What is the cost of a free country?  Why do we care about illegals or those on the hill betraying us?
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Or as Thomas Paine said, We shall only remain the Land of the Free so long as we are also the Home of the Brave.\n\nI see I read your post differently than others did.  I assumed you were speaking of how the government is betraying us by not protecting our services and our rights against imposition through illegal immigration.
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viper_najem-I AGREE The Asker IS An EGOTISTIC Loser\n\nbanana_bean01 Asked 2 Of The BEST Questions Ive EVER Seen Posted In ANY Of These Forums\n\nteresa-I WISH More People Would Understand The Underlying Economics As You See Them Because The Issue IS NATIONAL ECONOMICS NOT RACE\n\nJust Cause Life In MEX. And Some Other Countries "SUCKS"\nDont Give Someone A RIGHT To Be In This Nation\n\nAnd I Know That Pres.Fox Is CORRUPT But THAT\nDont Give Someone A RIGHT To Be In This Nation\n\nAnd Just Cause You Dont Have A Criminal Record\nDont Give Someone A RIGHT To Be In This Nation\n\nThis Is A NATION With LAWS-THAT IS The REALITY\nThis NATION Of LAWS Has BORDERS\nIt Dont MATTER HOW It Got To Be That Way\nTHAT Is The Way It Is\nThe INDIANs, The BUFFALOs, The WARs, The ESKIMOEs,\nIT DONT MATTER-Thats The WAY It IS\n\nYou Have The RIGHT To Be Here If \n1:You Were BORN Here\n2:You Take The Basic Nessesary Steps To Apply For A VISA And Then CITIZENSHIP And Are APPROVED\nTHAT Is The LAW In THIS NATION\nIF EITHER 1 or 2 Of The ABOVE Are In Fact TRUE\nThen You Are A CITIZEN Of This Nation\nAnd You Have A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT To Be Here\n\nTHATS IT-THATS ALL-There Are NO More Arguements About The RIGHT To Be Here In This NATION Of LAWS\n\nILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS Have No Constitutional Rights\n\nYou CANNOT "STEAL" The RIGHT To Be Here As You CANNOT STEAL ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS\nIf You DO, You Are A FELON\nYouve BROKEN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS\nIf You VIOLATE The FEDERAL LAWS Of A NATION, You Are A CRIMINAL\n\nIts THAT SIMPLE \nIf You Break Into A House To Steal Property, That Is An ILLEGAL ACTION, With A PENALTY If You Are Caught \nIf You SNEAK Across The BORDER Of A NATION To STEAL The RIGHT To Be There, That Is An ILLEGAL ACTION, With A PENALTY If You Are Caught\n\nILLEGAL ALIENS in America are here only because they are GUILTY of CRIMINAL VIOLATION of our FEDERAL LAWS, Jumping our borders and living in a shadowy underground economy. They are morally culpable for shoving aside those who adhere to the law and enter these United States in orderly and Legal Fashion. Since when do criminals and cheaters receive pride of place for the blessings of liberty, over those honestly, earnestly and faithfully seeking to become American citizens? \n\nPresident Bush has called for a reasonable and civil debate over the issues of border security and immigration reform. But the American people understand there can be no responsible immigration reform UNTIL OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE. “Guest worker” amnesty programs ARE NOT a part of border security. Amnesty is not the answer. To grant amnesty to these trespassers is to say "You crossed our borders ILLEGALLY, You BROKE OUR LAWS and now we are REWARDING you with U.S. Citizenship -- Congratulations!" \n\nThis is unacceptable. \n\n\nWe cannot allow illegals to remain in this country because it sends the very clear message to anyone from any country: \nGo ahead and enter the U.S. illegally. Nothing will be done to you. \nThe stupid Americans will pay to feed you, clothe you, educate your kids and pay for your medical care\nwhile they themselves are forced to go without because they can't afford health insurance because their tax dollars are paying for you! \nHa, Ha! Go ahead and enter the U.S. illegally If you're a terrorist, no problem, go ahead and build your cells, blow up buildings and schools.\nNothing will happen because American politicians are too cowardly to repel this invasion and deport the millions of \nillegals aready here while the illegals rub their lawlessness in our faces.\n\nAFRAID???-AFRAID???-NO< Im NOT AFRAD-IM PI$$ED\n\nIM MAD AS HELL-And IM NOT GONNA TAKE THIS $HIT \n\nYou Wish To Become AMERICANS With The RIGHTS Of AMERICANS .. \nYet Many Of You REFUSE To SPEAK My/Our LANGUAGE \nAnd REFUSE To Honor My/Our Flag \nWell I REFUSE To Let YOU Continue To Burden My Pocket \nAnd The Pockets Of My "PROUD TO BE AMERICAN" BROTHERS \nOf ANY DESCENT\n\nY
