If there is a father, son and holy spirit, and Mary, and 3000 saints, is christianity polytheistic?
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No they call it multi-monotheistic.
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No, they are two different spirit persons, but are united in their thinking and are in full accord with each other. At GENESIS 2:24 consider what God says regarding a marraige--" Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Notice, it says one flesh---when a man takes a wife, does that mean that the husband is also the wife in the same body? No, of course not, but that is how people think of God and his Son. When the Bible says that God and Jesus are "one" it means they are separate, yet in agreement with each other.\nJesus said this in prayer to his Father in heaven at JOHN 17:11--\n"And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are." \nJesus was praying about his disciples, that they would be "one" just as he and God were "one"\nDid the disciples actually become one person or were they one in unity? \nNo matter how you try to reason with Trinitarians, they cannot seem to grasp the truth about who the true God really is. They insist on worshipping a triad of Gods. Jesus is the mediator between us and Jehovah God (PSALM 83:18). \nJesus was exalted to be a Prince and Saviour as stated at ACTS 5:31--"Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins."
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well, youre right.  a real father in heaven would not create 400 churches, each with their own interpretation of anything and everything.  therefore, either all churches are men's creations, or one of them is run by god and the rest are clubs.  and if there is one church run by god, it follows that He would give us a way to find it.  and he did.  ask him.
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Jesus was the God made Man... He is the Son of God, from all eternity he existed... and became a finite man regulated to the limitations of our human species... for a few short years to fulfill our redemption and open Paradise to all believers... and the Holy Ghost is the spiritual mindal binding unit that God the Father and God the Son share to become ONE... Don't try to use your human limited finite mind to understand a deep DIVINE MYSTERY OF DEITY... Do not put yourself up on the same level as GOD... Just admit that you are a finite man with a limited mind and let some mysteries lay until you gain Paradise to be able to understand them... it keeps you HUMBLE... I hope you know what that is... HUMILITY?  Deity-God is a mystery, not understantable by a human limited mind...
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The concept of the Trinity is often hard to grasp. In your question, you seem to show that you believe that the Trinity did not always exist. According to John 1, Jesus was with God, in God, and God from the begining, they were never seperate (except when Jesus took on the world's sins on the cross). in John 10, Jesus states that 'I and the father are one,' in John 10:30. The plainest biblical evidence for the Trinity falls in 1 John 5:7, where it says "7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. "\n\nEach Godhead (The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) are God, and the same one God, yet they are different. They each have their distinctive roles, yet are one unit.
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Jesus was NOT God, For the Scriptures plainly states that he was the SON of God, the father. \n\nGod Is One, Not Three\n\nTHE Bible teaching that God is one is called monotheism. And L. L. Paine, professor of ecclesiastical history, indicates that monotheism in its purest form does not allow for a Trinity: “The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being. The idea that a trinity is to be found there . . . is utterly without foundation.”\n\nWas there any change from monotheism after Jesus came to the earth? Paine answers: “On this point there is no break between the Old Testament and the New. The monotheistic tradition is continued. Jesus was a Jew, trained by Jewish parents in the Old Testament scriptures. His teaching was Jewish to the core; a new gospel indeed, but not a new theology. . . . And he accepted as his own belief the great text of Jewish monotheism: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one God.’”\n\nThose words are found at Deuteronomy 6:4. The Catholic New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) here reads: “Listen, Israel: Yahweh our God is the one, the only Yahweh.” In the grammar of that verse, the word “one” has no plural modifiers to suggest that it means anything but one individual.\n\nThe Christian apostle Paul did not indicate any change in the nature of God either, even after Jesus came to the earth. He wrote: “God is only one.”—Galatians 3:20; see also 1 Corinthians 8:4-6.\n\nThousands of times throughout the Bible, God is spoken of as one person. When he speaks, it is as one undivided individual. The Bible could not be any clearer on this. As God states: “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory.” (Isaiah 42:8) “I am Yahweh your God . . . You shall have no gods except me.” (Italics ours.)