Why do orthodox jews oppose the fact that Israel is a state?
930193
orthodox Jews do not oppose the state of Israel, They support it. There is a very small group who do oppose it because they feel the state should be restored through the messiah.  They are an extreme minority though.
1127516
Simple, Israel doesn't want to give back Palestinians forefathers land them.\nWhile Jews immigrated to Palestine (60 years ago), they wanted all of their lands to make a new country (Name Israel). So they founded this country by killing Palestinians, destroying houses, running out Palestinian, etc.\nThey won't let others even speak about their activities including, looting, killing innocents people, etc.\nThus freedom countries are protesting against Israel guiltiest.\n\nAlso, UN can't do anything about Palestine because US will use its Veto voting to disappoint all of peaceful activities against Israel.
531567
I don't think they hate Jewish people in particular, but they feel that the state of Israel invaded their homelands with its founding in, I think, 1948.
242149
Because Arabs refuse to allow Jews freedom and independence. Jewish independence is an insult to Arabs, and to Islam. According to Islam, Jews and Christians are to be subjugated.
757486
I'm  Muslim and i have nothing against the Jews, but I'm 100% against the Zionist state of Israel. before Israel was declared the Jews, Christians and Muslims lived together all over the middle east in peace. it wasn't until the migration of the European Jews (Zionists) who came from all over Europe and settled in Palestine which has been a British colony since the first world war. when the Jews of Europe moved to Palestine they started their terrorist operations against the Native inhabitants of the Land and specifically the Muslims and Christians. they burned their houses, killed many and drove the rest out of their homes into the deserts. in 1948, the state of Israel was declared by the UN and the land was divided into two states, with the Jewish area consisting of roughly 55% of the land, and the Arab area roughly 45%. Jerusalem was planned to be an international region administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status.\n\nthe Arabs knew that this is done by the British super power to put the Arabs in their place plus they felt that the land is being officially stolen therefore the 1948 war started which resulted in the defeat of the Arabs and Israel gained an additional 26% of the Mandate territory west of the Jordan River. Jordan, for its part, held the large mountainous areas of Judea and Samaria, which became known as the West Bank. Egypt took control of a small strip of land along the coast, which became known as the Gaza Strip.\nEstimates of the final refugee count range from 400,000 to 900,000 with the official United Nations count at 711,000.The continuing conflict between Israel and the Arab world resulted in a lasting displacement that persists to this day.\nImmigration of Holocaust survivors and Jewish refugees from Arab lands doubled Israel's population within a year of independence. Over the following years approximately 850,000 Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews fled or were expelled from surrounding Arab countries and Iran. Of these, about 600,000 settled in Israel; the remainder went to Europe and the Americas.\n\nfor those atrocities that happened in the past and still happening until now. I feel my rejection of the state of Israel is justified. and i understand how the Arabs feel.\nbut to be practical and look for peaceful solutions i came to agree that if Israel pulls out of ALL the occupied territories (1967 borders) i think there might be a chance for co-existence between Arabs and Jews. after all we do worship one God and from the same origin.\n\npeace!
