Loose GWB's 'rule of law' on earth,\nget "law worketh wrath" from above?\nTsuanmi...Katrina...Alpha & Omega?\n\nGod hath NOT appointed us unto wrath: 1Thess 5:9\n("Allegory": His Grace hath not appt'd us unto law)\nGod hath provided some "better" thing for "us": Heb 11.
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my interpretation of this verse has to do with sin.  If you repent this sin on earth, it will be forgiven in heaven.
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Say: "O People of the Book! Let us rally to a common formula to be binding upon both us and you: That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him; and that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God." (Qu'ran, 3:64)\n\nThis is our call to the Jews, a People of the Book: As people who believe in God and obey His commands, let us come together in a common formula of "faith." Let us love God, the Lord and Creator of all of us. Let us abide by His commands. Let us pray to God to lead us further on the path of righteousness. Let us bring love, compassion, and peace to each other and the world, not hostility, bloodshed, and anguish.\n\nThat is where the solution to the Palestinian tragedy and other conflicts in the world lies. The deaths and suffering of so many innocent people remind us every day what an urgent task this is.\n\nSee the following site:\nhttp://www.palestiniantragedy.com/
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Analysis of Christianity. Too many contradictions, without a single shred of proof anywhere. Not one. For example, an invisible, magical, all-mighty, omnipotent being, who can do anything imaginable, and is controlling everyone's lives, yet conveniently doesn't make public appearances seems outlandish to me. Also, "God" is supposed to be perfect and free of sin, and expects us to be free of sin as well to gain his favor. But "God" himself is a sinner. There are seven deadly sins, and "God" is guilty of nearly half of them, proven (sic) in scripture. Wrath is one of the sins, and "God" is so guilty of this, it's a cliche' ("Wrath of God"). Envy is another one. "Though shalt worship no other gods, for thy God is a jealous God" (somewhere in Exodus). I don't buy any of it. I could go on and on, but you get the general idea.
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I think that verse reveals a lot of modern evanglicalism to be out of step with Scripture. We have a very friendly, easy gospel preached in America where salvation is all up to us. John 6 teaches its not up to us at all in fact we contribute nothing to our own salvation including the will to believe. We are so totally depraved in our sin that we cannot even worship God unless he makes us worshippers. Very humbling.
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Don't forget "thou shall not kill"!!!!!!!! The Commandments list moral wrongdoings, similar to our laws, yet these Biblical laws are forbidden from public view, because of what? Because they are Christian values, that our forefathers held true!!!!!\n\n\nBTW the SEC is a better conference!!!!LOL
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~Carrot and stick.  \nThe mythology and attendant social control and taxation policies of the hierarchy fall flat on their butt if there is no promise of reward for subservience (heaven) and threat of punishment (hell)  via a bogeyman (Satan) to those who don't bite at the bribe.  \nPretty simple Machiavilian theory, isn't it?  That's why some brilliant, avaricious, power mongering control freak came out of his cave and created god.  That and to explain why it always rains when you've got a tee time with the only duffer you can beat.\n\nAh, well.  Gooblaskeera's will will be done.
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You know, YOU take the Bible more literally than we ""Bible-thumpers"" do! You here, not us, seem to be claiming that every single verse in the Bible MUST be taken literally, and we believe that, yes, there really are verses that are meant only to be taken as allegory. Did Gd actually ""walk"" in the Garden of Eden? YOU seem to say that this, too, must be taken literally, and not us!\n\nSo, it is possible, FOR US, to ""Believe in"" the Bible without taking Every Single verse literally, although you seem to say this verse must be taken literally for us to believe in it....
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It makes sense, but what about the Old Testament times when there was no Grace (in the sense of Christ)?\n\nThose people couldn't follow His law perfectly, either. The Old Testament speaks of those who were considered righteous by God because they believed. Not necessarily because they did the right things all the time. Look at David - he broke every one of the 10 Commandments! Saving grace wasn't part of the equation then - at least not the way we understand it from the Gospels. \n\nBut since God still loved the righteous (believers), I suppose you could consider that Grace. It becomes a matter of semantics. It just makes me wonder why - if He intended to provide saving grace from His law - He couldn't have just explained the gospel of grace to those people?
