Immigration: Mexican ambassador wants a North American Union. What say you?
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I am vehemently opposed to any attempt by any official to erase our borders, and conflate the cultures and governments of the United States, Canada, and Mexico. Canada and Mexico might benefit from the deal, with the added economic and militaristic prowess of the US being added to their nation’s body, but the US will suffer from Mexico’s corruption and large unemployed population. It simply isn’t a good idea. Furthermore such a large portion of the US, especially in Middle America, are too fond of the US’s sovereignty and identity to ever dream of intermingling any aspect of our government or culture with Mexico or Canada. I surmise Canada feels the same way.
749351
What the heck would we need with Mexico ?
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Obrador says he wont let beans etc come in under the NAFTA deadline.  Our government is saying it must occur as scheduled.  Personally, I think NAFTA was never looked at as having a potential impact on immigration, and I think that dialog would be healthy.  I'm not even sure which side I'd be on.\n\nHowever, big business here wants both cheap labor AND free trade, and would be more comfortable with Fox's party.  Much as I hate the thought, they may well come out the winners over here, which would put Mexico in a position of maybe getting significantly loosened immigration (legally) for poor immigrants.  I don't know if they would be comfortable horse trading with Obrador.  Big business (right or wrong) has a suspicion that those on the left don't consider themselves bound by agreements once they get what they want.\n\nThis is just speculation.  I'd rather not have Obrador because he seems volatile.  I don't vote there, however.\n\nBy the way, I found an article that might interest you.  I don't know if I agree with its conclusion, but here you go: http://www.whittierdailynews.com/opinions/ci_3991732
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Or, what about Mexico annex what was once theirs?\n\nI think both ideas are ridiculous, but if we are going to fantasize, how about this:\n\nAt first it wouldn't be a State(s), it would be a territory or a protectorate, like Porto Rico or the Panama canal zone.  If we annexed Mexico it is possible it would never achieve statehood.\n\nYou mentioned the benefits of building an infrastructure, but the reality is that we have a failing infrastructure up here we would have to deal with first.  We have one of the worst infrastructures compared to all the other developed countries of the world.  Our train system has some serious catching up to do.  Most of our power plants are dated.  Dams and levys are falling apart what seems like every day (think New Orleans), our airports are over used and too small, our National Parks and other public Lands are desperately under funded, our public transportation is terrible, we dearly need a urban planning miracle, we are facing a future of drought, the list doesn't end.  But basically we can't seem to afford to take care of ourselves let alone another 107,000,000 Mexicans.\n\nYes we would gain the natural resources, but the reality is we already have them.  America has been exploiting Latin America's natural resources for more than 150 years.  Look at whats going on in Venezuela and Bolivia.  The US is pissed off because these governments aren't allowing the US to rape them anymore. \n\nAnd we already have the cheap labor, they come here.  And they stay cheap because they are illegal.  But imagine if we start paying another 107,000,000 people minimum wage (or more),  they wouldn't be so cheap any more now would they?\n\nThe old paradigm of controlling mass geographic space is becoming passe.  In fact it is very difficult to govern huge populations speaking different languages, sharing different cultures, expressing different political ideologies.  America is a very expensive venture indeed, and I am not sure it is the least costly model.  When you finally break it down buy cost analysis I am sure the independent Mexico model shows the highest net growth for both countries.  \n\nIt is even possible that our current country "as is" won't be able to afford to exist in its present form for very much longer.  What if we run out of gas?\n  \nCan you imagine trying to get 107,000,000 Mexicans to integrate in to the US way of life, fat chance.  Many of them don't even speak Spanish let alone English.
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Nuke 'em all!\n\nNote this:\n\n1. If you migrate to this county, you must speak the native language \n \n2. You have to be a professional or an investor. No unskilled workers allowed. \n \n3. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, all government business will be conducted in our language. \n \n4. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here. \n \n5 Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office. \n \n6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. \n \n7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. \n \n8. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront property. That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country. \n \n9. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies, if you do you will be sent home. \n \n10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail. \n \n \nHarsh, you say? The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of MEXICO!
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Si Senor.\n\nViva Mexico!!!!!!!!!!!
502005
A better option would be to allow the Mexican public an opportunity to vote themselves in to a negotiated merger, or essentially a referendum on the performance of their government over the past century.  Of course the Mexican Goverment would never allow that any more than US Goverment would.  A huge amount of the reason that Mexicans come to the US looking for jobs is that the PRI managed to keep Mexico's economy from developing in a normal fashion during the bulk of the 20th century.  Some of the pandering of the US goverment to Mexico could very well be explained by a desire to see the PAN remain in control of the Goverment in Mexico, however in the long run the US needs to secure it's borders, punish US employers of Illegals and do what we can in helping Mexico provide enough jobs for their own population.  Though hypothetically combining the two countries does make some sense.
