Was Moses right saying we need a blood atonement for our sins,before he was rejected from entering Israel4sin?
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Moses did indeed sin against the Lord by getting angry at the Children of Israel and striking the Rock! his sin was covered by the blood of the sacrifice but he still suffered the consequences of his sin just like we do. If we rob a bank and then confess the crime to God He will forgive us but we still have to pay the price in a court of law. moses was unable to go into the land because he disobeyed God but his sins were covered by the blood and is in heaven today.
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That is the sentence...Jesus was making a point about his diety. God was often refered to as I am... When moses was sent to free gods people he was told to tell pharoh i am said to let my people go. He was also letting the people know that he was around many years before he was born a man.
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No but Jesus is our salvation. It is imperative to seek him and come to know him. He is available to all who seek him. We are all sinners and Christ provided the atonement for all  who accept his atonement for their sins. Christ sacrificed his flesh to provide all of us a new life and an eternity with God. the sin you already have the atonement is free to all who seek him and repent and accept it.
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First of all, I apologize on behalf of Donald Shaw.  I thought his response to your question was absolutely terrible, and very un-Christian.  \n\nI was dismayed that, instead of sharing his faith with you and trying to bring Christ to you, he chose words that would serve no other purpose than to alientate you and push you away.   Trust me, not all of us Christians are like that.\n\nNow, in response to your question:\n\nGod can (and does) effect His forgiveness in any way He wishes.  He's God.  He can do whatever He wants.\n\nSo why did He have His Son suffer and die for our sins?  \n\nOne reason is that this was predicted in the Old Testament.  The OT speaks of a "suffering servant," a human Lamb of God who -- like the lamb sacrificed each year by the ancient Jews on the Day of Atonement -- would die for us and take our sins with Him. \n\nSecond, human nature being what it is, it's not enough for us to read something (like "your sins are forgiven") and then believe it.  We human beings need visuals.  We need proof.  For us, seeing is truly believing.  \n\nAnd seeing Christ suffer and die the worst form of execution in the history of capital punishment -- for us! -- is truly believing.  \n\nWhy else would anyone, let alone the Son of God, willingly put Himself through that?   He certainly didn't do it for nothing.  He definitely didn't do it for Himself.  \n\nHe did it to conquer sin and death.  And for those who believe in Him, that's what He accomplished.
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Blood sacrifice/vegetable sacrifice  God rejected the one and accepted the other.  You come to God on his terms or not at all.  The commandment was a blood sacrafice. \nHeb 9:22  And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission of sin.
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"...without the shedding of blood is no remission of sins."  Hebrews 9:22\n\nGod requires a blood sacrifice to wash away sin and cleanse the heart of all who believe.  The symbology is found in the life's blood of the sacrifice...one life to repay for another.  Why?  Because God said so.\n\nJesus Christ is the "once for all" sacrifice.  He gave His life, so that all might live.  Whoever turns from their sins, and believes in Him, that He truly did this for us, also believes God.  This is the cleansing and washing away of sin that is acceptable to God.  God declares all who believe Him as "righteous" (justifies them) by His grace because He loves us.  Those who turn from their sin and are redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ are given the Spirit of God to dwell in them and teach them and help them obey God.  \n\nSo, Christ died that all might live.  This is the will of the Father who is not willing that any should perish (die the second final death).  Will all receive eternal life?  No, sadly.  Those who reject God will still bear the penalty for not receiving the cleansing by believing on Jesus.  The penalty is death.\n\n"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."  Romans 3:23\n\n"But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."  Romans 5:8-9\n\n"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed uon all men, for that all have sinned."  Romans 5:12\n\n"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."  Romans 6:23\n\n"If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9\n\n"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."  Romans 10:13\n\n"...for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ...So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."  Romans 14:10-12
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We are taught in our Torah that no one can die for the sins of another. In Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically says this:\n\nDeuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not \nbe put to death for the children, neither \nshall the children be put to death for\nthe fathers: \nevery man shall be put to death for his \nown sin.(eesh b'chet-o yumatu)\n\nIn Exodus 32:30-35, Moses tries to offer himself to atone for the sins of the people. To be written out of Gd's book, means to be written out of the Book of Life, which means Moses was asking to die for the sins of the People. Gd's response is No, it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:\n\nExodus 32:30-35 And it came to pass on the \nmorrow, that Moses said unto the people, \nYe have sinned a great sin: and now I will \ngo up unto the Etrnl; perhaps I shall make \nan atonement for your sin. And Moses \nreturned unto the Etrnl, and said, Oh, \nthis people have sinned a great sin, and \nhave made them gods of gold. Yet now, if \nthou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, \nblot me, I pray thee, out of thy book \nwhich thou hast written. \nAnd the Etrnl said unto Moses, Whosoever \nhath sinned against me, him will I blot \nout of my book. \n\nThe whole of chapter 18 of the book of Ezekiel is about this idea, that no one can die for someone else's sin. Further, this chapter of Ezekiel teaches us that all we have to do for Gd's forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd will forgive us.\n\nEzekiel 18:4,20 Behold, all souls are mine; \nas the soul of the father, so also the soul \nof the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, \nit shall die. 20 The soul that sinneth, it \nshall die. The son shall not bear the \niniquity of the father, neither shall the \nfather bear the iniquity of the son: the \nrighteousness of the righteous shall be upon \nhim, and the wickedness of the wicked shall \nbe upon him. \n\nSo, the Bible is clear, no one can die for the sins of another, and this means that Jesus cannot die for anyone else's sins.