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"the present heavens(universe) and earth by His(God's) word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men...the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up." (2 Peter 3)\n\nIn light of God's revelation, we should be investing in and looking for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
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you really are hung up on the law and grace thing aren't you?\nGrace isn't a scapegoat, that you can just go around and do and say what ever you please and then say I have grace to cover me. Grace is not the license to ignore the parts of the bible you don't like or agree with,and do as you please. \n    We are held accountable for the words we speak, even the words we speak about ourself. Words sting the heart, they wound the heart, and after a while of hearing something said to you, about you, you will start believing and behaving in that manner, yes we have the power to do that in our own life, God said so.
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I think it is a great book and very true.  I really think that most people who are destined to hell, would prefer it much more than heaven.  It is like what is shown in the book of Revelations in the Bible.  Even though people know that the plagues and punishments were being given to them from God, due to their disobedience and sinfulness, they cursed God and still did not repent from their sins.  It is a sad commentary on the selfishness and sinfulness of mankind.  C. S. Lewis is a great author with a great grasp on the human condition!
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And the war over slavery was bloody.  how is this god the same yesterday, today and forever?\n\nslavery is not condemned as hellish, it says,\n\n" do not become slaves of men " and then " slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. "\n\nand how does that work out for you?  submitting to the harsh?\n\nUD:\n\nahc24- you are mad!
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If by the term law, you mean the Ten Commandments, then they are there for us to understand God's will for our lives. They define and teach us, and others, about sin. This is a separation from God, and our fellow man, because of a lack of love and from being self centered.\n\nWhen Jesus asked "What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?"  He was answered, "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."  Jesus then said to him, "You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE."\n \nThe first three commandments have to do with loving and honoring God. If they are at the top of the list, how important must they be? It was for this, that Christ died for us. To forgive us of the sins we committed, and allow us to come to know and love the one and only living God, creator of all things. Jesus is the way, truth and life.
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You know my friend I try not too underestimate the ablity of a person to mess something up.  \n\nThe Law was ment to guide us in the Lords way and we made it into a thing that squelshes who God is... And to beat others down... weither it is the 10 commandments the 613 or say things that modern christians can get legalistic about.  \n\nAnd unfortunately people have taken Grace to that extreme too... I mean we've all met people who say "I am born again I can do anything I want..." they think that they can throw obedience out the window... it is sad!\n\nMay God help us... to see the truth of the Law and the truth of his Grace
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Grand Ayatollah Sistani, as we all know, no decree is infallible, as man is not infallible, which does make for the reasoning behind these decrees coming to being in the first place, which makes divine inspired laws, or even earthly laws (which some may feel to be the same thing), just a wish, command, or a good intention through this understanding.  If this were not so, the word infallible would not be in every dictionary on the globe.  Free will is what enables man to find himself in the right place, if he so chooses wisely, as to these decrees, in any religion.(or society)  Free will is what also enables man to find himself imprisoned, or worse, if he so chooses poorly, as to these decrees, in any religion (or society)  Most laws are dictated in America, and elsewhere, by the norms, and popular beliefs of values.  And these values have remained pretty much the same for thousands of years, and in almost all cases, civility and rights towards other humans has actually very much improved.  And oddly, throughout VAST time, what was taboo then, and hidden, for whatever reason, still is today, globally, Grand Ayatollah Sistani.  And although some things do not fit within my realm of norm, I do know that many freedoms of choice that do not hurt others, when restrained, can hurt others.  As an example of changes in other ways, or out-dated in realm of the norm, I don't think marrying family is accepted at all in decrees any longer, like as it was acceptable in the Old Testament, but we know through science now that this tends to cause unnecessary mental-illness and deformity issues.  I feel that globally, most of the world treats each other in a civilized and rational manner.  But I also feel that some divine decrees made, and expected to be adhered to, are uncivilized, irrational and tyrannical as far as towards the treatment of other human beings.  It is like imprisonment on earth for some, so I have heard.  Which Church was it that broke away from the Catholic Church due to what they, the Catholics, decreed as not a norm, yet had adolescent boys for entertainment almost nightly?  This is why we have separation of Church and State in America, this is why most decrees have stayed the same for a VERY, VERY long time, unless of course for your rational, or common-sense, moving forward decrees that have changed due to big-picture, long-haul, or facing the facts problems solving solutions that we haven't been able to fix others ways before.  I wish you the best of luck on your endeavors in Iraq, but will tell you that I am highly disappointed that I have not received a letter back from you, from your web-site you had provided here for this purpose, here at YA, in regards to some questions I had for you regarding the Iraq that you wish to represent.  It was a very long, well-thought out and respectful letter, so I am sure you could not have over-looked this one.  I have worked in politics before, and I can tell you, If I were your constituent, you would have lost me.  There is a saying in America, Grand Ayatollah Sistani, easy come, easy go.  Good Luck.
