If the entire plot of 9&#92;11 was only a ploy to persuade the public for war, but sold the American military as a service to the Saudis to invaide Afganistan.\nMaking billions on the deaths of our solders, and phony terror threats.\nWhat do you think?
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The Four Reasons\nwhy "We the People" must\n uphold the Constitution of\nThe United States of America\nand hold those who violate it accountable\n\n\n0. The invasion of Iraq is illegal within the framework of the laws of the United States Constitution and the United Nations Charter.\n\n1. The invasion of Iraq has been planned for many years by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), an organization founded by a small group of right wing political ideologues and corporate elite dedicated to promoting American global leadership. The PNAC signatories hold the most powerful positions in the current administration and other highly influential political offices. Read their Statement of Principles and note the signatories. Read the PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" for a detail of their military strategy for American global  hegemony. The Downing Street Memo and other key documents unambiguously indicate that the policy of regime change in Iraq was planned as early as July 2002 and "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."\n\n2. Many members of the Bush Administration are convicted criminals. The World Tribunal on Iraq held it's culminating session in Istanbul in June 2005 and declared the Bush Administration guilty of starting a War of Aggression, War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity as indicated in their Declaration of the Jury of Conscience. A War Crimes Tribunal held in NYC on August 26, 2004 found many members of the Bush Administration guilty of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and high crimes and misdemeanors for which they are impeachable (audio of Ramsey Clark). The International Criminal Tribunal for Afghanistan convened in Tokyo, 2003 found the Bush Administration guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity for the invasion of Afghanistan. The Brussels Tribunal has conducted "A Hearing on the Project for the New American Century" to discuss the nature of a premeditated, preemptive wars - a "war of aggression" being the highest international crime. In 1992, an International War Crimes Tribunal found the senior officers in the first Bush administration guilty on 19 counts of Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity and other criminal acts in Violation of the Charter of the United Nations, International Law, The Constitution of the United States and Laws made in Pursuance thereof, for crimes committed during "Operation Desert Storm". View a list of our `elected' officials, their appointees, and their criminal offenses.\n\n3. There is no degree of separation between the current administration and those who control the means of production, the means of communication, and the military-industrial complex. Those individuals will benefit unfathomably from this and many future wars already planned by the PNAC. View information on who is making the money from the "War on Terrorism".\n\n4. "We the People" pay for "Operation Iraqi Freedom", the staging of "multiple theatre wars", and the killing of the innocent peoples of foreign lands in the name of Freedom and Democracy, while 'elected' officials pass radical legislation taking away our rights and controlling the flow of information.
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As much as I hate the war, and how much I beleive that we were dooped in all the information given to us about "why" we are over there.  That would defeat the "purpose" on why Bush says we are over there.  Because we are replacing the way their government governs, if we hand it back over to them right now in that fashon, they would run it the way they want to run it (which is the way it should be, but not the way Bush wants it).  In turn, it would make the US look even stupider, because it wouldn't turn out the way Bush said it would.
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Who's doing all the killing? It certainly isn't the soldiers of the U.S. It is the Islamic factions who can't get along with each other. I would pull the troops out and let them kill each other. We're not going to change their way of thinking with our troops in harms way. One American son is worth more than any legion of fanatic, uneducated, blind people.
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you really think this is all about Bin Laden??How can you believe such propaganda?\nTell me,how is Osama communicating with his operatives world wide and pulling off all these mastermind stunts?
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a couple of points...\n\nA. anyone who says 9-11 is a retard... osama is in Pakistan... not Iraq... I know it's hard for you to wrap your mind around... but there is more than one country in the middle east... cite the link of 9-11 to Iraq... oh that's, right there aren't any \n\nB. See, defense contractors make a lot of money when we go to war... then if they make trillions, they give trillions to those that support the wars, like Republicans... also if we go to war in the middle east, the instablity it causes dirves up oil prices, so they make money and donnate more too... and our president may have some ties to oil as well?\n\n\nrfjanssen... simple question... why doesn't Bush do something about Osama... he's in Pakistan... he's "picked" on us? is he just a pansy?
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Are you asking a question or are you preaching?  The discourse above sounds more like a sermon than a question.\n\nAt one point the US did support Iraq, and Saddam (when they were fighting Iran).  However they were never allies of ours.  The relation ship we had with them was more an "enemy of my enemy" thing.\n\nI doubt seriously that Israel ever trained the Taliban, much less in Pakistan.\n\nI am skeptical about the US "giving $6 billion to Al Qaeda,"  unless you are referring to indirectly through the purchase of oil.\n\nAs for the rest, it seems that it is the sermon part.
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Of course! Don't forget than Osama Bin Laden was trained in the USA in the early 80's. The american government needed a motive to declare the so-called "war against terrorism". And to succeed that it sacrificed its own people...
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I was told earlier today that 'War on Terror' is 'political narrative', its an ideal, an abstract concept that gains popular belief in order to justify a political action. It has no bearing on why those actions are being performed at all. Which makes sense for me anyway.