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No. No amen. See http://WhatJewsBelieve.org\n\nThe basic beliefs of Christianity about Jesus are against what the Bible says, and so you will not hear an Amen from me.\n\nThe Christian understanding is that the Messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin.\n\nBut we are taught in our Torah that no one can die for the sins of another. In Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically says this:\n\nDeuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not \nbe put to death for the children, neither \nshall the children be put to death for\nthe fathers: \nevery man shall be put to death for his \nown sin (eesh b’chet-o yumatu).\n\nIn Exodus 32:30-35, Moses tries to offer himself to atone for the sins of the people. To be written out of Gd's book, means to be written out of the Book of Life, which means Moses was asking to die for the sins of the People. Gd's response is No, it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:\n\nExodus 32:30-35 And it came to pass on the \nmorrow, that Moses said unto the people, \nYe have sinned a great sin: and now I will \ngo up unto the Etrnl; perhaps I shall make \nan atonement for your sin. And Moses \nreturned unto the Etrnl, and said, Oh, \nthis people have sinned a great sin, and \nhave made them gods of gold. Yet now, if \nthou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, \nblot me, I pray thee, out of thy book \nwhich thou hast written. And the Etrnl \nsaid unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned \nagainst me, him will I blot out of my \nbook. \n\nThe whole of chapter 18 of the book of Ezekiel is about this idea, that no one can die for someone else's sin. Further, this chapter of Ezekiel teaches us that all we have to do for Gd's forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd will forgive us:::\n\nEzekiel 18:1-4; 20-24; 26-27 .....Behold, all \nsouls are mine; as the soul of the father, so \nalso the soul of the son is mine: the soul \nthat sinneth, it shall die. Eze 18:20 The soul \nthat sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not \nbear the iniquity of the father, neither shall \nthe father bear the iniquity of the son: the \nrighteousness of the righteous shall be upon \nhim, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be \nupon him. But if the wicked will turn from all \nhis sins that he hath committed, and keep all \nmy statutes, and do that which is lawful and \nright, he shall surely live, he shall not die. \nAll his transgressions that he hath committed, \nthey shall not be mentioned unto him: in his \nrighteousness that he hath done he shall live. \nHave I any pleasure at all that the wicked \nshould die? saith the Etrnl Gd: and not that \nhe should return from his ways, and live?.... \nEze 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away \nfrom his righteousness, and committeth \niniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity \nthat he hath done shall he die. Again, when \nthe wicked man turneth away from his \nwickedness that he hath committed, and doeth \nthat which is lawful and right, he shall save \nhis soul alive. \n\nSo, the Bible is clear, no one can die for the sins of another, and this means that Jesus cannot die for anyone else's sins.\n\nChristians also believe that one needs a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin, that one who does not have such a blood sacrifice will die in their sins, and go to hell, except for the sacrifice of Jesus.\n\nThis, too, is UnBiblical. The Bible describes blood sacrifices for the forgiveness of sin in the Book of Leviticus. But it is in Leviticus itself, in the middle of the discussion of the sin sacrifices, that we are taught that we do not need a blood sacrifice to be forgiven for our sins. Offering a blood sacrifice was an expensive thing to do for the family offering the animal. Was forgiveness then, to be only for the rich? No, because if one could not afford a blood sacrifice then one who sins could bring flour, which
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You guys are beginning to make answering questions all about getting 10 points, but i think it should go beyond that because its a time of learning.\nIf you were referring to Moses in the bible, i don't think you got the spelling of the HIERAN or HERAN well. I don't even think that word exist in the bible.
