Israel claims to be a western democracy after killing innocents, do you agree?
956663
oh please. I'm so tired of "Israel defending herself" as opposed to "Palestine defending herself." They've been fighting for decades! They'll be fighting for decades to come. Israel claims they were given the "Promised Land" which just so happens to be land that the Palestinians inhabit. I'm tired of all of this Promised Land" nonsense just as I am tired of hearing about the so-called "Chosen People"..ALL of God's children are Chosen. All of them. Not just Jews! How do we know the land was promised anyway? Were there other "promises" made AFTER this so-called promise? I just read an article which said that 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. The same article said that 6 million OR MORE other people were killed also (other "undesirables, who WERE NOT Jewish!)\nyet we never hear about them. I used to feel a lot of sympathy for Jews. Now I don't. They are NOT the only people who have undergone horrors! \nAnd they are not a democracy. \nThey don't know who they are.
310100
that its the biggest democracy in the world. It was the only country through out history that did not persacute its Jewish minorety, and that speaks allot to the west.
243488
I am Jordanian,, and I live in my beloved country,, to some extends and comparing with other countries in the middle east, yes Jordan is a democratic country:)
80779
The USA doesn't support Israel in killing of palestians.  However, it does recognize that Israel is under constant terrorist attacks from Hamas, Hezzbalah and other terrorist organizations and Israel has a right to defend itself.  As part of defense, Israel targets known terrorists or those that are harboring terrorists.  Except for the countries that are aiding the terrorists (Syria, Lebanon, Iran, etc) no country has a problem with targeted assassinations.
386601
The west should NOT assist any country that is not democratic..period!!!  When Iran turns their nukes toward Israel …..WE will be the first to throw our men and women into harms way!!  And WHY!?  Does someone have the answer to that?  Why should we throw our people into another war in the middle east? For who? For a country that would just as soon through us to the freekin dogs when we no longer are necessary to meet any of their needs???\n\nFor instance Benjamin Natanyahu said…” the cause of the attacks on the United States was a cause of it’s own”  …. Sounds like someone you’d want as an ally now doesn’t it??
708445
dstr you are so lost in false reality I'm surprised you can find the can in the morning.  You think its okay to allow a verifiable nut ball that wants to kill all Jews, wipe out Israel and bring forth Armageddon the same rights as the United states.  Is the idea of sovereign state that foreign to you?  News flash.... there are such thing as real bad people even though you think that it is only republicans.
919091
To see Israel as an innocent attempting to live peacefully in a neighbourhood of thugs requires intellectual dishonesty and to claim that the Israelis had their backs to the wall and were forced into the destruction, measured beyond all proportion, of property and human beings in Lebanon and Gaza requires the moral lassitude inherent in imperial civilization.\nHezbollah did not exist before the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon. The culprit then was the PLO, and then, as now, Israeli self-defence was the excuse behind a cynical attempt to destroy Palestinian nationalism and secure land for annexation in the West Bank. \nRecently, there were two daring attacks against military targets and Israeli soldiers were captured by Hamas and Hezbollah. These attacks happened because Israel and its patron refused to accept the results of the Palestinian election. \nOf course, before Hamas was elected, there was simply no partner for peace. Translation: There is no Palestinian leadership that will accept the injustice the Israelis want to impose.
887336
Yes..Honestly I Strongly agree with what You said. They are the real Terrorist, using War with some lame excuse and killing the innocent with saying that they have the rights to do so, what rights was applied? their own rights, to kill using the name of war and sounter-attack for the "attack" they received.\nIts definetely a fact of what they done but the U.S Government doesn't see it as an act of Terrorism because the Israelis are not a Muslim, they are the Jews. So using logical equation, as long as you are a Jew, you can kill, but if you a Muslim and you counter-attack, you are a terrorist.\n\nSame goes to the Iraq invasion, they were many stray bullets and missiles were shot to the civilians settlements by the U.S Army, they claimed to be highly trained with modern equipment (that shouldmt be having any mistakes, except for human error), yet they still say that the (Muslim) Iraqis were the terrorist, and up till now...WHERE is the W.M.D?? To cover-up their mistakes, they try to convict Saddam.
