athiests: how do you think human came to life????
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So atheists:  Where did the evolution come from? Where did the cell come from? Where did molecules come from? Where did the "BIG BANG" come from?
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Dear Sen831,\n\nYou request personal experience or evidence... \n\nI used to be an atheist. Over a period of time however, I grew convinced of the existence of the Christian God, and ultimately committed my life to Christ. \n\nFor a draft-version of my journey from atheism to Christ, see http://www.godsci.org/gs/chri/testimony/seek.html\n\nCan we believe the Bible? See http://www.godsci.org/gs/chri/bible.htm\n\nFor scientific and intellectual evidence for the existence of God, see http://www.godsci.org/gs/godsci/evidence.htm\n\nFor evidence for the historicity and truth of Jesus Christ, see http://www.godsci.org/gs/chri/jesus.htm\n\nCordially,\nJohn
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I would start with the origins of the universe ... if God created everything we see (and He did), then what is God like? What is our responibility to Him? What is His responsibility to us? Is it possible that we have offended God? If we have offended, what needs to happen to make it right? Has God communicated to His creation? How? Is it possible to know the absolute truth? What would God look like if He was in a Human body? How would God in human flesh treat people? What would he say? Why would a supreme God submit Himself to the ignomity of humanity? How would I relate to this God? What would this God require of me? Is there an afterlife? what is it like? \nJesus provides the answers to all these questions (and more).
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God has existed forever. He doesn't have a beginning and will never have an ending. I know it's impossible for us as humans to comprehend, but we have to believe it by faith. Our minds just can't comprehend it. \n\nI know that alot of people won't agree with what I just said, but can they come up with a better explanation? I don't think so.
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Neither were the first to be born.  Humans came from a large group of primates that evovled into humans, so there was never just one human to begin with.  Religion gives an oversimplified explanation of where humans came from with no evidence other than stories that were written thousands of years ago to prove their point.
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It is an eternal question that we'll never know the answer to until we are dead.  I'd sit there when I was younger and think who made God and who made the being that created God and who made that being.  I think our sense of beginning and end is not in line with the big picture.  Our minds aren't ready for the truth.
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Well, I am a believer but I will answer your question anyway---\n\nGod said: “Let us make man in our image.” (Ge 1:26) What a historic pronouncement! And what a singular position in history Adam, the “son of God,” holds—the first human creature! (Lu 3:38) Adam was the crowning glory of God's earthly creative works, not only because of the timing near the close of six creative epochs but, more importantly, because “in God’s image he created him.” (Ge 1:27) This is why the perfect man Adam, and his degenerate offspring to a much lesser degree, possessed mental powers and abilities far superior to all other earthly creatures.\nMade in the likeness of his Grand Creator, Adam had the divine attributes of love, wisdom, justice, and power; hence he possessed a sense of morality involving a conscience, something altogether new in the sphere of earthly life. In the image of God, Adam was to be a global administrator and have in subjection the sea and land creatures and the fowl of the air.\nIt was not necessary for Adam to be a spirit creature, in whole or in part, to possess Godlike qualities. God formed man out of the dust particles of the ground, put in him the force of life so that he became a living soul, and gave him the ability to reflect the image and likeness of his Creator. “The first man is out of the earth and made of dust.” “The first man Adam became a living soul.” (Ge 2:7; 1Co 15:45, 47) That was in the year 4026 B.C.E. It was likely in the fall of the year, for mankind’s most ancient calendars began counting time in the autumn around October 1, or at the first new moon of the lunar civil year. \nI hope this helps an unbeliever to believe.
