Is it fraternization when an officer and enlisted Soldier in the Army take a vacation trip together on leave?
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Yes, it can be.\nRead the article on about.com:  http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/fraternization.htm\n"Fraternization is a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). It falls under a subparagraph of Article 134."\n\nThe question is what you and that officer do while on leave and what your relationship is.  If your relationship is one that is considered "a violation of the custom of the armed forces against fraternization."  Then it is fraternization, and that is so lose that it can cover almost anything having to do with any relationship between an officer and enlisted man.\n\nIf you are married or related to the officer then that would not violate the code.  If you have a business relationship with the officer outside of the military, like you are partners in a company than that does not violate the code (provided you are not on active duty, in which case it would be a violation).\n\nThe relationship you are talking about seems to be outside of any business relationship so it sounds like you are just socializing or something more.\n\nOf course what the military doesn't know...  I know of a case where an officer married an enlisted man.  The military was forces to accept the act, but until that point any relationship they had would have been fraternization.  Once married though they did not seem to suffer any punishment.  They were required to be in separate military units so the officer would not command the enlisted spouse, but their marriage was honored and they lived together.\n\nThe problem is that the wording of the regulation isn't tight and it relies on the fraternization policy of each command (post, ship, station etc.)  Article 134 is a general catch all article that picks up anything not covered the other articles.\n\nThe officer's code isn't tight either; an officer can be charged with Conduct Unbecoming An Officer (Article 133).  This category can be used to cover anything that a higher officer wants to cover.  If the officer's commanding officer considered the trip to be fraternization then it is either a case of fraternization (Article 134) or a case of Conduct Unbecoming An Officer (Article 133).  In this case that officer could be forced to appear in court and be tried under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice).\n\nHere is the text of the articles:  http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj2.htm#934.%20ART.%20134.%20GENERAL%20ARTICLE\n“933. ART. 133. CONDUCT UNBECOMING AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN \nAny commissioned officer, cadet, or midshipman who is convicted of conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. \n934. ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE \nThough not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.”\n\nLike I said it is so vague and general that it can be used to cover anything.  My advice is to NOT GET CAUGHT doing it.  If there is anyway in which the military can find out about that relationship then the officer’s career can be put into danger.
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Administrative Separations. Administrative separations cannot be awarded by a court-martial and are not punitive in nature. Enlisted personnel may be administratively separated with a characterization of service (characterized separation) or description of separation (uncharacterized separation) as warranted by the facts of the particular case.\n\n"Basis" is the reason for which the person is being administratively separated (e.g., pattern of misconduct, convenience of the government for parenthood, weight control failure, etc.). "Characterization of service" refers to the quality of the individual's military service (e.g., honorable, general, or Other Than Honorable).\n\nIndividuals who are separated with less than 180 days of continuous active military service may be separated as an "Entry Level Separation." In these cases, there is no characterization of service at all.\n\nAnother type of administrative separation is "Order of Release from the Custody and Control of the Military Services" by reason of void enlistment or induction. This type of separation also has no characterization of service.
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i read an article that said that men in the military would not feel comfortable, therefore would lack trust--and since they are entrusted with each other's lives, then it would be dangerous.\n\ni don't really understand that line of argument...you are given orders--then you carry them out, as i see it.\n\njust contributing
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I do not think so, unless they  had left the base to meet with your wife instead of performing their duties.\nOnce they are off duty they can somewhat do what they want.\nIf they want to date someone they can, or sadly in your case be with a married woman. \nYou could report this to his CO, not sure if it will do any good, maybe his CO will have him ordered to stay on the military base
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When someone leaves on a deployment it's like you hit a brick wall.  They keep moving forward and you can't go along for the ride.  You have no idea what he's dealing with, and you can't relate when he tells you about his day.  You just have to listen, but chances are you won't understand.  You'll be worried sick while he's gone and stupid things will make you break down in tears.  Don't kid yourself.  Being over there and knowing your job is a lot different than being the one that sits at home waiting by the phone...Hoping that the conversation with him you had the other day wasn't indeed the last one you'll ever have with him.
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i have.  26Th MEU.  we patrolled the Mediterranean.  helped out a bit in Bosnia back in 1995. we were part of the IFOR.  I loved it. I loved being a Marine.  wish i would have stayed.
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You must go to the base that they are on. Most Commanders don't like it when this happens either. You will get what you want right away. Ask for a supervisor when you get there and you will have no problem. There are company's that do this for a living if you do not want to do this.
