When we presume that god is the ultimate creator of ALL things, dont you think he is responsible for creating evil things too? or does the Satan/Devil co-exist alongwith God?
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The book of Job suggests that Satan was created by God. He was the greatest of the Angels, and his pride caused him to rebel against God (very similar to the Adam and Eve Story).\nEvil is the result of the brokeness of creation. When God created he looked and it was good. The consequences of human rebellion against God lead to suffering and death.\n\nSo you would be right to thing that God created all things but not that he created evil. The next question however is if God knew that evil would happen why did he still create?
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If God is all knowing and all loving, why did He create Satan and allow evil in the world? A good question, to be sure. One that I’m not sure we can ever fully understand, not being omniscient ourselves. While I do believe that a large part of the answer lies in the fact that God decided to give us (i.e. men and angels) freedom of choice, I also believe that is used by most Christians as a pat answer to avoid the discussion (and personal contemplation) in the first place. To examine this question fully we must try to get a handle on many difficult concepts: freedom of choice, the nature of God, the nature of love, the nature of omniscience, and the nature of evil being the primary concerns. None of these are easy topics, and many of them will have to be looked at simultaneously.\n\nOne of the first questions I believe we need to ask is this: Why did God create us in the first place? The answer lies in what He calls us… His children. Why does any parent want to have children? While there may be a few who will answer that they want an heir to their estate or kingdom, and others who might answer that it is their way to immortality, I believe almost everyone would admit that the reason they want to have children is they want to have a child to love, and to be loved by that child. It is no different with God. He wants to (and does) love us. He wants to be loved by us. He wants all the joys of parenthood. With this understood, we now can explore the idea of freedom of choice.\n\nGiving freedom of choice comes both from the desire to love, and to be loved. Let’s look at a couple of examples we can relate to. If someone is trying to completely control his or her spouse or significant other, the relationship is almost always a bad one. No one likes to be controlled. A husband who tells his wife what friends she can or cannot have, when she can go out of the house, when to have dinner on the table, etc., is usually described as abusive. Not always physically, but that often goes hand in hand. Giving someone freedom of choice is also giving them trust and respect. Love cannot exist without it.\n\nI think it is even easier to see the necessity of freedom of choice when we look at the desire to be loved. God is described as a Father, so I am going to explore this aspect by looking at fathers. A father could make his six year old daughter climb into his lap every night and say, “I love you, daddy,” right before going to bed. He could, but I don’t believe most fathers would want to. While most fathers would want very much for their six year old daughter to do just that, if it was forced, it would not mean anything. A father wants his daughter to climb into his lap and say, “I love you,” out of her heart, not out of command. God wants the same thing. Yes, He could have decided not to give us any freedom of choice, but He created us because He wanted to be loved by us. If we did not have freedom of choice, than we could not truly love. Love must be a choice.\n\nNow that we have touched on the nature of love and freedom of choice, I believe it would be good to look at the nature of God. We will also discover much about the nature of evil while examining this topic. While God is called the creator of all, there is one thing that God did not create: evil. God did create Satan, the author of evil, but God did not create evil. Evil is the absence of God. This is why God is described as light, and evil as darkness. Darkness only exists where light does not. They are not true opposites. The only way to have darkness is to block out all light. There is no such thing as a “darkbulb” or “flashdark.” Only light can be created. God is also described as a consuming fire. I like to take these two concepts together and liken God to our sun. If you get too close to the sun you burn up; you become part of it. This is why in the Old Testament it is stated that if you see God’s face you will die. You would be consumed. When Moses was al
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Hmmm. Hi. Perhaps my perception on things hasn't been explained clearly enough. I apologize for that. Here is, in short, what I do and don't believe:\n\nThere is no such thing as a god. To me, the concept of the existence of a deity (besides being unproved and absurd) is just that- a concept. And a misleading one, at that. To me, it's a lie.\n\nI do not worship the christian devil. Hell, I do not even believe in it! To me, Satan is a reflection of humanity. You are your own god, and are free to accept it or not. Satan is not an entity, it's a force, it's in us. It's our vital force.\n\nHave fun, and be tolerant.\n\nBy the way, when I say Satan's spawn, it doesn't mean I believe I am the child of your devil, it means I am the Satan, as it is in me. It's sometimes also meant to shock. Depends.\n\nHappy, now?