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Don't sweat the idiots hon...  NO ONE in this country understands poverty that grave and that kind of desperation is foreign to the people who say such things...\n\nI'd feel bad for this country if anything were ever to happen that we couldn't get ourselves out of... (I'd be on my way to Japan personally)   and being that there are madmen with weapons all over right now...  I'd think rather than yap.  Never know how life is going to go.  If we were ever on the balls of our asses...  I would imagine Mexico would be a country we would go to for help in fighting?  \n\nPeople go nuts when we have gas shortages, can you actually imagine any american (one having known nothing but a lifetime of privlidge and freedom) having to revert back to their more primal human structures? It would be laughable to see how a good golf game works in with having to get dirty and defend your country...\n\n Most americans can't even plant a garden, or filter water or do very much of anything needed to survive in case of a war or an emergency.  We are all interdependent and trust the government exclusively to keep us in our decadence and our luxury.  Therefore we have no right to judge another country that lacks that kind of government support.  It is not the common working Mexican citizens fault that they are oppressed to such an extreme.  We should be happy to help them considering.  \n\n"To whom much is given,  much is required..."  The Bible\n\nWhen people talk, and observe and live closer  to what they only otherwise judge from distances.  Then they come to understand.  We need more social experimentation like the guy that does those 30-days shows and less accusation and blame.  \n\nPersonally...  I woud love to see the rich fall a notch or two.  It would be rather interesting to even things out again like in the crash in the 40's.  Im certain it was the rich that jumped out windows when the market fell...  The poor just sucked in their guts, tightened their belts, adjusted  and hustled... they were used to it.\n\nPeople have got to remember...  Not all citizens ancestors came through legal channels and if the country was so very concerned with border patrol, they would have more policing along the coast of Oregon and California...  There is 1 border officer for the ENTIRE state of Oregon!  \n\nIt is rediculous all around.
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ILLEGAL ALIENS in America are here only because they are GUILTY of CRIMINAL VIOLATION  of our FEDERAL LAWS, Jumping our borders and living in a shadowy underground economy. They are morally culpable for shoving aside those who adhere to the law and enter these United States in orderly and Legal Fashion. \nSince when do criminals and cheaters receive pride of place for the blessings of liberty, over those honestly, earnestly and faithfully seeking to become American citizens? \n\nPresident Bush has called for a reasonable and civil debate over the issues of border security and immigration reform. But the American people understand there can be no responsible immigration reform UNTIL OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE. “Guest worker” amnesty programs ARE NOT a part of border security. \nAmnesty is not the answer. To grant amnesty to these trespassers is to say "You crossed our borders ILLEGALLY, You BROKE OUR LAWS and now we are REWARDING you with U.S. Citizenship -- Congratulations!" \n\nThis is unacceptable.
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I agree with everything you said.  The USA is the "home of the free" but everything isn't free. . .to anyone!  Rather than immigrating to the USA, why not change things in Mexico to be more like the USA if it is so desirable! We've always welcomed foreigners who adhere to our laws and become legal citizens.
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to keep us from talking about the WAR.... and also the problems you mention!!!!\n\nit's easier to scapegoat illegal immigrants for all the problems in this country then face the real issues eroding our nation because then we would have to truly examine our own lifestyles and belief systems....