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Accusation, source of accusation, is mentioned in John 5:45. God's grace (which came by JC) does not accuse, rather it's Moses' law which accuses, law being accuser of the brethren. \n\nLaw and Grace are also compared in John 1:17, and as if lie and truth are being compared. \n\nAs for being right to make others wrong, such is a blame game played by scape-goats vs dumb-sheep, which only inducts all players on both sides into a hall of shame rather than a hall of fame. Such a sides war is divisional rather than peaceful. Paul says mark and avoid them which cause division: Rom 16:17. For Christ (the end of the law: Rom 10:4) is our peace who hath abolished the law: Eph 2:14.\n\nNot to mention we are exhorted not to mind "high" things, nor be "highminded", which is to say never mind being right of such left/right, for even the right side thereof gives place to the left; And the God of all grace, truth thereof "God cannot lie", does not give place to law and lie thereof. Which is to say this God (Majesty) on "high" (Heb 1:3) in the (plural and divided) "heavens" (Heb 8:1) is divisional, having law to the left hand, grace to the right hand. Above such ("higher than the heavens") is "the only true God" of false/true Gods, "the only wise God" of foolish/wise Gods, "the living God" of dead/living Gods, "that God" of this/that Gods. \n\nAnd "that God" is light having "no darkness at all", which is to say "the God of all grace" has no law at all, which is to say God's grace has no accusation(law) at all, which is to say the truth has no lie at all.\n\nTo wit: "that God"(of this/that Gods) was in "Christ"("the end of the law") reconciling the world unto himself("the God of all grace"), NOT imputing their trespasses unto them: 2Cor 5:19. Which is to say that God does not law impute sin to anyone, since law imputed sin makes sinners all, none righteous, no, not one; and God is one. So law imputed sin makes God, all the kingdom of God within you, a sinner; Not to mention law imputed sin has a death sting to it, which law is the "strength" of: 1Cor 15:56. Which is to say law is the "strong man" to bind to spoil the hse of law: sin and death thereof law. Whatsoever ye bind (or loose) on earth, it shall be bound (or loosed) in heaven. Yet any heaven having both law and grace (to the left and right) to bind or loose is a "divided" heaven or a divided God, and such gives place to division, for even what's right thereof gives place to what's left, which is how some folk (the somewhat, I know not what) give place to other folk being 'left behind'.\n\nAbove such, which is to say "above a servant" (even above the servants of righteousness of servants of sin vs servants of righteousness), it's all right and no left behind at all.\nhttp://www.godshew.org/TwainShew6.htm#Servants\nhttp://www.godshew.org/AboveAServant.htm\n\nAbove this vs that is "that God" only, "the blessed and only Potentate", and at "the throne of grace" only "mercy" is obtainable; Since the will of God is: "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice", which is to allegory say I will have grace, and not law. And the promise (eternal life) notably comes "after" doing the will of God (to have grace and not law), just as perfection (all grace and no law at all) comes after err.\n\nThe God of all grace make you perfect(merciful)\nafter ye (do err) suffer awhile (1Peter 5:10).\n\nLet us go on unto perfection, by leaving the principles.\n\nThe "grace" of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.
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lemmie check with noah and see what the ten commandments had to say...\nlol.. good one, dpundt_99!