557214
Yep. I agree with you.  It is really hard for us to understand the Palestinian/Muslim culture.  Everything there is backwards, meaning opposite of what we consider forwards, or correct.  Of course, there are many people over there that say WE in the west are backwards, and they are forward.  But you and I both know that's rubbish. Every time within our nation's history that we went to war we used airplanes that were clearly marked with symbols and words identifying them as United States military craft.   Even when we used the atomic bomb on Japan we warned the nation through diplomacy and we warned the Japanese people days ahead of time with millions of leaflets from above.  Furthermore, the US aircraft involved were clearly marked as military craft, as well as the bombs themselves.  Likewise, every single time we have sent our soldiers to combat to kill the enemy or to walk amongst civilians we have sent them in wearing uniforms that bear the United States flag on their shoulders and clearly marked "US MARINES" or "US ARMY" on their chests.  The EXACT SAME can be said of the army of ISRAEL.  Like the West, the Israelis always transport themselves and present themselves in combat and in peacetime as clearly marked representatives of the government, as official military combatants.  That goes for every plane, every helicopter, every vehicle, and every soldier they use to combat the disgusting Palestinian pig that targets civilians like the coward he or she is.  You see the Palestinians marching down their own streets with weapons and banners and all that whenever they feel like rioting.  But let me ask you, when is the last time the Palestinian walked into combat with a banner?  NEVER.  They rid themselves of identification, sneak onto buses and into marketplaces and kill children and other innocents.  \n\nThe best thing the United States could ever do is to completely step out of the whole situation with Palestine and Israel.  Every single American president enters office with a new end-all plan for peace in the middle east, and it's just a fruitless effort because no matter how much Israel grants the Palestinian the pig still kills.  Several years ago Israel drew up a peace treaty in which Palestine would gain literally 99% of the land they always fought for, and Israel also proposed granting Palestine autonomy.  And the pigs rejected the offer.  THEY GOT WHAT THEY ALWAYS FOUGHT FOR AND DECIDED TO KEEP FIGHTING ANYWAY!! So any claims they had that they were resisiting Israel because of Israel's oppression is complete BULLS**T! Even now, every single day, even as I type this the Israeli military is removing Jews from their homes throughout villages in the Gaza stip in an effort to give Palestinians even MORE land and MORE autonomy.  Entire Jewish towns, where people have lived for decades, have been dismantled as a result of the Israeli government bowing to pressures from the US and other Allies in an attempt to please the Palestinian by giving him more land and more autonomy. Did you hear me?  JEWS were forced out of their homes by the Israeli government to please the Palestinian pig, And yet DAILY the terrorist groups in Palestine fire rockets into Jewish towns and blow up themselves on buses and near schools and restaurants to kill dozens of innocent children and their families.  What the hell are they fighting for?  They've gotten nearly everything they've ever asked for, yet they still kill innocents?!? Had it not been for the US holding Israel back all of these decades, the Israli Army would have wiped the terrorist in Palestine off the face of the earth.  Even if Israel were attacked by other Muslim nations, I have no doubt they would defeat them all completely in a number of days or weeks just as they did in the "6 Days War."  Had the US and other Western Nations stayed out of the political quarreling following that conflict, Israel would still today own completely
225073
arabs, palestines, are right. providing evidence huh?.. i just have a little story. after israel occupied palestine (we all know how that went) i red some months ago this article which said that mothers and children, in palestine, were going to the soko, that is.. market, to buy food because the israeles had allowed them to go out at that particular time, but it seems some soldiers weren't updated so they started to shoot them and killed many. i also recalled alledgendary "suicidal blowups terrorist boys" who said they were told by the israeli army to confess that just for political propaganda. israelis are commiting genoside and as far as i concern, it's not even their land -but of course, england and us always playing world judges- and that's the result. more than 20 children below twelve are murdered every day.. and no1 who does that could ever be right "they fight with tanks and M16s and we only have our bodies to blow up " said one terrorist woman. i think it pretty much sums it all up. love . dani
654456
it is a long story but here is the short end. back in ww2 the jews had decided they had enough of being persrcuted where ever they go. considering there was no such thing as the jewish nation. as you know the americans british and the french allied together to save the jews from the nazis. then popped in zionism. the british and the zionist banned together and took palestine. at the time there was no saudi arabia or jordan. the palestinian people never did agree to have their land taken from them but it was taken any ways. the palestinians were the majority obviously considering it is their land. they are killed every day. their houses were destroyed, their people were kicked out of their land and massive amounts of jewish people world wide came to live there. a true jew knows that israel is not theirs for the taken and there is a fight between zionist jews that do not follow the torah and the orthodox jews who DO follow the torah. http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/FAQs/protest020702.cfm here is a website showing the real orthodox jewish stand point. the palestinians do in deed take part in suicide bombings because they do not have any other way to defend themselves against tanks, machine guns, granaids, and other weaponry the israeli's have. orthodox jews are killed as well as the palestinians trying to stop the injustice. the suicide bombers do it out of desperation. it would be like you living in your home all of a sudden some people come into your house say this is their land and force you out. if yo resist they will kill you. so when a relative gets killed by the israelis well of corse they are to strike back. israel has a nuclear bomb. palestinians have NOTHING but some rocks and home made bombs. there are car bombings, bus bombings, etc.. in no way are these things alright to do when it comes to killing innocent life no matter who you are. the palestinians should sit back and wait until they become strong enough to fight back. but i am not in their posistion so i can not say. when i look at the zionist i hate their actions but i can understand to a point why they want to have a country of their own. they are tired of being persicuted where ever they go. christians have been killing them in mass numbers for centeries now. dated way back to one of the first popes. i know that according to islam they have a right to live where ever they want to live as long as they do it in a peaceful manner. muslims welcome the people in the website above. the ones that follow the torah the correct way. these are peaeful good hearted jews. but the jews who take israel by force knowing they are forbidden and are to follow the laws in which ever country they reside in and go against it will be judged which is stated in THEIR own book. so in conclusion which ever side you are on the whole war is about land!