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God only put us here to be toys of amusement for him. He enjoys watching people suffer. Just think about it for a minute...supposedly he is all-powerful, all-knowing, all-...whatever. Yet he allows this world to be infested with disease, famine, war, death, and horrors beyond imagination. Now, how can you call a god who does all these things loving and expect him to do anything for you. People who always turn to god to help them in their struggles are just trying to find someone else to fix their mistakes. They can't handle the fact that their god probably doesn't like them. God allows all these atrocities on earth to occur and doesn't lift a finger. The question you should really be asking is "Why do I worship a god that does not care?" God did not give us free will. And as far as free will in the respect to god goes, if it had not been for Satan, we would all be wandering around in complete servitude without even realizing we were slaves. By tempting Eve to eat that apple, if you believe the story, he gave us the ability to realize our slavery. Furthermore, anyone who says that we have free will given by god should examine their religion further. How can it be free will when he says that to disobey him will result in a tormenting eternity of fire and brimstone? Are these really choices...slavery or fire? I will thank God for nothing. My thanks go to the god of the underworld for giving me the knowledge to know these lies as they are.
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"Everything that has a beginning has to have a cause." \nWhy do you say this?  As you should know, absolute statements are frequently wrong.  Still, I can roll with this.  Okay, for the moment I'll play along and say that everything must have a beginning.\n\n"Only God is self-existing without beginning, without a cause outside Himself." \nWhat?!?!?!?  What about your statement above?  Can't you see that you totally contradict yourself?  You have just violated logic and trashed your own argument.  Sigh.  If everything needs a beginning, then so does a creator.  If you make an exception for a creator, then you could also make an exception for the universe.\n\nWhere is your evidence for either of these two statements?  Where is your evidence for a creator without beginning?  I think you are trying to avoid falling into the "Who created the creator" question, but skirting the question does not eliminate it.\n\nOccam's Razor:  which is the simpler theory?  A universe without beginning or a creator without beginning that created a universe?\n\nI hesitated answering this question because I felt that you merely asked it to find someone who agreed with you, and that you would choose that as the "best answer".  I didn't want to screw up my best answer ratio... but thought it more important to show you the flaws in your logic.\n\nGood luck in your Q&A's.
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do you beleive that a car create it self by it self? ... NO!?? why ?, if you can beleive that the universe was created by itself and without creator, then why you dont beleive that a car cant be created without a creator?\n\nfor everything created there is a creator, and the creation of the universe proves the greatness of God.
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What is God?\n\nIt's a good question, but it's impossible to answer. Does anybody really understand the nature of a being that can create universes? It's beyond my capability, and I suspect it is beyond any human capability, to understand.
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The issue is not that God’s goodness, God’s power, and evil’s reality can’t fit together, but that there are additional pieces to the puzzle that fit between them and hold them together.\n\n1. Free Will is a partial answer. \nFree will gives a partial answer to this question of evil and suffering. It goes like this: \n\nGod made humanity with free will. \nEvil is a result of human choices. Our first parents chose to sin. \nAs a result of sin, this world has been plunged into suffering. \nEvil, therefore, finds its origin not in the Creator, but in the creature. God receives no blame for evil—we do. We get the credit for evil because we’re the ones who chose to abandon God.\n\n2. As a result of free will, history is discontinuous. \nThere was no evil in God's original creation. But Adam had free will—he was able to sin or to not sin. And he chose to sin. And Adam's choice affected more than just himself. He represented all of humanity. Indeed, Adam represented the whole world (he had dominion over it), and when Adam was sinning, the whole world was declaring war on God. Thus even the natural world was plunged into suffering—animate as well as inanimate (the ground being cursed in Genesis 3 and thus awaiting full salvation at Christ’s return — Romans 8:19-22). This discontinuity is what Christians call the Fall. The world is good (Gen. 1), but fallen in rebellion against God. \n\nHow could God create a world full of evil and suffering? He didn’t. He created a world in which people enjoyed communion with God, intimacy with each other, perfect harmony with the creation, and everlasting life—a world with no suffering, no sin and no guilt. History is radically discontinuous. The world changed at the Fall. \n\nAnd the fact that the Bible says the world is good but fallen certainly makes sense of life. Human beings are capable of great beauty and kindness, but also great evil. Children are cute, but selfish. Adults are smart, but manipulative. The Bible accounts for both the glory and the shame of being human. We’re God’s image, but an image marred and distorted by our divorce from our Creator. \n\nThe Christian philosopher Blaise Pascal spoke of the grandeur and misery of humanity. We are capable of great things, but are always capable of pondering an existence better than the life we now have. Thus we find ourselves in misery precisely because we have the ability to contemplate a better existence. Perhaps the fact that we can imagine a life without suffering is itself a reminder deep within our human consciousness of the life we once enjoyed in loins of father Adam — a life we have lost and can only regain through the redemptive intervention of God in human history. This is a redemption that will only be complete when Jesus Christ returns.\n\n3. If you want God to eradicate evil, you’re demanding that He eradicate us. God’s alternative to eradicating evil people is to redeem them. \nRemember the words of Peter: “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9). You blame God for evil in the world? I assure you He can take care of the problem right now — but you won’t like the way He does so. Is there evil in your heart? He can destroy your heart at any moment. The amazing thing, though, is that God doesn’t do this. He made your tongue, and you use it to speak against Him — but He is patient with you. For now. \n\nRedemption is God’s striking alternative to eradication. Rather than destroying his fallen creation, He has chosen to restore a people for Himself, a people who one day will live with Him in a restored creation (2 Peter 3:13).\n\n4. Evil is not a thing, but a privation of the good. \nThis was the point that Augustine made in the fourth century when refuting the dualistic Manichean cult out of which he had come when converted to Christ. Mani h
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curse this question god created everything
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'God made man in His own image,\nIn His own image he made him.'\n    There is evil in us, so there is evil in His image. So, Evil is not separated from God. It is in Him/Her only, otherwise as per Bible, we, His image should not have these VICES.
