The God Experiment,What do you think?
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Hmmmm....more science debunking religion. Great article.\n\nAnd what is the typical fundie response to it? Just check gwhiz's response..... fingers in ears, LA LA LA LA LA LA LA, Im not listening because I KNOW God is real.....\n\nCan you belevie we breathe the same air as these people? That they were educated in the same schools as you and I? Be afraid, be very afriad. This is where the future of America is heading.....
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The ingredients you find to rationalize your disbelief amuses me! Come on, dude, FLEAS!!!LOL that is your way of proving their's no God!? Weak proof at best. You should go back to the guy who put that into your head and slap him!!!LOL( just kidding, don't do that!) Appendectomies, right? Well I don't remember any of God's prophets killed from a lack of appendix surgeries! Yet God has always healed HIS CHILDREN who love Him. God uses such problems as the appendix to judge grown ups,yet things go wrong, and little children die, but isn't it better that they don't have to go on in this world but rather in a perfect world with their Father? Ohh yea, you believe that's it for the child, no chance, no hope, no love. Your beliefs sentence those children to nothingness and loss. Is that right? The "beef" as you say is in the Bible and you're starving yourself trying to devour the scraps dropped from Darwin's table. But his table is empty by Darwin's own admission. Darwin said "If one could prove that single-celled organisms can split then I am wrong." (I'm paraphrasing) And they can split as your precious science has proven. So why do scientists continue to back Darwin's THEORY? Because they would rather back a lie that they discovered rather than the truth that makes them useless. I'll tell you another miracle of God, friend. The miracle of God changing your heart, and that's the one that's harder than any other, but IT CAN HAPPEN if you'd let it.
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I wrote an article related to this... I hope you will take the time to really read it because it covers all the questions that you are asking. I wrote this paper not to accuse others... but to defend my faith in light of statements people ask concerning my faith in light of what I have learned from science. \n\n"Biblical Creationism: Fact or Myth? \nScientific Evidences for Skeptics to Ponder"\n\nDo you know what life is? I believe it's like a science experiment. We're here to find out why we are here. Unless you know a better reason, I'd say, it is to be skeptical and figure things out. \n\nIn case you didn't know; "skeptic" is a Greek word that means "to examine". We need to examine all the evidence and make up our minds what the truth is. I think that a lot of people get college degrees but devote themselves to one particular school of thought. They follow those thoughts without question and enjoy the mutual companionship of their closed group of peers. Most never realize that their grand theories are founded on mere presuppositions that have little to do with the facts.\n\nI think that a lot of people would believe in God right now if He personally appeared to them. If God appeared to anyone, in any form, it would be enough to convince them it was really Him! But then we wouldn't have a choice; no opportunity to grasp love's concepts. God does not want to force us to follow Him; just be willing to make that choice for ourselves!\n\nThink about it; all the ancient religions taught that the universe had no beginning,... but one. Some taught that gods came out of sort of a watery substance and that the earth was made through great upheavals and violence between the gods. A religion is worthless unless it is grounded in scientific facts! If there is such a religion today, then we better find out what the truth is in all this!\n\nI believe the God of the Bible is the most logical explanation for our universe as we know it today. Consider these next few statements of rational logic. First, there has to be a cause for every effect. The universe had to come from something. There is no natural explanation for how the sun, moon, and stars could come from nothing! Therefore, for every effect, there has to be a cause! This Cause has to come from outside the universe; outside of nature. In other words;...supernatural. When I state "supernatural" I mean; a limitless being outside of time and space. Think about it! The only religion that ever stated otherwise was the biblical concept of Genesis! God always existed, but the universe did not!\n\nSecond, the Cause must be independent of it's effect. It can not be required to depend it's existence upon the universe. For nothing can change from a state of nothingness.\n\nThird, the Cause must be infinitely powerful! If it were limited, it would have to be confined by some other thing. It can not be limited by nothing and if it were limited, it would not be independent any longer. The effect can not be greater than the cause. The Cause has to be greater than the effect! It has to be greater than all the forces of the universe combined!\n\nFourth, the first Cause must be eternal. The creator must exist outside of time. The God of the Bible stated this in Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58. All the other religions honored harvest gods, war gods, moon gods, sun gods, animal-headed gods, fertility gods and goddesses. In fact, most of these gods were restricted to time as well as location. (1)\n\nFifth, the first Cause must be spiritual. Only an entity outside the universe could have created it. It must be beyond the physical elements. John 4:24 states that God is Spirit.\n\nSixth, the first Cause must be all-knowing. The creator created the universe. Albert Einstein wrote, "The harmony of natural law... reveals and intelligence of such superiority that compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an
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Definitely.  It cannot work against science as science is a measure of our tangible universe.  However, if there was a God I'm pretty sure it could over-ride the observations of current science and science would have to adapt. Regardless, its actions would have to be measureable and governed by some rule that could be converted into an equation.