1144625
i beleive it should be. america britian and israel need to reconize that people have diff cultures and diff views this is what is left of the palestinians land that was stolen from them. so if america is true to their word then they should have to reconize a democratic vote taken by the palestinian people. these three countries want to control the middle east. they did not do like in afghanistan and appoint a president. did u know the afghani president worked here in texas for bushes oil company? here had no political knowledge before hand. sorry to say it but in america if u are not with america u are against it and considered a terrorist. no matter what we try to say about freedom there is no such thing.
213088
That this case is old does not solve the problem. There is no legitimacy for Israel identity in Islam world. They are completely new nation. Even they don't have certain race. One from Russia other from Iran other from England etc. Isn't it funny? These people have answered above are trying to say that to oppose each other is not a good idea. That maybe right and I am agree more or less. But the reality doesn't change. The reality is that there were Jews in England and they were almost reach, supported by England government and start campaign for Zionism. The Israel is a racist country too. Look at Arabs and Daroozis inside Israel. How they are behaved. They kill daily a few Palestinians and they killed their leaders like Ahmad and Rentisi. In Islamic world opinion there is no reason for "defending" Israel at all. They were cruel not Palestinians. They have occupied a soil, not Palestinians.
396531
umm... lets see... the holiday just ended, people are still recovering from the suicide bombing in tel aviv, the new government was sworn in, israel is trying to decide how to respond to the outrageous bombing... \nthings are pretty much the same- the arabs are being barbaric and hypocritical, the world is blind to the arabs evil and the total lack of justice...\nthat pretty much sums up whats going on around here- yes, i live in israel!!
775010
hey if Iran can be considered a democracy why can't Israel?
382378
I dont think I can answer that question fairly for a couple of reasons... \n1. I dont live in that region so I dont really know what life is like for each side (dealing with constant bombings, roadblocks, the occupation... etc) \n2. I'm not a Muslim nor am I Jewish, and those religions play a huge part into the conflict and how they perceive the situation\n3. My perception of the situation is probably distorted because I am a Westerner and my only source of info is the Western media (and we all know how fair and accurate they portray things!!!) \n\nBut if I absolutely had to choose I would probably side with the Palestinians, because they had their land taken away from them, and their lives uprooted, in order to give Israel a homeland.  BUT I do not, under any circumstances, think that makes it acceptable to send suicide bombers into Israel to kill innocent people.  That will just make Israeli's treat the Palestinians even worse... making it a never ending vicious cycle!\n\nI watched a movie called "Paradise Now" (or something very similiar).  It's about the conflict between these 2 countries and it really gave me a greater insight on what is going on over there... It made me think and question a lot.... pretty good movie!
714071
Personally, I believe Israel has the right to exist but at the same time Palestine's rights are being violated by not existing. If you read Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations", he'll say yes, this war is a clash between Western civilization and Islamic civilization. Much of this conflict, according to him, was brushed under the carpet during the Soviet era both the Islamic World and the West were fighting communism. Do I agree with him? Not really, but he does bring up some strong points.\n\nThe West (particularly the US) interfered to a great extent in the Islamic World in the post- WW2 era and supported some very corrupt regimes such as the Shah's government in Iran. Many of the governments of this time were Arab Nationalist, but people got tired of these governments with their abuse and corruption and turned to Islamist governments. In some instances, the US encouraged the Islamists because some of the Arab Nationalists were too anti-American for their tastes. Israel is the most blatant example of Western interferance because the US uses it as its foothold in the Middle East, to the resentment of the rest of the Arab World especially since they were so thoroughly defeated during the Six Days War in 1967 because throughout most of Middle Eastern history Jews and Christians have lived in Islamic states without a lot of abuse. So, really, the West cannot be considered innocent of the current situation in the Middle East and though, of course, much of it is a reflection of events occurring there, a large part of it is a reaction against the West and Western ideology.