Is This A Good Analogy; The More You Give The ILLEGAL ALIENS The More They Demand?
930783
Like JD said, give them an inch and they take a mile.  You can't be nice to some people.
1084773
You have explained this very nicely.  Savings that the employers reap by hiring illegals at far lower costs are not passed onto the consumers.  It is kept by the employers as higher profits.  Illegals are not causing our food to be cheaper.  This is a myth!
1123027
Yes, more than likely. And it's possible if another amnesty is to be given to more illegal immigrants again, you'll have a _lot_ more home-grown terror cells before long! Trust me. Just watch and see what I'm saying!
619496
I think it just solidified the antagonism felt on both sides. Personally, I am against illegal immigrants from any country.  The key word is ILLEGAL. By doing what they did, I think they just made legal citizens angrier with them and much less likely to feel any sympathy.  Why do they think they have the right to demand a privilege be given to them that so many others worked so hard to obtain? It lessens the value of what the legal immigrants obtained, and sends the message that we'll just throw our hands up and say, "Oh, okay, if you insist, come on in illegally.  We'll yell a little bit then let you stay."  Can you imagine the flood of illegals we'll get if these people are given amnesty?
482278
"Give me your tired, your poor, \nYour huddled masses yearning to breathe free, \nThe wretched refuse of your teeming shore. \nSend these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, \nI lift my lamp beside the golden door!!" \n\nI believe there is a caveat to what is on the Statue of Liberty; Be willing to work hard and contribute to the fabric of America, not come here and expect the citizens to give you handouts.  That is what the idea of legal immigration is all about.  Do you have a job lined up?  do you have a means of support?\n\nPeople that are against illegal immigration are not racist or against the people, but are against the idea that we should have immigrants that come into the country and expect us to give them the life they dreamed of.
367087
You are 100% correct.  As soon as the illegals become legal, they will demand more wages.  That puts us right back where we started.
424431
It's very simple, you (taxpayer) are their "checkbook"!!!!  They never run out, just raise your taxes!!!\n\nFYI:  $63 billion to take care of "illegal aliens"!!!!  Divide that amount by the number of legal citizens in the U.S.  Think of how rich you'd be!!!
1110813
just give them your information.  they'll help you get your illegal families across the border.
1173532
As you can see, illegals get more benefits than those trying to follow the law.  Change your name to "Gonzalez".
648943
quote from cited link\nquote\nsmuggling\nThe US Government estimates that 500,000 illegal migrants are brought into the United States annually by organized alien smuggling networks; another estimated half-million enter without the assistance of alien smugglers. Most illegal migrants enter the United States overland from Mexico or Canada. \nAccording to US Government estimates, some 500,000 to 600,000 illegal migrants who entered the United States in 1999 were Mexican nationals, and another 225,000 were Central American nationals. \nChinese smugglers, known as snakeheads, often move aliens into the United States by maritime vessels, including offshore transfers of migrants, but also transit South and Central America, Mexico, and Canada. The US Government estimates that 30,000 to 40,000 Chinese were smuggled into the United States in 1999. \nAlien smuggling contributes to the broader problem of increasing numbers of foreign nationals illegally resident in the United States, as well as in other relatively prosperous countries, who are straining social and economic resources and contributing to rising crime and anti-immigrant sentiment. Illegal aliens undermine wages and working conditions for legal employees, increasing the potential health and safety risks to the work force. Illegal immigration also increases the burden and cost of some government social programs. \nunquote\n\nhttp://www.fas.org/irp/threat/pub45270chap2.html#4\n\nnote: and stop being so focused on mexico\nhere link topeople smuggling in England\nexerpt from cited link\nquote\nThe illegal immigrants, smuggled in from the Kurdish areas of Turkey, pay between £3,000 and £5,000 for journeys which often take months, said police. \nunquote\nhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4329374.stm\n\nAND LAST BUT NOT LEAST....ever hear of MS13??\nquote from cited link\nquote\nIn Texas and the Rio Grande area, MS-13 has become particularly profitable.  U.S. and Mexican authorities acknowledge that MS-13 has been heavily involved in drug smuggling and human trafficking operations.  They estimate that there are over 200 active cells (cells are groups of at least 20 members) operating in the states that border Mexico.  Rumors abound concerning high-profile terrorist organizations contacting MS-13 for assistance in crossing borders in these areas.\nunquote\nhttp://www.altereddimensions.net/crime/MS13Gang.htm\n\nIF YOU LOOK AT ONLY ONE LINK...the third one ...about ms13 is most enlightening.\ntoo much focus on Mexicans.\nThere are a whole bunch of other people entering the US illegally.
