# 2: which homosexual evangelical pastor said this quote?
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well now he can openly marry who he really wants to now
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It was interesting hearing what you had to say because I'm currently taking a Biblical Ethics class, and I have decided to do my research paper on the Homosexual issue.  I will know better how to answer your question after the research, but for now, I'll just express my opinions.\n\nNot all religions view homosexuality the same way, and not even all Christians view it the same way.  It seems clear to me that the Bible clearly condemns male homosexual relations.  (Female homosexual relations are not mentioned at all in the Old Testament, but it was written by men, and mostly for male readers, so perhaps it is implied).\n\nThe Bible however did not come down from God in the way that traditionalists think.  It was written by different people in different times and places, and the different voices therein conflict.  So what we have in the Bible are different views of various people, and it is quite clear that some of those people were homophobic.  They called homosexual relations "an abomination before the Lord."  These people were just expressing their gut reaction to gays.  They were intolerant, they did not understand the phenomenon, and so they basically just said, "Yuck," and didn't think about it anymore.  They just assumed it was bad and evil.\n\nOf course, most Christians do not realize that the Bible is the word of men and not God.  They were raised to believe that it is the Word of God, usually by honest, good parents who do not otherwise lie.  Therefore they believe their parents.  Why wouldn't they?  Their parents seemed to be right about other things.  So they never come to realize that well-meaning people can be totally incorrect and they perpetuate the teaching that the Bible is the Word of God.  \n\nNow these people, in their heart of hearts, often have compassion for gay people and have a tendency towards tolerance for them.  However, the people are trained to NOT listen to their hearts!  They think their hearts are wrong, and go against their own consciences to follow the Bible.  They justify this by saying, "God knows better than me."  \n\nMy mom is just such a person.  I can tell that in her heart, she would like to be tolerant of LBGT people.  But she can't let go of her belief in the Bible.  So she just can't let herself live according to her own conscience on this matter.  It is a very complicated issue.  My mom is not stupid or heartless.  She has her reasons for believing in the Bible.  It is not as simple as saying, "People who believe in the Bible are just idiots."\n\nI am not a Christian, but I am a very religious person.  I support LBGT rights.  I would like to just point out these 2 things:  that not all religious people are anti-gay.  And that not everything about religion is BS.  True, there is BS in religions, but not everything in a religion is BS.  Our job as religious people is to be discerning about that.  We must be willing to let go of a religious belief if it is proven false.  We must not be attached to our religion.  Religion is merely a means to a goal, and too many of us won't let go of the religion to get to the goal!  \n\nBut there are certain religious practices that are very good.  Daily affirmations of what is good in life, time spent daily working on how to improve compassion within yourself, reading of certain Scriptures which teach wisdom and love, devotion and humility before other humans and God (for those who believe in God) -- these are all beneficial to someone (and the people around him/her).
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After spending time with Eve, Adam was walking in the Garden with God. Adam told God how much the woman means to him and how blessed he feels to have her. Adam began to ask questions about her. \nAdam: Lord, Eve is beautiful. Why did you make her so beautiful? \n\nGod: So you will always want to look at her. \n\nAdam: Lord, her skin is so soft. Why did you make her skin so soft? \n\nGod: So you will always want to touch her. \n\nAdam: She always smells so good. Lord, why did you make her smell so good? \n\nGod: So you will always want to be near her. \n\nAdam: That's wonderful Lord, and I don't want to seem ungrateful, but why did you make her so stupid? \n\nGod: So she would love you\n\n\n\nhaha love that one =]\n\nxx
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Probably. But somebody is lying about Mr Haggard who is incharge of the NAE, calling him a homosexual. Watch this story in the news. \nThese I believe are the last days !!!!\n\n2 Timothy read the following.\n\nChapter 3\n1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.\n\n2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,\n\n3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, FALSE ACCUSERS, incontinent, fierce, DESPISERS OF THOSE THAT ARE GOOD, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;\n\n5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.\n\n6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,\n\n7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.\n\n8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.\n\n9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.\n\n13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.\n\nTHERE IS HOPE FOR EVERYONE.\n\n"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23 \n\n"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23 \n\n"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8 \n\n"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 \n\n"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9-10
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ok....so what?  He says regligion tore apart his country ..then he quotes a bible verse?
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I'm not familiar with the quote, but he is right in the sense that Christianity (at least in its current form) is not the same religion founded by Jesus.  Jesus was truly a wise man.  Personally, I think Thomas Jefferson was truly a wise man and very much doubt he is in hell (though I don't believe in hell anyway).
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The statement is a straightforward liberal commentary on many misunderstandings and false teachings within the Christian community.  I especially liked his point that Jesus had a lot to say about hypocrisy and phariseeism, but nothing about homosexuality.  I think he went over the top a bit by implying that we needed to read Greek or Latin to have a discussion about it, though.
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I'd have to agree with you, except in the reverse order, Homophobes use Christianity as an excuse.  Many Christians aren't Homophobes and therefore don't need to quote (often misquote) the gay references in the bible.  Two very small references to Homosexuality in the old Testament are the only references that the bible makes, yet it makes references to many other things that Christians never attack and some of which most, if not all, Christians are guilty of committing.  The fact is Gays are an easy target.  They can point and say, "look at the sinner!" and draw the attention away from their own sins.
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Liberals are supposted to support homosexuality, why is it a problem for liberals that some pastor and Foley turned out to be gay.  I'm a republican and I could care less about gay marriage and the like.  Plus, Foley and that Haggard guy don't represent the entire republican party, me, or any other conservatives
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Please read the following link.  It will answer all your questions regarding God, homosexuality, and the Bible.  It is written by a Christian minister <who has pastored in the Baptist church for MANY years> and it covers everything for you and anybody else who cares to read it.\n\nBy the way, the author is NOT gay.
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I take no joy in anyone's disgrace. However, the irony of the situation isn't lost on me. It makes me wish that the Fundamentalists and other groups would lighten up on the gay issue so that people could just come out of the closet instead of living lives based on secrecy and falsehood. It's a recipe for hypocrisy. My own church is open to gay clergy, and we haven't seen anything like this coming from them; we already know they're gay, so there's nothing to hide. It's a sad commentary on one individual--in this case, the minister in question--but a worse indictment of his own church and its homophobic agenda.
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It could be this one:\n\n"For only the truth which edifies is truth for you."
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"if straight ppl have to suffer through marriage, EVERYONE should have to." \n\nhow about that one?
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There are gay churches, because gay people are not willing to accept the Truth. They need to repent and stop sinning, just like everyone else.
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Who's the quote from?\n\nWe are to fish for men/women with the truth of God's Word. When you fish you use bait or a lure. You dangle the bait enticingly and don't beat them over the head with it.\n\nGod and His Word do the cleaning.
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Friend - They use FEAR and we are in fearful times.  I apologize for my evangelical brothers and sisters.  GBU
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Ignorance, bigotry, hatred, and fear. \nHitler used this to his advantage from 1933 to 1945 by telling the Germans that their lives would be better without Jewish people, homosexuals, and gypsies. Evangelical Christians use ignorance, bigotry, hatred, and fear for their own advantage today by telling their followers that their lives would be better without the prevalence of homosexuality. The Bible also says not to shave, get a tattoo, eat pork or shellfish but the evangelicals know that ignorance, bigotry, hatred, and fear won't work for them in those cases.