Gay marriage, gay families?
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I support gay marriage, and here's why.\n\n1. Gay marriage would in no way threaten traditional marriage any more than it is already. Straight couples do a good enough job of that themselves.\n\n2. Sure gay couples can't have biological children of their own. But if it's gonna be illegal for that reason, then straight couples who can't have kids shouldn't be able to get married either.\n\n3. While some religions prohibit gay marriage, this should have no bearing on US government policy. Separation of church and state, remember?\n\n4. To those who say homosexuality isn't natural: how many animals have you watched lately? There's plenty of gay cats and dogs and whatever else.\n\n5. Kids aren't any more likely to turn out gay with gay parents than they are with straight parents. Considering that most gay people today came from straight families, I don't see a correlation between sexuality of the parents and sexuality of the kids.
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Yes...although I'm thinking this wasn't the place to ask this question...unless you're looking for a fight.  You will invariably get rude and hateful answers.  Since you don't have any history, it's impossible for me to guage if you asked this to see others' views on the subject or if you are gay and wanting to marry.\n\nI am a strong advocate for gay marriage.  I'm straight myself, but I have quite a few gay friends and I like to think of myself as somewhat liberal.  Who are we to define who should and should not get married?  Granted, anything within a family is sick and wrong (although I'm sure there are some people out there that will beg to differ with me - but I've seen in places that the result of children from incestuous relationships often have severe abnormalities)...and I agree with NoMorLuv that anything involving animals (beastiality) is also wrong.  They can not speak for themselves.  Multiple partners, not okay either.  \n\nThat remains simple.  Set a law establishing that a marriage is a union between 2 persons - be it a man and a woman, 2 men or 2 women.  That's it.  1 union per 2 people, not related by blood.  There ya go.  Solves that.  Why can't 2 guys get married in most states?  Why can't 2 women?  Why does it matter?  \n\nI'll tell you why - because you have the religious types (nope, not quite sure where my faith lies) that say that it is wrong in the Bible.  I thought God was supposed to love you no matter what?  No matter what your sexual orientation?  I've seen people post here that if you repent for your sins (ie homosexuality - I saw it on a post concerning lesbians going to hell) that God will forgive you.  Why should you have to repent for loving someone of the same sex?  That implies that it's wrong, when it's not.  So what if you're the same sex?  As long as you love each other, that's what's important.\n\nIn my mind, I think that a marriage should be just as stated above.  It's a commitment to love and honor your spouse, no matter what.  I have a very close friend at work (he lives in Massachusetts - where gay marriage is legal) who is married to another man and he can't be happier!  And you know what, I can't be happier for him!  \n\nPeople say that by allowing gays to marry, it will destroy the sanctity of marriage.  Will not.  Like said, it shouldn't matter as long as there is love and commitment there!  \n\nPlus, there's the whole children thing.  Just because Mary has 2 moms (or 2 dads) doesn't mean that she will grow up to be a lesbian.  It's more important to show a loving relationship than the sex of the parents.  Homosexuality is not something that is induced by surroundings or peers, it's just something that happens.  Nor is it an abbhoration, as I've also seen people post here.  Damn people and their closed minds.  It's actually been seen in young children, sometimes they just don't know it yet.  I believe it's something that is just predetermined...a lot of gay people (mostly men) that I've talked to said they always knew.  Actually, my married friend was married to a woman once...he thought he might change!  (I saw that here too...someone said with enough of the right counselling they can "become" straight!)  So it really doesn't matter who your parents are, as long as they're happy.\n\nBesides, why should they be denied the benefits of being married just because they're not man/woman?  Gay people need health insurance too!  (No smart comments, future posters, please!)  Life insurance?  Then again, some plans might let you place a sibling or what not as a beneficiary.  There's the tax break (although that's not as big of a reason but it is still a reason)...\n\nSo all that being said...YES.\n\n\nPS - Thanks for the clarification.  I'm all for it.  If you don't live in a state where gay marriage is legal yet, lobby for
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In response to Pieceo..whatever, are you comparing gay men and women to monkeys?  You probably don't think Americans of African descent should be allowed to vote either huh?  Our present government is a fascist regime that feels the need to micromanage its subjects.\nCivil unions are not an exceptable substitute.  Why?  Because they do not come with the tax breaks and financial advantages that marriage does.\nPeople say that the "sanctity of marriage" should not be tainted by gay love.  I challenge that.  I think that the "sanctity of marriage " is tainted by people who are abusive, and in loveless marriages because society says you should not get a divorce, or society says you should be married by a certain age.  Isn't love the basis for marriage?  To have and to hold for better or for worse?  What part of those vows can a homosexual not fulfill?  \nBIG BREATH. okay, I need to stop ranting now.  sorry  Oh and by the way, the reason people first came to live in this great country was to get away from oppression, because there ARE countries that are much worse.  Let us never forget this is the Land of the FREE and Home of the Brave.\nI'm really done now.