—Exodus 20:2, 3, JB.\n\nWhy would all the God-inspired Bible writers speak of God as one person if he were actually three persons? What purpose would that serve, except to mislead people? Surely, if God were composed of three persons, he would have had his Bible writers make it abundantly clear so that there could be no doubt about it. At least the writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures who had personal contact with God’s own Son would have done so. But they did not.\n\nInstead, what the Bible writers did make abundantly clear is that God is one Person—a unique, unpartitioned Being who has no equal: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. With the exception of me there is no God.” (Isaiah 45:5) “You, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Psalm 83:18.\n\nWas Jesus Considered to Be God? No!\n\nWHILE Jesus is often called the Son of God in the Bible, nobody in the first century ever thought of him as being God the Son. Even the demons, who “believe there is one God,” knew from their experience in the spirit realm that Jesus was not God. So, correctly, they addressed Jesus as the separate “Son of God.” (James 2:19; Matthew 8:29) And when Jesus died, the pagan Roman soldiers standing by knew enough to say that what they had heard from his followers must be right, not that Jesus was God, but that “certainly this was God’s Son.”—Matthew 27:54.\n\nHence, the phrase “Son of God” refers to Jesus as a separate created being, not as part of a Trinity. As the Son of God, he could not be God himself, for John 1:18 says: “No one has ever seen God.”—RS, Catholic edition.\n\nThe disciples viewed Jesus as the “one mediator between God and men,” not as God himself. (1 Timothy 2:5) Since by definition a mediator is someone separate from those who need mediation, it would be a contradiction for Jesus to be one entity with either of the parties he is trying to reconcile. That would be a pretending to be something he is not.\n\nThe Bible is clear and consistent about the relationship of God to Jesus. Jehovah God alone is Almighty. He created the prehuman Jesus directly. T
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Some believe there is a three in one, the trinity, Bible Scholar's cannot explain it, and even "Schnab" cannot explain the trinity, and the reason is because there is no such thing as the trinity.  And Jesus proves it with this Scripture, he says there is only one that is good, GOD.\n\nMark 10:18  And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.  From King James Bible\n\n\nIf Jehovah is “the only true God,” what kind of “God” is Jesus?\n\nJesus himself referred to his Father as “the only true God.” (John 17:3) Jehovah himself said: “Besides me there is no God.” (Isa. 44:6) The apostle Paul wrote that, to true Christians, “there is . . . one God the Father.” (1 Cor. 8:5, 6) So Jehovah is unique; no one else shares his position. Jehovah stands in utter contrast to all such objects of worship as idols, deified humans, and Satan. All these are false gods.\n\nJesus is spoken of in the Scriptures as “a god,” even as “Mighty God.” (John 1:1; Isa. 9:6) But nowhere is he spoken of as being Almighty, as Jehovah is. (Gen. 17:1) Jesus is said to be “the reflection of [God’s] glory,” but the Father is the Source of that glory. (Heb. 1:3) Jesus in no way seeks the position of his Father. He said: “It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.” (Luke 4:8) He exists “in God’s form,” and the Father has commanded that “in the name of Jesus every knee should bend,” but this is all done “to the glory of God the Father.”—Phil. 2:5-11; see also pages 212-216.\n\nDoes John 1:1 prove that Jesus is God?\n\nJohn 1:1, RS: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God [also KJ, JB, Dy, Kx, NAB].” NE reads “what God was, the Word was.” Mo says “the Logos was divine.” AT and Sd tell us “the Word was divine.” The interlinear rendering of ED is “a god was the Word.” NW reads “the Word was a god”; NTIV uses the same wording.\n\nNotice, too, how other translations render this part of the verse:\n\n1808: “and the word was a god.” The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text.\n\n1864: “and a god was the word.” The Emphatic Diaglott, interlinear reading, by Benjamin Wilson.\n\n1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.\n\n1935: “and the Word was divine.” The Bible—An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed.\n\n1946: “and of a divine kind was the Word.” Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme.\n\n1950: “and the Word was a god.” New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures.\n\n1958: “and the Word was a God.” The New Testament, by James L. Tomanek.\n\n1975: “and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz.\n\n1978: “and godlike kind was the Logos.” Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider.