I remember when Hillary clinton used to stress how bad the borders were and that she was "ademantly against illeagal immigration" and now she standing up and fighting for amnesty??? Doesn't this tell you that she's only supporting what's popular, in order to gain popularity?\n\nI'm not against immigration by any means, just illegal immigration. I pay alot of taxes and alot of illegal immigrants send money home to mexico, where it becomes much more valuble and none of that money goes back into our economy. I used to dig ditches for plumbing along side some mexicans who were making $1 more an hour than me, off the street, and didn't have to pay one cent in income taxes. That's a bit frustrating, considering they weren't working any harder than me(if not less). I agree that some U.S. citizens are lzy and refuse to work hard, but atleast they spend their money here in the U.S..\n\nSo why has Hillary changed her mind?
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"Doesn't this tell you that she's only supporting what's popular, in order to gain popularity?"\n\nExactly.\n\nI know where you're coming from with the illegal immigration issue, but how do you know what it's like to be in their position? They're working their butts off to pay for their family's expenses while americans on the other half are working to gain money to buy things that tickle their fancy.  Not all money should go to the economy here in the U.S. anyway..... it may cause inflation and the U.S. has enough money to begin with. You probably know immigrants are only doing it for their own good.... but what if you were them?\nSome immigrants do it the illegal way because they have no clue whereabouts to do it legally or don't know a word of English. I know this because my mom came into the U.S from Mexico.... the legal way, though.\n\nBy the way, isn't it funny when the word immigrant comes about, Mexicans are the ones who come to mind? Mexicans aren't the only ones....There are Asians, Irish, Germans, ect. too. Just something to keep in mind.
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Mexican illegals are almost in mayority poor people without education. People like these are always being taken advantage of by U.S. business owners getting the low paying jobs no american would accept, and by the Mexican goverment allowing them to travel in most cases risking their lives to the U.S. so that they earn some dollars and send them to their families. And sooner or later, directly or inderectly, mexican polititians get the money. Now that few dollars multiplied by millions of mexican workers becomes Mexico politiians´third largest income. \nThe illigal immigration is wrong, but it has been this way everywhere ever since there are borders; all rich countries have a poor neighbor, and they allways permit a number of "illegal immigrants" to cover all the unwanted jobs but when the immigrants become too many, then it becomes a problem. There is a price to pay if one wants a cheep labour force and the U.S. is paying it. White americans have not learned from the past, when they bought africans to be their cheap labour force once, and now they have had to learn to live with african americans, and that was the price. This time they permitted the Mexicans for cheap labour and now they they will have to learn to live with a large number of latin american immigrants. Now, remember that americans were illigal immigrants in the northern part of Mexico but with the help of a corrupt Mexican president payed a small sum, managed to keep all that territory that became California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. How much has the U.S. really gained from those states that were once Mexico??? Did Mexico not lose??\nNow, that is the way it is, and borders are the way they are,  but at least some U.S. citizens should not be so cruel when they talk about "illegal immigrants". These are just poor desperate people trying to survive economicaly since they have no posibility in their "pueblitos". A "funny" thing is that the cruelest comments I´ve read seem to be from descendants of poor immigrants.
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I say 'to hell with Mexico'. The United States spends billions annually, subsidizing mexican citizens for this, that, and the other, I think our country even sends money directly to theirs to prop it up. Mexico's answer? More people swarming north with an entitlement mentality. \nWell mexico/mexicans, guess what? Americans, the people that live on the land you lost during the war and signed away on the treaty of guadalupe-hidalgo in 1848, long before any of us were born, are tired of the crime, the social problems, and the attitude. If you're going to move to america, lose the mexican flag and se hablo englais. Not because we hate you, or because we hate mexico, but because this is the here-and-now. I will never employ a mexican illegal, period, end of story. When I go to the store, if I can't get a clerk that can do stuff and help people en englais, and/or has the big attitude about it, that's a manager's complaint. I support fining holy hell out of employers that knowingly hire illegals, if they want to hire mexican citizens they can vote with their feet and take their businesses TO mexico.  \n\nWhat I think is funny is that more and more republicans are finally seeing bush and company for what they are, a bunch of total sellouts. \n\nlegal immigration works for america, what they've done with the mexico issue is set the country up for a train wreck, eventually...