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"The Gay Agenda" ? Have not read it nor have I ever seen it...interesting though. However, I am Gay and have been with my Partner, registered as we live in California,  for 10 years. Our agenda is to raise our 9 year old son, who is, by the way,  an honor student for all of you right wing crackpots out there,  and be a happy family. We work, do laundry, homework, take vacations, cleanhouse, spend time with Grandmas, Grandpas, cousins, Aunts and Uncles...not really exciting as far as an "agenda" goes. I'd say it's pretty much the same agenda a heterosexual family would have...I was raised in one you know.
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I always find it interesting that the classic gay argument in favour of gay parenting is something like, "I suppose it's better for two heterosexual serial killers to raise a child than a nice gay couple!!"\n\nLOL!!!
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I guess this isn't a question for me. I'm for it. They just want to be a family like anyone else. And it's unconstitutional that they don't have equal rights. Marriage is not a religious institution. It is practiced all over the world in all religions. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD. It is about 2 people coming together, making the promise to love each other solely, and starting a family together. More over it does not effect anyone outside of their marriage. What is it hurting? I don't know, you tell me.
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Nope gay peoples should never allowed to get married.\nBecause marriage for for a man and a woman and it leads to a family. They should find their way of dealing with each other and leave the marriage thing for people who wants to have a family
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Gay marriage is absolutely a civil rights issue.  By preventing any two consenting adults from marrying, solely because of their homosexuality, you are discriminating against them.  It is unfair for gay couples to be prevented from marrying.  \nA common argument (of fundamentalists) is that since a gay couple cannot naturally reproduce, they should not be allowed to marry. But many straight couples cannot naturally reproduce either. Another common argument is that gay marriage will promote pedophilia. Statistically, most pedophiles are straight white males. \nGay marriage does not affect anyone but the couple themselves. It will not "turn" anyone gay. It will give couples equal rights to insurance, shared property, and the same rights as a heterosexual married couple.  \nWhile each of us has the right to our own personal belief about whether or not homosexuality is, as you said, an "abomination", we do not have the right to force our personal beliefs on others in such a way as would affect their lives and happiness permanently.  \nAfter all, if someone told you you could not marry solely because you were straight, I imagine you would be upset. Straight may be normal to you and I; but to gay couples, being gay is their reality.
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If you're talking about heterosexual couples who have been together long enough to be considered married, it's entirely possible.  \nMy mother did inform me, however, that "for the safety of their children", the referendum in this last election to modify the state constitution to include gay unions was declined.
