I know the Bible does not mention the word Trinity, but if you read the Bible in Rev 1:8 God says he is the Alpha and the Omega, and in Rev 1:17 Jesus says he is the First and the Last, i am the living one who died.  Look i am alive forever and ever, and than Rev 22:12,13 Jesus is saying he is the Alpha and the Omega the first and the Last the Beginning and the end. so that means Here in the Bible Jesus is both THE GOD and THE SON OF GOD, so he is Both, and the HOLY SPIRIT. Thank you, So what do you think about this.
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God is God. Jesus is Jesus and the Spirit is the spirit. how can they be one. its simple maths\n1+1+1=3 not 1. even a child can tell you that.\nIts amazing, the power of words. even learned people become brainwashed and dont see what's so apparent . They start saying 1+1+1=1??????????
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alpha and omega refer to the beginning and the end the Lord says that He is the Alpha and the Omega signifying that He is the beginning and the end
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jesus (Peace be upon him) never claimed that he was God and never asked anyone to worship him. i am a Muslim so its clear for us but for christian brothers and sisters i am giving some quotation from BIBLE . so that they may umder stand.\n\nThe Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:\n\n"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad." \n\nThis is a Hebrew quotation, which means:\n\n"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."\n[The Bible, Mark 12:29]\n\n(i) "My Father is greater than I."\n[The Bible, John 14:28]\n\n(ii) "My Father is greater than all."\n[The Bible, John 10:29]\n\n(iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."\n[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]\n\n(iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."\n[The Bible, Luke 11:20]\n\n(v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."\n[The Bible, John 5:30]\nJesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity for himself. He clearly announced the nature of his mission. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God to confirm the previous Judaic law. This is clearly evident in the following statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the Gospel of Mathew:\n\n"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.\n\n"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."\n\n"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."\n[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]\nThe Bible mentions the prophetic nature of Jesus (pbuh) mission in the following verses: \n \n(i) \n"… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me."\n[The Bible, John 14:24]\n \n \n(ii) \n"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent."\n[The Bible, John 17:3]
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Let's get one thing straight. The verses you quoted were statements made by Jesus; not Almighty God. The trinity doctrine that is widely taught in Christendom is really throwing you off. When Jesus is making these statements he's humbly acknowledging that in fact the "father" is greater than him. This is further reiterated in John 14:28. Why would almighty God who knows all things would not know for instance the day of Judgment?_Psalms 83:18 Notice that the scripture that you quoted (Mark 13:2) says in the 2nd part of the verse:"neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the "Father." Again this stresses that Jesus or the Son of God doesn't know the day, but his FATHER would know. Clearly this shows that Jehovah God and Jesus are two different people and that this shows a distinction between them. If Jesus and God were the same wouldn't Jesus know the day of Judgement too?\nThe many other statements that Jesus makes further show that he is not equal to his father._Philippians 2:6: "who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God."_1 Corinthians 11:3, John 20:17. Similiarly, no son is equal to his father or the same as him. Sure they may look alike, talk, or act alike but you recognize them as two separate entities not combined in one. In John 5:19 Jesus makes it clear that he doesn't do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. Also whatever that One does he also does in like manner.\nAfter reasoning from the scriptures you can conclude that from your statements above, Jesus was not only recognizing his father as greater than he was but was giving his father praise and honor by giving him the credit. You can also conlcude that if you read the Bible nodenominationally you would not come to the conclusion that God is part of a trinity which is contradicted in the scriptures. Instead Christ is "one" with God (not literally) in that they are always in harmony with each other just like a husband and wife were to be one as in united together._Genesis 2:24. The trinity really blurs the relationship between God and Jesus and is a source of confusion for many. You can find more information on this particular subject from this link. http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_04.htm
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No version of the Bible is correct. They can't even get Jesus's name right (Isa) or answer why the concept of the Trinity didn't show up in the original manuscripts of John, and yet it started showing up in the Latin translations out of no where.\n\nAny Christian 300 years believed that the Bible is the word of God, and yet it was neither written by God, nor by Jesus, only by people who were assistants to the disciples of Jesus, and wrote what the disciples remembered Jesus saying 50 years after Jesus's ascension into heaven. Also if the Bible is the "complete word of God", then why is it that even to this day, there are extra passages and scriptures being included into it and being found (i.e. The dead sea scrolls)?
