TELL ME, WHERE JESUS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE MARTYRS THAT KILL THEMSELVeS?
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Latin Vulgate \nDouay-Rheims Bible\n\nThe Apocalypse Of Saint John\nChapter 22 \n\n\n11 He that hurteth, let him hurt still: and he that is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is just, let him be justified still: and he that is holy, let him be sanctified still. 12 Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to every man according to his works. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. 14 Blessed are they that wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb: that they may have a right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. 15 Without are dogs, and sorcerers, and unchaste, and murderers, and servers of idols, and every one that loveth and maketh a lie. \n16 I Jesus have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and morning star. 17 And the spirit and the bride say: Come. And he that heareth, let him say: Come. And he that thirsteth, let him come: and he that will, let him take the water of life, freely.
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Jesus was sent down as a Prophet of (God), but he (Jesus) is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. Jesus was never killed or was ever crucified. He was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world.
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When I was a Christian, I heard that a suicide could not go to heaven.  Someone in our village was buried outside the churchyard because she had killed herself.  She could not have a church funeral.  I thought this was very wrong.
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Different indeed as there is countless proof that the eqyptians existed. We have much in the archives about eqypt and its history.\nNot much on Jesus. A book that has had countless changes by many religions and I think America has abused and butchered the basic beliefs in Jesus as a god. \nBelieve in something. Anything you wish,as long as it never harms a soul.
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The preachers and ministers who say this aren't really Christians anyway.  They told me that when my brother died and my dad died, after they committed suicide.  But by the time my dad died, I knew better.\n\nIf the person who committed suicide is a true Christian, he'll go to heaven.
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Some will call this a contradiction.  It is not.\nJesus says that God forgives all sins, but one (though I believe it is two).  The one Jesus references is to sin against the Holy Spirit, which is God.  I also believe suicide is unforgivable, as you are murdering and cannot ask forgiveness for it.\n\nPeter says that through Christ, you can be forgiven things that Moses' law could not forgive.  Tell me where Moses' law talks about sinning against the Holy Spirit.  It does not.\n\nClear?  You have to read the words...not the footnotes or interpretations.
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Hmm...Well, do what other bullshit religions have done: name it after your religion's savior, which I suppose would be you. Don't martyr yourself though. That can't be fun.
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You need to extend the passage a little.\n\n Now Jesus and his disciples set out for the villages of Caesarea Philippi. Along the way he asked his disciples, "Who do people say that I am?" They said in reply, "John the Baptist, others Elijah, still others one of the prophets." And he asked them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter said to him in reply, "You are the Messiah." Then he warned them not to tell anyone about him. He began to teach them that the Son of Man 7 must suffer greatly and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and rise after three days. He spoke this openly. Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. At this he turned around and, looking at his disciples, rebuked Peter and said, "Get behind me, Satan. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do." He summoned the crowd with his disciples and said 8 to them, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and that of the gospel 9 will save it. What profit is there for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? What could one give in exchange for his life? Whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this faithless and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels." \n\nThis utterance of Jesus challenges all believers to authentic discipleship and total commitment to himself through self-renunciation and acceptance of the cross of suffering, even to the sacrifice of life itself. Whoever wishes to save his life will lose it . . . will save it: an expression of the ambivalence of life and its contrasting destiny. Life seen as mere self-centered earthly existence and lived in denial of Christ ends in destruction, but when lived in loyalty to Christ, despite earthly death, it arrives at fullness of life.\n\nWhat are you doing in your life that is self-centered or not in keeping with what the Master needs?
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jesus never died on the cross. he actually lived. he escaped to kashmir in india and spent his remaining life there . his tomb lies there to this day.
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Jesus was more of a Socialist than anything else.\n\nHe taught sharing and caring.
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The people who tortured him and nailed him to a cross were Romans.  The usual punishment for fomenting rebellion was crucifixion.  Ultimately, though, it doesn't matter who killed him.  He died willingly to take away the sins of the world.
