curious about the point of the immigration issue...?
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I think more people are upset at the fact that illegal immigrants are not paying income taxes but are receiveing free services.\nI have to tell clients of mine (all the time) that pursuing a case costs more than what they would recover if we were successful.\nI think that trying to stop the ILLEGAL immigration problem is going to cost much more than what we spend in benefits.\n\nThese are VERY technical economic questions - that even the smartest economists in the world argue about.  \n\nChances are there is no real answer to these questions.  They are simply politically motivated issues that help get people elected.\n\nDOn't fall for it!
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its a condradictin issue...like every single aspect of it...\npolitics is jus 1 big cycle dats nvr ending...ppl pretend 2 b good...get gov't help...then rag on every else...\neven if u r in a different country its da same thing...da president from mexico acts as if this immigration thing is a scam...wen he kicks it w/ bush 24/7...& u kno dats politics.\nyea its morally rite 2 help da fellow US citizens...but think bout...who does all da work dat da whites & blacks (not being racial but dats da term used very often) dont want 2 do? da immigrants! no 1 sees dat...u think those farms plow or grow themselves...no! they give us food...u kno wat they give us life. da issue here is all politicians bieng kind of ignorant...so try & get ppl 2 bak them up...u kno u baks them up? racist individuals who wen they hear da word "immigrants" they automatically point & me...or any other hispanic/mexican around...those ppl judge w/o knowin & follow watever da leaders of da country say. i get tired of gettin in verbal arguements @ skool or jus about anywhere cuz of this...all i hear is "u r born in america...u r hispanic/mexican...y do u support immigrants"? u kno wat i answer 2 all those things? dat life isnt based on where u were born or who u think has da rite judgment...its about who u r as a person. welfare is relly only given 2 those who lie about their fianacial situation...get da welfare so they wont waste a cent! last but certainly not least...EVERY1 IN THIS COUNTRY IS AN IMMIGRANT! hello?!? america was discovered a LONG time ago...so my point is: this is native land! not 1 of us has da rite 2 "TRY" & block out da immigrants...FYI: an immigrant can b of ANY ethnicity...how come they only point out da hispanics? wat bout da asains & all those europeans & God knows who else?\n\nITS COOL U BROT THIS TOPIC UP! its an issue dat cannot b understood & solved w/ a simple bill...i'm only 15...born in US...yet, im called an immigrant. i dont get it?!?
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a civil war... over this?!  That is a melodramatic statement.  Is the issue out of hand?  yes.  People tend to complicate things before they solve them.  \n\nI've written the following into several discussions but here's a suggested solution:\n\n\nThe reality is that US immigration policy is inherently racist.  The moment you use a quota system in a lottery to figure out who can come in, you are a racist. We need to resolve this once and for all.  Amnesty won't work because we don't enforce the laws.  America tried amnesty some twenty years ago, and here we are,\n\nFor the record, it's not just Mexicans, but illegal immigrants from anywhere including Western/Eastern/Central Europe, Asia, Africa, and South/Central America.\n\nWhat we need to do is resolve our racist policies the following is an example of what I would do:\n\n1.Simplify the process\na.Charge $3000, USD.\nb.Request proof of birth, proof of no criminal record, work history and 6 references\n\n2.Give a specific time-frame say 1 year.\n\n3.No quotas, if you pass, you pass.  If you don’t pass, you are not welcome, not even to visit.\na.If you don’t pass there must be an initial review to make sure nothing was missed\nb.There should be a 1 time appeal.  The results of which can not be contested.\n\n4.Once in the US, you are on a temp status for the next 6 years.  If you want permanent status, then you must prove the following:\na.You have worked/gone to school,\nb.Paid all relevant taxes (local, state, federal),\nc.Committed no crimes, \nd.Have a minimum capacity of functional English (speak/read/write).\n\n5.Complete all of item 4 and you get your initial application fee back (less interest).\n\n6.Any illegal in the US at the time of the law would be allowed to submit their papers locally without fear of incarceration (unless other criminal issues attach)\n\n7.Make it a crime to hire illegal immigrants.  With a simple formula:  Whoever is responsible for hiring  does 5 years for each illegal hired; this could only be served sequentially, not concurrently.\n\n8.For anyone who opts to remain illegal or come here illegally after the new immigration standard:  \na.No benefits; not medical, dental, no drivers’ licenses, no emergency room visits, nothing.\nb.The same would apply for the children of illegal immigrants born here.\n\n9.The key is that immigration must be reasonable and fair.\n\nAs for the illegal immigrants here now, well they should submit the same documentation and expect no preference during the approval process.  They should be allowed to stay here during the process.  If found to be unacceptable, jail and then deportation.
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Racism is a valid concern in this country.  However, it is not a valid argument in the immigration debate.\n\nThere is nothing racist about the law.  Either you follow it or you break it.  It's really quite simple.
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What exactly is the problem?\n\nDo we have too many immigrants or too few?\n\nDo they help our economy or hinder it?\n\nDo they pose extra social issues or do they add to our culture?\n\nDoes immigration allow British industry to ensure we have the best skilled and most capable workforce or does it dilute our skills and capabilities?\n\nI'm afraid the 'problem' needs better definition.
