How much Latin should I be familiar with before I am able to read the Vulgate (what chapter in Wheelock's)?
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I admit I haven't seen the Vulgate, but I would imagine you need all of Wheelock's and a lot of practice with literature.  Wheelock's covers all of the grammar, but even if you know how the constructions work, it takes practice to handle them fluently.  Good luck...that's something I hope to do one day myself as well.
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The Apocalypse Of Saint John\n Chapter 13 \n\n\n16 And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand, or on their foreheads. 17 And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six. \n\n"Six hundred sixty-six"... The numeral letters of his name shall make up this number.
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In pictura est puella, nomine Cornelia.\n\nNo doubt I've got the spelling wrong, but for the people who get the fun task of learning Latin, this is the first thing in the book.\n\nAlso:\n\nRomanae eunt domus!
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Like you the Gospel of Thomas would probably be at the top of the list.  I would add the Gospel of Mary and parts of the book of Epiphanius (specifically book 33 of The Medicine Chest).  I also skimmed the Malleus Maleficarum if that counts.\n\nInteresting Question, I hope you get some more answers.\n\nRegards,\nArmus
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One thing to keep in mind, when reading the O.T. is that even though you read it literally, you must keep in mind the literary context of the passage, and the culture and time it was written in. \nFirst, this was written to a young nation, just coming out of slavery, and facing some formidable enemies.\nSecond, They had seen miracles unike anything any nation before or since, has seen, so they had a higher level of accountability for their actions - For an Israelite of this time to entice another to turn from God would be a great offence, because they were responsible for a huge amount of revelation from God.\n\nI think the modern-day equivalent would be executing a Traitor or a spy - not at all unheard of even in the last century. Because Israel at this time was a Theocracy, idolotry would be the same as becoming an "enemy of the state".\n\nwrathpuppet, I know you don't believe the Bible is God's Word, but you still might consider taking an introductory course on Biblical exegesis - I think you would find it quite interesting (and maybe even profitable).\n\nBackground studies may be divided into two areas — semantics and pragmatics. Semantics is the study of the language of a text, while pragmatics is the study of the circumstances surrounding the individual linguistic expressions. Exegesis must give equal weight to both areas.\n\n(The particular passage in question was a national law for the fledgling nation of Israel, which was a Theocracy remember.)\n\nFinally (and I think this is your main concern in posting this question), there is application - i.e. what does this text tell me to do today? When you have a problem with the application of a verse, passage, etc, remember this: no Scripture is of any private interpretation - Scripture always interprets Scripture, so just keep reading and the application will present itself. In Romans 12:21-13:10 it says \n12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. \n13:1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.\n2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.\n3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.\n4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.\n5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.\n6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing.\n7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.\n8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. \n9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”\n10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.\n\nSo, there you have the answer, in modern application of the Deuteronomy 13:6-10 \n1. Evil is to be overcome with good, 2. we know that we must obey the governing authority, and the laws they impose, and 3. that we must love our neighbor, it is not good to kill my neighbor, it is unloving to kill my neighbor, and it is unlawful to kill my neighbor.\n\nConclusion: As a Biblical Christian, I must not kill my friend when he invites me to participate in a pagan ritual or attend a yoga session.\n\nP.S. Schneb's study on the Law  bel
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In harmony with truth (Concordia cum veritate) <= sigh, what will the latin professors/ historians/ linguists think?
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"In the Begining was the Word and the word was with God and the Word was God." John 1:1\n\nStart with the Gospels, read Romans, then probably see where it takes you next...  Study the Bible reference the original language then you get a better feeling of what the writer is really trying to say... A lot is lost in modern translation
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Ok, well I found a translator on the net and boy does it lose the flow:)\n\nAve Husband In order to completely Husband In order to completely Husband In order to completely Ave ave master Master tecum Benedicta you upon mulieribus And benedictus And benedictus fruit the stomach The stomach your Jesus Ave Husband Ave Husband Mother dei Region for us pecatoribus Region , region for us Region region for us pecatoribus Now and upon hour deadly Upon hour deadly , deadly our Upon hour deadly our Ave Husband!
