Is Ishmael son of Abraham considered bad seed by the Jews and Christians?
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Since all we have on him is what is contained in the Bible, I would have to say that we don't know enough about the man to make an informed opinion. \n\nPersonally, I think God allowed a great thing to happen. When Abraham forced Haggar and Ishmael to leave the camp, He (God) knew that Islam would eventually result from it. And that there are many wonderful Gospel principles in that faith. I think that maybe what He hoped would happen didn't because of our ability to choose, but He will make it work out for the best in the end.
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In reference to the answer provided by orphan_of_the_sky, I would point out that, just as shown in the paragraphs below about Canaan being the son of Noah's son Ham, "Israel" is actually the name of a person, and it is his descendants who are called Israelites.  Note that Israel was also known as Jacob, the father of Joseph (of Technicolor Dreamcoat" fame).\n\nThere are Hittites, Ishmaelites, Ammonites, et cetera.  Take off the "ite," and you will come close to knowing the "father" of that "nation."\n\nBiblical Canaanites\nHam discovered Noah naked while Noah was sleeping off some wine (Genesis 9:22). Because of this Noah cursed Ham's son Canaan to go into servitude not only to his Shemite and Japhethic cousins, but even to his Hamite brethren (Genesis 9:25).\n\nIn the so-called Table of Peoples in the tenth chapter of Genesis, Canaan is included among the four sons of Ham. It is generally agreed (apart from perhaps the most extreme minimalists) that Cush in 10:6 signifies Ethiopia, Mizraim (lit. two lands) is the Hebrew name for Upper and Lower Egypt, and Phut (Puti) a Libyan tribe. The name of their father, Ham, is often thought to be cognate with the old Egyptian name for Egypt, Kam-t (black), though this is more widely disputed. Some skeptics in the very early 1900s postulated that Cush, Mizraim, Put and Ham were all locations in northern Arabia, and suggested the name Canaan was therefore similarly of Arab origin. These scholars suggest it is plausible that inscriptions in the Canaanite language incorporated some geographic and religious phrases that originated in Arabic, although this is denied by other linguists, who posit that Arabic obtained such phrases from their Middle Eastern neighbours. Whatever the situation, it would appear that Canaanites were an amalgam of a variety of ethnic groups including North East Caucasian (Hurrians), Indo-Europeans (Hittites and Indo-Aryan Mitannites), various Semitic groups, Philistines and other People of the Sea, and elements from Egypt or even the Sudan and Libya.\n\nThus in the Bible Canaanites are identified as divided into eleven tribes or areas: Sidon; Heth (possibly Hittites); Jebusites; Amorites; Girgasites; Hivites (Possibly Hurrians); Arkites; Sinites; Arvadites; Zemarites; Hamathites.\n\nCanaanite populations are said to inhabit:\n\nthe Jordan Valley Josh. 11:3, Num. 13:29; Gen. 13:12), and \nMediterranean coastal territories Josh. 5:1; also including Phoenicia Isa. 23:11; and Philistia Zeph. 2:5 \nThe Canaanites or Kna'anim (כנענים, Standard Hebrew Kənaʻani, Tiberian Hebrew Kənaʻanî) are said in Deuteronomy 7:1 to have been one of seven nations driven out before the Israelites. Other passages describe regional ethnic divisions, of which the Canaanites were the coastal component. The term "Canaanites" in this context corresponds exactly to "Phoenicians". The seven Canaanite nations mentioned are the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites.\n\nThe Bible indicates that God cautioned the Israelites against the sexual depravities of the Canaanites and their fertility cult (Leviticus 18:27). Thus the land of the Canaanites (specifically the Amorites, Hivites, Hethites, Girgashites and Jebusites) was deemed suitable for conquest by the Israelites partly on moral grounds. Deuteronomy 20:16-17, one of the 613 mitzvot, prescribes that no inhabitants of the cities of six Canaanite nations, the same as mentioned in 7:1, minus the Girgashites, are to be left alive.
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Who are God's chosen people?\n\nGod's chosen people are the "elect", whether those of faith prior to Christ's coming or after.  This is the mystery of the gospel.\n\nRomans 2:28-29 and Galations 3:28-29 tells us who a true "Jew" is...all "in Christ".  It has nothing to do with race or gender.\n\nThe "Israel of God" (Galations 6:16) are all who identify themselves to Him through faith in His Son, Jesus Christ and who obey Him.\n\nGod is no respecter of persons.  To give special consideration to a physical nation or group of people is Zionistic and anti-scriptural.  It is to miss completely WHO Abraham's seed really is.\n\nAbraham's seed is Christ.  Abraham was not a Jew.  Jacob had not even been born to Isaac yet.  And it is for Jacob that Israel was named, and Judah was a son of Jacob (name later changed to Israel).  It is from Judah that the name "Jew" comes.  Therefore, Abraham was not a Jew. \n\nSo, all "in Christ" are Abraham's true lineage who will inherit the promises God promised to Him.  God's people are those of FAITH, not race.