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"God thinks" you say.  Really?  What do you base your belief on?
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"Look, Lord!", said the angel. "The humans have come up with the theory of libertarian free will.... just like You said they would."\n\nThink about it.\n\nA little deeper.
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Tell us then. Who is god? Why is he hidden? Is there an afterlife? \n\nGo find the answers,then come back and let us know.
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The onset of reality.  Honestly, I just realized how much religion contradicted science.  I saw religion as an antiquated idea that tried to explain the unexplainable.  Once science got out from under the control of religion, it flourished and started to push religion back into the dark corners of "the unknown", where it continues to kick and scream for every scrap of control it can get.\n\nAnd I also couldn't accept a god that was so cruel, arbitrary and uncaring.  Reading the OT, I know that this was a god with whom I wanted nothing to do.  Even reading the NT, reading very closely, I wasn't that thrilled.  If this is what god is, I want nothing to do with him.\n\nThat, and I met someone who was unapologetically athiest.  I realized then that it was OK, I could be one too.  I realized that being an athiest doesn't make you a satan worhiper who bites of the heads of babies.  Most true athiests that I've met have been much better people than the rest.  They just choose to accept responsablity for their own lives and live without superstition.\n\nThat being said, I do enjoy studying about mythology (in which category I include all religions.)  I love the whole Jungian/Campbell view of it and what it tells us about who we are as a people.  Neat stuff.
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Wow:  Thanks for the info about the DNA.  For those readers that wondered how the world comes into being without God creating what He alone is able and willing, such info as the DNA, let alone the rest of the whole complex of Created mass and masterpieces, it rests on this issue.  You see, you think, and you understand.  OR you see, and refuse to see, you think and you refuse to think, and you refuse to understand.  Part of that matter of Free choice.  The simple fact is, what you choose to believe is also part of the gift you were given in Creation.  You believe or not, and amazing, it gives you a part in the rest of the community.  There are adequate numbers of unbelievers, that will all affirm your faithlessness, just as there are adequate numbers of believers who will affirm your believe in pagan cult, just as there are adequate numbers of believers in Islam, or Christianity or any other form religion.  Numbers however, doesnt affirm factuallity.  Flat world theorists believe it.  Round world hanging in space believe it.  Sun circling the earth believers affirm it, as do earth circling the sun believers affirm their bit of observation.  \n   Did Noach go searching for the animals?  No, the Text says, according to Moses, affirming that GOd instructed him to write, that God caused the animals to come to the ark.  Noachs job was to build it and stock it with grain and grass, as all the animals would eat vegetarian while aboard, including Noach and family.  Is that possible?  Depends on how you view and believe.  Impossible for those who refuse to believe that GOD was involved.  Possible for those that choose to believe in such miracle process or natural process.   It is all amazing, no matter what you believe.  If you believe God created, thats amazing.  From my point of view thats acceptable.  What would be more amazing is to try to figure out how all this world in all its complexity came into being without a Creator God, since it is obviously more complex than any human can contrive.  Heck,,,we cant even create a blade of grass from nothing, let alone a human eye..or the rest of a human being.\n   The story of the group of scientists who were all working on a grand assignment, to duplicate life...and one day they all agreed, they had done it.  Accomplished the grand impossible,  they had developed a life form in a petri dish.   Eureka they shouted...we did it.  We dont need GOD any more.   THEN GOD SAID :  Now, try it without anything:  No dirt, no fire, no water, no air and no petri dish.
