Lucifer gods the 1st angel\ngot pissd on conditions&that god distinguished rights between angels&man\nLucifer started revolution 2change this\nRevolution lost\nLucifer left heaven&started hes own refuge\n\nI imagine god was unhappy about incident,& only infosource about hell is “him”&rumors.Would u advertise ur enemies country as“land where all beings disagree with me/wont follow moral codex can live together in harmony”?We all know this would not be very wise of the bible to say\nwhat better opportunity 2 make man scared,there is no way verify info anyhow\ndont u think an angel must have been fairly pissd 2 start revolution?+he had followers,so there must have been a#of angels sharing Lucifers opinions\n\nIs it not just a bit weird he/followers are SO UNHAPPY that they started this on a supposedly so wonderful/magical place that every1 supposed to be endlessly happy/content 4ethirnity?\nAssume angels as pure energy beings are free of schizophrenia/depression,they might had valid/logical reason?
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If I understand you correctly, you want to know why Satan would choose to blow his citizenship in heaven?\n\nI think pride blinded him.  He didn't know about hell.  Hell wasn't a reality until the first betrayal so far as I know.
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They dont believe in God, how can they believe he abandoned them? Devil and God go together---believe in neither!
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Good questions!  I like good subjest matter.  God is not some bug eyed monster up in the sky.  Why would he be all hateful when he needs us as much as we need him?  We do have free will, and i can do whatever i want because of it, but heres the rub, i was created by something with a view of the bigger picture.  So by virture of where i was born and my personality there are huge sections of human reality that will never even occur to me to do because of who and what i was made to be. Example : kiss my boyfriend, you betcha!; eat chocolate covered ants, hell no!
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Cain was concerned with the people that the Elohim created BEFORE the christian god created Adam and Eve.\n\nHeck.  I would be concerned and scared too if I were being sent out into a world among people I don't know after my parents isolated me from everything else.\n\n=======================\n\nThe following is an Article published six or seven years ago in Green Egg.\n\n*We Are the Other People*\n\nby Oberon (Otter) Zell\n\n"Ding-dong!" goes the doorbell. Is it Avon calling? Or perhaps Ed McMahon with my three million dollars? No, it's Yahweh's Witlesses again, just wanting to have a nice little chat about the Bible... Boy, did they ever come to the wrong house! So we invite them in: "Enter freely and of your own will..." (Hey, it's Sunday morning, nothing much going on, why not have a little entertainment?) Diane and I amuse ourselves watching their expressions as they check out the living room: great horned owl on the back of my chair; ceremonial masks and medicine skulls of dragons and unicorns on the wall; crystals, wands, staffs, swords; lots of Goddess figures and several altars; boa constrictors draped in amorous embrace over the elkhorn; white doves sitting in the hanging planters; cats and weasels underfoot; iron dragon snorting steam atop the wood stove; posters and paintings of wizards and dinosaurs and witchy women, some proudly naked; sculptures of mythological beasties and lots more dinosaurs; warp six on the star-filled viewscreen of my computer; a five-foot model of the USS Enterprise and the skeleton of a plesiosaur hanging from the ceiling; very, very many books, most of them dealing with obviously weird subjects... To say nothing of the great horned owl perched on the back of my chair and the Unicorn grazing in the front yard. You know; early Addams Family decor. And then, of course, it being late in the morning, you can expect Morning Glory to come wandering out naked, looking for her wake-up cup of tea. Morning Glory naked is a truly impressive sight, and the Witlesses look as if she'd set titties on stun as they stand immobilised, hands clasped over their genitals. With the stage set and all the actors in place, the show is ready to begin.\n\nTheir mission, of course, is to save our heathen souls by turning us on to "The Word of the Lord"- their Bible. I guess they figure some of us just haven't heard about it yet, and we're all eagerly awaiting their joyous tidings of personal salvation through giving our rational faculties to Jesus. Every time they come around, I look forward to trying out a new riposte. Sure, it may be cruel and sadistic of me, but hey, I didn't call them up and ask them to come over; they entered at their own risk! This time should be pretty good. After letting them run off their basic rap while lovely Morning Glory serves us all hot herb tea, I innocently remark: "But none of that applies to us. We have no need for salvation because we don't have original sin. We are the Other People."\n\n"Hunh? What?" they reply eloquently. It's clear they've never heard this one before. "\n\nRight," I say. "It's all in your Bible." And I proceed to tell them the story, using their own book for reference: (Genesis 1:26) The [Elohim] said, "Let us make humanity in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild beasts and all the reptiles that crawl upon the earth." Elohim is a plural word, including male and female, and should properly be translated "Gods" or "Pantheon." (1: 27) The Gods created humanity in the image of themselves, In the image of the Gods they created them, Male and female they created them. (1:28) The Gods blessed them, saying to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and conquer it. Be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of he
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Yes, it is. Lucifer is in an active state of hostilities against the entire world. I wouldn't call it a war, simply because God beat the snot out of him when Jesus died on the Cross. Lucifer can never win against God, because God knew before He created the universe that His creation would rebell against Him, so He decided to make Angels and Man much less powerful than He is. The only way Lucifer can win in your life is if you let him. But be wary of the consequences: an eternity in Hell, completely devoid of any and all hope and peace. The only things there are pain, suffering, regrets, and an extremely unquenchable thirst. Choose wisely, for you never know what tomorrow may bring.
