Whenever someone gives you this "we're a nation of immigrants" crap or that H.R. 3347 is unfair, educate them about Mexico's Law of General Population. This "Law" makes it a felony to be in the country (punishable by 2 years) and also criminalizes those that offer material support to illegal immigrants. It's time we put troops on our southern border like Mexico does to its southern border and keep the swarm out.\n\nhttp://americandaily.com/article/13045...\n\nMexico's "General Law of Population"\n\n\nForeigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)\n\nForeigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)\n\n“A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)
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ummm... my answer would be yes... no wait... it would be no... oh wait..\n\nYOU DIDN'T ASK A QUESTION!
225543
Absolutely 100% agreed. The USA is a nation of laws & we must enforce our laws, just as Mexico enforces its laws on illegals coming from South Central American countries such as El Salvador, etc. \n"...Illegal immigration puts pressure on public schools and hospitals, strains state & local budgets, & bring crimes to communities..."\nImmigrants (as long as they're legal) are always welcome to enter the US as we're a nation of immigration.
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How are we going to deal "fairly and generously" with the 11 million that have come and lived here for a significant period? Have all 11 million lived here for a significant period? And exactly WHAT does significant period mean? \n\nBy all means, secure the borders first to prevent a further influx of illegals, then address the problem of the ones inside our borders.  How are we going to determine how long any one of them has been here? Do you think any of the illegals are going to say, "Oh, I just got here last month"? \n\nPut them in jail and make them work to pay a stiff fine.  Once their fine is paid, use the money to ship them back to wherever they came from.  Make the fine contingent upon how long they've been here, if that can be determined. The problem with that solution, is what to do with the children.  Possibly send dad to jail to work off the penalty for the entire family, leave Mom at home to take care of the kids.  How will they survive? Mom can't work and take care of the kids at the same time, and if she's illegal, she's not allowed to work at all. Welfare? That would add to Dad's jail time, paying it back.  Send the family back to wherever they came from? That sounds most logical, and dad stays in jail and works until their passage is paid.\n\nAnd I don't care if they are from Mexico or Timbuktu.  They are illegals.
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I agree!!! Make them bastards go back home.  Really, I don't give a damn if you are a citizen or not.  I have two simple rules.  Number one, If your ancestors didn't die for this country to make it what it used to be before Bush got his ass in office, you're out!  Second, If your ass is over here and you ain't paying taxes like the rest of us, but you still expect the government to cloth, feed, and shelter your little hellions, your ass is out!  If your ass ain't American your ass is out of the fucking country!  And being American by the way is more than just crossing some border and standing on this soil.  Your family has got to have ancestor that died to make this coutry what it once was.  Thanks to the fucking Mexicans and Bush, we are losing what we once had.
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Reactionary laws?  That's friggen hysterical.  It's already against the law to enter this country without going through the proper channels, hence the term (as un-PC as it is) ILLEGAL ALIEN.  \n\nNow, as far as counter protests and marches, we have several things going against us.  \n1. We don't have a close knit network to get the word out.  There's a website here and there but there's no coordination between sites.  \n2.  Concerns about being viewed as racist.  So what if the issue isn't about race?  So what if it's about people, regardless of color, who are INVADING our country?  The media and the Hispanic/Latino leadership in this country will try to smear ANYONE who organizes a widescale protest.  \n3.  Fear of being retaliated against.  \n4.  Lastly, I believe a lot of Americans feel overwhelmed by the enormity of the problem and frustrated that the American government isn't enforcing its own laws.\n\nI say we treat illegal aliens the way they treat them in their own countries.  For example, here are a few of Mexico's laws.\n\n"Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters. The State may grant the same right to foreigners, provided they agree before the Ministry of Foreign Relations to consider themselves as nationals in respect to such property, and bind themselves not to invoke the protection of their governments in matters relating thereunto; under penalty, in case of noncompliance with this agreement, of forfeiture of the property acquired to the Nation. Under no circumstances may foreigners acquire direct ownership of lands or waters within a zone of one hundred kilometers along the frontiers and of fifty kilometers along the shores of the country." \n\nArticle 32: "Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable. In time of peace no foreigner can serve in the Army nor in the police or public security forces."