you cant say that even jesus ate meat cause you cant compare yourself to jesus! and you cant say that animals dont have soul! we all know that they have senses and they feel anger, fear, pain , and they even reproduce! so who gave you the right to kill animals?  also God didnt told"thou shall not kill humans" he had clearly said "thou shall not kill" and that means dont kill animals or humans!
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I myself am a member of P.E.T.A.\n\nPeople\nEatin'\nTasty\nAnimals
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Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. \nI have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge \nwith as many people as I can. \nI do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other specific \nBiblical laws and how to follow them.\n\na) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a \npleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. \nThey claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?\n\nb) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in \nExodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price \nfor her?\n\nc) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her \nperiod of menstrual uncleanness (Lev.15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? \nI have tried asking, but most women take offense. If I come into contact with \na woman who is menstruating and she doesn't tell me until afterwards, must I \nkill her immediately or can I just beat her?\n\nd) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, \nprovided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims\nthat this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? \nWhy can't I own Canadians?\n\ne) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 \nclearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill \nhim myself? Also, is Sabbath on Saturday as Seventh Day Adventists \n(Christians, like us...or are they?) or is it on Sunday as Baptists and \nsome other faiths agree? I am beset by not knowing who to kill and when \nto kill them...please clarify this for me.\n\nf) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination\n (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality (Lev. 18:22). \nI don't agree. I'm also confused about how homosexuality can be an abomination \nwhen Jonathan and David were married in the Bible (1 Samuel 18:1, 3 - 4). \nHere, I'll quote it - "And it came to pass, when he had made an end of \nspeaking unto Saul that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David \nand Jonathan loved him as his own soul. Then Jonathan and David made a \ncovenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself\nof the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even \nto his sword and to his bow and to his girdle." and also Ruth's relationship \nwith Naomi is suspect, (Ruth 1:16-17) "And Ruth said to Naomi, Entreat me not \nto leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, \nI will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, \nand thy God my God: Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: \nthe Lord do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part three and me.\n" Can you settle this?\n\ng) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a \ndefect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my \nvision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?\n\nh) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around \ntheir temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27 and even \nthough 1st Cor. 11:4-6 says that it is a shame upon a man to have long hair. \nHow should they die?\n\ni) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me \nunclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? Also, since it is \nstrictly forbidden to "eat neither fat nor blood" in Lev. 3:17 & Lev. 19:26, \ndoes that mean that I must be a vegetarian and must I smite those who choose \nto eat meat?\n\nj) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different \ncrops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two \ndifferent kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse \nand blaspheme a lot. Is i
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The "sacrifice" issue is not just about animals,\n(which God never perceived as clean and unclean);\nFor God saw only good x 6, very good the 7th time.\n\nNor did God ever desire any sacrifice, for sin,\nis "of the law", which His Grace will not have,\nand the not part is not then, not now, not ever.\nPs 40:6; 51:16; Hos 6:6; Mt 9:13; Mt 12:7; Heb 10\n\nMt 9:13 Go ye and learn what meaneth:\n"I will have mercy, and not sacrifice".\nhttp://www.godshew.org/ShewBread5.htm#willx2\nWhich (law/grace)things(sons) are an "allegory".\nhttp://www.godshew.org/Allegory.htm\n\nIt OBVIOUSLY meaneth God will have grace, and not law;\nFor biblical & historical "evidence" makes it "EVIDENT"\nthat no man is justified by the law in the sight of God.\n\nAll who think other wise, the sacrifice wise, of the law,\ncan also bend over and dble kiss their cheri bums bye bye.\nAnd such is not to be merciless, but rather to be merciful.\nFor it won't change the end that's notably already written,\nbut it will make what's evident ever more evident unto all.\n\nThe "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
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Aren't we the same?  We're animals that inhabit this planet, the same as many others.  What sets humans apart?  The idea that we have a soul?  That is very debatable and has never been proven or disproven to exist but the same could be said for animals possessing souls.  The fact that many believe that only humans have souls only proves that our egos WANT to believe ourselves somehow better.  In many ways we are superior to the other animals, hence our dominance of the planet.  But also in many ways we are far inferior to other animals.  So where is the balance?
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The bible may say an eye for an eye. But one of the 10 commandments is Thou shalt not kill. No exceptions!