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Satan was not the "best" but the most beautiful and he held a posistion that was one of the highest, a "coverer" Angels worshiped God like they do now before humans existed. Satan's source of greed and pride is from himself.
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Good one....\n\nGOD, if IT exists in "NONE OF THE ABOVE" (NOTA)\n\nThe God of the Bible, a person, a man, and a jealous, angry, who has favourites, and chosen or "enlightened" is just an ancient "tribal" concept of God of which there are many and is not the ONE (CREATOR) that is ALL (the CREATION) or the UNIVERSE or MULTIVERSE.\n\nThe sun does not "reward the good" by shining more on them and curse the "bad" by witholding its light.  We are, as the Egyptians thought, all made of Star stuff and without the sun, we would all die but we don't call the sun the a person's name.  The same for the Galaxy or the UNIVERSE.  We keep our names for these "life-giving" geometries and objects neutral and "objective" names.  We should do the same with the CREATOR of ALL.\n\nI like to call it the ONE\n\nThe ONE is numeric, neutral, is not gender-based and will not respond even if we all pray to IT together in a "temple" or church.\nThe ONE is not emotional (jealous, angry, lustful etc) but is peaceful and violent, is quiet and noisy, in other words is ALL...\n\nThe Biblical God, being one of the minor tribal gods, as the name comes from the germanic 4th century tribe the Goths and their cousins the "Visigoths" (children of Goth or "god"), and the Vandals (from which we got: "vandalism").  To keep their word for the "CREATOR" after their empire is long defunct is not very "intellectual".  Also when you think that no one in the bible calls the Creator by that name but use the words Yahweh, or Elohim for the two tribes that formed the original state of Israel.  Another Biblical name is the I AM THAT I AM (Moses on Mount Sinai) \n\nSo the God of children of Abraham is only one of the many desert gods in our long history of "MONOTHEISM".  These many gods have kept us at war with one another and have frightened the "sh.t" out of many children, and have made others commit atrocious crimes.\n\nThis leads us back to your question...The story is Biblical and the ONE is neither of those Biblical Characters as they are "persons" and the ONE is a "SPIRIT" and is not a HE, a SHE, but an IT or a SHE/HE/IT. at the very least...\n\nCyril Borg, the Cyborg
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Satan created mankind. All of the ancient texts point to this. Christianity and judaism have tortured Satan's name for their own benefit. I feel that everything I have in life I owe to Him, and He rewards me every day. Other religions teach people to be stupid. "Dont eat from the tree of knowledge!"  Well I say "why not???"  You should want to know what the Gods know. You should want to ascend to a level of Godhood. Anything less is selling your existance and purpose short. We use 5% of our brains. It is the judeo-christian beliefs that have caused this to mankind. And for what? A book created by Constantine? Satan is not evil. All He ever wants and asks is that mankind use his brains and ability to the maximum extent. All other religions preach to DENY knowledge. Satan saved mankind when other "Gods" wished to destroy mankind. Yes, I love Satan.
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Hmmm. Hi. Perhaps my perception on things hasn't been explained clearly enough. I apologize for that. Here is, in short, what I do and don't believe:\n\nThere is no such thing as a god. To me, the concept of the existence of a deity (besides being unproved and absurd) is just that- a concept. And a misleading one, at that. To me, it's a lie.\n\nI do not worship the christian devil. Hell, I do not even believe in it! To me, Satan is a reflection of humanity. You are your own god, and are free to accept it or not. Satan is not an entity, it's a force, it's in us. It's our vital force.\n\nHave fun, and be tolerant.\n\nBy the way, when I say Satan's spawn, it doesn't mean I believe I am the child of your devil, it means I am the Satan, as it is in me. It's sometimes also meant to shock. Depends.\n\nHappy, now?