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We have to try to empathize with those that are simply trying to make a living for themselves and their families. We need to be understanding and humane when dealing with a population at finds itself in a situation where it must break our laws to better their own situations. \n\nWell, then what about the poor young man who grows up in the inner city? All that he knows is the drug culture. He has no marketable skills as a result of an Education System that has FAILED him.(OVERCROWDED SCHOOLS) He spends every day immersed in a culture of drugs and violence, to the point that that is the only life that he knows. He finds himself with a family to support and no way to support it.(CANT FIND A JOB Cause ALL The Jobs Available To Unskilled Workers Are Taken By ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS) The only alternative for him is to resort to breaking our laws. He must deal drugs just to get by. \n\nShouldn't we take a "humane" and "comprehensive" approach to dealing with this type of criminal, as well? After all, he is only breaking our laws because he feels that he must do so in order to make a living. He wouldn’t be able to sell drugs if there wasn't such a huge market for his poison in the United States. Individuals that turn to dealing drugs are many times just as desperate as those that brave unbelievable conditions to enter this country ILLEGALLY. In fact, I would argue that a drug dealer braves even MORE Real and Serious Dangers than ILLEGAL Immigrants who can’t seem to take the basic steps to enter this country LEGALLY. \n\nILLEGAL ALIENS in America are here only because they are GUILTY of CRIMINAL VIOLATION  of our FEDERAL LAWS, Jumping our borders and living in a shadowy underground economy. They are morally culpable for shoving aside those who adhere to the law and enter these United States in orderly and Legal Fashion. Since when do criminals and cheaters receive pride of place for the blessings of liberty, over those honestly, earnestly and faithfully seeking to become American citizens? \n\nPresident Bush has called for a reasonable and civil debate over the issues of border security and immigration reform. But the American people understand there can be no responsible immigration reform UNTIL OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE. “Guest worker” amnesty programs ARE NOT a part of border security. Amnesty is not the answer. To grant amnesty to these trespassers is to say "You crossed our borders ILLEGALLY, You BROKE OUR LAWS and now we are REWARDING you with U.S. Citizenship -- Congratulations!" \n\nThis is unacceptable. \n\nAll of this is to illustrate the absurdity of a "comprehensive" approach to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS , and the more radical of the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT  advocates who are proponents of an "open borders" policy. We don't take a comprehensive, humane approach with drug dealers because they are breaking our laws and causing great damage to this country by poisoning our children. Similarly, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS  violate our laws and Poison our system of Economics by TAKING JOBS  from American Workers, Keeping WAGES ARTIFICIALLY LOW, and Sucking MILLIONS of Dollars of TAXPAYERS MONEY out of our Welfare and Medical Systems. \nNot To Mention The Fact That A Majority Of ILLEGAL ALIENS Live And Work In This Country And Then Send Their Money Back Home To Their Families (Whatever Nation Their Families Live In) Therefore DRAINING The Economy Even Further. \nWhen The US Dollar Leaves The US... Its GONE From The American Economy. \n\n\n\n\nSEE MY BLOG\n\nhttp://360.yahoo.com/profile-PMRb1p42aacMueZmc_FaRn89U4XQsyz9cyAO\n\nI Appreciate The ADVERTISIN Space Cher  :)>-\n\nDBA_GREGG(Below)WAKE Up Man...PAY ATTENTION\n***Obviously A VICTIM Of The Overcrowded School System***
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Wow, who doesn't it effect?  The ONLY people who say it doesn't effect them are the ones who use the ILLEGALS for their own benefits.  Sure some people say that without the ILLEGALS our produce price would sky rocket.  Our lawn's what would become of them?  Wow that's pretty laughable that we can't even take care of our own property now a days.  Oh ya, what about our houses, who would clean them?  Of course we surely can't do that ourselves and on and on and on.  Sure people like Geraldo says that we will be paying $10.00 for an avocado (and I thought he had some intelligence) but the truth is that people want to use scare ta tics that aren't intelligent, let alone true.  The truth is that our houses would still be clean and our grass cut and on and on and on.  Sure some of our products would go up a bit but....... Our TAXES would go DOWN, Our EDUCATION SYSTEM would be BETTER OFF, Our HOSPITAL BILLS would go down and the care of the people would go UP, Our INSURANCE PREMIUMS would go down on ALL levels.  In reality, REAL US CITIZENS would save BILLIONS without all of the ILLEGAL ALIENS in OUR COUNTRY. Just think about it, we could buy a whole lot of those $10.00 a piece avocado's!