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These verses aren't saying the same things at all, and you aren't understanding them because you are looking at them out of context.  These are all from the NRS.\n\nGen 3:  14 The Lord God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed are you among all animals and among all wild creatures; upon your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. 15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel."\n\n16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pangs in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."\nhttp://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=Genesis+2&section=0&version=nrs&new=1&oq=&NavBook=ge&NavGo=2&NavNextChapter=%3E%3E&NavCurrentChapter=2\n\nHere in Genesis 3:16, YHVH is telling Eve that her punishment for eating of the Tree of Knowledge is to have pain during childbirth, and yet to still desire sexual relations with her husband in spite of it; that her husband will rule over her on account of her desire for sexual relations with him.\n\nGen 4: 3 In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, 4 and Abel for his part brought of the firstlings of his flock, their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, 5 but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.\n\n6 The Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is lurking at the door; its desire is for you, but you must master it." \nhttp://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=ge+4&version=nrs&language=en&showtools=0\n\nHere, in Gen 4:7, YHVH is telling Cain that if he does good things he will be happy; that Cain should desire to do good things because good things desire Cain to make good things manifest.  But evil things also desire Cain to make evil things manifest, and so Cain must learn to control himself - to gain mastery over himself - in order to differentiate between good and evil, and then presumably choose good over evil because man's natural state is godlike and therefore good.
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No, killing plants so that you can eat them is not part of the the "do not murder" command.  Neither is properly killing an animal for food.  \n\nHowever, there is also no command that you must eat animals everyday.  I know many within the Jewish community who are vegetarian 6 days out of the week and only eat meat on the Sabbath.  Eating meat was a somewhat rare thing in Biblical times, you did it at times of animal sacrifice and special celebration and that was it.  (Sabbath is a celebration which is why the rabbis say that you should eat meat on Sabbath).\n\nSo don't let them put you on a guilt trip because you don't eat meat.
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Well, if you are asking in terms of god, the Bible says he created the beasts for man to rule over.  In terms of people, certainly they provide us with a source of food, but they also provide plant life with a much needed source of energy.  If all animals died off, it seems likely that humans would die off as well, most likely from disease rather than a lack of food.  If you are going to ask why god created animals, you may as well ask why he or she created plants or planets, or anything else.  Who knows?
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Well done.  I knew about the one in Exodus, but the others are new to me.  Thanks for pointing that out.  \n\nI'm a Bible believing Christian and I have always supported abortion.  In fact, I support abortion even when the mother doesn't want to in cases where the child will be born seriously defective.  \n\nI have gotten into many arguments with my Christian friends over this and I believe their problem is that they listen to what the preacher says and not the Bible.  For me, the Bible trumps the preacher any day.\n\nGreat job.\n\n===\nTo Williamzo: Exodus 21:22 says {para} "If two men fight and during the fight a pregnant woman is injured such that she miscarries, the man shall be FINED as the judges determine, but  if the woman also dies, then the man is put to death."  I suggest you read it again.\n\nWhat God is telling us in this verse is that an unborn baby is NOT the same thing as a human life.  If it were, the punishment would be death for that also.  Thus, God is telling us that abortion is NOT murder.\n\nBefore conception/before entering the womb - Isn't it obvious that God is talking about their spirit and not their physical body?
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jews are also forbidden.\ni'm a seventh day adventist christian , and a vegetarian diet is encouraged but not compulsory , if we eat meat we take our advice from leviticus , 'cloven hoofs & cud chewing animals '.\npigs are there with vultures etc: as scavengers to clean up what has become unclean so therefore themselves are unclean\nhope this helps cheers:\npaul :-}
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No Gods\nOnce, flipping through a book on child psychology, I came across a chapter about adolescent rebellion. It suggested that in the first phase of a child's youthful rebellion against her parents, she may attempt to distinguish herself from them by accusing them of not living up to their own values. For example, if they taught her that kindness and consideration are important, she will accuse them of not being compassionate enough. In this case the child has not yet defined herself or her own values; she still accepts the values and ideas that her parents passed on to her, and she is only able to assert her identity inside of that framework. It is only later, when she questions the very beliefs and morals that were presented to her as gospel, that she can become a free-standing individual. \n\nI often think that we have not gotten beyond that first stage of rebellion. We criticize the actions of those in the mainstream and the effects of their society upon people and animals, we attack the ignorance and cruelty of their system, but we rarely stop to question the nature of what we all accept as "morality." Could it be that this "morality," by which we think we can judge their actions, is itself something that should be criticized? When we