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HERES The Racism-\nALL The RACISM You Want\n\n\nMexico's President Fox has been unrelenting in his brazen demands on the United States, starting with open borders even before he was elected. He has called for the border to be “a joining line.” His visits to the U.S. have been filled with endless requirements for Mexican citizens illegally in this country — free healthcare, taxpayer-subsidized in-state tuition for illegals at state colleges and universities, guestworker programs and amnesty for all. \n\n                                                             **************************\n\nMexican American Legal Defense Fund founder Mario Obledo stated, “California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave. Every constitutional office in California is going to be held by Hispanics in the next 20 years.  People who don't like such demographic changes “should go back to Europe.” (Incidentally,  Senor  Obledo was also the California Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Gov. Jerry Brown.) \n\n\nObledo Is A Member Of "MEChA" And "LA RAZA"\n\n                                                 ********************\n\nThe newly "ELECTED"mayor, Antonio Villaraigosa, joined the lawbreakers and proclaimed "this bill in Congress is wrong". Señor Villaraigosa said "The only thing illegal is making 11 million illegal aliens felons." Yeah, he Actually said that. People should make no mistake about it: Villaraigosa was "ELECTED" by ILLEGALs VOTING, and HIS Allegiance, along with the rest of these "ELECTED" public officials in California of Mexican ancestry is to Mexico, not California or these United States of America. Villaraigosa has spent a lifetime opposing U.S. immigration laws.\n\nVillaraigosa is A Member Of  "MEChA"  and  " LA RAZA"\n\n                                               *********************\n\nMEChA and the La Raza movement teach that Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington State make up an area known as "AZTLAN" -- a fictional ancestral homeland of the Aztecs before Europeans arrived in North America. As such, it belongs to the followers of MEChA. These are all areas America should surrender to "La Raza" once enough immigrants, legal or illegal, enter to claim a majority, as in Los Angeles. The current borders of the United States will  be extinguished.\n\n The Council of La Raza succeeded in having itself added to congressional hearings by Republican House and Senate leaders. And an anonymous senator even gave the Council of La Raza an extra $4 million in earmarked taxpayer money, supposedly for "housing reform," while La Raza continues to lobby the Senate for virtual open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens. \n\nhttp://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=13863\n\n"We have an aging white America ... They are dying ...We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him." Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas, Arlington and founder of the La Raza Unida political party \n\nProfessor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas; "We have an aging white America.  They are not making babies.  They are dying.  The explosion is in our population . . . I love it.  They are shitting in their pants with fear.  I love it." \n\n                      *********************\n\nArt Torres, California Democratic Party chairman, at the Latino Summit \nResponse to Prop 187 at U.C. Riverside (Jan. 14, 1995): "Power is not given to you, you have to take it! People say to me when I was on the Senate floor, when I was in the Senate, why do you fight so hard for affirmative action programs. And I tell my white colleagues: because you're gonna need them. Remember, 187 is the last gasp of white Americ
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LOL trying to legislate the entire planet into the United States, are you? Face facts, that was then, this is now, and unless you really really want to face decades of nosebleed taxes to pay for overcrowding, more cops, more pollution, consider your choices wisely, because Mexico's just standing by for the green light...bone up on your spanish...of course, to be fair, it's not just mexico.\nProblem is, the more pre-load there is on your paycheck, \nthat eventually you'll be paying more and getting less in the way of any social services etc. A lot of people have developed an entitlement mentality these days, other people 'owe' them something, kind of like Sid Vicious's 'do they owe us a living'-type attitude. No one 'owes' you anything by virture of ethnicity, family name, or anything.\nMore people need to pull their socks up, and stop expecting handouts, and trying to paint our country as the mega-welfare agency. "Hey, let's go leech off america" isn't a good attitude, in my view. Lots of people just barely scraping by, out there as it is.\n\nAs hospitals etc. get overloaded, jail system gets overloaded, schools get overloaded, their effectiveness diminishes. People will demand that these services be expanded, and that the government pay for it. Well, you're part of the government, so again, vote with great consideration...\n\nI don't think the answer to global poverty is to make the United States a de-facto second-world country. Legal immigration is fine, illegal immigration is not, and as far as the indian thing goes, you're talking distant history, just like mexico losing the US/Mexico war, which they still apparently refuse to acknowledge? There's poverty in america too, and I think there's a general delusion, perpetuated by some rather unethical politicians, that blatant opportunism and cut-throat competition is the answer to the world's problems. Selling america down the river wholesale isn't going to solve any social problems, right any wrongs, and dumping another 100 million or so into the mix with impunity like the Senate apparently sees fit to do won't get the job done, either. \n\nI think it's time for people to dry their eyes, and look at the problems facing america, mexico and other nations in a new light, with an eye towards prevention and reform. You can't change the past. No one can jump in the time machine and go back and re-make the world or our country the way they think it should be. The strongest strategy, to my mind, is to try and improve what we've got. Mexico should be doing the same instead of just basically fleeing the scene of the crime...'blame america' just won't cut it.\nI have nothing against helping less fortunate people either, as long as it's 'hand up', not 'hand-out' etc...