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I don't know his reasoning behind the Minuteman thing.  I have to say I was kind of surprised by that.  It may just be that he doesn't want an international incident while we are working things out still, domestically.\n\nI think he really does want to strengthen the border, so in that sense I don't think he is 'supporting illegal immigration'.  He is then trying to increase legal immigration through a guest worker program, since people wanting cheap labor was obviously one of the reasons the problem got where it did.  If his program worked perfectly (people actually go back at the end of their visas, etc.) it would mean we would still get immigrants, but at least they would be in the system.  Meanwhile the criminals and terrorists could be kept out.\n\nStopping the flow of illegal immigrants has a huge economic effect on Mexico, granted it was because our money was being sent 'home' there while the services for supporting the worker and his family were being used in this country.  It would be something any Mexican President would be interested in, and both Fox and his leftist opponent are running on platforms based on OUR immigration laws.\n\nI think Bush's main priority is the national security issue of securing the border, and he has the other elements in place to build a consensus and (with regards to the illegals already here) for reasons of practicality and humanity.\n\nI wouldn't think it was a bad system as long as the border were secured BEFORE legal immigration were increased.  However, there are absolutely people lobbying for even more relaxed immigration.  The pro-illegals are asking for a rolling statute of limitations that would make illegal immigrants legal if they could get here illegally and remain here for three years.\n\nContact the Senate Majority leader and House Leader with your concerns, since they will have the greatest impact on negotiating the actual Bill to be voted on.
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Honey, you are barking up the wrong tree by trying to rationalise this problem with those who are willingly crossing our borders and breaking our laws.  Why SHOULD they change this behaviour?  Why SHOULD they fix their own country's system?  They can come here, illegally, but no one seems to mind.. they can work for cash and pay no taxes and take that money back to Mexico.. AND they can apply for and RECIEVE public assistance..INCLUDING welfare CHECKS.. and all of THAT money goes back to Mexico as well.  WE are funding their country and their government only has to tell them HOW.   Don't think for a minute that this is fantasy.. I worked for the department of Social Services in California and I was REQUIRED to give them the benefits even though they were illegal.. and I was FORBIDDEN to even SAY the words 'green card' to them. why?  because it might OFFEND them!!  Needless to say, I didn't stay long.. but I did take the time to talk to many of my clients.. yes, the illegal ones [after all, they made up 90%!! of my case load] and they explained the entire process to me.. all the time LAUGHING at how STUPID we Americans are to ALLOW them to do it.  So, I know what I'm talking about.
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Right here with you sealrborders!  Keep up the good work!  You have tons of support, believe me!  Don't let the few illegal-huggers get you down!  Ignore the nasty names - that's what they resort to because they really know you are right and they haven't got a single good argument for why they are pro-illegal immigrants, other than because they, themselves, are illegal or they are in love with an illegal, or their parents or other relatives or friends are illegal (they, themselves, are often anchor babies and so want their parents to get that easy amnesty George Bush is promising them), or they own businesses and hire illegals to take advantage of the slave labour, or they hire them to clean their houses, mow their lawns, or look after their children, again for cheap slave labour that they don't want to lose because they are too cheap to pay proper wages to legal immigrants or American citizens.\n\nBelieve me, we loves ya!\n\nPS:  Especially ignore sqwirlsgirl - she's one of the above-described illegal-huggers, I just haven't quite figured out which one yet.
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OK here is my spin. I support the amnesty position...that being said I DO NOT support DEMANDING amnesty.  \n\nTHAT BEING SAID....illegal immigrants have lived next door to all of us for the last 10-20 years.  You have probably talked, laughed, drank a beer with quite a few.  This CRAZINESS that the US is currently experiencing has been a blister waiting to pop for years.\n\nNOW...now we are all up in arms.  \n\nSo to finally answer the last part of your question.  I read an article not long ago that stated illegal aliens generate 77 billion dollars that the states are reaping the benefits of as well as Mexico...so I feel that stimulates BOTH economies.  \n\nI cannot tell you if any one of them will appreciate it.....I would hope that they and their children and all generations after do....but....who can say.
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I think that a bill needs to be passed to help curb illegal immigration.  There are plenty of opportunites for people to legally immigrate.  Do it legally.  Then there won't be this problem.  I applaude the independant people who stand along to US/Mexico border to help stop the illegal immigration.  I don't think that the illegal immigrants realize how much of a strain they place on the US economy.  They can't get health insurance, driver's licenses or any of the things that they need.  Everyone else is forced to pick up the tab for them.  I feel bad for the kids of illegal immigrants who are US citizens but that's the chance that their parents tooks when they chose to move here illegally.  They need to go!  I know that sounds mean but that's how I feel.
