My mom was a jahova witness years ago. reciently i read how scientology practice doesnt allow connection with people who are not scientologists. This whole thing with Katie Holms & Tom cruis was very disturbing to me as their baby is not allowed to be coddled when it cries and when it gets hurt they(scientologists )are to hold the babys head against the object they got hurt on so the energy can be drawn back into the object they got hurt on. This sounds so sad. any scientologists out their want to explain?
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the main thing these cults have in common is they was both started by con men looking to make a Quick Buck. Do your self a favor and research who Ron L Hubbard and Charles Taze Russell was. \nScientologist believe in Scienece Fiction and Jehovahs Witness believe in Christian Fiction.\n\nP.S. Christian fiction being a diffrent version of the bible and doctrines.
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sadly your friend is the victom of a good christian upbringing! jesus brought the word of love and pease. man, invented a religion! in this religion a bunch of wackoos got together and dreamed up a lot of sick ideas and made them law. so for 2000 years people fearing eternal damnation have followed these sick laws. now that people have out grown the need for self punishment, a lot of these sick ideas are now criminal offences. for example, your freind was referring to the old addage, "spare the rod, spoil the child" this means you can beat the hell out of your children and feel good about it because," GOD demands it!"  now days, IT'S CALLED CHILD ABUSE!!  a hopfully  the bitch will get turned in and have to sit her ass in jail or at least have her kid taken away from her! don't you just love that old time religion?
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Scientology! ughhhh tom cruise and his messed up beliefs! why should anybody have to have a "silent birth"?! its totally ridiculous and full of crap.
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cdf-rom: You are a lunatic. No one is trying to sway people away from the faith. Seriously. If you honestly believe that is a real motive for anyone, anywhere in this whole Magdalene/DVC controversy, then you suffer from paranoid delusions and need to get your head checked. \n\nIt just seems weird to a lot of people, myself included, that so many Christians (not all, but a lot) went totally apesh*t over the mere suggestion of Jesus acting like a normal guy of his times.\n\nI really like Mary Magdalene, always have. Never cared much for the Madonna, though. What did she do, really? She had a kid, supposedly while a virgin (not actually true, see Hebrew version of Isaiah 7:14, definitely says young woman, not virgin). So, basically she had a kid. Which is what the "Church Fathers" believed was all women were really good for, anyway. So their number one female figure is a girl whose biggest accomplishment is getting knocked up.\n\nNow take a look at this passage from the Pistis Sophia, referring to Mary Magdalene:\nJesus, the compassionate, answered and said to Mariam:\n"Mariam, thou blessed one, whom I will complete in all the mysteries of the height, speak openly, thou art she whose heart is more directed to the Kingdom of Heaven than all thy brothers."\n\nYeah, she was bright, she got was Jesus was saying, apparently more than his other (male) disciples. And that's nothing compared to the Gospel of Mary (go look it up). So I figure, why not have the female co-star of Christianity be Jesus's wife instead of his mother? She was actually an intelligent woman, rather than just a pregnant one. Aren't we a little past the 'barefoot in the kitchen' era?
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When something is different or "out there," some people just hate it.  But as for Tom Cruise, he's been really offensive and sanctimonious and made comments about Brooke Shields and anti-depressants that was out of line.  Made him look bad, so folks think that's how all Scientologists think, because not a lot is known about the religion. (Other than they believe in aliens as forebears, which smacks -imho - of "heaven's gate," the cult that believed they could get to heaven via haley's comment and killed themselves about 8 or 9 years ago).
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this story is passed on:\nMy aunt was babysitting my cusion, she was swaying her in her hands, my cousin was the only baby at the time, on the baby monitor, they heard a baby grying, my uncle said, check on ashlye will you?, my aunt said, but, ashley is right here, i don't know what that was.\n\nNo one know's who that baby was, but when they went to check in the baby room, all that they could find was the baby crib, and the felt like the room was an ice box!!!!!, is that scary enough for you?