372555
Fear is not the correct term.  Wary would be a better term.\nHistorically, since the Establishment of the state of Israel, the Islamic nations surrounding Israel have vehemently opposed the existence of a state not driven by the Koran/Islamic law.  This is especially apparent with the number of wars over this region since 1948.  Currently the government of IRAN is controlled by radical and anti-Semitic people.  The president of IRAN has continuously expressed a desire to end the state of Israel.  With there nuclear program, this has heightened the concern  as radical Islamists have demonstrated a willingness to kill or destroy ANYTHING to achieve there goals.\n\nThe HATE of IRAN for Israel  goes beyond just IRAN.  Almost every nation surrounding Israel wishes to push Israel "into the sea."  This demonstrates a fundamental mindset of Middle eastern Islam against Israel.  It come down to two main reasons: 1)All people of Islam should be governed by a government whose laws are Islamic.  Any laws that go against Islamic teachings are forbiden.  Israel  has a very liberal laws in regards to religion and women.  2)  The land of Israel contains many sites Holy to Islam.  Placing control of these sites under non-Islamic people is seen as wrong.  Especially as for security reasons,  Israeli government limits access to these sites
43615
This is a thorny question one that no one has found an acceptable compromise to. The begining or Israeli and Palestinian strife came around the end of World War 2. Before then the state of Israel was not even in existance but through lobbying by prominent jews in America and due to a British promise to set up a homeland for displaced European Jews, the state of Israel was founded in Palestine in the British Mandate. Isreal has based this on the pretext that Isreal is the promised land that Moses led the Jewish tribes to after the Exodus and during the time of Babylon and Rome the people were once again exiled by the new conqurers and this the Jews have been a displaced people within Europe ever since. One argument that Israel was founded illegally on land that has already been inhabited by Arabs and thus they are the occupying force and displacing the Arabs. Israelis content that it is their right to have a homeland in the promised land and thus justified for occupation. The animosity intensified after Israel declared independance and thus 6 adjacent Arab states declared war to prevent the formalization of a Zionist state in the Midst of an Arab sea. Isreal prevaled and even captured larger tracts of territory which included the Sinai Peninsular from Egypt, Golan Heights from Syria and small tracts from lebanon. The Yom Kippur War later was proven to be a Israeli victory. Finally Egypt sign a peace treaty through the Camp David Accord whereby Sinai was returned to Egypt and formal recognization of Isreal was acknowledge. At present Palestine consists of the Gaza strip and the West Bank, Jerusalem is still a contested site whereby both states claim it as their capital. Years of infighting from the Hezbollah led by Yasser Arrafat which uses guerilla tactics and suicide bombers targetting US and Israeli sites have seen retaliation by Israel through forced demolition and targeted killing of 'terrorists/freedom fighters'. Also zealots and ultra orthodox jews erecting squatters within clearly marked territories belonging to the Palestine has caused frictions. To date both sides are still at war and peace accords don't last as seen by the last roadmap to peace initiative. It would seem only a miracle would unite these two foes together in peace.
768627
There is no ethical reason for Israel to have their own state in the Middle East. Why should they have been allowed to just come in and take land away from the Palestinian people? If every race of people who have lost land in historical wars were allowed to just come back, then California does belong to Mexico; the American Indians own The U.S.; Northern France belongs to England; Greece owns Cyprus, southern Italy, and Bosnia... The difference with this situation is there was no war for land to be won. The Zionists just came in, with some minor support from Europe, and took the land. If the Ottoman Empire had chosen to be against Germany in World War I, Palestine would never have come under British control, and the Zionists could have never pressured Parliament to encourage a Jewish migration. Once the Holocaust happened during World War II, a complete and udder disgrace for all humankind, the Zionists had the upper hand, and with Europe domination in the Middle East, they had no problem setting up Israel as a State. Things could have been alright, but some of Israel's leaders wanted to create an Israeli State that controlled lands owned by Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and of course, Palestine. If they had just stayed within their borders, everything would be a lot less violent. Bottom line is, the land belonged to Palestine before Europe gave it to the Israelis.
70001
I am a member of the Socialist Party USA which is a common leftist third party organization. I also have ties with the Revolutionary Communist Party and the Anarchist Black Cross. From my experience people who believe leftists are antisemitic and that is someone's personal opinion are failing to seperate two different issues. Almost all leftist either a) Do not the support the right of the state of Israel to exist b) Are strongly criticial of Israel or both. Our problem is not with the Jews. Their are amny Jews who are leftists themselves. What we have a problem with however is the corrupt way the state of Israel manages it's affair as a nation we have no problem with Jews our problem is with the nation of Israel. Isael is currently threating to nuke Iran and provoke World War III. I think any nation that would use nuclear weapons in this manner needs to be diarmed by force. Iran is also a country that is very corrupt. There are differences though as well. a) Iran didn't force people out of their country to create it they have always lived there. b) Iran has been condemned by pretty much the entire world for their actions Israel has not been condemned by anyone that has the military force to keep them in check for their actions. Our problem once more is with the state of Isael not Jews. I would have no problem with letting everybody in Isael move to the US if they so choose to create a Palastinian state.