\n\n Foreign-born, naturalized Mexican citizens may not become federal lawmakers (Article 55), cabinet secretaries (Article 91) or supreme court justices (Article 95). \n\nAccording to Article 33, "the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action."\n\nNon-citizens are forbidden to participate in demonstrations or express opinions in public about domestic politics.  Article 9 states, "only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country."  Article 33 is unambiguous: "Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country."\n\n*In response to the answer below:\n\nIt's not a complex issue.\nThey ARE criminals.  They broke the laws of this nation by entering without going through the proper channels.  Many of them use stolen or forged identies and social security cards, which means they are breaking MORE laws.\nBusinesses do not need their labor.  Businesses need to stop undermining the foundation of this county and discontinue their law breaking activities.  Who the hell do you think did the work before the last 12 million illegals came here?  Do you think Americans would sit and starve if illegals didn't pick fruits and vegetables?  I guarantee you they would NOT starve.\nJefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt are spinning in their graves over the invasion of this country and the government's lack of action to stop the influx.\n\nTheodore Roosevelt Advocates Americanism, 1915\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------
175670
I read your rants and I cannot debate you because I agree.  However, it still is not fixing the problem now is it?  We really need to look at the practicalities of this.... It will take a process of time, but first, any illegal migrant who is in our prisons or jails, should be shipped out immediately!  No regards on this one.  Next, any illegal migrants who are already employed here should be back taxed on prove able income for the duration of their employ and the employer should be HEAVILY fined.  Then, they should be allowed the opportunity to remain and work as taxable aliens until that time they choose to gain legalized status.  They also should be required to learn the English language, since they are in an English speaking country.  There is so much more but that would at least be a start.  Agree?\n\n\nAs for those who call these illegals-immigrants- they are not.....they broke the LAW.  When you defend them because`they came here wanting to better themselves and help their families' you are propitiating that breaking laws is okay if it helps you achieve your golas, or it makes your life better.....think about it!!!  If it will make my neighbors life better to steal my refund check out of my mailbax, is that alright?  If it makes someones life better to come into your place of business and kill you to take your money, is that alright?  We cannot go around and disregard the law because it is inconvenient people!
144666
I am hispanic, and I implore you to cast aside any idea that we should give amensty to ANY illegal immigrant.  We must stay true to the ideal of rule of law and fairness, and 20 million illegal immigrants have turned their back on that ideal.  They should not be rewarded.
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This Is A NATION With LAWS-THAT IS The REALITY\nThis NATION Of LAWS Has BORDERS\nIt Dont MATTER HOW It Got To Be That Way\nTHAT Is The Way It Is\nThe INDIANs, The BUFFALOs, The WARs, The ESKIMOEs,\nIT DONT MATTER-Thats The WAY It IS\n\nYou Have The RIGHT To Be Here If \n1:You Were BORN Here\n2:You Take The Basic Nessesary Steps To Apply For A VISA And Then CITIZENSHIP And Are APPROVED\nTHAT Is The LAW In THIS NATION\nIF EITHER 1 or 2 Of The ABOVE Are In Fact TRUE\nThen You Are A CITIZEN Of This Nation\nAnd You Have A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT To Be Here\n\nTHATS IT-THATS ALL-There Are NO More Arguements About The RIGHT To Be Here In This NATION Of LAWS\n\nILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS Have No Constitutional Rights\n\nYou CANNOT "STEAL" The RIGHT To Be Here As You CANNOT STEAL ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS\nIf You DO, You Are A FELON\nYouve BROKEN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS\nIf You VIOLATE The FEDERAL LAWS Of A NATION, You Are A CRIMINAL\n\nIts THAT SIMPLE \nIf You Break Into A House To Steal Property, That Is An ILLEGAL ACTION, With A PENALTY If You Are Caught \nIf You SNEAK Across The BORDER Of A NATION To STEAL The RIGHT To Be There, That Is An ILLEGAL ACTION, With A PENALTY If You Are Caught\n\nILLEGAL ALIENS in America are here only because they are GUILTY of CRIMINAL VIOLATION of our FEDERAL LAWS, . \nThey are Morally Culpable for Shoving Aside those who ADHERE To The LAW and enter these United States in Orderly and Legal Fashion.