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.YEs ...................Fonder of some one else. For those who are dealing with work related separations.  Look for an Article Emotional Cycle of deployment
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If you are on active duty the military can choose to try you themselves or let the locals handle it.\n\nShort answer:  Yes.
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Well a few things can happen. Alot of it actually depends on the military unit they went AWOL from. First off, as soon as we change thier duty status to AWOL, we hold all pay and allowances... we inventory all property they leave behind within 24 hours. The Army has a group of military police called "AWOL Apprehension" that are informed and a notice goes thru NCIC to all law enforcement agency's. After 10 days we send thier parents a letter explaining that they are AWOL and explaining duty and honor. At the 31 day mark, we begin processing the paperwork to drop them from the military rolls and seperate them from the Army for desertion. They are given a seperation code on thier official records and DD214 that codes them as a dessertor.  With that code, it is difficult for them to apply to any college, they will be turned down for all state and federal jobs and they cannot recieve alot of different loans... to include alot of consumer loans.  Life at that point kinda sucks for them... and usually so does thier pay.  McDonalds and Burger King have even started denying them employment. If you can't get a job at Burger King... well that rests on it's own merits....lol.
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If you're in the service, I'd talk to your unit's admin rep. They'll be able to at least give some pointers. Some agancies can be entered while still on active duty. A temporary "on loan" or liason basis?  CIA/NSA for example sometimes use military intelligence personnel. The C.D.C. can borrow experts from USAMRIID.
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Unfortunately..Needs of the Military take precedence over all else.  Spousal Co-Location is covered for up to 150 miles I believe, so if you are within that zone, than according to the Marines, you are already co located.  \n\nYour MOSs will also be a factor.  No sense in having one of you be in Aviation and the other Infantry.. not much chance of ever getting stationed together.  One of you may have to extend in order to coincide with the others PRD and then have each of your detailers workl together to hammer out a suitable arrangement.
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No, you will not be stationed together. The Marine Corps in federally obsevered and the NG is State observered. It is possible you can be stationed in the same town, but if your boyfriend gets orders to another base in another state, you will still be obligated to your post.
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It's pretty much up to the individual.  Back in the day (decades ago) every thing was paid for so when you got paid you had nothing to spend it on.  If you were wise you saved it, otherwise they would go on spending sprees which usually involved booze and other unmentionables.  If the individual is married it's no different than being married to someone in the military as far as the time apart is concerned.
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All of that is true.  But colocation is not guaranteed.  And if you are dual military and children are involved, you are required to sign a dependent care form in case both of you are called to sea (it can and DOES happen).  That means you sign your kids away to someone else so that you're free to deploy.  When my husband and I were both due to roll to sea, we made the decision that he was promoting faster than I was so I got out at my 6-year mark so that our kids would have one parent around.
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They pretty much work with you and what you want as much as they can.  However, you shouldn't need a "break" from BCT.  It's only 9 weeks and it's better to get it over with.  You'd be better off to try to work it so you can go to BCT, have Christmas at home and then start AIT.  Honestly, you don't want to be forced into taking Christmas exodus.  I don't know if it's changed, but exodus used to count toward your leave.  Kinda like mandatory leave.  If you take exodus that soon after joining, you'll be in the hole for leave days.  I know, because this happened to my hubby.  Then, when he came down on orders for Germany directly after AIT, we had no time together because he had no leave saved.  He went strait overseas and it took me 6 months to get there.  Just something for you to think about.  Ask the recruiter if exodus counts toward leave because if it does, you don't want to start in the hole.  \n\nAlso, in all honesty, you and your family need to learn to spend time apart.  Especially holidays.  I know you don't want to hear this and some will think I'm mean, but it's the Army life.  Our daughter is 9 and hubby has been home or able to help for 2 Halloweens.  He's been gone about half of her Christmas' and in our 18 years, I can't even tell you how many missed holidays or special days.  It takes a special and strong family to be a military family.  I hope you and yours are prepared for the lifestyle.  It's a hard life, but it's a good life.\n\nGood luck and thanks for your willingness to serve!!
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Yes they do, like everyone is saying, I just wanted to put my two cents in. I had exodus last year, but I was already done with basic and moved into my actual training. But the soldiers who came in afterwards, one unit did the normal leave, while another unite actually shortened their basic by two weeks to have them out and done by exodus. Bullcrap! I did 9 weeks!