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All I can see is from the Old Testament, Israel fell in and out of God's favor for hundreds of years, when they were bad, they suffered, and when they were righteous they prospered....and from the looks of it, they don't seem to be prospering right now, so what does that tell you?\nI don't know why Christians today can see Israel as doing no wrong, as if they're immune to evil decisions, funny they never were before and suffered plenty for it.\n\nIf we saddle up with Israel we are also guilty of it's evil, they've already rejected Jesus Christ as the Messiah, and that's a biggie.
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Not Esau, Ishmael.\n\nIshmael, according to Islamic tradition, is an ancestor of Muhammed.\n\nWhen  Abraham and Sarah couldn't have children together, Sarah gave Abraham their servant Hagar, whom he impregnated.  Sarah became angry with Hagar, over I'm sure what, and Hagar was thrown out of the house, or tent (as it was back then).  Hagar gave birth to a baby boy that she named Ishmael, under command of an angel of G-d.  Ishmael's bloodline will go on to include Adan, and then eventually Muhammed.
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The Jews of Jesus' Time were looking for a Deliverer King, who would drive Israel's enemy's out of Israel. Jesus came as a Suffering Servant, to show them what being God's Chosen really meant.\n\nGod's intention with Israel was for them to be a Light to the Gentile Nations, representing Him to the World. Unfortunately they failed in this. With Christ's,(Messiah's), coming the door to the Gentiles was opened.\n\nThe Church is ,"The Wild Olive Branch grafted into The Cultivated Olive Tree..." We have not replaced Israel, but we are Spiritually Israel. Israel remains The Root of Christianity.\n\nWhy did the Jews miss all the Old Testament Prophecies ? Their Leaders did not ! They KNEW who Jesus was, and rejected Him for the above reason. I have not personally counted, but I have read that there are over 700 Messianic Prophecies in The Old Testament.\n\nTrust me. The Day is coming when Israel will recognize who their Messiah is, and turn to Him ! They will weep for Him as one weeps for one of their own children.  Israel will be Saved.
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Genesis 18:18 "Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him."\n\nGenesis 22:18 "...through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed"\n\nGod's promise to Abraham was not solely for his descendants alone (the Hebrews).  It was clearly stated that ALL nations would be blessed through Abraham.  The promise (first given while Abraham was childless) was that through his family line would come a blessing for all nations. For the Christian, this promised blessing reaches its fulfillment in Christ.  Jesus was the promised offspring that would change the world.  Abraham trusted the sure promise of God by faith...just as we trust that same sure promise through faith in Jesus Christ.
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First of all, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob are not dead people. They are in heaven In Matthew 22 it is said: 29Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.....have you not read what God said to you, 32'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'[a]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." \n\nSo I guess that replies to 1st part of your question. As for the second, I think you don't need a real answer, that was your funny way of asking. Isn't it?  If you would like to refer to Judah then go ahead but means you refer to their God: The Devil!!!
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God established a covent with Moses including a ceremonial part which is a forshadow of that which is to come.Moses testafied of Messiah,Daniel told the time.Jesus established a new covenent in His blood,(read hebrews)the temple, with sacrafice,will b re-enstated....this time for antichrist.Jews eyes will b opened when he committs the abomination of desolation,Jews were only blinded in heart,so us gentiles coule obtain salvation,thru Jesus and provke Jews to jealousy,seeing the blessings of God on us.you as a Jew,r the apple of Gods eye,and true seed of Aberham,by accepting Gods true only begotten son..Jesus.to end ...seak Him,lift ur voice unto Him u will know He is.
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Muslims may be taught the lie. The most I can do is pray that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will make His Name great among all people. By the way were're not always wrong.
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No. You heard incorrectly. The deities of Egypt were left in Egypt when the Isrealites left their slavery behind (mostly, they backslid at least once).\n\nThe God, known as "YHWH" or "I AM" to the Isrealites, is known by many names. "EL" simply means "GOD". The Isrealites get their tribal name from one of their forfathers: Isreal.\n\nLong story made short:\n\nAbram the Aramean: Left home country to become a nomadic shepherd.  Name changed to Abraham by God. "Abram" means "father of a multitude", Abraham means "father of many nations".   Had  9  sons:  Ishmael  (by his concubine Hagar) the firstborn, Isaac (by his wife Sarah) the promised son and later heir, and by his 2nd wife Keturah, Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. The sons of Hagar and Keturah were given gifts and sent away from their father, Isaac recieved the bulk of the inheiritance.\n\nIsaac married once: Rebekkah. They had twin boys: Esau and Jacob. Although he was second born, Jacob recieved the blessing of the firstborn by tricking his blind father. He had to split town: Esau was upset enough to kill him!    \n\nJacob went back to Aram. He married his distant cousins, Leah and Rachel, and later, their maids became his concubines (effectively 4 wives). These 4 women collectively bore 13 children: 12 sons and one daughter.\n\nAfter more than 20  years absence, Jacob decided to leave Aram and go home. Terrified of his ticked-off brother, he spends the last night away from his family, so his brother can come after him and spare his wives and children (if he wants to). While alone, an Angel attacks him, and they wrestle all night. At daybreak, the angel tries to get away, but Jacob pins it down and demands a blessing. The Angel replies by changing Jacob's name to ISRAEL, meaning  "Wrestles with God". The name, Isreal has applied to Jacob's decendents ever since.