\n \nSince when do Criminals and Cheaters receive pride of place for the Blessings of Liberty, over those Honestly, earnestly and Faithfully seeking to become American Citizens?\nIs It FAIR To Those That Have Applied For Their Visas?And LEARNED The Language?And PASSED The REQUIRED MEDICAL EXAMINATIONS?? \n\nPresident Bush has called for a reasonable and civil debate over the issues of border security and immigration reform. But the American people understand there can be no responsible immigration reform UNTIL OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE. \n“Guest worker” amnesty programs ARE NOT a part of border security. Amnesty is not the answer. To grant amnesty to these trespassers is to say "You crossed our borders ILLEGALLY, You BROKE OUR LAWS and now we are REWARDING you with U.S. Citizenship -- Congratulations!" \n\nThis is unacceptable.\n\nAnd We CANNOT SELECTIVELY ENFORCE The Law\n\nPUSH HR 4437-NO AMNESTY\n\nDEPORT ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS UPON DISCOVERY
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As I have stated before there are many other countries worse off than Mexico. A common border is no excuse for their behavior. Just being poor is no excuse to break the law.
41288
First off let me say that I am a white American. I live in  Southern Oregon and speak both english and spanish. I have many Legal Mexican-American friends. That being said. If you sneak into this country you are breaking the law!!! Deport them. My legal Mexican friends moved here seeking better wages and did it legally. Additionally they are very fine people who I am pleased to have in my community. They follow the letter of the law. They are model citizens. They do not like criminals who sneak into our country.
245624
Hey, your english is not very good.  Are you an immigrant? No, I'm not going to "over shop" my whole life...and I also know it's highly improbably that 12 million people will be deported.  It's just not possible.  But we can sure as heck do our best to stop letting people in for awhile...and deport SOME of them.  I say start with the ones who don't pay taxes or put much money into our economy.  \n\nTell me, 20 guys who carpool to work in the same car, and share one house...how much are they really putting back in to the economy???  Not much...won't miss 'em.
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Expecting people to respect the law is not racist. I agree with your position, but I do care who is in the country. Respecting the law begins with not entering the country illegally. Have no fear though Democrats are going to give them amnesty and then they will all be legal. The new incoming head of the Homeland Security Committee has stated that his first goal will be to review the border fence with an eye towards scrapping the whole project. I am also sure that now that Democrats control The House, The Senate's first order of business will be to pass the Kennedy/McCain immigration bill, which will not only legalize all that are hear already, but will also allow no less than 400000 new immigrants into the country per year. The major stumbling block to passage has been that the House would not accept it and that doesn't appear to be a problem anymore.
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I agree.  There's no excuse to commit a crime.  If those illegals don't like the way their life in Mexico is, then do something about it and protest to their own govt, not jump the border and protest to ours. The only reason why America is what it is today, that's because of the great heroes back then who fought the war and the great individuals that struggle to make this place a better place to live--through deaths, sweats, extra hard work, and education.\n\nThe illegals can't just take what we already established demand they should equally get the same thing.  If Laws and Procedures weren't established, then this place would be chaotic and corrupted.  \n\nBTW,\n\nPlease protect our borders!\n\nhttp://www.sosborders.com/cgi-bin/sosborders.pl\n\nhttp://www.numbersusa.com
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We need border security immediately and all else should wait.  That will at least restrict illegal immigrants to bottlenecks where they can be more easily managed. (Love the wrestling pigs analogy!) Putting amnesty and guest worker programs in place now while waiting on studies and permission from Mexico to build barriers to future illegal immigration is ludicrous.\n\nLetting the Senate get away with putting a 'rolling' ten year statute of limitations for border crossing in the bill so all illegals have to do is stay 10 years (or forge documents pretending they have) is completely out of line.  The very fact that they slipped that provision in secretly while piously and loudly discussing what illegal immigration may or may not be legalized is dishonest and an insult to our intelligence.  This is an engraved invitation for illegals to enter in the future and is far worse than the amnesty for those already here.\n\nFortunately, the House approach is very different, and any compromise will have to take that into account.  \n\nWrite to your Congressmen about this.