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OK! I have just about had it with this immigration Bulls**t!!\nLet's get one thing straight here and now.  The US was founded on LEGAL IMMIGRATION, get it?!!  That means people who went through the proper channels (like myself) who lined up and waited to be seen, who had every facet of their private lives invaded during interviews, who waited patiently for their Visas and other documents, who paid the price and who are now helping the economy by paying TAXES as all other legal Americans do.\n\nFallacy number 1: The US needs illegal immigrants: yeah just like the average human being needs a new @sshole where their forehead used to be!!!  The US does NOT need illegal immigrants, in fact the opposite is true... all of you who feel that illegal immigrants are more worthy of government benefits and taxpayer subsidized lifestyles raise your hands... if your hands are currently in the air - your boat leaves the NY harbor this evening - don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out - perhaps Mexico will support you in return for all of the illegals that we have taken in.\n\nFallacy number 2:  Illegals do the work that lazy Americans won't do...truth: the "lazy Americans" will do any job that the GREEDY @ssed fruit farmers will pay a decent wage for!!! the difference between an American working for $5.00 an hour and an illegal Mexican working for $5.00 an hour is about $1.75 an hour TAX which the American can go to jail for not paying whilst the ILLEGAL Mexican wants everyone to hold hands and sing about how he is having a hard time getting the "lazy American" to pay his 5 kids healthcare and college funds.\n\nLet's all get a grip on reality... Americans have NOTHING against immigrants no matter where they come from - what we have a problem with is a bunch of whiny @ssed illegals circumventing the system and slapping every LAW ABIDING LEGAL immigrant in the face along the way.\n\nNow I have a question:  There were a reported 20,000 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS (aka fugitive felons) openly walking around as a crowd in California on Monday...where the hell were the border patrol and INS??? what exactly do we pay taxes for if they can scoop them up by the bucket load and there is not one damned immigration enforcement agent in sight???\n\nAnd yet again... with regards to the answer below:  The US railroad was not built by the US Government but by greedy @ssed private companies that used slave labor - not immigrant labor - true, not every facet of American history is a rosy picture, but then neither is the history of ANY country.  Mexico sent 5,000 troops against a pitiful handful of men led by a terminally ill officer, that were holed up in a CHURCH (hmmm... attacking a holy place with enough men to outnumber it's defenders 50-1, now that's what I call courage!!!), the fact of the matter is that there is not enough government money to go around amongst those who are here legally so why should we stretch the pot further to cover those who have no legal right to be here?\nIf you feel that these poor fugitive felons deserve your love and attention then you put them up - on your dime without any help from the government... a small point of note for you, as a LEGAL immigrant, my wife had to sign a document called an affidavit of support - this document DENIES me the right to receive ANY government benefit... PERIOD, and I entered the country LEGALLY... so you tell me why it is fair to pay healthcare and education, and to subsidize the lifestyles of those who would choose to break our laws whereas those who wish to abide by them get screwed by you the people..... if you want to reform immigration laws then go ahead, you have my unwavering support, provided that is, that you are changing the laws for LEGAL immigrants not illegal aliens.\n\nOh! and when we become full to capacity in this country to the point that laws are passed governing whether or not you may legally procreate (big grown-up word for have
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*Noddling for this is an interesting question* I can sum my thoughts up simply using one word from the topic.\n\nILLEGAL!!! Says it all dun ya think?\n\nNow for the more expanded version...\n\n1st I wanna say I have no prob with immigrants, after all most of the people we concider American's ancestors (and some of mine) were immigrants who came here by legal means. There is no problem there.\n\nBut, I do have a problem with the huge amount of money being shelled out by us tax payers to pay for welfare, education, medical ect to someone here illegally.\n\nNot only that, it is evident here in states on the borders that businesses are using low wage/under the table pay Illigals as their workers. And we are not just talking picking fruit in fields. All sectors are now affected by it, from construction, to manufacturing, to high tech trade jobs. It is wrong that Americans who wish to work cannot find work at a reasonable wage and must resort to accepting near minimum for positions that took years of educational expenses and experience to be able to do or to go on unemployment as they cannot find the work that pays a reasonable wage to meet living expenses or to move to areas not as affected by the situation...\n\nIt is past time our government here in the US starts representing the US people and stop accepting big business money to ignore the problem.\n\nJust my 2 cents...
