Seriously.. So many people put up stupid questons like "is god REAL?"... "DID Jesus REALLY die on the CROSS?" and "When will Jesus come and kill SATAN?!?!?!!!!"\n\nHow the HELL is somebody supposed to answer that? Are the Americans (i assume they're americans) posthing this s**t, for real??
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I think it's cyclical. A few weeks ago the star of the questions was Prophet Muhammad the PBUH
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First, tabbymomma is not making a statement or asking a question about whether or not god exists, or the veracity of atheism versus agnosticism versus Christianity.  What she is asking, is why do people call other people idiots when they are trying to convince them that their view is right?\n\nI agree with her.\n\nIt seems the "debate" in here consists of believers and non-believers calling each other idiots.  This is not a debate.  Neither is telling a non-believer he/she is going to hell, or telling a believer they are in the thrall of ignorant superstition.  Debate involves respecting your opponent, and his or her ideas, while you are pointing out what you believe are the fallacies.  In the very least, it involves a little civility.\n\n___________________________________________________________\n\nOh, and an agnostic is not a "pansy" atheist.  Agnostics hold that, ultimately, the existence or non-existence of divinity can not be proven one way or the other (and, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence), so this is a question which is ultimately unanswerable and unknowable.  This is different from atheists, who believe there is no god at all.
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great post, ranger.\n\nanother thing, too.  christians have difficulty admitting they are a cult.  they are a cult, that's true.\n\nand you are right.  this country was not based on christianity, or the Framers would have declared that in all of those instruments you described.  at least one of them!  \n\nit's amazing where chrisitians "claim" to see christianity, even where it doesn't exist!!\n\nthe idiot, above, who said "you have a self-esteem issue yourself" simply because you posed this question -- he just proved part of your point for you.  these people never cease to amaze me.  i can hardly wait to see how many call you "angry" just for posting these facts.  they'll try to make you look bad, so they can look better, in their own eyes.\n\nsome idiots will come back and try to say "this country is over 2/3 christian" blah blah blah...\n\nwell, guess what?  this country is mostly WHITE.  so, is the US a "White Country"??  get real, you morons!!!\n\nanother thing -- before you clueless cows come on here yakking about "IGWT" on our currency (and "under god" in the pledge of allegiance), let's rememebr it never showed up on our currency until the McCarthy-paranoia of the 1950's.  The comment in the pledge was also added in the 1950's.  Also, IGWT was only placed on a very few US coins right after the Civil War, almost 100 years after the country's founding.  So, that's also an invalid argument.  These things came later!\n\nI already predict that people will lie and claim that most of the Framers were xians.  And then, they'll use "quotes" from madison and jefferson and many others -- quotes that these Framers NEVER QUOTED and that you will not find anywhere in the Smithsonian.  These are all quotes that have been re-edited by Falwell and Co. to make things "look christian".  Been there, done that.  Keep trying, folks.  Like Ranger, I feel sorry for you for needing to go to such lengths to make your religion look better.  It's too bad that you must lie like that!
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Very true and very sad.  It's horrible that those who have answered other questions here and claimed to haved live as Christians previously, but have turned away don't realize that also.  It's silly that those who don't believe honestly think they can have so much hate and it comes from themselves, but then claim that Christians are the ones who hate.  They don't understand that because of our love for God we will defend Him to the end, fully acknowledging that He does not need our help, He certainly can handle it!!  But that Satan wants to put anger and fear and doubt in all of us.  Satan's total reason for being is to turn us away from God...he has no other purpose.
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We get it, it amazes me that the Evangelists don't get it. \nVery good question, wouldn't you love to see someone ask them?
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I watched the special on National Geographic. Have they made the text available to read anywhere?\n\nBased on the information that was given on the National Geographic premiere...I firmly believe that Jesus chose Judas to sacrifice him. Someone had to do it and he wanted Judas to be the one. The thing that gets me is that when Jesus tells Judas that he will be known as deceitful person for many, many years but in the END, the truth will be known. Wow, that means we know now....does that mean that we are really close to the end?\n\nI would love to look at it more in depth when they release it; if you know anywhere it has been published, please let me know.
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Exactly and I am pretty sure the Bible says we are not to try to figure it out.  On top of it...people have been afraid of the world ending since way way way way way back.  This is NOTHING NEW.