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Just Cause Life In MEX. And Some Other Countries "SUCKS"\nDont Give Someone A RIGHT To Be In This Nation\n\nAnd I Know That Pres.Fox Is CORRUPT But THAT\nDont Give Someone A RIGHT To Be In This Nation\n\nAnd Just Cause You Dont Have A Criminal Record\nDont Give Someone A RIGHT To Be In This Nation\n\nThis Is A NATION With LAWS-THAT IS The REALITY\nThis NATION Of LAWS Has BORDERS\nIt Dont MATTER HOW It Got To Be That Way\nTHAT Is The Way It Is\nThe INDIANs, The BUFFALOs, The WARs, The ESKIMOEs,\nIT DONT MATTER-Thats The WAY It IS\n\nYou Have The RIGHT To Be Here If \n1:You Were BORN Here\n2:You Take The Basic Nessesary Steps To Apply For A VISA And Then CITIZENSHIP And Are APPROVED\nTHAT Is The LAW In THIS NATION\nIF EITHER 1 or 2 Of The ABOVE Are In Fact TRUE\nThen You Are A CITIZEN Of This Nation\nAnd You Have A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT To Be Here\n\nTHATS IT-THATS ALL-There Are NO More Arguements About The RIGHT To Be Here In This NATION Of LAWS\n\nILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS Have No Constitutional Rights\n\nYou CANNOT "STEAL" The RIGHT To Be Here As You CANNOT STEAL ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS\nIf You DO, You Are A FELON\nYouve BROKEN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS\nIf You VIOLATE The FEDERAL LAWS Of A NATION, You Are A CRIMINAL\n\nIts THAT SIMPLE \nIf You Break Into A House To Steal Property, That Is An ILLEGAL ACTION, With A PENALTY If You Are Caught \nIf You SNEAK Across The BORDER Of A NATION To STEAL The RIGHT To Be There, That Is An ILLEGAL ACTION, With A PENALTY If You Are Caught\n\nILLEGAL ALIENS in America are here only because they are GUILTY of CRIMINAL VIOLATION  of our FEDERAL LAWS, . They are Morally Culpable for Shoving Aside those who ADHERE To The LAW and enter these United States in Orderly and Legal Fashion. \nSince when do Criminals and Cheaters receive pride of place for the Blessings of Liberty, over those Honestly, earnestly and Faithfully seeking to become American Citizens?Is It FAIR To Those That Have Applied For Their Visas?And LEARNED The Language?And PASSED The REQUIRED MEDICAL EXAMINATIONS?? \n\nPresident Bush has called for a reasonable and civil debate over the issues of border security and immigration reform. But the American people understand there can be no responsible immigration reform UNTIL OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE. “Guest worker” amnesty programs ARE NOT a part of border security. Amnesty is not the answer. To grant amnesty to these trespassers is to say "You crossed our borders ILLEGALLY, You BROKE OUR LAWS and now we are REWARDING you with U.S. Citizenship -- Congratulations!" \n\nThis is unacceptable.\n\nTo Illustrate the Absurdity of a "Comprehensive" approach to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS-\n\n-We don't take a comprehensive, humane approach with drug dealers because they are breaking our laws and causing great damage to this country by poisoning our children.\n\n Similarly, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS  Violate our Laws and Poison our System of Economics by TAKING JOBS from American Workers, Keeping WAGES ARTIFICIALLY LOW, and Sucking MILLIONS of Dollars of TAXPAYERS MONEY out of our Welfare and Medical Systems.\n \nNot To Mention The Fact That A Majority Of ILLEGAL ALIENS Live And Work In This Country And Then Send Their Money Back Home To Their Families (Whatever Nation Their Families Live In) Therefore DRAINING The Economy Even Further. \nWhen The US Dollar Leaves The US... Its GONE From The American Economy.
