What do you think of the government's plans for and ID card scheme?
955740
IT IS NOT SECURE, The technology it will be based on has been cracked ALREADY!\n\nIt will FAIL in it's intended purpose, cost a FORTUNE and not work!\n\nApart from the very valid civil liberty concerns (completely reversing the relationship between citizen and state making the state the master and the citizen a tagged serf), and the idea that this means that for the first time all innocent citizens will be in effect asking for the state's permission to exist in their own country. tagged, tracked, monitored, spied on at all times. \n\nThis is a chilling trend, Government becoming more and more secretive whilst expecting the electorate to be ever more open to intrusive privacy destroying spying from the state. \n\nExcuse me big brother state, but what I do, and who I am, and where I go, so long as it is all legal, IS NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!!!\n\nBut even allowing for those arguments, the technology will not work and it will be a massively expensive, unethical, immoral failure.\n\nRead the news story below. It cannot work to stop crime as it has already been hacked!\n\nBTW to the ignorant and dangerously stupid woman who anwered above stating that any action that stops even 1 crime is worth it??? Hand yourself in to the police now, it may stop you commiting a crime! Would you approve of the police locking up everyone, as if we were all in prison already, we would not be able to commit a crime at all?
811918
I'll join you bud. \nI've still not heard of a valid reason for having them. Stopping crime? Will it hell. And it'll spawn a whole new world of fraud with people making fake ones. Stop illegal immigration? They'll just buy one from Camden Market. \nAll I can think of is the safety in numbers...like the poll tax. www.no2id.net is a good place to start.
965128
i think you are correct and it is getting to that point, the police in my opinion have way to much leeway!! the other day, i was in a car with my friend who was speeding, she got pulled over and the officer wanted my ID also!!! why, i was not driving the car, i did not break the law at all, yet if i don't turn over my ID i can go to jail for failure to provide ID. this is terrible and i feel it is not right.
99577
Think about it.\n\nTo have an I.D. card means SOMEONE has your name and information in a data base.  That data can be available to almost anyone and you wouldn't know it or even be sure that information is safe.\n\nThe more electronic the world gets (data storage, etc I mean) the less privacy we all have.\n\nGeorge Orwell's "1984" was a bit of an exageration, but not by much.
835137
They are a complete waste of taxpayers' money and will do nothing to prevent crime, terrorism or illegal immigration.\n\nThe terrorists who crashed planes on 11 September all had valid IDs and passports as did the Madrid bombers.\n\nIf ID cards stopped crime, terrorism and illegal immigration then there would be none in countries with ID cards like Sweden, Portugal, Spain..........
978047
I was on a forum a little while ago and a guy on there had a pretty decent plan.  So I will pass it on.  First . Close the borders for good.  ( I don't think that is possible)  2.   All illegals in the penal system would be deported immediately. ( that is an excellent idea)  3.  All undocumented workers would have 6 months to study and get their citizenships, or get deported as well. ( ah, i am still not sure absorbing all of them would be good for the country, but I think it's good mid ground).  4, after the 6 months any company still employing Illegals get fined 100,000 a day. (Love that).
948053
No, but bring government issued photo ID, like a driver's license.
931737
OK, why not create a law to create a national drivers license.  We need the law because a standard drivers license will make the country more secure against terrorists.  Many of the 9-11 terrorists had drivers licenses they would not have been able to obtain under the stringent requirements you're putting in your bill.  The bill requires proof of citizenship, at least a minimal skill with the English language, and proof of address.  The licenses will be granted and regulated by the Department of Homeland Security.  The program will be funded by the fees paid by the drivers, so it will not need tax revenues.  It will actually remove a burden from the states.
899643
i hope we dont have to carry id cards it will be a waste of time and money as you will all ways get nhs service in this country its only big brother that wants us to have id cards so the bastards can see what we do etc
715900
I have a real concern about this.  It is hard to believe this got through by attaching it to a Military spending bill.  I don't like the parallels it runs to the Biblical "Mark"\nWithout this National ID, you won't... \nDrive your car \nBoard a plane, train, or bus \nEnter any federal building \nOpen a bank account \nHold a job \nIf you can’t hold a job or have a bank account, how much buying and selling will you be able to do?
203769
It started due to the 11 million illegal insurgents in the country and more coming in each day. I too hope it does not pass AS WRITTEN due it does not include our President's\nidea for a national non-forge-able ID card for illegals along with some kind of work program (for those interested in working and not sucking on the welfare teat or doing drugs and gang crime) but I do not believe in amnesty for those that have violated our laws and our country's sovereignty.
1022822
Many other countries already have them and they work very well for some things and not so hot for others.  They will help track people from one central database.  Using your SS card is a big mistake since it is tied to credit reporting and social security benefits.  A new and unique numbering system needs to be created.  Also, the SS card does not have identification components such a as pictures of fingerprints, which a national ID card should.  \n\nLet's be honest though, there will never be a thing as a "unforgable" id card.  It's supply and demand, someone will start working of fake ones the minutes someone else is willing to pay for it.  But we can make them as hard as possible to fake.
960919
Well, I would think banks want your drivers license as a form of ID, but Im pretty sure if you asked a bank, you could use your passport as a form of ID
930618
ROBBED.\n\nYou can no longer go anywhere on public transportation without the government knowing where you went. That is just one more way of tracking our movements. \nIF a government was intending to crack down on its citizens the first thing it must do is know who is communicating with whom. They can do that now with the travel information and they have finally admitted there were wire taps and email monitoring WITHOUT court permission. This is how it starts and once a government gets a taste of the power of controlling its people it will never go back to total freedom.\nSoon they will try to convince us not to use cash, but to do everything with electronic cards.  WHY? Because that way they can know where your money is. You can't mount a rebellion against a corrupt and oppressive government without money. AND you can be locked up and never see a judge or lawyer if the the government declares you are an enemy of the country.....
119845
Yes otherwise anyone could steal checks and use them as their own. If they don't ask to see your id then I would complain to someone higher up. Theres way to many people trying to steal identities these days.
1050645
It's not a matter of not knowing, it's not being interested. I, personally, tracked down the person who stole my identity to obtain all kinds of consumer goods and even surgery using my information and nobody pursued it at all. Since then, I've met at least ten people whose identities have been stolen by illegal immigrants or people with ties to terrorists and they all had the same experience with the police not even caring to make a report or follow through. Our information is being stolen with a blind-eye approval from the government.
313912
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/160905resistid.htm\n\nWhy You Should Resist the National ID Card-\n\n The introduction of the national ID card is one step further towards the mandatory implantation of ID chips in all British citizens. Does this sound outlandish? Implantable chip technology has been in existence for a decade and discussions on ID chipping humans is in the news regularly. Tommy Thompson, the former Health and Human Services Secretary in the Bush administration, had a chip implanted and is now touring the country lauding the virtues of ID chips. During the the confirmation hearings for John Roberts Jr., George W. Bush's nominee for Supreme Court chief justice, Roberts was questioned by Senator Joseph R. Biden on whether he would rule against a mandatory implantable microchip to track American citizens.