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Democrats see amnesty as a means of collecting voters.  Immigrants generally vote as a democratic block.  Anything that gets more votes and helps them stay in power is attractive to democrats.\n\nRepublicans see amnesty as a means of ensuring cheap labor for business.  If the people who fund their campaigns tell them that illegal immigrants play an important economic role in their business then, hey, you can't touch that.\n\nNeither of them are interested in doing what's right for the country.  Neither of them are paying attention to the agenda Mexico plays in this political game.  Mexico is encouraging its citizens to enter the USA illegally.  As far as Mexico is concerned the USA illegally conquered parts of Mexico and now Mexico is reconquering it back.  Mexico claims they have a right to be here.
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Hello Vince, I do not (Support Illegal Immigration) because I would be supporting something that is against the laws of the United States. I do though Support Legal Immigrants. If I went to your Country they would probably arrest me & have me De-ported. I cannot & will not (Support An Illegal Act)this should not be mis-understood! The United states Tax Paying Citizen has to pay for the Authorities to House Illegals in our Jails& the Jails have been overcrowded for many years now. I have not heard anyone saying that they won't Support a Legal Immigrant. The American Citizen worked the Fields before the Mexicans did here in america, & now they do not want to pay what the American is really worth. I Love Mexico & it's (Sweet & Innocent People over there. If the Illegals just waited it out to become Citizens than what is the Big Problem.  Good Luck & Take Good Care.
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I am in favour of this - COUNT ME IN!  DEPORT THEM ALL!  NO EXCEPTIONS, NO EXCUSES, NO COMPROMISES, NO AMNESTY!  Get whatsherface out of the church and ship her over the border asap, and any other illegal aliens as soon as they are found!  \n\nI read in the news recently that the FBI arrested 10,000 criminals in a one week sting - if this can be done, more than 10,000 illegal aliens can also be found and deported every week.  If this is done consistently, yes, we WILL deport ALL of the illegal aliens - no more of this "we can't possibly deport 12 million illegals.  YES, WE CAN!!  To heck with the cost of deportation - if we get busy and consistent with deportation, it won't be long before many will run back across the border out of the USA on their own steam!  If, at the same time, we also hammer ALL companies who hire illegals, even if it means fining them to the point where they have to shut down business, sobeit!!  And, at the same time, shut off ALL access to social benefits such as food stamps, medicaid, illegal children in our schools, etc., believe me, they will start leaving on their own very soon.  \n\nSo, yes, I'm IN FAVOUR!
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I think she goes ballistic when people disagree with her.  I am not for illegal immigration or law breakers of any kind, but I'm not killing illegal aliens for her.  But, bully's make their own laws and in the name of righteousness of no amnesty, sealed borders, and no illegal immigration, and God probably,  she appears hell bent on stuffing it down our throat her way, or the highway, or her latest -- landmines at the border to blow up illegals.  Hell, even the Minute Men aren't that spoiled yet.  I think she's two kinds of crazy.  What's worse she justifies her ways in the name of her sovereignty or by saying someone else made her do it.  They use wierd words like colonization -- all that white supremist buzzwords.  The cowards way out.\n\nI've clicked on some of those links to see what they're selling, and yeah,, it's Neo-con alright.  Even my own anglo ancestory is embarrassed at some of these zealots!  Both my parents are professionals and they hardly take these harcore views.  \n\nShe's become a real joke.  She's now acting like Osama Bin Laden, changing her look every hour on the hour!  She's outrunning the guy who cloned her.  Did you see that?  It's hardcore, just like her style of screaming at us everyday!\n\nThe truth, I'm starting to feel sorry for her.  We may lose her over the cliff, you know like edge herself off the planet!  Hope she doesn't act like that in real life.  Wonder what her teeth look like... regards Texas.  I like that state.  I speak a little Spanish (little swear words, ok)
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Yes it is.  I think people somehow view it as racist to not reward people in the US illegally.   In fact, I'm tempted to use this argument  the next time I'm in traffic court - "but your honor, if we can give amnesty to those illegally using resources and living in our country without paying taxes, then I deserve amnesty for my speeding ticket."\n\nHowever, Bush baby and his team of morons know good and well that our economy is extremely dependent on Mexican workers.  I do support giving them legal work permits.  Such permits would give them some limited protections against being taken advantage of by employers, but should also limit access to public resources and not allow for their children to be born as citizens (which would require a constitutional ammendment).\n\nTo not do so would cause tremendous inflation.  No..you're not going to get prisoners to work our orchards and fields (ever try to get good work out of a captive workforce..ain't gonna happen) and home prices would skyrocket if contractors were limited to totally legal workers.\n\nAnd yes, I do think the construction industry needs to clean out its illegal work force.  In border states, the widespread use of illegal labor has kept wages down for decades, thus no one views it as an honorable trade anymore.   \n\nI have no problem with paying more for construction but as the wife of an electrical contractor in TX, I can tell you that HE has huge problems getting workers that are worth a darn (no he doesn't use illegal labor).  The current wages probably have a lot to do with the lack of quality labor but he's even tried paying more than prevailing wages and there is just not a pool of good workers anymore.   It would temporarily cripple the industry but maybe that change is worth it.\n\nLike Bill Maher said "let's see Bush try to build a 2000 mile long fence without using Mexican labor."