\n\nWhat is it that these translators are seeing in the Greek text that moves some of them to refrain from saying “the Word was God”? The definite article (the) appears before the first occurrence of the·os´ (God) but not before the second. The articular (when the article appears) construction of the noun points to an identity, a personality, whereas a singular anarthrous (without the article) predicate noun before the verb (as the sentence is constructed in Greek) points to a quality about someone. So the text is not saying that the Word (Jesus) was the same as the God with whom he was but, rather, that the Word was godlike, divine, a god. (See 1984 Reference edition of NW, p. 1579.)\n\nWhat did the apostle John mean when he wrote John 1:1? Did he mean that Jesus is himself God or perhaps that Jesus is one God with the Father? In the same chapter, verse 18, John wrote: “No one [
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All three believe in God the father\nhis creation of the universe\nThat the scripture is his holy word\nthe inspiration of the prophets\nAll believe in Jesus Christ\nHis godhood as 2nd person of the trinity\nHis virgin birth\nHis sinless life\nhis atoning death on the cross\nHis bodily resurrection\nsalvation by grace\nThe Trinity \nand that Jesus  is the only means of salvation\nAll three believe in the godhood of the Holy spirit as the third person of the trinity\nHis indwelling and spiritual of Christians\n\nAll three believe in Satan , the fallen angel\nand in the eternal punishment of hell for the unsaved\n\nAs for differences they are less important\nthe style of worship is different\nboth catholic and orthodox tend to be more high church\nboth believe that grace is received through the church\nboth venerate the saints, All three believe in God the father\nhis creation of the universe\nThat the scripture is his holy word\nthe inspiration of the prophets\nAll believe in Jesus Christ\nHis godhood as 2nd person of the trinity\nHis virgin birth\nHis sinless life\nhis atoning death on the cross\nHis bodily resurrection\nsalvation by grace\nthe trinity \nand that he is the only means of salvation\nAll three believe in the godhood of the Holy spirit as the third person of the trinity\nHis indwelling and spiritual of Christians\n\nAll three believe in Satan , the fallen angel\nand in the eternal punishment of hell for the unsaved\n\nAs for differences they are less important\n\nProtestants believe in the priesthood of the individual believer \nThe roman catholic church has as it's head a pope, Orthodox accept the idea of a Petrine primacy, but only as a first among equals,\nthe style of worship is different, both catholic and orthodox tend to be more high church\nboth orthidox and catholic believe that grace is received through the church, both venerate the saints including Mary\nThere is some disagreement as to  the nature of the trinity and the nature of the Lord’s supper.\nAll in all
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Well, it's certainly not orthodox Christianity, but I must admit it makes a kind of sense. You're wrong about worship, though. IF the Holy Spirit co-created Jesus before the universe began, then She is just as worthy of worship as the Father and the Son. \n\nKinda makes you wonder what's planned for the Bride of Christ, doesn't it?
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By saying the trinity, you are saying,"There are 3 distinct persons united in one God." They are not just names of the same God.They can co-exist at the same time and yet they are one. Taking this definition, It is actually not a mystery. The key to unsolving this mystery is understanding "one". The one is not the numerical number one. Below are the 2 definitions of one.\n\nA) Yachead – Absolute unity; the numerical number one\n– Abraham offered up his only (Yachead) son (Genesis 22:2,12)\n– They shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only (Yachead) son (Zechariah 12:10)\n\nB) Echad – A collective unity; more than one person, one crowd, one nation etc.\n–People gathered together as one (Echad) (Ezra 3:1)\n–The Lord or God is one (Echad) God (Deuteronomy 6:4)\n–In that day, there shall be one (Echad) Lord and His Name one (Echad) (Zechariah 14:9)\n\nFor example there is one nation, but in it there is many distinct different persons. So likewise God is one(echad) God.\n\nExample 2: There is one Sun to rule the earth,The sun manifests in threefold power,Light, fire and heat. They can co_exist at the same time. \n\nNow for the sake of study, Christians have seperated the father, the son and the holy spirit, to be able to learn about each individual in a more comprehensive manner.\n\nBut the truth is they are always together and they are inseperable.\n\nso all these to say that \na) God is one in operation but 3 in revelation\nb) The three are distinguishable but indivisible\n\nHope this helps
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It is what they are taught. It's part of their religion.\n\nThey are taught that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and not one but three different Gods. They are polytheist.