413557
Ahh- you are going to be facedf with the normal anti-Israel diatries.  The fact that there has never been an independent country called Palestine, that the Romans called the province Philistina to punish the Jews, the fact that even in ROman times not all the Jews were expelled, the fact that there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the area for the last 3500 years, the fact that until the mid 1800s the Palestinians were a largely migratory group, and even then ended up spread across most of the middle-east, including Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt.  All of these facts slip the anti-Israel lobby by in their virulent hatred.
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The Jewish Entity "Known as the State of Israel" is not a Democracy, it's an Aparthied state because it is based on pre-determined preferences and settings and is constructed on occupied Palestinian land. Number one, if you're Jewish, you can immediatly get citizenship and set up shop, and run a more than normal life. But if you're not Jewish, i.e., if you're a Palestinian Christian or Muslim, you would be denied many rights, especialy if you're from the two occupied regions of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, they you HAVE no rights over there, the Israeli elected government would shoot you down on suspicion alone.\n\nThis is very similar if not worse than the South African Aparthied.\n\nSo, Zionist politics is designed to serve one purpose and one purpose alone, and that is to protect one of the greatest thefts of all times, the theft of Palestine and to hush hush on it as if it was alright.\n\nI recently asked an Israeli associate, I asked her, If the Arab Israelis want to establish a Majority government, would you allow them to rule Israel? to which she responded: "NEVER! THIS IS A JEWS ONLY STATE"... i guess that sums it up. Israel is not a democracy, it's a theocracy trying to disguise itself as a democarcy, but it fools only those who CAN be fooled, i.e. the uneducated or those who refuse to see the light.\n\nKuLock: Your answer is far away from reality. Every Jew in the world who wants to make money and run away from Poverty immigrated to Occupied Palestine. Those people ran Jewish terrorist Organizations like the Haganah and the Argon, who were horrible in thier crimes, look em up, they would enter Palestinian towns and villages and kill everyone, even the baby in the woman's womb. Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years and it's all documented in Britain, Istanbul and all the old capitals. It's Zionists who claim the pathetic lie that the land was people-less for a stateless people, this is a lie you could have pulled 50 years ago, but everyone knows it's a propaganda lie now, just like Hitler's proclamation that Germans were a super or special race. All lies on top of lies, suit yourself and enjoy those lies demise. :)\n\nShalom.
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After WW2, the UN proposed a seperate state for the Jews in Palestine. The Allied powers effectively drawed up various Arab states that were previously ruled by western colonial powers. Israel was meant for the Jews, and yes there was a seperate Palestinian state proposed. The Arabs had mixed feelings about a Jewish state, but most of the local Arabs in Palestine welcomed it. But what happened was that some of the Jewish militias started to sieze the already drawn up Palestinian lands and worst of all terrorizing and killing the local Arabs. Those militias had some powerful backup from abroad, especially in the US. Many of those backup organizations are non government organizations and many well known businesses. The militias fought for more land and resources and of course killing people, inlcuding children. Israel's first prime minister Ben Gurion once said   “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” That's what the Israelis did and still do so more efficiently. There are many powerful organizations in the US that observe every inch of content as to what is presented in the US media to the American public, so no one knows exactly what really goes on in the occupied territories in Palestine. So, my friend, it is Israel that occupies Palestine with full fledged US support and not the other way around. That is the truth and the whole truth. Peace be upon you.
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Arab citizens in Israel have all the rights and privileges as anyone else in Israel.  Unlike every single surrounding arab state, Israel is an enlightened democracy.  I think that is something people intentionally overlook about Israel.  Israel is not, in fact, a jewish state.  It may have begun that way, but it has not been that way for a long, long time.  Israel is a jewish and arab state.  It actually is the ONLY state in the middle east where arabs are free and have human rights.
