this case, they had to actually write code 6361.69s - 6363.17s | to navigate a maze 6363.17s - 6366.61s | and discover all these programming challenges along the way. 6366.61s - 6368.85s | And anytime they messed up, 6368.85s - 6371.41s | something didn't work or we just felt like


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it, 6371.41s - 6372.41s | they had to drink. 6374.13s - 6375.37s | For a long time. 6377.25s - 6380.69s | We went through, I think it was around 145 beers 6380.69s - 6384.25s | for nine teams in a short amount of time. 6384.25s - 6385.09s | Very good. 6386.05s - 6389.25s | The winning team, Hack O' Spaghetti, 6389.25s - 6390.49s | not only got drunk, 6390.49s - 6393.97s | but they also win this magnificent dice 6393.97s - 6396.53s | that we put together, solid steel. 6396.53s - 6398.25s | Very dangerous. 6398.25s - 6399.45s | Don't break the laptop. 6399.45s - 6400.53s | Don't break the laptop. 6400.65s - 6401.49s | Don't break it to DT. 6401.49s - 6403.73s | He'll throw it in the office. 6403.73s - 6404.69s | Just willy nilly. 6406.01s - 6408.61s | Anyway, we really enjoyed it this year. 6408.61s - 6409.65s | Things went really well. 6409.65s - 6412.61s | Wanted to thank all of the contest goons, 6412.61s - 6414.85s | contest events goons. 6414.85s - 6416.65s | Everything went off swimmingly. 6416.65s - 6418.45s | We even made our own sign this year, 6418.45s - 6420.07s | which was like arts and crafts. 6420.07s - 6421.17s | I really enjoyed that. 6423.25s - 6424.81s | But yeah, thank you everyone. 6424.81s - 6429.94s | Thank you. 6429.94s - 6430.76s | Thank you. 6430.76s - 6431.60s | Thank you. 6431.60s - 6432.44s | Thank you. 6432.44s - 6433.26s | Thank you. 6433.26s - 6436.53s | Get out. 6436.53s - 6437.97s | I actually, just to be clear, 6437.97s - 6439.81s | I do love the Psychaholics. 6439.81s - 6441.93s | I play D&D with a couple of them, so. 6443.87s - 6445.05s | All right. 6445.05s - 6447.03s | This next crew up here, 6447.03s - 6447.87s | I always say this, 6447.87s - 6450.45s | this is a contest that's also near and dear to my heart 6450.45s - 6452.51s | because I used to run it. 6452.51s - 6454.29s | And when I did, 6455.33s - 6457.09s | we did a lot of bad things, 6457.09s - 6459.09s | but they have taken it, 6459.09s - 6463.33s | allegedly, we did a lot of bad things. 6463.33s - 6465.25s | They've taken it to the next level. 6465.25s - 6467.01s | They've actually integrated it so much