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Your question is a very reasonable one --and brave, since you'll certainly get answers from religious zealots who have completely closed their minds.  Let me start by saying my *only* personal agenda is a search for the truth, no matter where it leads me.  Unlike many, I'm not here to shove my beliefs down anyone's throat. \n\nThe short answer is that I doubt it's possible in this kind of forum to get into enough details to convince a confirmed *creationist* that humans evolved from simpler life forms.  But I hope to encourage an open-minded person to continue with their own research, and not be tempted by overly "easy" answers.   \n\nThe long answer (most of it written by me, some of it transcribed manually; none of it pasted)...\n\nI, too, was unclear about the evolutionary process for a long time.  While I'm not an expert (and *nobody* has *all* the answers) I think I can help you get to a place where it makes *sense* to you as it now does to me, since you appear to have an open mind.  (Agnosticism is good!)  \n\nAfter hearing people's arguments and questions for many years, I am convinced that there are six huge factors getting in the way of a general acceptance of the *overwhelming* scientific evidence for evolution.  \n\n1 - the common misconception that evolution claims apes or chimpanzees changed to human beings, and the perceived indignity -- and indignation -- that goes along with that idea... or with *any* suggestion that we evolved from a lower form.  It's nothing but ridiculous human arrogance!\n2 - the lack of human conception for the vast time life has had on Earth to evolve\n3 - the human temptation to rush things and jump to ridiculous (and therefore naturally hard to believe) conclusions.  Evolution involves not three or four steps, like fish to amphibian to ape to human!)... not hundreds, or even thousands of big, visible steps... but perhaps hundreds of millions of minute, subtle changes in a life form.  Remember, we have had the time!\n4 - the mistaken notion that creatures evolved because they "decided" to, or "wanted" to.  When we say, for example, that fish needed to absorb oxygen more efficiently from the water, so they evolved gills, that's not to imply it was a choice.  Evolution is about mutations... changes that were random from one generation to the next, over long periods of time.  Those changes that happened to be good for the creature meant that creature survived long enough to reproduce, which meant there would now be lots of little babies with that same feature.\n5 - a fearful and/or stubborn refusal to abandon faith in a Creator, since doing so might condemn the unbeliever to eternal suffering\n6 - It's just *easier* to think about a Creator.\n\nI know you want to see some details of our "life's path" to make sense of it, and I will provide that, below.  Just a bit more, first.\n\nThe central ideas of evolution are that all life shares a common ancestor, and that it has changed over time (obviously, if we are to explain getting from A to B).  While it's hard for many people to imagine the changes that would result in, for example, human beings from lifelessness, the first thing to keep firmly in mind is that we are talking about an *unimagineable* amount of time to play with... the earth having been around for some 4.5 billion years, as you said.\n\nUnderstandably, few people can appreciate how much a billion is.  Do you realize that roughly a billion *seconds* ago, "The Godfather, Part 2" was about to win the Academy Award for Best Picture?... that Richard Nixon was President of the U.S.?... that Hank Aaron had just broken Babe Ruth's record of 714 career home runs?  1974 was drawing to a close -- one billion seconds ago.\n\nIt's a lack of appreciation for this vast amount of time which, I think, makes people skeptical.  They wonder how, in any amount of time they can envision, an ape can c
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yes I do. There is scientific evidence that we evolved from primates. I don't believe one man pointed his finger *boom* man was created. There was life before Christ, what makes anyone think it was Christ Himself that put the life here afterwords? \nBible thumpers are going to be all over me for this, but why should I believe a book? For all anyone knows, a really drunk author could have written the bible. I mean look at Scientology.. someone invented that religon. Completely made it up! And look at all of the followers. \nIf I was alive 2000 years ago and wrote a book about worshipping grasshoppers, would we all be praying to the 'almighty hopping insect'? \nSadly, no one will know if there is a God or not untill it is our time to go. \nI don't think we have to praise Him in order to go somewhere nice after death. As long as we are good people and live our life to the fullest, we will be happy in death.\n\nAnd 1 more thing: how come we can dig up fossils from dinosaurs (BC), but nothing to back up anything the bible says (AD)?
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MEIGHAN2006,\n\nIt is interesting that God created the whole universe and all the animals and plants, etc. by just speaking a word. When He made man, He got down in the dirt and planted a garden and then formed Adam from the dirt and breathed life – the eternal part – into him. Then He made Eve from one of Adam’s ribs.\n\nIt is amazing that God was able to make man and woman with a word, yet He showed love from the very beginning as He served His creation by planting a garden and then fashioning them similar to Himself. He has a heart to love and to serve and His rules for us are the same as the way He lives. He wants us to love and serve each other.\n\nIt is also interesting that He made water originate in the garden. The water didn’t flow through the garden, but came up from the ground in the garden and then formed 4 rivers leaving the garden. The garden was probably similar to heaven where there is water that flows from under His throne.\n\nIn my humble opinion, the living water in us is figurative of this water that flows from God’s throne. When we put ourselves on the throne, the flow is restricted or the water becomes stagnant. When God is enthroned in our hearts – when Jesus is our Lord, the living water flows freely. That is the abundant life.\n\nGod bless.