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Hell yes definitely, I went to check it out once and it is quite a strange cult thingey. I never thought TC was attractive but I'm kind of watching this space with interest because now oh horrors he's starting to "share", it'll be a whole new Tom. But the baby should be fine.
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Hi! I'm sorry to hear that. 7 Of Spades and I are still praying for her. Are you her sister? I must tell you that I posted many pleas for prayer and I was sure to phrase it in there form of a question and I was STILL reported. Please be careful! If it isn't phrased to everyone's liking, someone will report you. My question was deleted because someone wouldn't show sympathy. Luckily, I posted many qs for her and received lots of answers. Sorry, I misspelled her name. My source was very upset when he typed it and I used what was given.
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Because they LIE and MISLEAD and MANIPULATE people into joining.  That is what CULTS do.\n\nI would NEVER join that cult.  I'll tell you why... This is what Scientologists ACTUALLY believe:\n\nXenu was an alien ruler of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth in spacecrafts resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together and stuck to the bodies of the living. The alien souls continue to do this today, causing a variety of physical ill-effects in modern-day humans. L. Ron Hubbard (a science-fiction writer and the creator of Scientology) called these clustered spirits "Body Thetans," and the advanced levels in Scientology place considerable emphasis on isolating them and neutralizing their ill effects.\n\nTo rid ourselves of "Body Thetans" and also “engrams” (past negative experiences stored in our unconscious mind) so that we can become “clear”, we have to go through "auditing" with a member of the “church” who uses an "e-meter" to measure our “reactive mind”...... and we have to pay lots and lots and lots of money for “auditing” (purchased in 12.5-hour blocks, costing anywhere from $750 for introductory sessions to between $8,000 and $9,000 for advanced sessions) and to take courses on Scientology to advance to higher “levels” in the “church”.  The “church” has also taken a very hostile stance towards psychiatry and psychiatric drugs irrespective of the fact that some people require medication to remain adequately functional in everyday life.  They deny the reality of chemical imbalance and profound mental disturbance and accordingly do NOTHING to effectively stablize the dangerously unstable.  The “church” has been known to withhold prescription pharmaceuticals from member (with deadly results).\n\nScientology is undeniably a cult. Every cult can be defined as a group having all of the following five characteristics:\n\n(1) It uses psychological coercion to recruit, indoctrinate and retain its members [convincing potential members that they are unhappy and Scientology is the only means of helping themselves]. (2) It forms an elitist totalitarian society. [they label everyone who disagrees or questions as a “Suppressive Person” and requires members to “disconnect” from them] (3) Its founder leader is self-appointed, dogmatic, messianic, not accountable and has charisma. [this would accurately describe Hubbard] (4) It believes 'the end justifies the means' in order to solicit funds & recruit people. (5) Its wealth does not benefit its members or society. [self evident proof for 4 & 5 as it does milk members for virtually everything they have and it’s wealth doesn’t find it’s way back to it’s members or society at all]\n\nCults are extremely harmful. To remain within the strict mental and social confines of a cult for even a short time can have the following disastrous effects:\n\nLoss of choice and free will. Diminished intellectual ability, vocabulary and sense of humor. Reduced use of irony, abstractions and metaphors. Reduced capacity to form flexible and intimate relationships. Poor judgment. Physical deterioration. Malnutrition. Hallucinations, panic, dissociation, guilt, identity diffusion and paranoia. Neurotic, psychotic or suicidal tendencies.
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Tom Cruise said that he was going to eat the placenta after his baby, Suri, was born.  Then he kind of back tracked and said he didn't say that.  Who knows?  I haven't heard if he did or didn't and I guess I don't really care.  He has gone way over the top and entered weirdo land.