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Why not put it in writing, and call it the 'mexico needs to go home Act'? Bluntly spoken, that's what all this is about, not about foxes and rabbits, but about an indigent nation(well, not really, but they still screw their people regularly) trying to permanently ingratiate and integrate itself into the american fabric. Increasingly, americans are seeing a Big Problem with all of this, and already they're starting to work on things like recalls for pro-mexico politicians etc., with some degree of success. Hopefully, when the House goes national and starts canvassing the individual states through polling, the issue will be brought to a head, and dealt with, and in such a way that it sends the message 'don't go away mad, just go away' to Mexico.  Mexico fully has the potential to be independently wealthy. It's just that they choose to keep leeching off america in any/every concievable way, from trying to advocate 'growth'(open borders), more debt(more money for their people in america), and yes mexico's got advocates that are active in our american political system(see 'conflict of interest). At the end of the day, though, it boils down to a fair amount of incompetence, and no small amount of intellectual dishonesty on the part of our own representation also, along with sweetheart deals on behalf of big business that wants only more fresh mexican meat. Last time I checked, this country wasn't a wholly owned subsidiary of either Exxon, or Big Lettuce. Both can go to hell and have a GREAT day, for my nickel, we're talking about YOUR rights, liberties, citizenship, birthright, etc etc etc being sold down the river by a politician with a relative in the meat-packing industry etc. The more of THOSE clowns that can be weeded out prior to election day, the better off we are. \nThere's a workforce of approximately 150 million people in America. There ARE no jobs 'that americans won't do'. This type of rhetoric grits the teeth of most people that have worked for any measurable amount of time in america, and it's time to call some of our so-called 'representation' on the carpet about it, and get some reforms instituted so that Mexico understands FULL and WELL that 'the game is up' for their cross-border psuedo-law shenanigans.  \n\nCutting handout programs that practically encourage people to 'run for the border' would be a GREAT start. But, it's not the only step, another great step would be actual border enforcement that bars no holds, works as advertised, is publicly accountable, is provided sufficient external oversight by a disinterested 3rd party, is audited, and is equipped with the necessary wherewithal to accomplish its' job in a quick and efficient manner. \n\nTake the handout money, and buy a fleet of 2nd hand charter buses, and 10 airplanes. Hire top-flight mechanics and drivers, \nget the border fence(s) built, and take care of business. No more tap-dancing, no more excuses, no more half-ass half-measures,\njust get the job DONE. Take note of the people that bitch loudest, and see how many 'friends' they have in places like Mexico. \n\nThere is That Which Is America, which needs to be preserved and not sold down the river for $2,500 as the Senate would gladly do. And, yes, there are other countries that let their people go to america, they, too, can fix their own domestic problems instead of expecting america to do it. Places like Africa can discover 'birth control' and 'reading'...this isn't rocket science, either...
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why is your avatar brown? do u know the same proponents for these immigrant acts could turn on you by revoking your citizenship if you're 1st generation American. They are proposing that if your parents are illegal and you are born here, that you be illegal as well. It doesn't matter that you grew up here or speak perfect English and this is the only culture you know. I am not for less or more border protection, I am against non-sensical immigration laws that call it a felony if I help an immigrant by giving them food, water or a place to rest their head. What about the church helping these people? What about doctors for that matter? Racist legislators want to call it aiding and abetting a felon. Yes, make no mistake about it, it's pure unadulterated racism.