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We allow all people into our country to go to our schools, to use our resources and then it is used against us in acts of terror. We can no longer accommodate the strains on healthcare and our eductional system by allowing unrestrained immigrants into our country. Granted we fought for it and it once belonged to Mexico, but they haven't turned it into what it is today, the U.S.A. If left to them it would be just like Mexico, almost a third world country. It is time to think of our citizens and our safety instead of trying to be altruistic to those that drain our resources and are a threat to our safety. VOTE YES ON BORDER FENCES! IT IS TIME, HOW MANY MORE 9/11's do we have to have?\n\nHouseholds headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.\n \n\n\nAmong the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).\n \n\n\nWith nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
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According to TNRIP, the financial cost of this foreign invasion to U.S. taxpayers is staggering! Here is a break down of the annual costs: \n\nEducation: $22.5 billion \nBi-lingual Education: $3.3 billion \nAFDC: $2.4 billion \nSSI: $2.9 billion \nSocial Security: $24.8 billion \nHousing Assistance: $2.6 billion \nCriminal Justice: $2.6 billion \nJobs Lost by Americans: $10.8 billion \nOther Programs: $51.4 billion \nFood Stamps: $7 billion \nHealth Care: $1.4 billion (That Totals $131.7 BILLION Annually Folks)\n\nIf we can afford stupid specialty coins minted for each state in the USA. We can afford to secure our boarders, enforce immigration laws, and deport ILLEGAL immigrants.\n\n300 million Americans.\nEstimated 20 million + ILLegal immigrants\nestimate of ILLEGAL immigrant children in America 30 million\n\nIf Amnesty is given. each ILLEGAL immigrant then has the right to bring family over.\nEstimating 2 family members brought per person here 100 million in on year's time.\n\nGive or take more Illegals that may sneek in figuring they can get away with it too. As well as the immigrants we approve to come in that leaves us with a grand total of:\nAmerican population skyrockets to 450 million in one year.......\n\nA population increase of such magnitude, no other country or part of the world as we know it, has ever indured in history. \n\nIt's not rocket science. This is why there are controls on immigration into the country, and limits per year. The country has to survive the influk.It must be able to absord and provide for the influk. While maintianing economic stability. Which means and no job loss, housing loss, no resources loss, no sharp price inflations,or loss to the basic way of life of American's.\n\nRequiring economic stability no country or part of the world has at this time in our history. With legalization in those numbers we have a two fold obligation to remember. A right to a better life for every American new and old. \n\nWe have to be wise enough to protect tommorrow. So that we still have oportunity and a better way of life to offer immigrants who come here. We have to do that one by one.\n\nTruely what this issue comes down to is those who want it decided on emotionial reasoning, and those who see that no matter how upleasant, it must be looked at from a logical viewpoint in order for us all to survive. \n\n\nThere is a march going on right now with one man, heading to the White house carrying our signatures for a secure boarder to preserve our rights.\n\nMinutemans Walk Across America\n\nHe's on his way folks, they are taking signatures online, and will send them to him in DC. He will then personaly hand them over to Congress and the President. Please sign the petion before he arrives. He is making stops all over the USA on his way. But, he can not make it everywhere so sign online.\n\nhttp://www.minutemanhq.com/pet_hr1986/
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Because illegal immigration (I'll assume that's what you mean) is a big deal. So what if the minimum wage got raised? Illegal immigrants cost us billions of dollars. And if you are aiding and abetting an illegal immigrant, it is a crime, so you can be arrested.
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I think the questioner was simply trying to get us to think about how much we pay out each year to have medical insurance, and car insurance, and whatever other kind of insurance because we are responsible citizens, while illegal aliens by their very illegal status don't have any insurance, and WE the tax paying, insurance holding citizens MUST pay for them when they use any " free" health service. Yes it's free to them, but it's we the legal tax payers who end up paying for it.