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It doesn't\n\nSuicides—A Resurrection?\n\nTHE tragic news of a suicide does not close a chapter in the lives of relatives and friends; it opens one—a chapter of mixed feelings of pity and anger, sorrow and guilt. And it raises the question: May we entertain any hope for our friend who took his or her life?\n\nAlthough self-inflicted death is never justified, never righteous, the apostle Paul did hold out a beautiful hope for even some unrighteous ones. As he told a Roman court of law: “I have hope toward God . . . that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”—Acts 24:15. \nMany theologians have long dismissed any suggestion that the resurrection of the unrighteous might offer hope for those who commit suicide. Why?\n\nCenturies ago, churchmen introduced a non-Biblical concept: immortal souls that leave the body at death and go straight to heaven, purgatory, Limbo, or hell. That concept clashed with the Bible’s clear teaching of a future resurrection. As Baptist minister Charles Andrews asked: “If the soul is already blissfully in heaven (or is already justifiably roasting in hell), what need is there for anything further?” He added: “This inner contradiction has remained to plague Christians throughout the centuries.”\n\nOne result of such errant theology was that “since Augustine’s time [354-430 C.E.], the church has condemned suicide as a sin,” says Arthur Droge in the Bible Review, “a sin beyond redemption, just like apostasy and adultery.”\n\nJesus told a criminal sentenced to death: “You will be with me in Paradise.” The man was unrighteous—a lawbreaker rather than a distraught suicide victim—guilty by his own frank admission. (Luke 23:39-43) He had no hope of going to heaven to rule with Jesus. So the Paradise in which this thief could hope to come back to life would be the beautiful earth under the rule of Jehovah God’s Kingdom.—Matthew 6:9, 10; Revelation 21:1-4.\n\nFor what purpose will God awaken this criminal? So that He mercilessly can hold his past sins against him? Hardly, for Romans 6:7, 23 says: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin,” and “the wages sin pays is death.” Although his past sins will not be accounted to him, he will still need the ransom to lift him to perfection.\n\nOnly God can fully understand the role of mental sickness, extreme stress, even genetic defects, in a “suicidal crisis,” which, the National Observer noted, “is not a lifetime characteristic [but] often a matter only of minutes or of hours.”\nGranted, one who takes his own life deprives himself of the opportunity to repent of his self-murder. But who can say whether one driven to suicide might have had a change of heart had his fatal attempt failed? Some notorious murderers have, in fact, changed and earned God’s forgiveness during their lifetime.\nThus, Jehovah, having paid “a ransom in exchange for many,” His Son, is within his right to extend mercy, even to some self-murderers, by resurrecting them and giving them the precious opportunity to “repent and turn to God by doing works that befit repentance.”\n\nThe Scriptures encourage us to see ourselves, not as immortal souls, but as valuable creations of the God who loves us, who treasures our being alive, and who looks forward with joy to the time of the resurrection.\n\n4000 years had passed from Adam & Eve, Jesus said to a Religious Leader that no one had gone to Heaven, and millions of people had passed away in death. This is a quote from the King James Bible: \n\nJohn 3:13 " And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven," \n\nIt seems to me, this would eliminate the "immortal soul" belief, not only that, if you go to Heaven or Hell when you die, you completely do away with the resurrection that the Bible speaks about, because the resurrection is suppose to take place after Jesus comes the second time, and that has
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I believe the 2nd story is correct. Not sure about the follower part, but yes, another man was subsituted. See, Jesus was pulled into the heavens and will return before the Day of Judgement, symbolizing that the Day of Judgement is near. So, yes, God did not kill Jesus.
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True, but we are not, we are still on earth and have lost a loved one, it is normal to grieve. Jesus did not chastise Mary and Martha when Lazarus died.