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Scientology is not a system of "beliefs". It is an applied religious philosophy. And when I say "applied" I mean it is applied to life and living in all it's aspects with the purpose of improving the conditions of life.\nNothing in Scientology is true, unless it is true for you.\nAnd then it is only true according to your own observation and experience.\nSo there is no belief involved.\nI have studied and applied it to my own life and living for the past 35 years or more. It definitely works for me.\nAs to aliens.....??? No idea where this comes from.\nSilent birth is definitely an ideal environment for both mother and baby if you can arrange it. (Tom Cruise has the resources to do this for his partner Katie and soon to be born, new baby)\nThe reason why is fully explained in Chapter 7 " Prenatal Experience and Birth" in the book "Dianetics The Modern Science of Mental "Health" by L.Ron Hubbard\n\nFor a very good basic book on the subject of Scientology which covers\nall of it's basic principles I would recommend:\n"Scientology The Fundementals of Thought" by the same author.
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Well said Liam,but I think you are far too gentlemanly in your replies to foxtel.This guy is obviously a Scientoligist,which means you cannot have a rational debate with him.He has threatened you with the rtc,this is gang whose sole purpose is to hound,threaten & discredit any-one who dares to disagree with Scientology.They hire private detectives to dig up dirt to blackmail critics into silence,and expensive lawers to threaten legal proceedings.Scietology is not a religeon,it' a mafia,dedicated to gaining as much money & power as possible,using any means,no matter how vile.
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I have always thought that was an absurd thing myself.  How can an innocent child be damned like that?  Personally, I did not have my child baptized.  I have taught her to be open minded and if SHE wants to explore getting baptized into a religion of HER choice, she can do that when SHE deems to.
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Not me, maybe someone else, No, not me, not me.\nSadly this cult thing is very real. I had a nephew that got taken in and it took a lot of professional help to get him back. A year latter he died in a white water raft excision. Witness say he waved goodbye before giving up.
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I was raised a witness and have not spoken with my still believing family members in years, its been very difficult losing my family because I choose to not follow their beliefs. It was very hard to watch and understand as a child how all the sudden no ones allowed to speak with a certain member of the congreation, how easy it was for members to just completely ignore someone theve know for years.As an adult I could certainly never be a member of this religion or any that takes this much control of ones life. Jehovahs Witnesses are considered a cult as previous poster noted.
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God, the supreme being is acknowledge in Scientology. But it is up to each Scientologist to determine the true nature of God. Scientologist is seen by many as a secondary religion and not their primary one. A Scientologist with a Buddhist background would have different view of God from a Scientology with a Jew background. Scientology is only concerned with the human spirit.For example Buddhism is neither concerned with the worshiping of God.\nhttp://www.buddhistinformation.com/what_is_buddhism1.htm\n\nScientology isn't a faith system but a series of proceses that a person uses to find his own truth. Here are some of the principles.\n\n1. What is true for you is what you your self observe to be true.\n\n2. Man is his spirit not his mind or his body. \n\n3. The spirit creates his own mind. Please do not confuse the mind with the brain that is a physical thing. The mind is composed of mental image pictures as explained in Dianetics. These pictures serve the spirit to give him knowlege and experiance. These pictures are composed of energy. The energy in the picture can affect the spirit. You can feel better by remembering something that you like or angry by remembering something else. These emotions are actually energy waves emanated by the picture. You can actually feel pain by remembering a pain memory. Sometimes this pictures are acompanied by ideas or considerations. Lets suposed that you father beat you mom up in front of you. Your father was the dominating figure so you might conclude that you have to act like your father in some situacions. This is what we call in Scientology an aberation (a conclusion that is impose to you by a mental picture). This picture is what we call a engram; A pain memory that affects your judgement and free will. \n\n4. A spirit is capable of considerations and ideas and this ideas are solely based on uglyness and beautyfullness. The spirit reject ugly things and intends on making everything beautyfull. Do you like your car, you house, your job, your friends? Are you friends nice with you? Can you improve things in your life? All these are ideas based on uglyness and beautyfullness. This is why the spirits rejects the ugly memories and by rejecting the ugly memories (not confronting them) he is unknowingly affected by them. \n\n5. You can discharge the energy in this pictures true communication. This is Auditing, the Auditor directs your attention to this pictures regardless of how ugly they are and you confront the picture and discharge the energy of the picture true the communication line. Is like if you have battery, in order to discharge the battery you need to discharged against something. If you try to discharge it against your self is just going to chock you.