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It's already being hurt by this lousy economy so much that it won't matter anyway.\n\nIllegals draw welfare by stealing people's social security numbers and identities. That means there are a lot of people being directly hurt by these people as well. Innocent people are having their credit ratings ruined, having IRS problems, and social security problems. If someone who has had their social security number stolen gets married, if either spouse dies or become disabled then they can be denied their benefits. \n\nMy family moved to the US before WWII. Those of my family that didn't make it over got killed by the death camps. Our family assimilated to the American culture. We didn't expect the Americans to change to suit us. The illegal immigrants from Mexico are not civilized like that.\n\nThey not only changed the National Anthem to Spanish, they changed the words. They already burn our flag and hang our flag upside down. They waved the Mexican flag during a lot of their protests. Some schools have stopped hanging the American flag and forbidden students from wearing clothes with any part of the American flag on their clothing all to keep from offending the Mexicans. It's nothing short of an attack of our country, not only by the illegal aliens, but those who seek to appease them. \n\nI am tired of the stereotype that Americans wouldn't do the work that illegals do. Illegals do all kinds of jobs for less than minimum wage which drives the wages down for U.S. citizens. Construction jobs are an example. There are lots of illegals doing construction jobs that Americans used to do because the companies can keep more of the profits if they pay less for the workers. All that does is make companies wealthier and Americans poorer. Illegals are stealing jobs that Americans have done for years.
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It is sad, but in reality they are being attracted for a reason. Nobody forces the government to give them money and assistance. Illegal aliens do not make US laws and policy. Also, the businesses that hire them are never punished adequately. As far as legal entry, the costs are exorbant and the process takes years. It easy to see why someone would take the easy route.
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Here's what they "contribute"!!\nIllegal immigration is against the LAW. Legal immigration is OKAY. We would be SAVING tax dollars by sending them back. Here's what they cost us (the USA) ANNUALLY:\n\nEducation: $22.5 billion \nBi-lingual Education: $3.3 billion \nAFDC: $2.4 billion \nSSI: $2.9 billion \nSocial Security: $24.8 billion \nHousing Assistance: $2.6 billion \nCriminal Justice: $2.6 billion \nJobs Lost by Americans: $10.8 billion \nOther Programs: $51.4 billion \nFood Stamps: $7 billion \nHealth Care: $1.4 billion \n(That Totals $131.7 BILLION Annually) $131.7 "BILLION"!!ANNUALLY!!\n\nThe USA would be better off WITHOUT the freeloaders!! USA citizens CAN, HAVE and WILL do the jobs they think we won't do. We don't do them because their employers get THEM for slave wages. When the illegal immigrants go back to their country, the employers will be forced to PAY the US American citizen a better wage for that job. If we have to pay a little more for veggies that will be okay, we'll have more income and will be putting that income BACK into the USA economy. The illegal immigrants make low wages, get welfare and send money back to their families in their home countries, not back into the USA economy.
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NO! Because we cannot afford a huge flood of immigrants into this country, our social structure cant bear it.  Plus, then you are allowing everyone in- I dont know about you, but Id prefer Mexico keep their child molestors and murderers, we have enough up here already.  Are the schools in your area empty?  Are they complaining about having too much money?  I know mine are filled to the max, so an uncontrolled flood of illegals filling the place up faster than we can build new schools would not be a good thing.  Are the jails empty and your cops having nothing to do in your area?  Not the case where I live.  Are the roads empty where you live?  Not where I live, I dont know if they can bear thousands of new cars on the road, as you flood us with illegals.  Are your health care costs Low?  Is it easy to find a Dr. in your area?  By adding millions of uninsured illegals to our system, do you think your costs would go down or up (duh-up of course!)? Etc Etc.  Legal immigration allows for non-criminal, educated people, who actually want to be come productive citizens to come to the US in a controlled manner.  Legal immigration is great.  Illegal immigration is horrible for the US and for all the legal citizens (both immigrants and natural born).  Learn the facts of this problem before spouting off about how our government is "being mean".
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Don't worry...it will all be OK.  Everything will cost us nothing because millions of illegals are sneaking into the country, taking low-wage jobs that nobody even wants, paying no taxes, using our infrastructure, etc.\n\nThis means that you won't need any money because everything will be free.  For example, gas is now $3 a gallon and a house costs $500k.  See?  Everything just gets cheaper and cheaper!