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The Jewish people DO have a country of their own and they are not about to go away any time soon no matter how much you like or dislike them.\n\nIts sad that Palestine does not have a country of their own and have descended into violence out of frustration.  The UN declaration that gave Israel its start was also supposed to start a Palestinian state but that got obfuscated in the complex politics that ensued.
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I'm confused by your question.\n\nFirst off, a Zionist is a person who believes that the Jewish People should have a homeland in the Holy Land.\n\nSecond, I don't know of any time where there has been illegal migration into the Holy Land by Zionists. From 1017 to 1917 the Ottoman Empire let anyone come in except during WWI when they excluded all citizens of Allied countries regardless of their views on Zionism.\n\nFrom 1917 to 1945 the British administered the Holy Land pursuant to a League of Nations Mandate that the Holy Land be a "homeland for the Jewish People".  By virtue of that mandate, any restrictions the British tried to put on Zionist immigration were illegal, not the other way round.  In 1947 the UN voted to divide the Mandate Territory into a Jewish State and an Arab State, pursuant to which the Jewish community in the Holy Land declared a State, Israel, which was admitted to the UN.  As a sovereign state established in accordance to international law, Israel allows immigration of Zionists.\n\nUS problems with immigrants to the US is just not on the radar for Israelis, and they don't have views.  Persons living in the US who favor a Jewish Homeland in the Holy Land, or part of it, may have views on immigration, but those views vary from person to person.
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it is a long story but here is the short end. back in ww2 the jews had decided they had enough of being persrcuted where ever they go. considering there was no such thing as the jewish nation. as you know the americans british and the french allied together to save the jews from the nazis. then popped in zionism. the british and the zionist banned together and took palestine. at the time there was no saudi arabia or jordan. the palestinian people never did agree to have their land taken from them but it was taken any ways. the palestinians were the majority obviously considering it is their land. they are killed every day. their houses were destroyed, their people were kicked out of their land and massive amounts of jewish people world wide came to live there. a true jew knows that israel is not theirs for the taken and there is a fight between zionist jews that do not follow the torah and the orthodox jews who DO follow the torah. http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/FAQs/protest020702.cfm here is a website showing the real orthodox jewish stand point. the palestinians do in deed take part in suicide bombings because they do not have any other way to defend themselves against tanks, machine guns, granaids, and other weaponry the israeli's have. orthodox jews are killed as well as the palestinians trying to stop the injustice. the suicide bombers do it out of desperation. it would be like you living in your home all of a sudden some people come into your house say this is their land and force you out. if yo resist they will kill you. so when a relative gets killed by the israelis well of corse they are to strike back. israel has a nuclear bomb. palestinians have NOTHING but some rocks and home made bombs. there are car bombings, bus bombings, etc.. in no way are these things alright to do when it comes to killing innocent life no matter who you are. the palestinians should sit back and wait until they become strong enough to fight back. but i am not in their posistion so i can not say. when i look at the zionist i hate their actions but i can understand to a point why they want to have a country of their own. they are tired of being persicuted where ever they go. christians have been killing them in mass numbers for centeries now. dated way back to one of the first popes. i know that according to islam they have a right to live where ever they want to live as long as they do it in a peaceful manner. muslims welcome the people in the website above. the ones that follow the torah the correct way. these are peaeful good hearted jews. but the jews who take israel by force knowing they are forbidden and are to follow the laws in which ever country they reside in and go against it will be judged which is stated in THEIR own book. so in conclusion which ever side you are on the whole war is about land!
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Don't get me started on this subject. I believe and some historians agree that the only true originals of that area of the world is the Palestinians every Jew is not genetically connect to the original people only religously.\nNotice most of the Jews that came back to "take back their land" came there from European countries. I have no problems with Jews at all but the facts are most Jews of wealth and knowledge were taken away by the Romans in the \ndays of Roman rule  inter-bred wth  the local people and convert some to Judaism.This is over 2000 years!\n The ones that stayed were invaded by others and eventually became Islamic and called themselves Palestinian.\nThe only reason the major countries of the world support Israel is because the Jews control the banking industry of the world.They got the money! I told you not to get me started.