Why do Pro Choice people consider a baby to be a "mass of cells"?
954031
People were told that 40 yrs ago, before sonograms could refute it.
952116
According to the pro-abortion Alan Guttmacher Institute, these are the reasons women give for aborting their children:\n\n75% say a baby would interfere with work, school, or other responsibilities.\n\n75% say they cannot afford a baby.\n\n50% say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their partner.\n\nAbout 40% say they already have all the children they want.\n\nAbout 30% say they are “not ready” have a child.\n\nAbout 1% became pregnant due to rape or incest.\n\nNone of these are good reasons for killing a living human being.  In every situation, the unborn child is completely innocent and does not deserve to die.  There is ANOTHER body involved in abortion other than the woman's, and that is the body of the child.  At three weeks, the baby's heart is already beating.  At six weeks, the baby has recordable brain waves and tiny fingers.  At eight weeks, the baby can suck her thumb and has all her organs.  At nine weeks, the baby can grasp an object placed in her palm.  The average age of an aborted baby in America is 10 weeks.  \n\nTake a look at:\n\nPhotos of Abortions, Including 1st Trimester Abortions:\nhttp://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/pictures.html\n\nA Four-Minute, Must-See Video on Abortion:\nhttp://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-video.html\n\nInformation on All Aspects of Abortion:\nhttp://Abort73.com\n\nPhotos and Facts About Prenatal Development:\nhttp://www.justthefacts.org/clar.asp\nhttp://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-2-prenatal.html\nhttp://www.studentsforlife.uct.ac.za/foetal%20dev%20photos.html\nhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/3847319.stm\nhttp://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/11weeks.htm\n\nPain Perception in the Unborn:\nhttp://www.advocatesfortheinnocent.com/fetalpain.html\n\nAbortion Stories:\nhttp://abortiontv.com/Words/truestoriesfrom-mothers.htm\nhttp://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-G-2-testimony.html\nhttp://www.teenbreaks.com/abortion/girlswhoaborted.cfm\n\nPro-Life Answers to “Pro-Choice” Arguments:\nhttp://www.deathroe.com/Pro-life_Answers/\nhttp://www.pregnantpause.org/abort/choicarg.htm\n\nRape and Abortion:\nhttp://www.deathroe.com/Pro-life_Answers/Answers.cfm?ID=31\nhttp://www.afterabortion.info/Victims/index.htm\nhttp://www.focusonthefamily.com/focusmagazine/sohl/A000000103.cfm\nhttp://www.dakotavoice.com/200611/Guest/20061101_GR.html\nhttp://www.afterabortion.info/PAR/V2/n1/RAPESUM.htm\n\nIs Abortion Ever Necessary to Save the Life of the Mother?\nhttp://www.all.org/article.php?id=10682\nhttp://www.advocatesfortheinnocent.com/motherslife.html
948061
If you believe that life begins at conception, then it would be murder. If on the other had you think that at conception all that is there is a blob of cells, then that is not murder.\n\nAs for me, if I were ever impregnated, I would have a life growing at the moment of conception. If anyone were to kill it, it would be murder. I wouldn't have an abortion because to me, it is murder\n\nEach woman has to decide for HERSELF what it is for her. Since some people do see nothing but a blob of cells, well for that woman, she doesn't see anything wrong with abortion. I think that we should keep out of woman's pants and reproduction issues and let the individual decide for herself when it comes to this issue. This should never have been an issue for public policy.