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There is no evil in basic terms.You speak of it as if it were the opposite of good,yet, they are both moral value judgments that are understood from the perspective of "opposites are absolute", and you ignore the unity that exists. Creation and Destruction are two sides of the same coin. In your terms, Evil is the desire for destruction.
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God did not create evil.  God created man and gave him free will.  Man chooses to do evil.  and, evil is not a concrete noun.\n"Look at the example of Job in Job chapters 1-2. Satan wanted to destroy Job, and God allowed Satan to do everything but kill Job. God allowed this to happen to prove to Satan that Job was righteous because he loved God, not because God had blessed him so richly. God is sovereign and ultimately in control of everything that happens. Satan cannot do anything unless he has God's "permission." God did not create evil, but He allows evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their "programming." God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether we wanted to serve Him or not.\nUltimately, there is not an answer to these questions that we can fully comprehend. We, as finite human beings, can never fully understand an infinite God (Romans 11:33-34). Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought. God looks at things from an eternal perspective. We look at things from an earthly perspective. Why did God put man on earth knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in Heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? The best answer I can come up with is this: God didn’t want a race of robots who did not have a free will. God had to allow the possibility of evil for us to have a true choice of whether to worship God or not. If we never had to suffer and experience evil, would we truly know how wonderful heaven is?
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its evil, maybe? Thats what I think.\n\nWhy else does much of the world call it the "Great Satan"?\n\nI don't quite agree with that, however, because the Devil is the Devil.
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Good questions!  I like good subjest matter.  God is not some bug eyed monster up in the sky.  Why would he be all hateful when he needs us as much as we need him?  We do have free will, and i can do whatever i want because of it, but heres the rub, i was created by something with a view of the bigger picture.  So by virture of where i was born and my personality there are huge sections of human reality that will never even occur to me to do because of who and what i was made to be. Example : kiss my boyfriend, you betcha!; eat chocolate covered ants, hell no!
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Indeed, God is in the ultimate control.\n\nYet you need to understand that Jesus the Messiah has not returned yet, and Satan is the ruler/god of this world “system”.\n\nThe ‘secret’ organization that rules the world "system" is Heylel and his minions... he is the one who blinds the minds of the unbelievers... he also prowls among the Christians looking for someone to devour.  All of that stuff as the rumors about Illuminati, etc... is just nothing.  Heylel and his minions cause most trouble... by deceptive tactics.\n\nNone of the above should be a secret... the written Word of God has already told us about it.  It is only ‘secret’ to the perishing and deceived.
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Your question should be:  Why does God ALLOW Satan to torture us?  What sick joy does God get from this?  \n\nSome may say I am blaspheming God.  He has not struck me with a lightning bolt yet...so I guess I am safe from His wrath.  \n\nSatan is just God's servant.  In any court of law, God would be more culpable than Satan.\n\nThey say the cleverest thing Satan has done is convince the world he does not exist.  Well, we could also say the trickiest thing God does is convince us Satan DOES exist.\n\nFor more on the "Problem of Evil" see my extensive response to that question too.
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hello tetsumy,\n\nGOD is the Creator, not the creation. We are the creation. So there is no way he can be among his creation because he is the Creator.\nHe is to be worship. No way can anyone in this world imagined what it would be if GOD was among us. Even in heaven GOD will always be above us.\n\nHope that answer your question.