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In Christianity there is an idea about talents and gifts, each person is given certain talents and gifts.  They express them and use them hopefully as best they can.  These gifts differ from person to person and some talents are squandered and others are used wisely.  In Christianity, ideally there should be a lot of room given this idea about talents and gifts.  However, with the archetypes of Christ as the moral ideal, and Mary as a moral exemplary for women, some have said that being Christian is limiting individuality because of the narrow choices of spiritual exemplars.  This can be counteracted by those who show the diversity of saints as a sign of true diversity in spiritual exemplars.  But the majority of saints are either martyrs or virgins or both, hardly a lot of choice their on how to live and how to die.  Christianity allows many cultural expressions and religious sects as well as tolerates many artistic forms of expression.  However, Da Vinci Code and Last Temptation of Christ pushes the envelope for many Christians.  But from Gregorian Chant to Full Gospel Choir, from Eastern Orthodox Icons to Plastic Jesuses on a dashboard, from Pope in Rome to Pat Robertson, there are certainly a lot of individuality in Christianity.  How much room? "In my Father's mansion there are many rooms."  This could be a clue to how much Christ thought there was for those Christians fortunate enough to be given the gift of heaven.
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ok the trinity is a hard thing to understand   talk to a pastor  here is not the place to go for such a serious question,you will get alot of false answers, the father the son and the holy ghost are the three in one...a pastor will help you to understand
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Jesus is god. The father, son and the holy spirit is one. Just like water, ice and water vapour. these are all different states of water. So we worship Jesus, God and the holy spirit. Jesus is not another god.
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You are right. Trinity is a pagan belief and imagined by so called Christians. Here are some thoughts:\n\nJohn 1:1. The verse speaks of two Gods, but it does not imply equality. Too, the holy spirit is not mentioned in that verse. By the way the word "god" or "God" is a title and can be applied to Jesus. ( Psalm 82:1-6; etc)\n\nThe holy spirit is not a person. It is God's active force. See Acts 2:1-4. As such "it" can be given to persons. ( Example see John 20:22) It has no name, no face--unlike the father, and the son.\n\nMat 28:19. Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit. Does not imply the personality of the spirit, nor the equality of the 3. Since the holy spirit has no name. The word "name" in that verse refers to reputation. ( Psalm 22:1). Things--like electricity, roads, holy spirit--have reputations.\n\nJesus himself admitted that his father is greater than he is. (John 14:28) He admitted that he has limited powers. ( See Matthew 20:20-23; 24:36; John 5:30, etc) So, how can he be equal in power to God?\n\nOh well, you can not convince people who have made up their minds. Those who try to support the trinity are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. They simply can not.\n\nAs the saying goes: 'DO NOT GIVE ME THE FACTS, I HAVE ALREADY MADE UP MY MIND'.
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I agree with you completely. I am a christian, but I do not believe in the trinity theory. and there are ALLOT of references like this one that points toward the fact that they are not the same. A few of them are: after Jesus got baptized, God said to him, "this is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased." would he talk to himself? also when the people asked Jesus to teach them how to pray, Jesus taught them to pray to God, not to himself. If he was God why wouldn't he have the people pray to him? yet another, Jesus on the cross said "My God, why have you forsaken me?" would God not only talk to himself, but also forsake himself? A final one... the bible says that the only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the holy spirit (Mark 3:29). If they were all the same, then blaspheming any of them would be unforgivable. They are very separate beings, and not the same.
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It is all made up by the church.  Alot of Christianity was made up at the Nicea Council.........300 years after Jesus lived.  The idea of the trinity was not heard of till then, also.