1056721
I'd like to warn you that my opinion about abortion is based on reason, and very few people approach the abortion debate using reason. For most people, it's an emotional debate fueled by guilt. The emotions on the issue tend to run so deeply most people forget which is which. So I do apologize for any hurt feelings which result from my dealing with abortion reasonably.\n\nI support a woman's right to have control over their reproductive capacity. Abortion does not affect citizens (a person is not a citizen until they are born) or the intrinsic assets of the nation, so there is no legislative basis for there to be any laws taking rights away from a citizen (the pregnant woman). Two beings cannot occupy the same body with equal rights. One has to have veto power over the other. It would be revolting to not respect the rights of Life Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness for all citizens.\n\nFurthermore, abortion is not murder. Murder is the willful taking of one human's life by another human. I've seen pictures, and the fetus might look vaguely human, but physiologically a fetus is more like a salamander than a human. I know that sounds harsh, but there's also a degree to which deep down you know that it's true.\n\nNeurologically, the child isn't complete until it's a year old, and continues developing for about 25 years. So while it's still in the womb, it's certainly not a developed human. It's a part of our natural development for the brain to be undeveloped at birth because otherwise the head could never have fit through the opening. \n\nI asked the question "What makes humans distinct from other animals?" I received many interesting answers: The awareness that we are different from other animals, the ability to make rational decisions, the ability to suppress our animal nature, the ability to conceptualize good and evil, large brains, the ability to create art, the ability to question one's existence, speech, self improvement, and so on. At a glance, it's fairly obvious that a fetus does not have any of these qualities. In doing further research, I came across this website which I strongly recommend: http://7e.devbio.com/article.php?id=162\n\nA fetus has the potential of becoming human, but being human is a very special thing and a fetus isn't there yet. Being human is more than just a matter of our genetic make-up. It's about the way we think. Without the way we think, we are like any other animal. \n\nGiven that most people believe in the existence of a soul, It becomes an issue to consider when a person gets a soul. If you believe that only humans have souls, then the fetus doesn't have one because it's not yet human. It has the potential to become human, but it's not there yet. If you believe that all creatures have souls, then it has a soul to the degree to which a salamandar has a soul.As for what happens to the soul after death, If you believe in the polarity of Heaven and Hell, then the answer varies from person to person. If you believe in Karma, then that life served a purpose which it was there to do and can karmically celebrate that it's life accomplished what it was destined to accomplish.\n\nDon't get me wrong, I don't want anyone to think that I'm advocating killing babies. Babies are cute and respond well to people, kinda like puppies, and I am also opposed to killing puppies. In fact I have often been very supportive of all things child related and puppy related. But when it comes right down to it, and we consider the neural biology, certain facts become apparent. But I want to make it very clear that I am in no way advocating infanticide, which is much nicer than the bible which doesn't even mention infanticide despite the fact that it was commonly practiced at the time. In fact, until about a hundred years ago, I can't recall this ever having been much of an issue ever in the history of the world. Bu
203549
The life of a baby begins long before he or she is born. A new individual human being begins at fertilization, when the sperm and ovum meet to form a single cell that has it's own unique human DNA.  If the baby's life is not interrupted, he or she will someday become an adult man or woman.  The label of "fetus" is to signify what stage the human is in just like toddler or adult.\n\nSo the question is why can you leagal kill them?  Well, we have no common sense as a nation.\n\nAlso with doctors making upto $10K a day it is a very profitable industry.
767266
That is true. For this is reason is why the Catholic Church is agaisnt IVF, they encouraged adoption. You're not gonna receive an honest answer because most people while they abhor abortion they think IVF is wonderful (forgetting that many embryos are destroyed in the process after the woman is pregnant).  Yet, many pro-lifers used IVF when they can't conceive instead of adopting. This shows the hypocrisy of the people at the highest level.
379708
I think all of that is hogwash. I'm an advocate for abortion if it's for the right reasons. Do you remember anything about being concieved, or do you remember anything about being a fetus, because I sure don't. It's "preventing" life, not killing it. And i'll take that in a second, rather than another crackbaby born into a dysfunctional family with a miserable life ahead of it.
362370
Unborn babies are babies nonetheless, and human. The silly justifications people try to come up with for abortion and abortion itself disgust me. The fetus IS human - firstly considering that he/she has the DNA makeup of a human being. The embryo/fetus does not go through different stages in "evolution," a concept that was shown to be a hoax perpetuated by Haeckel.\n\nWhen you have an abortion, you're killing someone. Why do you think would-be mothers find themselves in great distress, as though they just killed their 2 years old boy? Frankly, killing a person while s/he is in the fetal stage of human development is no different from killing that person at 2 years of age. Oh, and the baby isn't part of the mother, technically - considering that the baby has to secrete enzymes that prevent the mother's own body from attacking the baby. The baby is essentially a parasite as far as the mother's body is concerned, so it's not part of the mother's body. It isn't like removing a limb, it's like heartlessly killing a baby in its crib.\n\nAs a former fetus, I support life. I don't support pro-murder.