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Whoever wrote that knows nothing about atheism. \n\nI have lifelong experience with atheism; I have read extensively on the subject and know many other atheists personally, and not once have I ever heard anyone claim that they thought themselves into existence.  It's foolish, and it's also out of character for realists, as atheists tend to be.\n\nI have also never encountered an atheist who "worships himself as a god."  \n\nThe writer also drastically misunderstands Descartes.  "I think, therefore I am" is intended as a statement of philosophical proof, not as a description of how one came to be.  It means "the observable fact that I think is proof that I exist," not "I created myself by thinking."\n\nThe writer clearly pulled this mess of supposition and imaginings out of thin air.  I doubt she's knowingly met a single atheist in her life.  I'm hard-pressed to imagine how that answer could be made any less correct and less informed than it is.
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Though I do agree with you, people who are atheists or agnostics will try to give a theoretical explanation as to how they believe the earth came into existence without God. They would, of course, be deceived because even if we boil all of the "what if's" down to the Big Bang theory, you still have one very important question, "Where did the molecules come from?" Even science has to admit that something can't come from nothing. So, there would have to be a something, or more accurately, a Someone, who is intelligent, creative, and powerful to have created our entire universe.
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how can you beleive in a god when there is absolutely no proof no shred nothing at all to proof he exists except exerpts of him written in a book from a time when man still beleived the earth was flat??? what's to beleive anyways? that mary gave birth without having a male on top of her?...sorry...she was no virgin....that Noah built an ark and had all of the species on his boat for 40 days and 40 nights?....plus all the food to sustain them?....sh*t....we don't even have the technology to do that now....that Adam and Eve had children and then their children mated with each other and that they mated with their children in order to populate the world?...that god wasn't pleased with his creation of man?....that this almighty creator created a imperfect being?....like I said....what is there to believe?...oh...and to kingsroad....you are the one lying to yourself and everybody else if you think that....I did as a child....I am not going to lie about that....but I grew up and gained some wisdom....I studied the bible as well....it's full of bs....and it contradicts itself so many times throughout it how could you beleive seriously??....I find it ignorant that people do believe in god....and I don't lie because I have absolutely no reason to....don't sit there and tell people that everybody beleives in god because they don't.....you are the one lying
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Well God. i did the 'help' prayer and God helped. i KNEW God existed when my youth leader prophecied over the youth group and he told me something i had thought not even talked about. i was left with two choices either my youth leader was physic or God existed. since then god has blessed me with a whole host of spiritual gifts and now i just KNOW.\n\nno one sees the wind you can only feel it. i have also studied evolution recently and that it is biochemically impossible. the more i learn about the New World Order, seal of solomon etc and illuminati on dollar bills it makes more sense... you cant argue with fact... the more i read the bible the more it makes sense. for example, the fact that psalm 22 talks about roman torture aka crucifixion which is not Jewish and yet it was written 1000 years before JC was born same as scripture in Daniel, Micah , Isiah etc\n\ni am now hoping to go to bible college and become a minister...\n\nthis is a paper i wrote enjoy...\n\nEvolutionary scientific discoveries unwittingly make the human creation in the book of Genesis feasible to the point of affirmation.\n\nIntroduction\n\nIn the beginning “male and female He created them.” (Genesis 1, 27) This statement has been contested ever since the Age of Enlightenment when human beings with their development of knowledge set about challenging God’s authority in the world around them. Immanuel Kant’s motto “Dare to know” really symbolises the dominant modernistic attitude that was and continues to be embraced by humanity. God has no problem with us gaining knowledge- he invented science and has got it to a perfect art seeing as he spoke all the necessary components into being. Indeed knowledge is God-given to the point that it is one of the fruits of the spirit. Besides, if God really wanted us to remain ignorant of the world he wouldn’t have given us the Word. I therefore want to emphasise that it is only when we think we got here on our own, without God that we come into dispute with God and the truth. But rejection is nothing new to God, who is neither surprised nor shocked by our choices or actions. Before God even created the world he had sent his son to