claim that the exploitation of animals is "morally wrong," what does that mean? Are we perhaps just accepting their values and turning these values against them, rather than creating moral standards of our own? Maybe right now you're saying to yourself "what do you mean, create moral standards of our own? Something is either morally right or it isn't-morality isn't something you can make up, it's not a matter of mere opinion." Right there, you're accepting one of the most basic tenets of the society that raised you: that right and wrong are not individual valuations, but fundamental laws of the world. This idea, a holdover from a deceased Christianity, is at the center of our civilization. If you are going to question the establishment, you should question it first! There is no such thing as good or evil. There is no universal right or wrong. There is only you... and the values you choose for yourself. \n\nWHERE DOES THE IDEA OF "MORAL LAW" COME FROM? \n\nOnce upon a time, almost everyone believed in the existence of God. This God ruled over the world, He had absolute power over everything in it; and He had set down laws which all human beings had to obey. If they did not, they would suffer the most terrible of punishments at His hands. Naturally, most people obeyed the laws as well as they could, their fear of eternal suffering being stronger than their desire for anything forbidden. Because everyone lived according to the same laws, they could agree upon what "morality" was: it was the set of values decreed by God's laws. Thus, good and evil, right and wrong, were decided by the authority of God, which everyone accepted out of fear. One day, people began to wake up and realize that there was no such thing as God after all. There was no scientific evidence to demonstrate his existence, and few people could see any point in having faith in the irrational any longer. God pretty much disappeared from the world; nobody feared him or his punishments anymore. But a strange thing happened. Though these people had the courage to question God's existence, and even deny it to the ones who still believed in it, they didn't dare to question the morality that His laws had mandated. Perhaps it just didn't occur to them; everyone had been raised to hold the same beliefs about what was moral, and had come to speak about right and wrong in the same way, so maybe they just assumed it was obvious what was good and what was evil whether God was there to enforce it or not. Or perhaps people had become to used to living under these laws that they were afraid to even consider the possibility that the laws didn&#
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It isnt that they worship them... \n\nHinus believe that all animals have Atman or soul and thus should not be killed. Also killing leads to bad karmic consequences and the consumption of flesh is not sattvic; meaning one can not achieve full spirituality or a close connection with Lord.
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how do you know that plants don't feel the pain and animals dont have souls?\nthink again.....
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first off its a misnomer to think that animal sacrifices was the way to cleanse your sins. The point was for you to give something of your self and seeing the animal killed would hopefully bring you to repentance. but if a person brought an animal and did not repent in his heart then it was worthless. I do not have the quotes but one example is when King David realized he sinned he fell upon the ground and asked G-d what he should do or what sacrifice he should bring. G-d replied that he was forgiven the moment that his knees hit the floor. This shows us that the sacrifice was never the Important part but the meaning behind it. Their are other examples just look for them.\n\nthis website might give you some more insight
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I taught my tobacco plants how to use a gun, to protect themselves from the Animal Rights People.\nAnimal Rights People won't eat meat, but they love to torture, and make fruits, vegetables, and tobacco plants scream as they rip them from limbs and the ground.
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All I can offer is my own two cents from my study. (clink, clink)\n\nBefore looking at Cain and Able, we need to look at Adam and Eve's last time in the Garden before having to leave. They had already sinned before God and was punished (the ground cursed and pain in child birth). As hard as it is to believe, Adam and Eve's sins were paid for - therefore there is no "original sin" - but that's another post!\n\nBefore getting kicked out of the Garden, God made garments of skins and clothed them. Why? As we can see in later parts of scripture, God perfers animal sacrifice because of the blood. The blood "pays" for the sins of the offerer. That's why God gave them garmetns of skins - He had shown them what was the offering that He wanted - animal.\n\nAdam then taught this to his sons Cain and Able. For Able it was easier since he already took care of the flock. Cain knew God accepted only animal offerings, but pride got in the way. Instead of going to his brother and trading a lamb for some harvest goods, Cain decided to simply offer up his goods instead of a lamb.\n\nAll Cain had to do was humble himself and ask to trade a lamb for some grain with his brother. But he was jealous that Able had it easy because he overlooked the flock.\n\nSo when Cain offered up his harvest to God, He refused it. Instead of realizing his mistake and doing something to fix it, he got angry. God then asked him what was wrong, that if he did the right thing, he would be a happier person. But Cain let anger fester in his heart until he murdered his brother.\n\nThis is a fine example of how people rather do their own thing than obey the rules God has given us for better living.
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I think you may be confusing Jesus' ministry with your respect for animals.  I understand and respect your beliefs, but I really don't think anyone who eats an animal product is being untrue to anything Jesus taught or to Christmas.