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Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, fu ck in' a off! He's a tight-as ! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!
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God! seeing as how he inspired it! :)
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At last! An excellent point in my opinion. If God created humans, then he made us capable of questioning everything around us. Otherwise, we'd never have developed technology, learnt how to advance as a society and form our own opinions. So if he created us that way, why wouldn't we question the Bible and all it states?\nMaybe it's right, maybe it isn't. Surely the challenge is for us to discover that for ourselves, not effectively be told "think like us or go to hell!" If there is a God, we have to hope he's proud that we think for ourselves.
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How do we know that "answered prayers" are illusions? We simply perform scientific experiments. We ask a group of believers to pray for something and then we watch what happens. What we find, whenever we test the efficacy of prayer scientifically, is that prayer has zero effect: \n\nIt does not matter who prays. \nIt does not matter if we pray to God, Allah, Vishnu, Zeus, Ra or any other human god. \nIt does not matter what we pray about. \nIf we perform scientific, double-blind tests on prayer, and if the prayers involve something concrete and measurable (for example, healing people with cancer), we know that there is zero effect from prayer. Every single "answered prayer" is nothing more than a coincidence. Both scientific experiments and your everyday observations of the world show this to be the case every single time.\n\nDon't hold your breath on Iraq.
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If your being an honest skeptic, you would have to include the Bible as a possible source of information that God exists. Actually the proof is all around you. Think about it, how could everything (with even just a single cell being very very complex) just be here out of chance? I sugggest watching the DVD "Where does the Evidence Lead?". It's really good and explains well the case for or against intellegent design. It's very well done and helped me a lot. I also suggest reading "the Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. It's really good about showing evidence for or against whether Jesus was God and it really makes sense. Actually, Strobel was an aithiest when he conducted the research and by the time he was done, his view was completely the opposite.
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Subject: Fw: Theory of Evil \n\n\n\n\n"Does evil exist? Did God create evil?" \nThe University professor challenged his students with this question: \n"Did God create everything that exists?" \n \nA student bravely replied, "Yes he did!" \n \n"God created everything?" The professor asked. \n \n"Yes sir", the student replied. \n \n        The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God \ncreated evil, since evil exists, and according to the principal that \nour works define who we are, then God is evil." \n        The student became quiet before such an answer. The professor, \nquite pleased with himself, boasted to the students that he had proven \nonce more that the religious faith was a myth. \n        Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a \nquestion professor?" \n    "Of course", replied the professor. \n \nThe student stood up and asked, "Professor does cold exist?" \n \n"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you \nnever been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's \nquestion. \n        The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. \nAccording to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in \nreality the absence of heat. Everybody or object is susceptible \nto study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes \na body or matter have or transmit energy. \n        Absolute zero (-460? F) is the total absence of heat; all \nmatter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. \nCold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how \nwe feel if we have no heat." \n        The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?" \nThe professor responded, "Of course it does." \n        The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness \ndoes not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light \nwe can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism \nto break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths \nof each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can \nbreak into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know \nhow dark a certain space is?    You measure the amount of light present. \nIsn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what \nhappens when there is no light present." \n        Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?" \nNow uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have \nalready said. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's \ninhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence \neverywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil. \n        To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least \nit does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is \njust like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe \nthe absence of God. God did not create evil.  Evil is the result of what \nhappens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's \nlike the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that \ncomes when there is no light." \nThe professor sat down. \nThe young man's name -- Albert Einstein\n=====================================\nhttp://patriotfiles.org/america.htm
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I am not a great believer in the God theory, so I'm not surprised that he/she hasn't been back since the old biblical days.\nIf there is a God, perhaps he doesn't like what he sees, and has washed his hands of the whole mess.
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It would first be necessary for the apparition to convince me that it was in fact god.  The obvious test to use, since one may suppose that god knows everything, is to ask for the ultimate theory of everything.  (Einstein spent the last years of his life looking for such a theory; he never found it, and neither has anyone else.  The problem is fiendishly difficult.)  If the apparition succeeded in convincing me that it was god, then I should ask: what would he like me to do?