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was like arts and crafts. 6420.07s - 6421.17s | I really enjoyed that. 6423.25s - 6424.81s | But yeah, thank you everyone. 6424.81s - 6429.94s | Thank you. 6429.94s - 6430.76s | Thank you. 6430.76s - 6431.60s | Thank you. 6431.60s - 6432.44s | Thank you. 6432.44s - 6433.26s | Thank you. 6433.26s - 6436.53s | Get out. 6436.53s - 6437.97s | I actually, just to be clear, 6437.97s - 6439.81s | I do love the Psychaholics. 6439.81s - 6441.93s | I play D&D with a couple of them, so. 6443.87s - 6445.05s | All right. 6445.05s - 6447.03s | This next crew up here, 6447.03s - 6447.87s | I always say this, 6447.87s - 6450.45s | this is a contest that's also near and dear to my heart 6450.45s - 6452.51s | because I used to run it. 6452.51s - 6454.29s | And when I did, 6455.33s - 6457.09s | we did a lot of bad things, 6457.09s - 6459.09s | but they have taken it, 6459.09s - 6463.33s | allegedly, we did a lot of bad things. 6463.33s - 6465.25s | They've taken it to the next level. 6465.25s - 6467.01s | They've actually integrated it so much 6467.01s - 6468.29s | into the conference now 6468.29s - 6471.69s | that it really is part of DEF CON. 6471.69s - 6474.25s | So, and then at a certain point, 6474.25s - 6477.25s | there's always been strip teases, 6477.25s - 6478.65s | but this was the first year 6478.65s - 6480.69s | that a robot dog was twerking 6480.69s - 6482.11s | while that was going on. 6483.13s - 6490.39s | The scavenger hunt. 6490.39s - 6491.23s | Allegedly. 6491.23s - 6492.07s | Allegedly. 6492.07s - 6494.27s | Oh, this, I love this. 6494.27s - 6495.27s | Did you see? 6495.27s - 6496.83s | They run over our stickers. 6496.83s - 6497.67s | Fantastic. 6498.67s - 6500.19s | Just like that. 6502.19s - 6504.87s | That is some authentic traction. 6504.87s - 6505.71s | So as mentioned, 6505.71s - 6507.11s | we are the DEF CON scavenger hunt. 6507.11s - 6510.95s | This is our 27th consecutive year here at the con. 6512.03s - 6512.91s | My name is Zora. 6512.91s - 6515.59s | This is the 10th year I've been working the scavenger hunt 6515.59s - 6517.23s | as a judge alongside Sconce, 6517.23s - 6519.11s |


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second and third place teams. 6574.33s - 6577.45s | Our third place team is Degenerates 6577.45s - 6579.77s | with a total of 103 points. 6580.77s - 6585.77s | Our second place team is Regenerate One with 118 points. 6587.21s - 6589.17s | And of course our first place team, 6589.17s - 6592.09s | Bananarchy with 143 points. 6592.09s - 6592.93s | Coming up guys. 6608.73s - 6611.65s | So with that, thank you so much. 6611.65s - 6612.97s | Thank you for always having us 6612.97s - 6615.13s | and allowing us to raise all sorts of help. 6616.09s - 6617.13s | Second and third place teams, 6617.13s - 6618.69s | come see us outside to track one 6618.69s - 6630.23s | and we'll see y'all next year. 6630.23s - 6632.55s | All right, so we really like contests 6632.55s - 6635.75s | that try to engage multiple aspects of the community 6635.75s - 6638.87s | or try to push people to get outside of their comfort zone, 6638.91s - 6640.11s | learn new skills, 6640.11s - 6641.83s | engage new attendees 6641.83s - 6645.27s | and challenge them throughout the conference. 6645.27s - 6647.83s | This next contest did all of those things 6647.83s - 6649.95s | and really brought some, 6649.95s - 6653.91s | tried to focus on bringing new attendees into it 6653.91s - 6656.99s | and pushing them to really, really experience DEF CON 6656.99s - 6658.79s | as it was meant to be experienced. 6658.79s - 6667.79s | And so with that, Octopus Games. 6667.79s - 6669.03s | What's up guys? 6669.03s - 6672.66s | Who knows about Octopus Game? 6672.66s - 6674.58s | If you would have told me three years ago 6674.58s - 6675.66s | when I came up with the idea 6675.66s - 6677.10s | that I'd be up here speaking, 6677.10s - 6678.90s | giving one of our players a black badge, 6678.90s - 6680.54s | I would have probably laughed at you. 6680.54s - 6685.42s | But yeah, my original idea was to rip off the show Squid Game 6685.42s - 6686.90s | and create a battle royale 6686.90s - 6689.62s | and everyone would meet up and battle with kids games 6689.62s - 6691.74s | and they would make friends and explore the con 6691.74s - 6693.22s | and it was awesome. 6693.22s - 6694.86s | And over