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No.\n\n‘Christ according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the holy Ghost the third. Each of these three persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was an equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.’\n\n - Col. Robert G. Ingersoll
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In Jesus dwells ALL the fullness of the Godhead bodily (Col.2:9 below)  - \n\noGod the Father\noThe Holy Spirit of God the Father\noThe Word of God the Father\n\nThe only begotten son of God the Father (Jn.1:14 below), Jesus (the Word - Jn.1:1, Jn.1:14 below), His beloved Son (Matt.3:17 below), was conceived of the Holy Ghost (Matt.1:20 below). \n\nIt is God the Father who conceived in Mary (blessed among women) His very Word through His very Holy Spirit (Matt.1:20 below).\n\nCol.2:9  For in him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily.\n\nJn.1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, (Matt.1:20, Matt.3:17 below)) full of grace and truth.\n\nJn.1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (Re.1:6, Lk.1:47 below).\n\nRe.1:6And hath made us kings and priests unto God (Jn.1:1 above) AND his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.\n\nLk.1:47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour (Jn.1:14, Jn.1:1, Re.1:6 above).\n\nLk.1:68 Blessed [be] the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,\n\nMatt.3:17  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son (Matt.1:20 below), in whom I am well pleased.\n\nMatt.1:20  But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost (Jn.1:14, Matt.3:17 above).\n\n\n\n\nPat (ndbpsa ©)
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God is;  "... Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."Revelation 1:8\n\nand He Loves us so much:\n\n"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."John 3:17-17\n\nand for this we shoud: "Be joyful always" 1 Thessalonians 5:16
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Jesus is NOT God.\n\nJesus proclaimed to be The Son of God.\nJesus is The King of Kings. Lord of Lords.\nJesus Christ is the only way to The Father Jehova.\nJesus Christ is the 2nd in The trinty, not the First.\nThe Holy spirit is the 3rd in the Trinity, not the 2nd.\n\nGod The Father..Jesus The Son. The Holy Spirit in the Trinity, just in that order.\n\nIf Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, He would be called "God in the flesh". Jesus is called"The Son of God"., for a reason. Because He is.\n\nJehovah God said what?  I will have NO other God's before me.\nDon't put Jesus Christ before Jehovah God.\n\nWe are Christians and ONE in Christ through the Blood. \n\nJehovah, Jesus, The Holy Spirit are ONE through the power of God.\n\nWe are Christians _Christ like.\nWe are not Jehovians, Jehova-likes.\nIf we were Jehovah like, we would be "equals to God.\n\nWe are God's children, not God's equals.
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1st of all Jesus said:  He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.—Joh 6:56, 57.\n\nJesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” (Joh 1:14; 3:16, 18) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. (Ge 6:2, 4; Job 1:6) However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,\n\nJesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] . . . gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;\n\nDoes the Bible teach that all who are said to be part of the Trinity are eternal, none having a beginning?\n\nRev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him . \n\nDoes the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty?  Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)\n\nJohn 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”\n\n1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven. \n\nA person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity.\n\nI COULD GO ON & ON WITH SCRIPTURES & EXPLANATIONS, BUT I THINK THIS ALREADY TO LONG FOR SOME PEOPLE.
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it's John 1:1-2 that states "In the Beginning was the Word(Jesus) and the Word(Jesus)was with God and the Word(Jesus) was God." verse 2 says " He was in the beginning with God." so you see He was. And also think on Adam and Eve, since no man can look upon God, how then did they walk with Him? Jesus is the visible form of God that humans CAN look upon! Also seek in the old testament when it speaks of "The Angel of the Lord" you will see when the A is capitalized that the people see Him as a Deity, I believe it's Jesus, given all the studying I've done on the subject. Sampson's parents even made a sacrifice to Him, and He left them as He went up in the smoke of the sacrifice(as Jesus is The Sacrifice)!!! I hoipe this confirms this to you and God bless you.