51012
wow, i'm really surprised at all the abortion-is-murder stuff here.  a human embryo is a microscopic clot of cells and is hardly even visible to the naked eye, much less a fully-developed organism, for many months into a pregnancy.\n\nit's difficult to draw a line in the sand and say "this is when life begins" but i have a hard time agreeing with the notion that something qualifies as a person if it is just a little clump of cells without organs or specialized tissue of any kind, that is entirely dependent on its host for absolutely every function of life there is (except for cellular division).\n\nobviously, that little clump of cells represents a potential to become a human life, and it may be wrong to prevent that potential from being realized, but it is hardly as cut-and-dried as "this is MURDER."\n\nto answer the question, i think the answer depends on your own personal ethics.  lots of people feel that it is wrong to get an abortion because you just don't feel like having a baby.  people have an objection to doing such a serious thing for reasons that are frivolous.  lots of people say "well, you went out and had the fun part of having sex, and now you should have to bear the responsibility that comes with it.  it's not right to get an abortion every time you get knocked up because you had a one-night stand."\n\non the other hand, when someone is raped, a lot of people's objections to abortion end there, because it was not an irresponsible decision by the mother.  she had the act forced on her in a traumatizing, violent and demeaning way and it can scar her for life, and it is bad enough that it happened to her - she shouldn't also have to spend the next 20 years trapped into raising a baby she never asked for and that constantly serves as a reminder of her humiliating experience.\n\nof course, all of this is deeply personal and everyone will have different opinions about it.  also, a lot of people who say that "no, nothing justifies abortion" probably have never been faced with such a difficult decision, and if THEY were in the same situation, their moral indignation and black-and-white absolutism would probably evaporate pretty quickly.
172298
Have you not seen the reactions of fetuses in the womb? I have no doubt as to life beginning at conception anymore.\n\nLegally though, it is hard to say. I do not believe there is anything legally stating the actual "beginning" of life.
997391
I can see that you will not accept anyone's opinion but your own, but I will give it my best shot to try to explain the answer to what you have asked.\nJust because someone does not believe abortion should be legal, it does not mean that their answer is based in religion ,although the most powerful arguments against abortion is found in a religious view.  However there is also a Scientific explination. It is a fact that a child is a real human being from the moment of conception. They have everything, including their own blood type separate from the mother's. They have their own special DNA just like you and me, not connected with the mother's, which will make them the unique person they are, starting from coception until the end of the existence of their body. Everything about these tiny people, their gender, their eye color, the color of their skin, and hair, has already been predermined in the genes they have been given from coception,  At only 2 weeks into their life as a human in the fetus stage of developement, the unborn child has fingers and toes, and sucks his or her thumb, and has a real heartbeat that the obstetrician can detect with a stethascope. All of these facts have been determined scientifically. So, you mean to tell me that the unborn child is not human? What is it then, and at what exact moment did it evolve into human? Could it be feline, or insect, or alien at conception, and then at at a certain point just all of a sudden it becomes human?  Anyone with a brain would know that is totally rediculous. \n Unfortunately the unborn human child"s inalienable right to life under the constitution of the United States is denied to these the smallest and weakest of our race just because they still need the protection of their mother's womb until they have grown big enough and strong enough to  live outside of it. This violation of human rights is called Abortion. I also say it is discrimination based on their place of origin, that is living inside instead of outside their mother's body. Hey, even you began your life that way. Are you such a hypocrite that you would condem all human beings who are starting out life in the same way you did?  So, millions of these vulnerable human beings have their lives exterminated before they are even born, just because they are not yet among the strongest of our race. Does that not smack at all of Nazi Germany? In Auswitch the unwated people were sent to the ovens and gas showers to die a terrible death. In the Abortion mills the unwanted children are brutally murdered in their mother's wombs. \nI will explain how brutal. Most people don't realize the abortion process. One method is to inject a saline solution into the mother's  womb. The baby is burned alive and is delivered dead with it's skin burned off. This method of abortion is usually done in the last trimester of the pregnancy, so it looks like a normal infant except dead and completely red all over.