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did all of those things 6647.83s - 6649.95s | and really brought some, 6649.95s - 6653.91s | tried to focus on bringing new attendees into it 6653.91s - 6656.99s | and pushing them to really, really experience DEF CON 6656.99s - 6658.79s | as it was meant to be experienced. 6658.79s - 6667.79s | And so with that, Octopus Games. 6667.79s - 6669.03s | What's up guys? 6669.03s - 6672.66s | Who knows about Octopus Game? 6672.66s - 6674.58s | If you would have told me three years ago 6674.58s - 6675.66s | when I came up with the idea 6675.66s - 6677.10s | that I'd be up here speaking, 6677.10s - 6678.90s | giving one of our players a black badge, 6678.90s - 6680.54s | I would have probably laughed at you. 6680.54s - 6685.42s | But yeah, my original idea was to rip off the show Squid Game 6685.42s - 6686.90s | and create a battle royale 6686.90s - 6689.62s | and everyone would meet up and battle with kids games 6689.62s - 6691.74s | and they would make friends and explore the con 6691.74s - 6693.22s | and it was awesome. 6693.22s - 6694.86s | And over the next two years, 6694.86s - 6696.10s | it's grown and evolved 6696.10s - 6699.62s | and we have an amazing team of volunteers. 6699.62s - 6703.14s | Let me, Josh Mason's calling me right now. 6703.14s - 6704.34s | It's too late. 6704.34s - 6705.18s | You got to answer it. 6705.18s - 6707.74s | If you get called on stage, you have to answer. 6707.74s - 6708.58s | It's too late. 6708.58s - 6710.26s | I fucked up. 6710.26s - 6711.10s | They'll call back. 6711.10s - 6714.10s | Okay, so I did very little to help the people 6714.10s - 6715.74s | that should be up here are behind me 6715.74s - 6716.58s | and they're kind of shy, 6716.58s - 6717.50s | especially this lady. 6717.50s - 6718.50s | This is my wife, Nicole. 6718.50s - 6719.82s | She ran the game this year. 6719.82s - 6722.66s | So really they deserve all the credit. 6722.66s - 6723.86s | I did very little. 6725.62s - 6728.26s | So thank you, Nicole, for running the contest 6728.26s - 6730.66s | and all of our volunteers this year. 6730.66s - 6733.02s | Wade, who has one of the


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the next two years, 6694.86s - 6696.10s | it's grown and evolved 6696.10s - 6699.62s | and we have an amazing team of volunteers. 6699.62s - 6703.14s | Let me, Josh Mason's calling me right now. 6703.14s - 6704.34s | It's too late. 6704.34s - 6705.18s | You got to answer it. 6705.18s - 6707.74s | If you get called on stage, you have to answer. 6707.74s - 6708.58s | It's too late. 6708.58s - 6710.26s | I fucked up. 6710.26s - 6711.10s | They'll call back. 6711.10s - 6714.10s | Okay, so I did very little to help the people 6714.10s - 6715.74s | that should be up here are behind me 6715.74s - 6716.58s | and they're kind of shy, 6716.58s - 6717.50s | especially this lady. 6717.50s - 6718.50s | This is my wife, Nicole. 6718.50s - 6719.82s | She ran the game this year. 6719.82s - 6722.66s | So really they deserve all the credit. 6722.66s - 6723.86s | I did very little. 6725.62s - 6728.26s | So thank you, Nicole, for running the contest 6728.26s - 6730.66s | and all of our volunteers this year. 6730.66s - 6733.02s | Wade, who has one of the most famous mustaches 6733.02s - 6734.06s | in InfoSec. 6735.30s - 6737.94s | Josh Mason, who was just trying to call me right now 6737.94s - 6739.38s | and I should have answered it. 6739.38s - 6742.38s | Jibby, Erica, Jen and George, thank you so much. 6742.38s - 6743.58s | Thank you to our sponsors, 6743.58s - 6746.34s | Black Girls Hack, Cyber Supply Drop, 6746.34s - 6747.98s | Women's Society of Cyber Jiu-Jitsu 6747.98s - 6749.62s | is really awesome to give our players 6749.62s - 6751.70s | some really good prizes this year. 6751.70s - 6755.74s | And thank you to Grifter, Nikita, DT, 6755.74s - 6758.14s | everyone on the contest and events crew, 6758.14s - 6760.02s | Cabe's and Seco, everybody. 6760.02s - 6761.26s | Like this is really awesome. 6761.26s - 6763.86s | And yeah, we just wanted to build a contest. 6763.86s - 6767.74s | That's kind of the unofficial tutorial quest for the con. 6767.74s - 6769.46s | We want people to explore the villages, 6769.46s - 6772.34s | meet people, like you said, outside of your comfort zone. 6772.34s - 6774.10s | So yeah, thanks for having us. 6779.30s - 6780.26s