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"  1) There is one God: Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5.\n\n2) The Trinity consists of three Persons: Genesis 1:1; 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; Matt 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14. In the passages in the Old Testament, a knowledge of Hebrew is helpful. In Genesis 1:1, the plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for "us" is used. That "Elohim" and "us" refer to more than two is WITHOUT question. In English, you only have two forms, singular and plural. In Hebrew, you have three forms: singular, dual, and plural. Dual is for two ONLY. In Hebrew, the dual form is used for things that come in pairs like eyes, ears, and hands. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun "us" are plural forms - definitely more than two - and must be referring to three or more (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).\n\nIn Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking.  Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son.  Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of 3 distinct persons in the Trinity.\n\n3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages: In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The "LORD" has a "Son" (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:18) and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, John 14:16-17 is where Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit. This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all of the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity - the Father.\n\n4) Each member of the Trinity is God: The Father is God: John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2. The Son is God: John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16 (The One who indwells is the Holy Spirit - Romans 8:9; John 14:16-17; Acts 2:1-4).\n\n5) The subordination within the Trinity: Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship, and does not deny the deity of any person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see: Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see: John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and especially John 16:13-14.\n\n6) The tasks of the individual members of the Trinity: The Father is the ultimate source or cause of: 1) the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); 2) divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); 3) salvation (John 3:16-17); and 4) Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father INITIATES all of these things.\n\nThe Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: 1) the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); 2) divine revelation (John 1:1; Matthew 11:27; John 16:12-15; Revelation 1:1); and 3) salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.\n\nThe Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: 1) creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); 2) divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2
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Good question.  God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are both Spirit, as Jesus told the woman at the well in John 4:24;\n\n"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - John 4:24\n\nHowever, God the Son, became a Man approximately 2,000 years ago (that's why we celebrate Christmas).\n\nAs far as God walking through the Garden with Adam & Eve, either this was a pre-incarnate God the Son (know as a theophany) or this is anthropomorphic language (language that describes God in human-like terms).\n\nI lean toward the theophany interpretation.  There are several such events in the Old Testament (usually described as "The Angel of the LORD).  Just as Jacob wrestled with God and got his hip knocked out of socket (Genesis 32), so Adam walked with God in the Garden.
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You are right. Trinity is a pagan belief and imagined by so called Christians. Here are some thoughts:\n\nJohn 1:1. The verse speaks of two Gods, but it does not imply equality. Too, the holy spirit is not mentioned in that verse. By the way the word "god" or "God" is a title and can be applied to Jesus. ( Psalm 82:1-6; etc)\n\nThe holy spirit is not a person. It is God's active force. See Acts 2:1-4. As such "it" can be given to persons. ( Example see John 20:22) It has no name, no face--unlike the father, and the son.\n\nMat 28:19. Baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit. Does not imply the personality of the spirit, nor the equality of the 3. Since the holy spirit has no name. The word "name" in that verse refers to reputation. ( Psalm 22:1). Things--like electricity, roads, holy spirit--have reputations.\n\nJesus himself admitted that his father is greater than he is. (John 14:28) He admitted that he has limited powers. ( See Matthew 20:20-23; 24:36; John 5:30, etc) So, how can he be equal in power to God?\n\nOh well, you can not convince people who have made up their minds. Those who try to support the trinity are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. They simply can not.\n\nAs the saying goes: 'DO NOT GIVE ME THE FACTS, I HAVE ALREADY MADE UP MY MIND'.
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There is truth and it is NOT relative. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." He also said He was God. So either He was a liar or a lunatic or who He said He was. That leaves us with three choices that really become two. Jesus was God and the Truth, or He was a madman and truth is an illusion.
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Jesus is the one true God. Some people think that he was just a prophet from God, but he actually died for our sins. I mean the Jews rejected him, but what he went through at the cross, no one would have survived a part of what he went through. I am a struggling christian I admitt it, I am, because I am just not use to all the things that we r suppose to obey. But I am learning slowly. Hey but at least I am still learning more and more about God that I thought I understood before. The Bible is all the proof you need. I would sudgest to get a New King James Version to help you understand the words a little. I even have trouble understanding it. Hey I'm 15 I can have an escuse to have a little trouble. ~LOL~ Also look at Probvers, Acts, and Revlations. They will tell you of how he died for you, what is coming for us in the rapture, and how we should act as christians. I hope you take of what I said into concideration.
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This is a good dilemma for the Born Again crowd.  Of course to those of us who belong to church of revealed rather than traditional religion it poses no problem.  God the Father and Jesus Christ are NOT the same person.  The Bible never teaches that they are the same person.  Therefore there is no problem about what God the Father was doing at the time His son was born into mortality.  They are two separate and distinct personages.  Both members of the Godhead--NOT the trinity as apostate Christians attempt to explain.