\n6. Unethical behavior and wrong doings are the #1 reason a spirit diminishes it power. In order to stop your self from hurting others, you hinder your own abilities and force. The rehabilition of your own abilities and force is dependent on you taking full resposability for your actions.\n7. You are fully resposible for your condition. Blaming others for your condition will never solve that condition. It doesn't matter what that condition is, blamming other will never help. Only by fully taking ownership of you condition can you solve that contidition. \n\nScientology is a very interesting religion that takes years of study to master. I just mentioned a few fundamentals. Scientology is so advance and so different that people can't understand it. People think that they know everything there is to know about life. And when they see Scientology they jump to conclusions when in reality they don't have a clue what are they talking about. The reality is that man attacks what he can't understand. That's why Scientology gets so much bad press. \nhttp://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm\nhttp://www.religioustolerance.org/scientol.htm\nhttp://www.beliefnet.com/sem/scientology-religion.asp?source=YAHSCT&campaign=
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It is a cult.  This is what Scientologists ACTUALLY believe:\n\nXenu was an alien ruler of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth in spacecrafts resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes & blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together & stuck to the bodies of the living. The alien souls continue to do this today, causing a variety of physical ill-effects in modern-day humans. L. Ron Hubbard (a science-fiction writer & the creator of Scientology) called these clustered spirits "Body Thetans," & the advanced levels in Scientology place considerable emphasis on isolating them & neutralizing their ill effects.\n\nTo rid ourselves of "Body Thetans" & also “engrams” (past negative experiences stored in our unconscious mind) so that we can become “clear”, we have to go through "auditing" with a member of the “church” who uses an "e-meter" to measure our “reactive mind”...... & we have to pay lots & lots & lots of money for “auditing” (purchased in 12.5-hour blocks, costing anywhere from $750 for introductory sessions to between $8,000 & $9,000 for advanced sessions) & to take courses on Scientology to advance to higher “levels” in the “church”.  The “church” has also taken a very hostile stance towards psychiatry & psychiatric drugs irrespective of the fact that some people require medication to remain adequately functional in everyday life.  They deny the reality of chemical imbalance & profound mental disturbance & accordingly do NOTHING to effectively stabilize the dangerously unstable. The “church” has been known to withhold prescription pharmaceuticals from member (with deadly results).\n\nScientology is undeniably a cult. Every cult can be defined as a group having all of the following five characteristics:\n\n(1) It uses psychological coercion to recruit, indoctrinate & retain its members [convincing potential members that they are unhappy & Scientology is the only means of helping themselves]. (2) It forms an elitist totalitarian society. [they label everyone who disagrees or questions as a “Suppressive Person” & requires members to “disconnect” from them] (3) Its founder leader is self-appointed, dogmatic, messianic, not accountable & has charisma. [Yes, that would be Hubbard] (4) It believes 'the end justifies the means' in order to solicit funds & recruit people. (5) Its wealth does not benefit its members or society. [self evident proof for 4 & 5 as it does milk members for virtually everything they have & it’s wealth doesn’t find it’s way back to it’s members or society at all]\n\nCults are extremely harmful. To remain within the strict mental & social confines of a cult for even a short time can have the following disastrous effects:\n\nLoss of choice & free will. Diminished intellectual ability, vocabulary & sense of humor. Reduced use of irony, abstractions & metaphors. Reduced capacity to form flexible & intimate relationships. Poor judgment. Physical deterioration. Malnutrition. Hallucinations, panic, dissociation, guilt, identity diffusion & paranoia. Neurotic, psychotic or suicidal tendencies.