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Before answering that question -- you do realize that Satan was and is, to Judaism -- the progenitor faith of Christianity "the Advesary"  NOT the advesary of humans, no, the advesary of G-d -- and his position is actually within the heavenly court.  He's SUPPOSED to challenge G-d.\n\nThe title Devil came later, and actually means "little god" or something like that -- its been almost 20 years since I took that course.\n\nNow that said.  Your question is really primarily theological.  What you are really asking is how can God allow anyone to be born gay.  You make a presumption that very few Christians would -- that the Devil can effect a preborn infant.  You are welcome to your diverse theological construct however.  I'm going to answer the question you actually asked, rather than the one you meant to ask, I think, then I'll speak briefly to your theology.\n\nHow can someone be born gay?\n\nIn a word, genetics.  there is a great deal of scientific evidence that it is inborn.  Beyond scientific evidence there is anectodal evidence.\n\nThe fruit fly study is actually fairly conclusive.  But the pheremonal and eye blink studies are also compelling.  I've included links below for those that are interested.  Beyond that, research increasingly suggests that at least for males, X28 is the crucial gene.  I am saddened by this, because I believe that once it is proven, gay people will be wiped out -- and I think that is sad, because given the number of species in which homosexuality exists (see Dr. Bruce Bagemihl's book "Biological Exuberance" from St. Martin's Press) I think it serves a purpose.\n\nNow as to the theology behind your question:  The Bible speaks out directly about a lot of things.  It says that the world has corners (Isaiah 11:12) and that it sets on pillars (I Samuel 2:8).  It says that God accepted a human sacrifice -- he may have prevented Isaacs, but he allowed a general to sacrifice his own daughter without even a murmer, the text  giving tacit support to the idea that having given his word, the man had to kill his child. (Judges 11:30-39).  The Bible  clearly maintains that genocide is often commanded by God (Joshua 10:40-42 and I Samuel 15: 2, 3 and 8) and that, after killing all the adults in a race, taking the female children as sex slaves is permissable (Numbers 31: 17-18).\n\nThe God revealed by the Bible is not only both a liar who doesn't know the natural laws of his own world, and a monster, as shown above -- but he has no real regard, even for his own people, whom he forces into cannibalism (Leviticus 26: 27-29) when he is mad at them; or his priests, whose faces he wipes with dung (Malachi 2:1-3).\n\nIt is not only gays and lesbians that are hated by biblegod.  This monstrocity also suggests killing kids who eat or drink too much (Deutoronomy 21: 18-21), and says that  if he is angry with parents he will kill their children (Leviticus 26:22) and he blames things upon children whose great-great-great grandfather committed the things being blamed on the kids (Exodus 20: 5)\n\nPutting it in a word, biblegod is a monstrocity, a horrific demiurge of evil.  Something that even he admits ( Isaiah 45:7 ) [Furthermore, the word used in Hebrew for evil, the word ra' is widely conceded to mean a number of different things:  It can mean "wickedness," "mischief," "bad," "trouble," "hurt," "sore," "affliction," "ill," "adversity," "harm," "grievous," and "sad."  So no matter what particular interpretation is given of this word -- it has profoundly negative implications.  The idea that god is sovereign over the affairs of man makes this even worse, because no matter what interpretation it has, it indicates that biblegod deliberately does harm.]; evil about which he sometimes changes his mind (Exodus 32:14).  What a font of unchanging moral
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As has been said here, Levey is the author. You can find a copy online as I did. It isn't really what people think. Mostly, Levey talks of the philosophy behind his Satanist thing. It doesn't have anything grim in it, no evil spell, no sacrifice concept. It merely talks about individuality, independence. Naturally Christianity is threatened by it, and wants to suppress it, but I don't see why it should. \nLevey wasn't one of the insane people who would kill a child and put it on the dark altar. He just wanted to go against all the conventions.\nThe only reservation I have against it, it shows you what not to be, but doesn't give you a good idea of what to be. This psychologically is an unsound practise. One ought to be able to concentrate on something constructive instead. So, other than that unwise slant, it is alright.\nOf course, one should be warned of the mad Satanists who wouldn't hesitate to kill, but the black bible is not for those. It appeals to our common sense. \nI was surprised to find out that some Satanists, simply misapply the term, being mentally healthy. I don't like that confusion myself and would rather people who are normal wouldn't call themselves Satanists, but oh well.\nAs for the specifics of search, go to yahoo search or a google one, and put black bible in the search frame. You are bound to find soon some freely distributed online edition. Just don't subscribe to any memberships before you find out what they stand for. If it is just rebellion against brainwashing, it's all well, if not, be careful.\nHope that helps. Good Luck.
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No amount of me telling you what is and what not ain't gonna convince you,The fact that u r asking this question is because deep down you know u r wrong,The christian God as u put it, and satan r not equal and whomever came up with the idea you being taught against the bible with the bible is really cunning must be the devil himself,Let me tell you what my God give me that no demon in hell can give you peace.God treated lucifer unjust r u kidding me? God could have killed him he should have, but look around you all the wickedness thats happening the Devil is very well in charge.Do you know your lucifer talk to God see in Job when God said to him have u considered my son Job he said To God do u think job serve u for nothing meaning the omly reason y job serve God is because he was rich God said to him take all he has Job stayed true to God anyways your devil is gonna burn in hell along with anyone who serve him, you can prove God for yourself just talk to him.Say if u r really up there do something to let me know u r real
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Something is really wrong with the heaven and hell teaching.\nAccording to Psalm 115:16, has God provided earth, or heaven for mankind?\nAccording to Psalm 37:29, where are we suppose to spend our eternity?\nReasoning:\nGod said Adam would lose the gift of life if he ate of the forbidden fruit.\nHe ate, he died.\nIF he never ate of it, if he never touched it ....where would he be today?\nOur future is on a cleansed earth.\nThat is what God's original purpose is .....and nothing will change his mind.