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The border policy is bull. And honestly, it's in the news and all, but the people I talk to in Southern California.. we don't care! It's just the media hype making it out to be a bigger deal than it is (I hope). To get a little stereotypical, what would we possibly do without Mexicans?? Honestly, who would cook, clean, cut grass, wash the dishes, and do all the other jobs that nobody else wants?? And they are not stealing our jobs, because nobody wants them! And if a Mexican is smart enough to compete with us for jobs (not saying they aren't, many many are!) then that is great! Who are we to decide who gets what? Honestly, the crimes that some of them commit aren't enough to deport an entire group of people. And finally, for the kicker.. WE ALL ENTERED THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY! I hate that argument, but honestly, it is true.
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wow - that's an overgeneralized statement, don't ya think?\n\nHate is a very strong word...\n\nI believe it's the ILLEGAL part of immigration that most people have a problem with - not the immigration itself.\n\nLast time I checked the US was a FREE, Democratic society - you can't just throw someone out - unless they are here ILLEGALLY that is... \n\nThank God for that!
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the main issue, which everybody is not considering is the (ILLEGAL) immigration, not the immigration itself, the US is open for legal immigration, so why go illegal ? just to not pay taxes? why didnt illegals fix their situation ? they were given too many chances.
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No. It's not worth the hassle of going thru the charade.  \nPretending for Immigration is a full time job.  You have to become a professional liar to get and keep your story straight.  Not worth it!
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well, this illegal problem has been brewing for yrs, even since the last amnesty. this has been an issue that politicians hav avoided for at least 10-15 yrs, but since no one wants to focus on IRAQ & GAS prices, the immigration prob will do for now. this problem has been the cause of our gvmt & employers who indeed make it easy for illegals to work & stay here. ppl r just p*ssed off cuz it has been blown up & its easier to hate & assimilate than it is to hav a voice & an open mind. personally, i think that the honest, hard working non-recipients of public assistance should b able 2 stay if they pass a background check, etc.. after all, the blame should b placed on the American gvmt & Americans. people will treat u the way u allow them to treat u- & dam we've let it go on 4 so long we as americans r to blame. but that's me & we're all entitled to our own opinion-or lack there of.
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Great point!!! It might go over Pro-illegals heads though...
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How about the Immigration issue or global warming?\nBoth are highly controversial issues.
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Immigration is not an issue but ILLEGAL immigration certainly is... I agree with what you say but what you failed to say is these illegal aliens are more dangerous to middle-class Americans that al qaeda could ever be...the difference is blowing up a few thousand or killing the future of a whole country & it's citizens!
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This is a very serious issue that can not be summed up in just a few words due to the sensitivity of the problem and I say problem because it is !\nImmigration into the US must be stopped on an illeagal plane due to the safety issues there are some that feel that none of them belong herebut to them I say "do you belong here and why" they were probably born here and have citizenship by rights but if you think back we are all decendants of immigrants to this country and to all those who wish to come to our country legally I say "welcome" but you must follow the proper way to gain entry and you must pay the taxes for the services you use because I am not going to support your family while you are here !!!!! I am also a little confused by the second part of your answer white or mexican? I am an American and wether I am black white or of mexican origin should and does not matter but if you are wondering my color?I am a white male and proud to have black and hispanic freinds!
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As far as the immigration issue, I have no problem with anyone wanting to immigrate, but why all of the sneaking over? Does it just take so long to go through all of the red tape or something? Just curious. I didn't see any of the previous postings, but you are completely correct! Unless you are of American-Indian descent, TECHNICALLY none of the rest of our bloodlines originated in what is now the United States! It frustrates and saddens me to see that people are still so ignorant. Even more so when I see them passing these beliefs and attitudes down to their young children! I think there is no greater crime than that! Where did the innocence of youth go? Way to go though. Great topic!
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It is unclear how much of this is going forward.  It is clear that the Bush administration, who are globalists, did try to have discussion continue without public scrutiny.  For example, when Congressman Tancredo recently called for public hearings to find out what is going on, the press was told that the names of Americans on the working groups were not being given out 'so they wouldn't be distracted by the public'.  Compare this to Canada where the names of the people on the working groups are on the government web page.\n\nBush thinks it would be dandy to have free immigration here from Mexico for cheap labor for employees, only screening for security.  The Senate Immigration bill which contained elements having us buy and give to Mexico equipment and training for patrolling their SOUTHERN border is possibly part of this - so Bush could ease up restrictions on their northern, our southern, border.\n\nWe don't know what is going on, and some of what is guessed is probably wrong.  However, it is disturbing that these discussions have been going on for more than a year and we know so little about it.\n\nI don't know if an 'Amero' is in the works.  However, the overall idea might work with a generally equal economy like Canada.  With Mexico it would flood our services including education.  Middle class tax payers would foot the bill while corporate employers benefit from cheap labor.
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There are probably facts for the other side, for immigrants, but I can't tell you about those because I am against them. As you know, there are always at least two sides to an issue. Good job for listening to both sides. A lot of people just hard-headedly choose one without hearing the other out. I picked my side on beliefs and try to be somewhat polite when in debates, but it can be hard :)