die “it was the Lord’s good plan to crush him” (Isaiah 53, 10) and before he created the universe God knew we would “turn our backs on him and look(ed) the other way.” (Isaiah 53, 3). The fact that Charles Darwin’s Origin of Species caused some controversy and drove people to reject Jesus as the truth was not a ‘heavy blow’ for Him. For one thing, and I say this tongue-in-cheek, if God is anything like me he had probably gotten ‘bored’ of waiting. After all there’s quite a bit of waiting between before the Planck epoch (for those who are interested the Planck epoch is the time between zero and 10-43 seconds of the beginning of the universe) and 1859! Regardless of this publication and the later The Descent of Man (1871) His plan would still prevail over all His creation. The plan had already succeeded before we emerged on day six. Everything else had already been put in place: Jesus’ death and resurrection and all the animals and plants. EVERYTHING! God did NOT need our help or our approval and if he didn’t need it then, he certainly doesn’t need it NOW. What is interesting is that as God allows our knowledge to deepen and technology to improve evidence, particularly genetic and fossilised, appears to be pointing towards the feasibility if not the affirmation of the ‘story’ of Adam and Eve foretold in Genesis.\n\nAssumptions of the Author\n\nBefore I go any further I am making the following interpretations and/or assumptions:\n\n•Evolution (at least in humans) does occur but only within species. I believe that whilst other animals may evolve we wouldn’t as we are God’s chosen creation made in His image. He never changes and thus nor have (or will) we. Within our species implies that if women suddenly found blue-eyed men to be a turn-of
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We are eternal spirit souls RIDING in the temporary VEHICLE of a human animal-mammal-primate-vertebrate-chordate-hominid Homo sapiens. Genetically inherited animal vehicles are born, eat, mate-breed, defend, sleep, get ill, cheat, steal, die. Genetically inherited ego structures-intellect-minds and personalities assist the body in these things so the karmic wheel of this huge cosmic computer-machine can keep on turning.  We are different from-superior to animals in one KEY AREA.  As humans we have the ability to ask the correct-wise-higher questions of WHO AM I REALLY AND WHY AM I HERE REALLY. Animals can't-don't do that! Answer to these questions are to know, love, serve, remember and glorify the Creator, and to know the difference between the three items listed below, not just say you believe and go to church for hour on sunday and be kinda "good" when you feel like it. It takes effort, grace, willpower and mercy!\n\nDo you know the difference between:\n\nillusion and Truth\ntemporary and Eternal\nmatter and Spirit\n\nOnce we KNOW who we REALLY are, why we are REALLY here (Bhakti Prema) then we can go back to the Eternal Home where we can serve the Creator. Until then, we are just here playing with matter, trying to be controllers and enjoyers of matter and the material world and play the role of "little pseudo-gods" instead of doing what He wants. Once we want to play with Spirit more than matter then we have BEGUN the REAL PURPOSE of human life, to NOT BE ANIMALS-INHUMANE.....but to become Self and God Realized (not ego realized!) and go back Home. Thus, most humans are behaving like animals.  \n\nEstimates are that about\n\n5-6% of humans are infant souls\n20 % baby souls\n30% young souls%\n33% mature souls\n10% old souls \n\nTypically it is not until souls are "later old souls," probably the last 2%,that humans start to REMEMBER the real purpose of life and are INTERESTED-COMMITTED in its deep pursuit. Christ came to help humans open their hearts and become at least "mature human" if they can do what He teaches instead of living the Old Testament animal way of "eye for an eye." Compassion is one of His many major teachings. If humans are incapable of love-compassion on any level, then they are animal Homo sapiens.  Some dogs are more compassionate, kind, caring, serving, devoted than some humans.\n\nbody\nmind\nintellect\nintelligence\nego\nSpirit\n\nThis is the "order of hierarchy-lowest to highest" of our utilizable components while here.  Once Spirit runs the show we are spiritual beings riding within a human experience.  But if body-mind-intellect-ego are "trying to run the show," then we are just animals, fancy and intellectually sharp sometimes, but not truly human-humane.\n\nStages of development of love (in order) include:\n\nnurturance\nbonding\nalliance\nreciprocity\nunderstanding-comprehension\nappreciation-gratitude\naltruism-selfless service\nagape-unconditional love\n\nIf we aren't doing these,then we must be going down the rung to lower animal behavior, aka "hell on earth".\n\nIf you can be tolerant and "agree to disagree" then you can be a "civilized human", but if not, the following DOWNHILL ANIMAL CANCER spreads:\n\ndisagree\naggravation-grudge-repressed anger-frustration\ncivil disputes\nfeuds-gang-regional warfare\ncriminal disputes\nwar (>1000 die over a specific issue)\nannihiliation\n\nbut the highest level of spiritual love (the only true-deepest love) is Prema!\n\nHave a great day-life!