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GodShew don't mess yourself with the OT and NT, you keep on jumbling things together as is with your 30 plus open questions until today. When Jesus came to this earth, animal sacrifices stopped, because Jesus became the living sacrifice. But it is true that the OT God demands sacrifice in the OT times as long as the one who makes the sacrifices delights in "good" and not partakers of evil. \n\nFor example in Isaiah 1\nIt displeased the OT God, when Soddom and Gomorrah were commiting sexual immorality and a lot of evil and they stil have the *guts* to sacrifice unto the Lord, the Lord is not a respecter of persons but He demands that when we come to His presence we should present Him a clean heart.\n\nThus, the Lord Jesus Christ when He came, removed the animal sacrifices. When the Jews rejected Jesus, salvation came unto the Gentiles and it was preached that by the Blood of Jesus, "grace" became available to all who believe in His Name unto the ends of the earth. Jesus did not do away with the Law, He is the fulfillment of it. Since all testament require a kind of signature in the end, with Jesus' blood He signed it for the propitiation of sins. Because the Law condemns the sinner and makes known his sins while, with Jesus blood grace follows because all who believes in Him will no longer be condemend because Jesus took away all sins at the victory in the cross.\n\nBasically, I noticed all your questions, you seem to make general condictions about the OT and NT, because you're missing the point. Try to understand the New Covenant of the Blood of Jesus Christ better before assuming that God contradicts Himself as is in most of your questions.\n\nIf you reject the New Covenant which was fulfilled by the Blood of Jesus. Then all you will ever come up are contradicting questions about the Bible all your life. The Jews cannot comprehended it, because the Lord has made their ears shut and their eyes blind, that to seeing they cannot see and hearing they cannot hear. I hope you are not one of them.\n\nGRACE wasn't available in abundance not yet before Jesus died for us...is when the Spirit of GRACE followed.\n\nAbout Noah and the clean and unclean animals, please don't mess it up. Clean and unclean animals are for the good of Noah's family. Unclean food is not for good to man. God requires that His children will be clean, even staying away from unclean foods, because the Body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. On the other hand, God required animal sacrifices back then in the days of Noah and Moses and the rest of OT but not anymore until Jesus was sacrificed. There's a distinction.  \n\nMay God show you truth and give you understanding.
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Adam was a perfect huiman being.  When he (and Eve) sinned against God, he (Adam) passed his sin down to the entire human race.  \n\nJesus' death paid for our sins because his blood was the right "price":  perfect. \n\nPerfect blood brought us down, and therefore only perfect blood could redeem us\n\nAnd no, it's not "fair", it's loving, and it was necessary, because we were not capable of doing it ourselves.  And people who truly accept Jesus' sacrifice will desire to please God, not take advantage of his mercy.  God can read hearts.  He knows who is sincere and who is merely trying to get away with something.\n\n(btw...i think that was a great question)
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Jesus speaks of Moses in several chapters;\n\nMatthew 8:4;\nAnd Jesus saith unto him, See thou  tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded for a testimony unto them.\n\nMatthew 91:8;\nHe (Jesus) saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives; but from the beginning it was not so.\n\nMark 7:10;\nFor Moses said, Honor thy father and mother; and, whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death.  \nMark 10:3;\nWhat did Moses command you?\n\nLuke 20:37;\nNow that the dead was raised, even Moses shewed  at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.\n\nLuke 24:44;\nAnd he said unto them; These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.\n\nJohn 3:14;\nAnd as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up.\nJohn 5:45-46;\nDo not think that I will accuse you to the Father, there is one that accuseth you, evern Moses, in whom ye trust.\nFor had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.\n\nJohn 6:32;\nThen Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my father giveth you the true bread from heaven.\nJohn 7;19;\nDid not moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepth the law? Why go ye about to kill me,\n\nJohn7-22-23;\nMoses therefore gave unto circumcision, not because it is to Moses, but of the father; and ye on the sabbath day cricumcise a man.\nIf a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day
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…Heaven, …Israel, …both.\nIt is God’s testament, promise, and word. That you can find your rest in Him.\n\nPlease don’t forget Rev. King was referring the fact that Moses was not allow to enter the land, but was only allowed to see it from the mountaintop.\n\n…I look forward to asking him someday, in God’s Glory.  Amen
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What exactly are you asking? What am I agreeing with? If it's a matter of whether I think this verse sets forth biblical doctrine, then yes. I believe in a physical resurrection (for everyone--though only those who are covered by the atonement get to go to heaven). I also believe in a spiritual atonement and an entrance into the Kingdom of G-d, both made possible through the work of Yeshua Messiah (Jesus Christ) on the cross. And I believe that the only reason we can approach Him to praise Him is "through grace divine," because I certainly don't deserve to be in His presence. Only the blood of an innocent Man allows me to come near Him.\n\nWhat is the reference, by the way? I tried to find the verse...not sure what translation you are using.