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Man, I understand where your coming from.  I've studied other religions and looked into this Jesus and I've asked the same question and many more.  Jesus is special for a number of reasons.  Yes, there were many people who crucified as saviors before and after Jesus.  We still get people popping up claiming divinity.  The real question isn't so much as is Jesus the savior because he got a few books written about him, its why were there books written about him in the first place.  The most basic point anyone can show you is this...its not that Jesus died, its that he rose after his death.  And there is more evidence that he did actually rise 3 days later and not just Biblical evidence.  First off, the fact that the Roman leaders and armies wanted him gone, because it was the time of Pass Over which is the celebration of Jews getting out of Egypt, and at this time of year, the Jewish community gets a little out of hand, for the are now under the Roman rule.  So when Jesus comes in, and he's claiming to be their savior...the crowd thinks he's going to be a king and run the Romans out.  So, if Jesus didn't rise again, why did the Romans say nothing?  Why did the Jewish Pharaseas (please excuse my spelling) who pushed to have him killed, not stand up and say..."he's still dead!"?  What was it that gave Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John the confedance to step out of their hidding, for fear they were going to be crucified, and boldly speak of a living God, Jesus...and welcome their death?  These questions may seem weak, but if you really think about them and look at the history and try to get in the minds of all these people...only one thing makes since...Jesus is not dead...he rose, becoming a savior that no one expected, but a savior from ourselves.  Thats why Jesus is special, the others were saviors...they were fanatics.  There are a lot of other reasons why Jesus is special, but I honestly have the feeling that if this thought doesn't at least make you rethink the history, then anything else I say, will truly be pointless.
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lol Some people just can't tell time, eh?\n\nHe is speaking of the moment when Jesus comes back, that particular "hour" since that word is often used in prophecy in the Bible.  He wasn't really saying in the next 60 minutes lol.\n\nThat is sort of the problem with the fanatical, they do not seem to get that those folks unfamiliar with Scripture do not understand what the heck the fanatics are saying, especially when they use archaic expressions.\n\nI always try to follow Jesus example of just talking to people like a friend.  You may remember how He began a lot of His parables or teachings with "You have heard it said....".  He didn't try to shove the book, chapter and verse down their throat, just reminded them of how the story goes before making His own point.\n\nI'm sure that guy on the street has got the right sort of yearning heart, but he is not doing much good the way he is going about it.
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These idiots responding here (like Jack and JesusFreak) are already assuming that you're an immoral and "lesser" person.  They don't even know you.  \n\nThis is a prime example of why religion is a scourge on humanity, and is the greatest threat to our survival that currently exists.\n\nThis makes me absolutely sick.  I'd better take the day off today.  I can't handle much more of this.
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Ok, that is creepy.  I mean, it has absolutely nothing at all to do with the question.  For those of you having a hard time understanding why some of us are so fed up with the bible bashing types of Christians, this is a prime example.  For those Christians who answer questions in an honest, productive manner, I'm sorry that these people get lumped in with you.  This is a level of zealotry which scares me to no end.   And before our usual band of zealots jumps on that statement.  No, I'm not scared because I fear "the truth" or because I'm afriad you're right.  I'm scared because the mentally unsound are cutting it pretty close and I wonder what they're going to do next.\n\nTo answer your original question, give me a pint of Guiness, please!  Actually, I don't drink much, but I think I'll one when I get home.
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Mainworry's main worry is how to get points and place high up. he seems to thinks if he preached jesus for those 2 points questioner got a good deal.\n\n i would understand if his cut n paste job of bible is answering the question even remotely. it would be OK. but often it is 100% irrelevant. \n\nit is equivalent to reenagers' answering idk.
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I'm not sure which I find more hliarious, that Patzy calls your article, "bullshit facts" yet there isn't a damn thing to prove God exists that isn't strung together inconsitencies and things that are unexplainable, or the fact that MommaToldMeNotToCome has no ability to read the article and see when the article you posted in fact written.  Fact is, no one should be calling anyone elses beliefs bullshit.  \n\nAs for your question, it could be.  There is no way to tell.  Lots of people were crucified at that time and what happened to Jesus wasn't special.  He was one of many.  \n\nAnd Susenjungle, the Shroud of Turin wasn't used by mary Magdelen to wipe Jesus face, it was what was laid over his body after the crucifiction and due to the oils the body secretes during the ordeal made an stain of his face and body on it.  I have some good books on the subject if you are interested, let me know!  I love sharing books!
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I despise the stupidity of most of the responses you received up to this point.\nhave any of these ignorant fools ever even opened a bible??\nI was born an ignorant savage, and a heathen by choice but I have had occasion to actually read the bible. To covet is a sin, dont these border jumpers covet what Americans have? to steal is a sin, these border jumpers steal into our country by dishonest means. to lie is a sin, They are living a lie, each day that they remain within the United States.And the bible states" Love thy neighbor as thyself." what kind of neighbors do the American people have?    A sin?, A multitude of sins by my reckoning!
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Um, there IS a gospel of Judas, and it says NOTHING about Judas being the Messiah. You can read it for yourself at the link. What's with the disdainful way you phrase your questions? I know it has little to do with beliefs, because I've met many a respectful and tolerant atheist and agnostic on this site.
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What in the name of God is going on with you?\n\nI've just read your last 5 or 6 Q's and each one is more incoherent than the one before.  Please tell us that you are not so deluded as to actually believe all this drivel you're posting here!\n\nC'mon buddy, take a deep breath and get a grip on reality!
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I agree. Many times on this site, I'll see a good question, and then some well intentioned Christian say, "you just have to have faith," or "faith isn't about logic."  It's quite irritating.  I know I have so much to learn and am ignorant myself, but it seems like some people check their brains at the door when it comes to faith. God wants us to love him with all our minds as well.  \n\nRejecting worldy wisdom doesn't mean we're supposed to be ignorant.