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most famous mustaches 6733.02s - 6734.06s | in InfoSec. 6735.30s - 6737.94s | Josh Mason, who was just trying to call me right now 6737.94s - 6739.38s | and I should have answered it. 6739.38s - 6742.38s | Jibby, Erica, Jen and George, thank you so much. 6742.38s - 6743.58s | Thank you to our sponsors, 6743.58s - 6746.34s | Black Girls Hack, Cyber Supply Drop, 6746.34s - 6747.98s | Women's Society of Cyber Jiu-Jitsu 6747.98s - 6749.62s | is really awesome to give our players 6749.62s - 6751.70s | some really good prizes this year. 6751.70s - 6755.74s | And thank you to Grifter, Nikita, DT, 6755.74s - 6758.14s | everyone on the contest and events crew, 6758.14s - 6760.02s | Cabe's and Seco, everybody. 6760.02s - 6761.26s | Like this is really awesome. 6761.26s - 6763.86s | And yeah, we just wanted to build a contest. 6763.86s - 6767.74s | That's kind of the unofficial tutorial quest for the con. 6767.74s - 6769.46s | We want people to explore the villages, 6769.46s - 6772.34s | meet people, like you said, outside of your comfort zone. 6772.34s - 6774.10s | So yeah, thanks for having us. 6779.30s - 6780.26s | All right, we're not done yet. 6780.26s - 6781.18s | Sorry, sorry. 6782.10s - 6783.98s | Little, little premature. 6783.98s - 6785.98s | We had 120 competitors. 6785.98s - 6789.02s | 16 of them completed all 12 challenges 6789.02s - 6790.94s | with the final challenge tiebreaker 6790.94s - 6794.10s | being a large game of Simon Says. 6794.10s - 6796.62s | And the winner was Greg. 6796.62s - 6797.46s | That's all we know. 6797.46s - 6798.30s | He's not here right now. 6798.30s - 6800.26s | We do have his information and we'll be giving him the badge. 6800.26s - 6801.46s | Thank you. 6801.46s - 6802.30s | Oh, good. 6802.30s - 6803.62s | Let's save this one badge. 6803.62s - 6804.66s | Problem solved. 6804.66s - 6805.50s | Oh, you got it? 6805.50s - 6806.34s | Okay. 6806.34s - 6807.46s | So you'll get it to Greg. 6807.46s - 6808.38s | You'll get the badge. 6808.38s - 6809.22s | Okay, great. 6809.22s - 6815.79s | Thank you very much. 6815.79s - 6818.87s | All right, this next contest really brings it. 6818.87s - 6822.75s | They bring a huge team to literally build a city 6822.75s