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Ha, what a pile of garbage. True the messiah was supposed to be a descendent of king David but that decent is patrilineal (from father to son) Mathew in the first part even shows how jesus was this though his father Josef. But wait. I thought that Jesus was the son of G-d so he cant be a descendant of king David. Strike one. They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." Isaiah 2:4. This is Isaiah’s prediction of what the messiah supposed to do. Basically world peace look around you. Strike two. The messiah was also supposed to restore the temple in Jerusalem and gather the Jews back to Israel. The temple still has not been built and more than ½ of Jews today don’t live in Israel. Strike three. Jesus is out of there.\nThe truth is Jesus did not fulfill ANY of the requirements to be the messiah. And NO WHERE dose it say any in the writings before Jesus thing about someone coming to cleanse sin or getting a second chance at it latter. (if you want the bible quotes to support the rest of my augment email me at Gratvol@yahoo.com)\n\n\n\noh and dcomputerman if all you needed to be was the son of a woman descendant of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and from the tribe of Judah line of King David I have just a good chance of being the Messiah as Jesus did.
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(m)\n\nABRAHAM\n\nThis name may be viewed either as meaning "father of many" in Hebrew or else as a contraction of ABRAM and Hebrew hamon "many". The biblical Abraham was originally named Abram but God changed his name (see Genesis 17:5). He led his followers from Ur into Canaan, and is regarded by the Jews as being the founder of the Hebrews through his son Isaac and by the Muslims as being the founder of the Arabs through his son Ishmael. A famous bearer of this name was Abraham Lincoln, the American president during the American Civil War.
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Yes, and what if they are wrong and Islam is right? Then they will go to the same place us lol! Or maybe the Jews are right and then they will also get punished for idolising. In the end it boils down to where and by whom you get brought up. Christians/ Judaism and Islam have just done to much harm in the past for me to trust any of them.
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Realistically there is not justification for the argument and war between Christians and Jews.  If both sides will read scripture, they will understand the role of both sides.  It is just a matter of petty squabbles between two sets of people that seem to think that they are better than the other set in every way.  Though not all members of either set think the way that the entire set as a whole thinks.  I have nothing against the Jews at all, they are God's chosen people and I have immense respect for that fact.  I only pity and feels sorryfor those Jews that do not see that Jesus is the Messiah that was promised them centuries ago and thus rejoice in that fact and see that he is going to come again and fulfill the rest of prophecy in a very real way.
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Jesus was a prophet, just like the many prophets before him and the one after him.  Besides, how could any one kill God?  Just like God would not lessen himself to an animal, neither would a rich medical doctor go begging on the streets.  The story is, there was a Jewish man named Saul.  He killed hundreds of thousands of Christians for the Roman Empire.  The religion of God was spreading, and his attempts were being unsuccessful.  Many years after prophet Jesus left us, he 'converted' to Christianity and introduced the concept of Zues son of Apollo relationship into Christianity and Saul changed his name and is now known as St. Paul.  According to Christian historians, many verses, including the one where it claims that God says prophet Jesus is His only begotten son, was added by Saul aka St. Paul.  He has destroyed Christianity from within and is now a pagan religion; look around next time you go to church.  The Bible is also full of Islamic prophesies. One that I recall is in genesis ~from the seed of Ishmael I will create a great nation and from him 12 princes will be descendant of. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was the only one to claim to be from prophet Ishmael plus he had 12 righteous descendants, as also stated in bukhari. The Bible also says that false prophets will not be successful but in the not to far off future, Islam will be the largest religion in this planet. Plus prophet Abraham and prophet Ishmael build the Kaba, and prophet Ishmael is buried there beside the building. Note, prophet Jesus did not have a father and was born of a Virgin Mary with the spirit, but prophet Adam had neither a mother or father and was made of the spirit without any previous human connection. If prophet Jesus brought the dead person to life, prophet Moses brought an inanimate piece of wood into a snake which is more miraculous. What is the miracle of Prophet Muhammad (SAW)? A Book, the Holy Qur'an, unchanged with proof for 1400 years, what other book can claim this? And if you think it was just good book keeping, there is a verse there claiming that God will protect the Holy Qur'an from any changes. Also the banned Bible according to St. Barnabas clearly states that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) will come after prophet Jesus.
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According to Christianity, Isaac was the one supposed to be sacrificed by Abrahan, his father.  But according to Islam, it was rather the older son Ishmael, who was Abraham's son by the slave Hagar.