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Start here for more or less neutral look at the issue:\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#Controversy
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OMG! I feel that gay people are just as entitled as anyone else to be married.........I've seen on TV where people have ceremonies for their dogs to get married..........I don't see what the freaking big deal is...........who cares, they want to be together, let them share the responsibility of marriage that everyone else is privilaged to
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Neither of your families would do that, however alot of gays and lesbians have families who are not accepting of their relationship, therefore their family would and could do that. \n\nAs well as insurance and filing joint tax returns and things of that nature...\n\nThere are alot, some of which I dont even know about but the one that concerns me the most is the immediate family policy in hospitals. Not a blood relative or legal spouse, not admitted. Inheritance rights for children. The decision of what to do with my remains, my significant other knows this more than my mother, and i trust her more to abide with my wishes. \n\nSocial security for children we may have been raising.\n\nBlood relatives can actually fight a will and win in court against the partner of a deceased person.\n\nI'm sure there are alot that I'm even missing, but most importantly, the legal right to do so. I want to marry the person I love.\n\nAnd that old adam and eve not adam and steve crap is so played out. Anyone who takes the bible to literally mean God created ONE man and ONE woman too populate the earth is a complete and utter moron. Or shall I say an incetuous moron...
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Let's okay gay marriages.  Then let's okay polygamous marriages. Then let's okay pedophiles marriage with children.  And we can okay cross dressers to marry themselves.  We don't want anyone to feel left out.  That wouldn't be fair.
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Two people who willfully choose to join themselves in a committed relationship and who plan to stick it out through the good times and bad times, come hell or high water.\n\nSince this is the LGBT forum, I will add this. I am really angry about all the hoopla about gay marriage going on in my country (US) right now. So many people keep saying marriage is a one man + one woman only affair, but the fact of the matter is that marriage, at least in the US, is a LEGAL MATTER. If you choose to have a religious ceremony, it isn't legal until you get the marriage license issued by the state. Since it's a legal contract, I find it obscene that anyone wants to legislate that it can only be between a man and a woman. If marriage was simply a religious affair, then I would say it was up to the religious leaders of that faith to say who can and who cannot be married, but I find it repugnant that some people are not allowed to enter into a binding legal agreement simply because they happen to be of the same sex. The simple fact that I have two X chromosomes, and my partner is an XY gives us, automatically, all sorts of rights and privileges that are denied to other couples because they are the same sex. I am weary of people saying, "well, they can go to an attorney and make sure that they inherit each other's stuff, and they can go to an attorney and legally adopt each other's kids, and they can go to an attorney and give each other medical power of attorney, and they can go to an attorney..." because all of that stuff was just given to me and my husband when we married. No one in a committed relationship should have to spend thousands of dollars in legal fees getting their ducks in a row so that when something happens to one of them they can end up with a rotten judge in court and have it overturned in favor of "next of kin", who are, sadly, not always mindful of what their dearly departed would have wanted. It's all just offensive to me. \n\nOkay, sorry for the outburst. I will put my soapbox away now.
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Good point! \nI also believe that homosexual marriages have no bearing on religion. Giving a legal marriage to a gay couple is not the same as forcing all churches in America to accept and perform the marriages. I really don't see why religion has a say in it, since I do believe in the seperation between church and state, and since no one's forcing all the religious damning homophobes to suddenly accept homosexuality. \nIt's very relatable to interracial marriages. And no it won't lead to beastiality or incest becoming legalized, since beastiality is just stupid and wrong and no one can say that one can love a cow, and incest is genetically wrong, so that won't ever be legalized either, don't give me your snowball fallacies.
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You're right it is amazing how all these hetero couples have managed to raise gay children. That should give people a clue but it doesn't seem to. There is not a thing wrong with gay people raising children. Love is what a child needs it doesn't matter to them if you are gay or not.
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I think gay marriage is the least of our problems right now.\n\nLet 'em get married if they want.  If you don't believe in gay marriage- don't marry one!  Seriously.  \n\nAs someone once said, "I think gay people should be allowed to get married.  They deserve to be as miserable as the rest of us."\n\nBTW... England now allows for same-sex unions.  They don't seem to be doing bad.  In fact, their economy is MUCH better than ours!