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I ABSOLUTELY believe that now is the time to make it official.  If we don't do it now, there will be too many Mexicans and others that may change it.  If we do it now, it will be ensured forever and it will be all over with.  Good question
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Hell no! Mexico is trying to take over the USA as it is. Look how many are SNEAKING across the borders now, if we were to give them duel citizen ship, that would be a night mare, then who is next? Canada? I say lets keep the USA as she is, the proud, the free and the home of the brave. Not the nation that has open door policy, (Hey everyone we don't care how many come over and take over our nation, just walk right thru the door and its yours for the taking)  come on, whats next? This is our America, our country, not theirs, they already have their own, why give ours up so easily?
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Will the Mexican invaders pack up and go back to Mexico from having a guilty conscience ? \nNo, no guilty conscience.\n\nWill Western Union stop bleeding the Great U.S.A. by sending money to Mexico ?\nNo, it is great business for them.\n\nWill Vicente Fox share his wealth ?\nNo way, actually the children of his wife are stealing even more than him, and no, they won't share either.\n\n Will Mexico stop being poor and corrupt ? \nYes. If there is cooperation with the US, this can happen in six years.\n\nWill Mexicans stop speaking the language of the people that conquered them ? \nWe are mixed, we will speak both Spanish and native dialects.\n\nWill a border be built that is serious about security ? \nNo.\n\nWill President Bush not be influenced by his Mexican born sister in law ?\nNo.\n\n Will the U.S.A. grow up and have a real immigration policy ?\nNo.\n\n Will the U.S. have a non Hispanic attorney general ?\nNo, for the next three years.
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I don't want to take ANYthing from ANYbody. What I'd REALLY like to see everybody do is roll back down to Mexico, take what they've learned in OUR country, and apply it. Mexico's SOOOO close to being able to stand up and do the Right Thing, here, and take care of their own. They mainly just have to decide that they've GOT to do it, and get it done. There's no reason on god's green earth that they couldn't just get home, set up, and MAKE a lot of good things happen, just I don't think they really want to leave. If they'd do that, then they'd really and honestly be helping all the poor people that come running in every year, and that's how we end up at chapter 432 of a very boring, very predictable soap opera called The History Of The US/Mexico Border.\nI support helping Mexico, but helping Mexico to Do Right, which is to get their own economy going, to get their own infrastructure built, to take their own initative, and to do that instead of everybody just bolting for the United States. \n\nPeople commit crimes mainly because they've run out of other options. Some truly are maniacs, and incorrigibles, and they deserve a seat in the Big House. But, if people could make it on their own, likely they'd never get involved in all this garbage to begin with. Unfortunately, a lot of people have gotten involved in crime, because it DOES pay, at least it does the way we've been maintaining our borders these last 20 years. So, you tune up the borders, make em right, and I think you'll see a lot of stuff go away that was happening before. I think we also need to localize manufacturing. It's more efficient if you're not shipping stuff 1/2way around the world etc. You get americans producing goods for americans IN america, mexicans producing goods for mexicans IN mexico, so forth, and so on. Import raw materials etc., but other than that localize your manufacturing so as to lessen transport costs, fuel usage, and so forth. In an efficient economy, in theory at least, there wouldn't be all that much imports etc., because you'd be making what you need/use locally.\nWhat we have now is inefficient, imagine in the case of the illegal aliens if your 'commute' was 700 miles or more.\n\nMexico's GOT a 1 trillion dollar economy. That's very positive.\nBut, they need to figure out how to BOOST it, legally, to the point where they can really start investing in the things that'll support all their people.  \n\nThere's a lot of problems with today's status quo, the best fix for the ones between our country and mexico and canada would be to fix the borders. Do that, and I think a lot of other things will straighten themselves out, too.\n\nI'm against illegal immigration, period. If you're in the country illegally, that's criminal trespass, right there. But, as long as businesses keep hiring people in violation of the law, people will come seeking jobs. So, stop the illegal hiring, make it really really hard to get into the country illegally to begin with, and you'll have fixed some things. \n\nThe world isn't perfect, and there's no magic wand to wave over other people's problems, or our own for that matter. Comma. There are some fundamental basic principles that can be successfully observed and applied, and one of those is that spending 1/2 your energy just getting to work is pretty wasteful.\n\nI support helping Mexico, but in much more structured ways, \nthey have a big cement company, cement can pour foundations for homes, they have many people seeking work, they've got money, like I say what I think is lacking is the will to do it. \nThe border fence kind of has one purpose, to help them find the will to do for themselves, and not have every one of their problems have the common answer of 'get it from the United States'. Mexico's even got minerals etc. They really CAN do it for themselves. \n\nI hope
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Yes, answer him, and even so i don't like your usa government international policy's ask him for a visa for me, i'm a Mexican engineer whit two master degrees, one on robotics and the other on assaembly design, ongoing doctorate too, i want go there and put a big electronics design studio and return rich ;))!!!!
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Mexico has EVERYTHING it needs to be a top notch nation. except desire. These people either lack the know how or desire to do it. I sense a civil war is going to happen in Mexico soon. The people there need to find their "Neo"
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Thats the plan.Mexico/USA/Canada.All one.NAFTA.NAFTA sucks.
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To be perfectly honest with you, regardless of what you hear, they are both mutually working on the establishment of the North American Union, the dissolution of international borders between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, to make the North American continent effectively one nation. Just another step in the establishment of the New World Order, one world government.