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Atheists believe that at death one ceases to exist. There is no afterlife or eternal soul that continues in eternity. All there is to look forward to is our inevitable death, the future death of mankind, and the universe. It is in the face of this future that the atheist must seek to find meaning and purpose for his own existence.\n\nThe Eastern and New Age religions that hold to a pantheistic worldview teach that one goes through an endless cycle of reincarnation until the cycle is broken and the person becomes one with the divine. What form a person becomes in the next life depends on the quality of life lived in the previous life. When one unites with the divine, he ceases to exist as an individual, but becomes part of the divine life force, like a drop of water returning to the ocean.\n\nThose who hold to the animistic or tribal religions believe that after death the human soul remains on the earth or travels to join the departed spirits of the ancestors in the underworld, also called the realm of the shadows. For eternity they wander in darkness, experiencing neither joy nor sorrow. Some of the spirits of the deceased may be called upon to aid or torment those on earth.\n\nIslam teaches that at the end of history, God will judge the works of all men. Those whose good deeds outweigh their bad deeds will enter into paradise. The rest will be consigned to hell. The Koran teaches that in paradise men will be drinking wine and entertained by heavenly maidens and that they may take several of these maidens for their wives.\n\nMost worldviews must accept their belief in the afterlife on untested faith, but the Christian hope is sure for two reasons; the resurrection of Christ and the testimony of God's Word. The Bible gives us the true view of what happens after death. However, many Christians have a misunderstanding of the afterlife. Some believe that they become one of the angels, others believe they go into a state of "soul sleep," while others believe they will be floating on clouds playing harps. In this article, we will examine some popular misconceptions of what lies beyond the grave and perceive what the Bible teaches.\n\nChristians can be assured that death is not something to be feared. Instead, at death we arrive home in heaven. To live means we exist in a foreign country. Death has lost its sting and now is a victory through the resurrection of Jesus our Lord.\n\n\ndeathonline.net/decomposition/index.htm
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None taken, it is an honest question. I agree with gratvol and would like to elaborate with a question. Where in the entire Jewish lineage, with all its copius notes, did the Torah move from actual people to storybook characters? Because the record is precise and repeated, then these were actual people that lived.\n\nThe simple fact that you even asked the question is your proof. Think about it. You have a physical machine called a body that is able to use its mind to ponder the question, relay visual information from a physical world of comparable low-tech computers through the optic nerve, into the brain, with the mind to comprehend the ramifications, then transfer that thought process to an incredibly complex systems of nerves, tendons, and touch to the fingers to type the letters. This then communicates a question of the soul. That soul is concerned for the existence of an eternal destiny beyond time and space--that there is a world beyond the physical world we see in the here and now. You are an incredible creation who has been given the free will choice to believe, or not believe. A being that can love, write poetry, paint or play works of incredible complexity and beauty. To smell, and taste, enjoy. \n\nThe existence of God as well as the Bible being the Word of God (hence the existance of Adam and Eve as well) can be proved through the vehicle of prophecy. To see the evidence of this, we must first establish the fact that God is a spirit who dwells outside of our physical time domain--that is, in eternity. In the Bible, God describes Himself in Isaiah 57:15,  \n\n"For thus says the High and Lofty One Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: 'I dwell in the high and holy place, with him who has a contrite and humble spirit.'" \n\nIf God dwells in the realm of eternity as the Bible states, then He must be able to declare future events as if they had happened in the past. We who live in the physical restraints of time and space have the disadvantage of seeing the world according to a timeline. But God sees the past and the future as one complete picture. \n\n"Remember the former things of old, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure,'" Isaiah 46:9-10 \n\nSo through the vehicle of prophecy, God throws down the gauntlet to all the other "holy books" and all the other "gods" that dare to claim the title. The God of the Bible challenged in Isaiah 41:22-23, \n\n"Let them bring forth and show us what will happen; let them show the former things, what they were, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare to us things to come. Show the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods; yes, do good or do evil, that we may be dismayed and see it together." \n\nOK, there is the challenge from the God of the Bible. No other book contains prophecy that has been fulfilled with accuracy. Some would say that others twist scripture interpretation to make prophecy "appear" to be fulfilled. A silly notion, seeing that so many of these prophecies (that were fulfilled to the letter) were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls--written many years before fulfillment. I have written one study based on one chapter in Daniel. In it can be found 16 in-depth prophecies regarding the rise of Alexander the Great and the subsequent rule of his generals afterward. I have paralleled the prophecy with the fulfillment from historic literature. You can find the study here http://tinyurl.com/lhwnb