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go to www.magusbooks.com
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Why don't you audit a Latin class at a local university? Latin grammar is very complex and hard to learn on your own.\n\nHowever, if you want a good Latin text, Wheelock's Latin is the ones most university Latin professors teach from.
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for new testament study, i actually read the original language, Greek.  there is no substitute... learn it if you ever have the opportunity!  for general reading, i typically read the nasb or esv because they tend to be the most literal without as much translators interpretation involved... but a faithful paraphrase like the nlt (new living) or an "optimal" translation like the hcsb is always helpful as well\n\nkatlyn, i really have the same concern though about not getting the full meaning... i certainly don't understand it as good as the native speakers did, and i understand english much better, but my hope is that over time it will get more natural.  it is invaluable being able to see what's really going on semantically though, so you're not in the dark when people talk about such things, don't you think?
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Start with Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John in the New Testament.  Then Psalms and Proverbs in the Old Testament.  That should give you a good start.
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Invest in a "CliffsComplete" copy of whatever work you're reading. It has the full text of the original work as well as interpretations and all the stuff that would be in the "CliffNotes" version.
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(From your hint, I take it the answer you want is #3 below, but I'll fill in the details nonetheless.)\n\nIt all depends on which "English" you are referring to\n\n1) OLD English -- there are several who translated at least parts of the Bible into Old English from the 7th to 9th centuries, beginning with the Venerable Bede.\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_Bible_translations\n\n2) MIDDLE English -- this one, already mentioned, was a translation from the Latin Vulgate by John Wycliff in the 1380s.  (Also note the important role Wycliff's persecuted followers, the "Lollards" played in setting the stage for the Reformation in England\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_English_Bible_translations\n\n3) MODERN English -- the great century of early Modern English translations begins with William Tyndale's work, first made public with the publication of his New Testament translated from Greek (with some help/influence from Luther's slightly earlier German translation).  As you hint, by the time his Old Testament (from the Hebrew) came out, he was burned at the stake (1536).  Of course, in the following decades a number of English versions came out, culminating in the half new translation, half revision 'King James Version' in 1611 -- but ALL of them owe a great deal to Tyndale's work \n\nAs a matter of factd, many of the expressions that the KJV is credited with bringing into the English language actually go back to Tyndale, which makes him, together with Shakespeare, one of the two great shapers of modern English (analogous to Luther's influence on Modern German through his Bible translation.\nhttp://www.hertford.ox.ac.uk/alumni/tyndale.htm\n\nBut, speaking of Shakespeare, the story about his name being hidden in the Psalms [Psalm 46, actually] as a clue that he either helped translate or that the translators wished to honor him -- whichever version of the story you've heard-- is, sad to say, pure bunkum.  There are a number of things that tell against it (see links below for more), but probably the strongest points are"\n(a) the count doesn't even work unless you arbitrarily leave out the word "Selah" which in the KJV is treated as a regular part of the text\n(b) the Hebrew words for "shake" and "spear" were there in the Psalm all along, and translated this way in pre-King James translations back to Tyndale (many before Shakespeare was even born!)\nhttp://av1611.com/kjbp/ridiculous-kjv-bible-corrections/psalm-46-Shakespeare-in-KJV.html\nhttp://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/1828
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Old English? http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~sconstan/
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Here are some references I found.  I checked for St. Augustine and Romans 7:19.  Hopefully these will help.\n\nhttp://www.erikwait.com/index.cgi?location=8&action=display_one&story_id=39\nhttp://www.geocities.com/Athens/7939/rom7.html\nhttp://www.newadvent.org/summa/108301.htm\nhttp://www.godrules.net/library/arminius/arminius131.htm
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Got it in front of me - \n\nEcce Romani 1 : Meeting the family\nA Latin reading Course Prepared by the Scottish Classics Group\nOliver & Boyd, 1971.\nISBN 0 05 002366 7\n\nSed Marcus et Cornelia non in horto ambulat. Cornelia cum amica sua, Flavia, in horto ambulat. Marcus cum amico suo, Sexto (puer gloriosus et temerarius!) in horto ludit. Et Davus iracundus est...\n-------------------------------------\nsigns of the times - Yahoo has edited out c-u-m. God help us all.