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No - American Citizens Can SEE Through The LIE That They Are Trying To Hand Us -\nThat Means That We Are NOT As Dumb As They Thought\nTheyre Gonna Have To Come Up With Another Plan, Because Theyre ALL About To Get Deported\n************************\n***In Response To Panchas Answer\n\nThere are 12 million illegal immigrants in this country RIGHT NOW.(WRONG - THERE ARE 20 Million Or More - And They Arrive At A Rate Of 8 Thousand More EACH DAY From MEXICO)\n\nIf they all became LEGAL right now that means:\nThey for sure would be paying taxes.(imagine how much 12 million ppl would contrbute)(HA-HA THEY DONT PAY EM NOW,YOU THINK THEYRE GONNA START IF WE JUST SLAP EM ON THE WRIST??? - AND WHOS GONNA PAY ME BACK FOR ALL THE TAXES I PAID INTO THE SYSTEM ALREADY??? - ID RATHER CUT MY LOSSES AND CHASE)\n\nThey would have to be paid decent wages(thus not lowering wages).(THE WAGES HAVE ALREADY BEEN LOWERED - WHEN WE DEPORT, THE WAGES WILL INCREASE)\n\nThey would no longer be ILLEGAL.(tired of hearing that one,how are ppl illegal).(YEAH BUT 20 MILLION MORE ILLEGALS WILL SHOW UP)\n\nThey would be documented,with health screens,finger prints,background checks.(YEAH AND I SUPPOSE YOU IMAGINE THEYRE ALL GONNA SHOW UP FOR THAT)\n\nThey could no longer be exploited.(THEY EXPLOITED THEMSELVES - DONT BLAME THAT ON US)\n\nI know I am forgetting some things,but I think this is the only solution(here come the insults).(YOURE FORGETTING TOO MUCH TO LIST HERE - BUT ILL LIST 3\nTHEY BROKE OUR LAWS - THEY MUST BE PENALIZED\nMANY OF THEM HAVE STOLEN/FORGED DOCUMENTS - THEY MUST BE PENALIZED\nTHEYRE TAKING JOBS THAT AMERICANS DO WANT)\n\nI don't agree with breaking apart families,or sending ppl away that have been productive members if this society for decades.(I DONT AGREE WITH THAT EITHER - THEYRE "FAMILIES" LIVE IN MEXICO - OR HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE $$$39 BILLION LEAVING OUR ECONOMY INTO MEXICO EVERY YEAR??? - WE SHOULD RE-UNITE THEM WITH THEIR FAMILIES IN MEXICO IMMEDIATELY VIA DEPORTATION)\n\n"Illegal" immigration has been going on for a long time and only now it is a country wide issue.(YES IT HAS BEEN - IS - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - ITS GONNA END NOW)\n\nAnd I don't think all those ppl should be deported because some ppl want to label them as "illegal" or because they are stigmatized.(I DO - AND SO DO 90 PERCENT OF THE OTHER TAXPAYERS IN THIS NATION)\n\nAnd I also think the border should be better looked after.\n(FINALLY - SOMETHING WE CAN AGREE ON)
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i think it's pritty stupid.  i know i lived in Texas & there were tons of mexicans that came over from Mexico.  For the most part, they were all pritty good people.  Working 2 to 3 jobs tryin to support their families back home.  I know they take alll the money, no taxes & what not, but still .. it's not as bad as idiot Bush makes it out to be.  I say spend money on other things, not a frickin wall.