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| All right, we're not done yet. 6780.26s - 6781.18s | Sorry, sorry. 6782.10s - 6783.98s | Little, little premature. 6783.98s - 6785.98s | We had 120 competitors. 6785.98s - 6789.02s | 16 of them completed all 12 challenges 6789.02s - 6790.94s | with the final challenge tiebreaker 6790.94s - 6794.10s | being a large game of Simon Says. 6794.10s - 6796.62s | And the winner was Greg. 6796.62s - 6797.46s | That's all we know. 6797.46s - 6798.30s | He's not here right now. 6798.30s - 6800.26s | We do have his information and we'll be giving him the badge. 6800.26s - 6801.46s | Thank you. 6801.46s - 6802.30s | Oh, good. 6802.30s - 6803.62s | Let's save this one badge. 6803.62s - 6804.66s | Problem solved. 6804.66s - 6805.50s | Oh, you got it? 6805.50s - 6806.34s | Okay. 6806.34s - 6807.46s | So you'll get it to Greg. 6807.46s - 6808.38s | You'll get the badge. 6808.38s - 6809.22s | Okay, great. 6809.22s - 6815.79s | Thank you very much. 6815.79s - 6818.87s | All right, this next contest really brings it. 6818.87s - 6822.75s | They bring a huge team to literally build a city 6822.75s - 6827.67s | inside of the contest area to outfit it with utilities 6827.67s - 6830.43s | and to put on one hell of a show 6830.43s - 6844.19s | with that Red Alert ICS CTF. 6844.19s - 6845.19s | Hi, DEF CON. 6845.19s - 6846.71s | Annyeonghaseyo from Korea. 6847.59s - 6849.99s | So we've been running the Red Alert ICS CTF 6849.99s - 6852.23s | for the past three days. 6852.23s - 6854.31s | And we hope that our players have had a lot of fun. 6854.31s - 6858.23s | We've run a pure ICS team CTF, right? 6858.23s - 6861.55s | And we had 62 teams show up this year 6861.59s - 6863.43s | and it's been a fun weekend, I hope. 6864.27s - 6867.35s | For quick results on joint third position, 6867.35s - 6870.15s | we have three teams, Corridor Crew, Dollar Rip, 6870.15s - 6871.63s | and Ripper's Cape. 6871.63s - 6873.55s | Second position, Noob Tube. 6873.55s - 6876.27s | And first position, Team Tesuji. 6876.27s - 6882.44s | Black Badge winners. 6882.44s - 6885.48s | And just a quick note on the amount of work 6885.48s - 6886.32s | that the team


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has done. 6886.32s - 6889.08s | They came in second place last year and they kept working. 6889.08s - 6892.48s | They came back this year and they just won the CTF. 6892.48s - 6895.24s | And thank you DEF CON for making us a Black Badge event 6895.60s - 6898.72s | for the third time and the second time in a row right now. 6898.72s - 6901.80s | And a special gratitude to our contest leads, 6901.80s - 6904.72s | contest goons, Sikov, Cabes, Grifter, 6904.72s - 6906.32s | everyone here on stage. 6906.32s - 6908.64s | And for the rest of my team on stage and off stage 6908.64s - 6911.08s | who have come in from Korea and from Singapore. 6911.08s - 6914.72s | And to our sponsor and partner, Athena Dynamics as well. 6914.72s - 6922.84s | Thank you very much, everybody. 6928.98s - 6930.86s | All right, if you were in the contest area, 6930.86s - 6932.94s | you really couldn't miss this one. 6932.94s - 6937.38s | The next folks coming to the stage are the Car Hacking CTF. 6937.38s - 6940.06s | One of the things that I love about this CTF 6940.06s - 6941.98s | is that they continue to innovate. 6941.98s - 6944.02s | They continue to switch things up 6944.02s - 6947.32s | and they actually convince manufacturers 6947.32s - 6950.18s | to allow them to add aspects of the contest 6950.18s - 6952.70s | into what they're doing with the vehicle. 6952.70s - 6957.70s | So, like I said, the contest creators that are here 6958.02s - 6960.22s | really make DEF CON what it is. 6960.22s - 6962.02s | They put in a significant amount of work 6962.02s - 6964.46s | and they even in cases jump through 6964.46s - 6968.54s | what must only be the most ridiculous legal hoops 6968.54s - 6969.74s | to make these things happen. 6969.74s - 6971.54s | So, the Car Hacking CTF. 6976.33s - 6977.27s | Thank you, Grifter. 6978.21s - 6979.05s | I'm gonna be quick, 6979.05s - 6981.57s | cause I wanna relax and go get in a hot tub. 6981.57s - 6982.61s | I'm Justin Justin. 6982.61s - 6985.13s | I'm the chief of the Car Hacking Village. 6985.13s - 6986.63s | This has been our 10 year anniversary. 6986.63s - 6989.83s | So, thank you DEF CON


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