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How's this for a conspiracy theory.\n\nhttp://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/
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netjr:... you mean they were doing all the things Saudi Arabia is doing basically... oh yeah... that would clearly not be worth it... you don't have that many links just out of coincidence... \n\n*meanwhile... Bush and the Saudi King walks of into the sunset holding hands*\n\nwerk2much2000: why is it you Conservatives run on here when Rush says something like this, like the Clinton thing with VERY shaky links (The 9-11 report found no evidence of it).. but you "highly doubt" everything else?\n\nS. Leroy: what is the "end all be all" then? God forbid we focus on the mastermind of the man that killed 3,000... sounds like an EXCELLENT PLACE TO START.... instead let's take over Iraq who did nothing to us and has very vague links to terror and had nothing to do with 9-11?\n\nwatty: I can see your point, but many conservatives, I don't know if you did, said a lot of bad things about Clinton "not taking a deal" with folks that were just as shaky... just saying...
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People seem to have forgotten how the Taliban and rebels in Afganistan whipped the butts of the Russians when they tried to capture Afganista. The United states helped the Afganis with intel and arms, and Russia still lost. Bin laden was involved then, we supported him and his fight against the Russians. Bush policies had nothing to do with 9/11, that was a result of failed policies and promises made by Carter and his administration. It just happens that Bush was on duty when Bin laden put his plan into action. It's all about oil. It has always been about oil. Chasing down zarqawi is more for the press and to show the people back home that progress is being made in Iraq. We don't know what is really going on off camera. Zarqawi was self appoined to lead al-quida in Iraq. There have been reports that binladen didn't like him pitting shiites against sunnis and killing other muslims. The question still remains, should we be in iraq? It doesn't matter now, we are there, we need to send more troops, clean up that place and  get out. Then send our Iraq troops to Afganistan, and clean house there also, then build that darn pipeline.
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I probably would've done the same. \n\nWhat lots of folks don't realize is that we put out a bounty in Afghanistan for terrorists. Think about it. We told a bunch of dirt poor Afghans that we'd pay them in American cash if they fingered Afghan terrorists. Of course they would turn in just about anyone they didn't know or maybe had an on going feud with, Al Qaeda or not.\n\nI'd be willing to bet that lots of Guantanamo "detainees" have been directly involved in terrorist activities, but when you consider all of those imprisoned without cause or evidence, other than the word of another dirt poor and desperate Afghan, it really is disgusting what we've done in Guantanamo. If their is real evidence to hold any of these people it should've been presented prior to their incarceration. After all, that is the American way. Right? \n\nLots of folks are awful pissed about 9/11 and I'm one of them. That doesn't mean we should throw due process, common sense, and our collective sense of humanity out the window in order to conduct another witch trial. In the end we'll lose by showing ourselves to be just as bad as the terrorists responsible for 9/11.
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Yes, I heard it and "Big Surprise".  The terrorists made no effort to hide the fact they were rooting for a democrat victory.  Anything to embarrass the "Devil" George Bush.  I think the U.S. needs to use more intelligence from Iraqi's and use air strikes to take out these morons.  I'm a Republican and I'm for a gradual reduction in troops.  I think we could be out except for a small force within 3-4 years.
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You raise the big question that is never answered.  The big boys make decisions for us all, based on what and for whom?  We are naively raised to believe that they are serving us, but we all are savvy enough now to realize that the story we were told is not often true at all.  Whether it is Iraq or Afghanistan, Katrina, education, our borders, whatever, we find that there is a huge difference from what we expect  and what actually happens.  We all suspect, for whatever reason, that things are not on the level, and that our interests are being sold down the river.  Some of us think it is minor, some of us think it is treason.  What we get are phony explanations with the truth obscured for generations, all to protect us.  Whether it is JFK's assassination, the 9/11 investigation where the important chapter is not released, the true story of why there was no help for our citizens after Katrina and no insurance for their losses, we find we don't get the true story.  You can bet we will not get it now while we invade countries that have not attacked us, all under the guise of going after the perpetrators of 9/11.  What is Cheney doing talking to the Saudi Prince?  We would all like to know.
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can you site this... or are you using secret terrorist sources that you have?\n\nI would assume it's that they want to blow up Europe and America?\n\ncall me crazy...
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OK, I'm a Progressive, not a publican, but here's my 2 cents:  \nWith the circus that is Iraq, and Afghanistan (remember Afghanistan?) the amount of resources that the US has to spare for the project is a lot less.\n\nAlso international good will is getting thin.\n\nPakistani government doesn't have a lot of control over the area that Osama is said to be in, but we owe them something for helping us, or at least not standing in our way in Afghanistan.  If we just went into that area, the citizens would probably overturn the Pakistani government and put one in that's more sympathetic to Osama.\n\nOr maybe it's that Pakistan doesn't have a lot of oil.  The invasion of Iraq didn't make a lot of sense once we found out that the WMD's were a paranoid fantasy of the administration, but oil might explain it all.  Or at least the opportunity to claim some, which didn't work out yet for Haliburton, but might happen in the future.\n\nOh, yeah, I hear that Pakistan DOES have a nuke or two...
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Well for a start a good portion of the money spent on the war, could have been spent beefing up the borders here at home.\n\nIncluding security at the ports, making sure all Visas are current and taking action against those that are here illegally.\n\nThe DHS is a joke, the TSA is a joke.\n\nThey are just window dressing, to appease the masses.\n\nWe can not go about saving the world until we are truly safe at home.\n\nThose that say there have been no attacks here since 9/11 seem to forget about the whole anthrax thing, and an aborted plan to attack the New York subways.  The subway thing was called off the UBL, and was not thwarted by any action of the DHS.  As far as we know those planning the threat are still here working on something bigger.\n\nOh and what ever happened to Bin Laden anyway, perhaps we should have finished that job before taking on something else.