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It was Moses.  In the OT, he was called by the Spirit of God to climb Mt. Sinai.  After Moses saw the burning bush, he asked God if he could see Him.  God said "No, you'd die if you looked directly at me" (I'm paraphrasing, of course).  So God told Moses to go to a cleft in the rock and hide his face and God would pass by.  That was all Moses could handle (as a human being).
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I cant accept Jesus because the basic beliefs of Christianity about Jesus are against what the Bible says, and so Real Jews cannot believe in Jesus at all.\n\nThe Christian understanding is that the Messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin.\n\nBut we are taught in our Torah that no one can die for the sins of another. In Deuteronomy 24:16 it specifically says this:\n\nDeuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not \nbe put to death for the children, neither \nshall the children be put to death for\nthe fathers: \nevery man shall be put to death for his \nown sin (eesh b’chet-o yumatu).\n\nIn Exodus 32:30-35, Moses tries to offer himself to atone for the sins of the people. To be written out of Gd's book, means to be written out of the Book of Life, which means Moses was asking to die for the sins of the People. Gd's response is No, it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:\n\nExodus 32:30-35 And it came to pass on the \nmorrow, that Moses said unto the people, \nYe have sinned a great sin: and now I will \ngo up unto the Etrnl; perhaps I shall make \nan atonement for your sin. And Moses \nreturned unto the Etrnl, and said, Oh, \nthis people have sinned a great sin, and \nhave made them gods of gold. Yet now, if \nthou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, \nblot me, I pray thee, out of thy book \nwhich thou hast written. And the Etrnl \nsaid unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned \nagainst me, him will I blot out of my \nbook. \n\nThe whole of chapter 18 of the book of Ezekiel is about this idea, that no one can die for someone else's sin. Further, this chapter of Ezekiel teaches us that all we have to do for Gd's forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd will forgive us.\n\nSo, the Bible is clear, no one can die for the sins of another, and this means that Jesus cannot die for anyone else's sins.\n\nChristians also believe that one needs a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin, that one who does not have such a blood sacrifice will die in their sins, and go to hell, except for the sacrifice of Jesus.\n\nThis, too, is UnBiblical. The Bible describes blood sacrifices for the forgiveness of sin in the Book of Leviticus. But it is in Leviticus itself, in the middle of the discussion of the sin sacrifices, that we are taught that we do not need a blood sacrifice to be forgiven for our sins. Offering a blood sacrifice was an expensive thing to do for the family offering the animal. Was forgiveness then, to be only for the rich? No, because if one could not afford a blood sacrifice then one who sins could bring flour, which has no blood and no life as their sacrifice, and Gd forgave them!\n\nLeviticus 5:11-13; But if he be not able to \nbring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, \nthen he that sinned shall bring for his \noffering the tenth part of an ephah of fine \nflour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil \nupon it, neither shall he put any \nfrankincense thereon: for it is a sin \noffering.\n\nFurthermore, read the Book of Jonah. In Jonah, the People of Ninevah do three things in order to be forgiven by Gd. They fast, they pray for forgiveness, and they stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd forgave them! This is exactly what we do on Yom Kippur, we fast, we pray for forgiveness, and, hopefully, we stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good, and Gd forgives us. And what book do we read on Yom Kippur afternoon? The Book of Jonah!\n\nJonah 3:7-10 And he caused it to be proclaimed \nand published through Ninevah, by the decree \nof the King and his nobles, saying, Let \nneither man nor beast, herd nor flock taste \nanything; let them not feed nor drink water; \nbut let man and beast be covered with \nsackcloth, and cry mightily unto Gd; yea, let \nthem turn every one from his evil way, and \nfrom the violence that is in their hands. Wh
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I love when people say "read the bible!" after the guy just posted the verses he wants to discuss.\n\nIf the example he gives shows moses killing CHILDREN!!  How can you possibly say he did it b/c he had to or it was justified?  If god told you to go kill children you would do it?  You are sick.  Does that mean that the woman in texas or wherever who drowned her kids b/c she thought they were demons did the right thing?