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Suicides—A Resurrection?\n\nTHE tragic news of a suicide does not close a chapter in the lives of relatives and friends; it opens one—a chapter of mixed feelings of pity and anger, sorrow and guilt. And it raises the question: May we entertain any hope for our friend who took his or her life?\n\nAlthough self-inflicted death is never justified, never righteous, the apostle Paul did hold out a beautiful hope for even some unrighteous ones. As he told a Roman court of law: “I have hope toward God . . . that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”—Acts 24:15. \nMany theologians have long dismissed any suggestion that the resurrection of the unrighteous might offer hope for those who commit suicide. Why?\n\nCenturies ago, churchmen introduced a non-Biblical concept: immortal souls that leave the body at death and go straight to heaven, purgatory, Limbo, or hell. That concept clashed with the Bible’s clear teaching of a future resurrection. As Baptist minister Charles Andrews asked: “If the soul is already blissfully in heaven (or is already justifiably roasting in hell), what need is there for anything further?” He added: “This inner contradiction has remained to plague Christians throughout the centuries.”\n\nOne result of such errant theology was that “since Augustine’s time [354-430 C.E.], the church has condemned suicide as a sin,” says Arthur Droge in the Bible Review, “a sin beyond redemption, just like apostasy and adultery.”\n\nJesus told a criminal sentenced to death: “You will be with me in Paradise.” The man was unrighteous—a lawbreaker rather than a distraught suicide victim—guilty by his own frank admission. (Luke 23:39-43) He had no hope of going to heaven to rule with Jesus. So the Paradise in which this thief could hope to come back to life would be the beautiful earth under the rule of Jehovah God’s Kingdom.—Matthew 6:9, 10; Revelation 21:1-4.\n\nFor what purpose will God awaken this criminal? So that He mercilessly can hold his past sins against him? Hardly, for Romans 6:7, 23 says: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin,” and “the wages sin pays is death.” Although his past sins will not be accounted to him, he will still need the ransom to lift him to perfection.\n\nOnly God can fully understand the role of mental sickness, extreme stress, even genetic defects, in a “suicidal crisis,” which, the National Observer noted, “is not a lifetime characteristic [but] often a matter only of minutes or of hours.”\nGranted, one who takes his own life deprives himself of the opportunity to repent of his self-murder. But who can say whether one driven to suicide might have had a change of heart had his fatal attempt failed? Some notorious murderers have, in fact, changed and earned God’s forgiveness during their lifetime.\nThus, Jehovah, having paid “a ransom in exchange for many,” His Son, is within his right to extend mercy, even to some self-murderers, by resurrecting them and giving them the precious opportunity to “repent and turn to God by doing works that befit repentance.”\n\nThe Scriptures encourage us to see ourselves, not as immortal souls, but as valuable creations of the God who loves us, who treasures our being alive, and who looks forward with joy to the time of the resurrection.\n\n4000 years had passed from Adam & Eve, Jesus said to a Religious Leader that no one had gone to Heaven, and millions of people had passed away in death. This is a quote from the King James Bible: \n\nJohn 3:13 " And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven," \nit seems to me, this would eliminate the "immortal soul" belief, not only that, if you go to Heaven or Hell when you die, you completely do away with the resurrection that the Bible speaks about, because the resurrection is suppose to take place after Jesus comes the second time, and that has not happened.
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Well, there is clearly no definitive answer, but from what you can find online:\n\nPeter was probably martyred by crucifixion, possibly upside down, in Rome.\n\nAndrew is believed to have been crucified in Patras, in Greece.\n\nJames is believed to have been beheaded by King Herod Agrippa in Judea.\n\nLittle is known about John's death, and much confusion is added by the popularity of the name so, for instance, it is not clear that John the Apostle is the same as the John that wrote the book of John in the New Testament or the same as John of Patmos (the exile) who is believed to have written the book of revelation.  The mormon's believe he is still alive!\n\nPhilip is believed to have been crucified in Phrygia.\n\nBartholomew is believed to have been flayed alived then crucified upside down in Armenia.\n\nThomas may have been killed in India where he is said to have been a missionary and preacher.\n\nJames the Less was probably put to death by the Jews.\n\nSome traditions say that Matthew was martyred in Ethiopia, others say that he was martyred in Hierapolis of Parthia. \n\nSimon may have been put to death by saw in Georgia in Eastern Europe.\n\nJudas committed suicide - either by hanging or by "purchasing a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out". \n\nJude may also have been martyred in Armenia.
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Well, since Jesus was known to hang out more with the non-religious folk of his time, he would probably feel right at home.  He would probably have more to say to the "self-righteous..." Something like, " I was hungry and you didn't feed me, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, a was a stranger and you didn't welcome me, I was sick and you didn't care for me, I was in prison and you didn't visit me..." You were too busy deciding who's going to heaven or hell...