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In the Holy Bible there is one archangel: "the" archangel Michael: Jude 1:9. \n\nHowever in the plural and divided "heavens" of a Majesty(God) on "high"(Heb 1:3; 8:1), of such high/higher heavens/heaven... in "high" heavens divided left and right there would be two archangels, one for law to the left and one for grace to the right. So we have another mention of "the" archangel in 1Thess 4:16; But this archangel is unnamed, kinda like the horse Death rode in on in Revelation 6:8 is unnamed, and the king of Nineveh who disrobed and sat in the ashes when the people believed God in the great fish story of Jonah is unnamed. \n\nAll these unnamed allegoric things refer to Law, the first of two trumps of a pluralized God(majesty) in plural "heavens" on high of high/higher; Grace being the last trump played in Revelation 22:21, and it's notably Grace with you all, the "you all" thereof begins with "you", in which all the KofG is located. And since all the KofG is located within you, it's you made perfect by "the God of all grace" (no law at all), which speaks of "that God" is light having no darkness at all, which speaks of "higher than the heavens". To wit: "that God" was in "Christ"(the end of the law) reconciling the world unto himself(the God of all grace), and notably by not law imputing their trespasses(sins) unto them.\n\nPerhaps you are referring to four beasts in Revelation, which is written as a "latter end worse" case scenario to avoid, since it mentions "seven spirits", which are "seven other spirits more wicked" mentioned as the state of man being "worse".\nhttp://www.godshew.org/Revelations9.htm\n\nAs for being serious, my serious answer is your question is trivia, a mute point, since Satan(Law) is disguised as an angel of God.\n\nThe "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
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Good question. Do you believe in the Bible? If not, there is no point in giving biblical answer. But, if you do you may find this view helpful.\n\nGod did not destroy Lucifer--including Adam and Eve--immediately after their rebellion in Eden because an important issue was raised. If God destroyed immediately the 3 rebels then other intelligent creations--the angels or spirit beings-- would have thought that the 3 rebels were right. This issue--which you and I face--needed time to be solve.\n\nISSUE: DOES MAN NEED GOD TO GOVERN HIMSELF? Satan said: 'NO, man by himself can know what is good and bad. He does not need God'. By raising this issue the wily serpent turned the 1st man and woman as his worshipper. (Read and understand Genesis 3:2-4; Luke 4:5-7)\n\nThis issue on Sovereignty--the right of God to rule--was again raised by the Israelites. They have turned away from the true God and worship other gods. (1Samuel 8:4-8) Guess who would be behind this?\n\nBut, try as he might Man and Satan can not really make a better world for us. We have tried so many forms of government. All are failures--monarchy, demo-crazy, (pun intended), oligarcy, communism, etc. Nothingh works.\n\nSo, God has set up a time when he will destroy all these governments under the control of Satan. (Dan 2:4; Rev 12:9) Yes, all humans who dishonor God--including fornicators, criminals--and SATAN will be destroyed eternally by God. Revelations 20:10; 21:8 says they will suffer 2nd death for which there is no resurrection. This 2nd death is illustrated by a lake of sulfur and fire.
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at the end of the day the devil was a bad angel that god kicked out...so why would satan help god to punish people?...i think that was just made up by the Christians years ago to help control people...\n\nby the way i am NOT A SATANIST!....
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I'd really like to answer your question but I can't quite read the postmark on the last letter Einsteing sent me .......\n\nWhat are you going on about? If that was the case, everyone who ever discovered anything, reasoned anything out, invented anything, or learned anything, would be sent to hell, and if that were true, it would be a pretty interesting place to be! But it seems obvious that God wouldn't give man the capacity to learn, to invent, to understand, and send him to hell for using that God-given capacity. And how, pray tell, can you prevent knowledge from being used for evil purposes? Weapons were originally used to gather food, a peaceful purpose, but when disputes arose, they were used for war. Books were invented as a means of preserving and sharing knowledge. But that invention has been perverted to include printing porn. Does that mean ALL books should be destroyed, along with the processes of making them? \nI think you've just got nothing better to do and are making up things to generate discussions. At least, I hope that's the case, because if you really believe what you said, I feel sorry for your. And your God, because he must be a vindictive and vengeful God to behave in that manner.