845793
Sorry.......no.  If you're refering to illegals that take low paying jobs or bid low on jobs...then they have done it to themselves.  I knew that would be the next line of doo-do.  They came here illegally and willingly took whatever job they wanted.  No one forced them.  They volunteered their services.  If there's "segragation" it's on their part for not wanting to assimilate in this country.  They seperate themselves with their language and all the talk about "their" people.  So that trip won't fly either.
210857
Ditto to hobbit.  If it's worth it enough, you'll do it right. You're welcomed to come, but do it legally. You are not above the law. You cannot come here illegally and expect us to look the other way "because you're only here to work hard at the jobs no one else wants," And then turn around and demand a living wage or unionize to bully your way to a better salary like the farmworkers and the hotelworkers have done. Do you want to be above the law? Than you can't expect the law to be on your side when it would work to your benefit.
708043
I work with a guy who was about 4 years old when his parents immigrated legally. He was not born here so when he got old enough he started the process to become a legal citizen. He paid for it, he did it the legal way and he has been here seventeen years and is about to get his citizenship. He is adamantly against illegal immigration. I makes him mad to think he went through the proper, legal. tedious process and those people could end up getting their amnesty without doing what he had to do. \n\nI'm sick of people claiming those illegal immigrants just want 'work to feed their poor families'. That is such a CROCK!  I have yet to see anyone coming across that border looking emaciated or starving. I see people from Ethiopia and other countries where they are REALLY starving, their children are DYING from malnutrition  and they would LOVE to come to the USA. They are POOR. The USA sends aid to those countries but we cannot take in millions of poor people to be supported by our taxes. It's the same with those illegally entering from our border with Mexico. We cannot continue to support unlimited numbers of people who just 'want a better life'. I want a better life, too. I can't just go move in with a rich person and demand they take care of me and my family, provide us with medical care, food, clothing and let me have the run of his house. It don't work that way. You have to live according to what YOU, YOURSELF, can provide. If they want a better life, make it better in their own country. They shouldn't slither into the USA and demand WE take care of them. They're not starving! They are no more poor than some of our own citizens. They need to get a real life in their own country.
462923
You are right.  But to add to your idea "to give them more rights"... THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY RIGHTS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  What part of "illegal" don't they (those who are allowing these actions) understand?   I don't get it.  \n\nNo, I didn't walk out. ditching is just wrong. But some weren't raised in America with the same moral upbringing that we were.  I guess we should forgive and be sorry for them and give them money, housing, education to make up for their lack of morals......NOT!
664017
I think the felony for aiding an immigrant is a non-starter and a negotiating point the House put in.  I think if we can't enforce the laws we have, all we would have with that law is an even more 'illigitimate law'.  (I am sure that is in your text book too.)\n\nHowever, while the principles you are discussing are one theory of political analysis, using any one theory alone is like wearing blinders.  Yours doesn't get you to the point in this case.\n\nThere is frustration with a demand for rights we reserve to legal status individuals, and with the assumption that overburdening schools and services should not be taken into account if the people doing it are 'good people'.  Basic human rights are different, and if we are physically being cruel to people or not allowing them due process or something, that would be different.\n\nThose who repeat that illegal immigrants are here illegally aren't dim wits unable to comprehend basic social theory, and many have progressed beyond Poli Sci 101.  What you see is people saying that the ones demanding legal resident rights aren't entitled to them, and are out of line to demand that kind of rights.   Those rights are conferred precisely because people are here legally.  Illegal immigrants aren't part of the protected class that came here legally at a rate designed for assimilation. \n\nI believe that, myself.  I think the best argument for regularizing current illegal immigrants is that while we have to close the border and limit immigrants, these people are already here.  As a practical matter, if they would meet our standards (not gang members or terrorists, and self supporting), a lot of people think it is best to just say 'ok start today' on tough enforcement.  The problem is that the amnesty in 1986 to do just that was taken by many as something that would happen regularly.  Since 1986, there has not been enforcement at the border and the illegal immigrant population has exploded.  Moreover, people come onto this site and actually say they should get amnesty 'because nothing has been done for Mexicans since 1986', as if amnesty were a regular process.  That would nullify our immigration policies, which have good reason for existing.\n\nI think we need to close the border, really, really close the border.  Then we can turn to the people inside, and decide how to handle that.  It is a lot easier to be empathetic when you are not being told that theoretically we should support the poor of the entire world.
513747
No.  Send them back to where ever they are from and make them go about it the right way.\n\nI do have a possible solution to the problem though. All of those people who are pro Illegal aliens can give up their own citizenship to an illegal and then take their place in the illegals country.  Any takers?
378513
you know that old saying give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, but teach a man how to fish and he will eat for life . well thats what they need to do learn as a country stand for themselves if they would unite for this, its a crazy ideal i know  but it just might work. we cant just keep taking more and more and think their will be know social , economic ,population ramifications is stupid !!!\n\nthey must understand we are for immigration not illegal immigration  this law was put in place for a REASON !!