\nAnother method of abortion is where the doctor puts a sharp  blade into the opening of the uterus and literally slices the baby into pieces. Then he vacumes out all the pieces of arms and legs and skull, etc. into a bucket; and afterward someone has to put all the pieces back together so as to be sure that none are left inside the mother which could cause her severe problems later if not done properly. When the pieces are put back together they look like a human baby (except very bloody), even though this method is usually done in the first two trimester stages of pregnancy. \nThe absolute worst and cruelest of the abortion methods is what is called "Partial Birth Abortion" (It should be called "Partial Birth Infanticide.") It is always done in the last month of pregnancy when the baby is full term and about to be born anyway. First the abotionist gives the woman a shot to induce birth. Then when the baby's head comes out, he sticks a pair of scissors into the b
847300
You have logic in your argument, and it makes complete sense.  People just want a reason to justify not having to deal with a baby, because they wanted to have sex more.  People need to speak up for, and fight for those that cannot fight for their own lives.  Unborn humans, which if left alone, will grow to become like you and I, did not ask to be made or born, but have the right to life like you and I.  I will always fight for them, and speak up.  There are little souls in there, and people don't realize how totally serious it is to stop a beating heart.
362600
because u need special cells for thet called germ cells. these cells present in foetus and help in develoing organs when it is in womb. besides that its not as easy. it will need lots of research work to do so.
482657
They believe the life begins at conception and no reason is good enough to murder a child. I always found it funny that those same conservative people are the same ones who are all for the death penalty. It OK to murder a grown person if they are found guilty in the court of law weather they are truly guilty or not but it is not OK to destroy a cluster of cells the will eventually turn into a human.
137849
They should since all persons in the jurisdiction of the USA are supposed enjoy equal protection under the law according to the 14th Ammendment (read the last part). Pro-choicers dispute whether or not preborn human beings are persons, but in most dictionaries I have looked at, the first definition of 'person' is 'human, individual'. According to biology texts, preborn homo sapiens (human beings) are defined as "individuals' even though they are in utero (in their mother's uterus) and even if they are a single celled zygote. In my embryology text "A zygote is the beginning of a new human being" The pre-born human being is a person.
852944
I think you're on the right track here in pointing out the hypocrisy of the "personal freedom" argument that baby killers use. How is killing an unborn child in support of the CHILD'S freedom? They always come back with "but it's not a child, it's a clump of cells". That's all they have, but I think they do know better in their hearts. They're just in denial, which is really sad.\n\nBTW, it is also not hypocrisy to be anti-abortion but pro-death penalty. Those folks who believe this are making the distinction between the taking of innocent life vs. taking the life of a person guilty of the heinous crime of murder. However, I personally do not support the death penalty either in ANY case. All people were put on earth for a reason and it should be left up to God to work his magic in their lives and help them come to see why their actions were wrong and change their hearts. They should be put in jail for life simply to protect the public from them in case they never change.\n\nEuthanasia is wrong as well. Those who are not inside a person's head to know for sure what they are thinking and what their wishes are should not make a decision to actively or passively take a person's life. Who are they to make the judgment that this person's life is no longer worth living?\n\nAnyway, I like that you are standing up for what you believe in. It's important that we all do that, no matter how persecuted we are by those who would silence us.
30676
Does anything really justify abortion?\n\nTo Pro-Choicers : Of course it does. A woman's body, a woman's choice.\n\nIn my opinion, no. It's a baby whether it was conceived 'in love,' by accident, or by rape. Them's the breaks. Life isn't fair, and it's terrible that the woman was raped, but the child shouldn't be punished for it.\n\nIt you actually meant rap...no.