I was MAJOR pro-life for as long as I can remember. But after I educated myself a little, and learned some more, I saw there was a gray area, not so black and white. I wondered if anyone else shared this thought:\n\nMurder by definition is the illegal taking of a life. As long as abortion is legal, it's not murder, right. So isn't that a scare tactic by pro-lifers? (I still consider myself pro-life, but think uneducated ones give the rest of em a bad name) Any other pro-lifers, or pro-choicers that believe in gray areas?
212750
abortion being legal doesn't take away the fact that to abort the baby is to kill it. legally, i suppose you're right, it's not murder - but it's still killing. i'm pro-life but i believe abortion is morally ok up until the moment a heart beat can be detected. i don't believe in any abortion after that, even if the child is a product of rape or incest. it's not the baby's fault it was conceived in such a disgusting way.
228317
This is such a debatable issue. I don’t like the idea of abortion and would never encourage anyone to get an abortion BUT I understand the reasons why some women would chose this option even if I wouldn't. In terms of discrimination, I don’t really see how it can be. We all know the risks of what may happen when we sleep with someone and I think that to some extent abortion is encouraging a reckless attitude towards sex. 'Oh if I dont use a condom and cant be bothered with the after morning pill, then at least there another option'.\n\nIn the times we live in now, I understand that there are other issues y women may choose not to have a baby - career, finance etc, but then y have sex and resort to putting your body through all that? Even if contraception is used there is always that 1% chance that it will fail because none is 100% guaranteed. Rather than avoid such trauma by not having sex, women try to so as they please and then fit the consequences around their lifestyle. I kno this may sound impossible to some but sex is the ONLY way we can reproduce naturally, so what do you think is gonna happen?  If abortion was made illegal it would force women to take responsibility for their actions and think more carefully about what they are getting into.\n\nHOWEVER..... you then have to think about the fact that these babies will be unwanted and this may raise the figures in babies that go up for adoption or the child may be mistreated. Also you have to think about rape victims, who did not make the choice to be a position where they might become pregnant and women who have to abort for health reasons.\n\nIn short, no I do not think that making abortion illegal discriminates against women. Altho it will take away a choice that we have regarding our own bodies, it is possible for women to avoid getting into a position where that choice has to be made, therefore making us think more carefully about that choice. People who say that women should have the choice to do as they please with their bodies blah blah blah are not considering the fact that just because they SHOULD be able to do as they please doesn’t mean they are being responsible. Also if a man decides he wants to leave a woman after he finds out about the pregnancy that is not an excuse for abortion. We all know that relationship breakdowns are a possibility, it’s not new. If you are willing to have a child, it should be unconditional, not jus because you currently have a man by your side.
530274
Hell yes abortion should be illegal! It's murdering a human being, no matter how you look at it! A woman knows what causes her to become pregnant, and if she doesn't want a baby, she should stop being a  s l u t  and close her legs! I understand  there's issues with rape and what not, but you have a point, that's still a child, and it's not that child's fault that he/she is a product of rape. Adoption would be a great idea I would think for situations like that.\n\nIt would be bad for a doctor to take a newborn baby and strangle him or her to death or bash his or her head in on the floor wouldn't it? So what's the damn difference with an abortion, just because you can't see the baby yet, it means it's not a person? Anyone who supports abortion is a total idiot, they should support murder of every kind then if they don't want to be a hypocrite!
521490
I'm pro choice and freedom. Nobody has the right to force you to follow their beliefs. If you decide abortion is right for you, that is your choice to make and none of my business.\n\nI don't take the anti abortion crowd seriously because I have not seen one of them go out of their way to help some poor young mother or to care for the many starving and mistreated babies born to mothers incapable of caring for them.
322598
Thanks for the warning, that video was horrible. I'm numb.\n\nI'm against abortion itself (with the exception of r@pe) but pro-choice. I BELIVE that it is the WOMAN'S choice, not the law's. A woman should be able to do whatever she wants with her body. But I do believe that if you make the mistake of becoming pregnant, it is YOUR fault and shouldn't get an abortion. But it is YOUR choice.
128130
There was a time when I was pro choice.  I gave my niece money for an abortion and, to this day, I cannot forgive myself.  I really thought that I was a liberal with regard to abortion until I became a part of it.  I hope that I can be forgiven for what I have done.
157147
Unborn babies are babies nonetheless, and human. The silly justifications people try to come up with for abortion and abortion itself disgust me. The fetus IS human - firstly considering that he/she has the DNA makeup of a human being. The embryo/fetus does not go through different stages in "evolution," a concept that was shown to be a hoax perpetuated by Haeckel.\n\nWhen you have an abortion, you're killing someone. Why do you think would-be mothers find themselves in great distress, as though they just killed their 2 years old boy? Frankly, killing a person while s/he is in the fetal stage of human development is no different from killing that person at 2 years of age. Oh, and the baby isn't part of the mother, technically - considering that the baby has to secrete enzymes that prevent the mother's own body from attacking the baby. The baby is essentially a parasite as far as the mother's body is concerned, so it's not part of the mother's body. It isn't like removing a limb, it's like heartlessly killing a baby in its crib.\n\nAs a former fetus, I support life. I don't support pro-murder.
490807
You are right, life does begin at conception, and killing innocent human beings is always wrong.  I'm glad to hear that you are actually doing something about the killing, unlike people who are only pro-life in word and not in deed.  Here's more food for thought:\n\nPhotos of Abortions, Including 1st Trimester Abortions:\nhttp://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/pictures.html\n\nA Four-Minute, Must-See Video on Abortion:\nhttp://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-video.html\n\nInformation on All Aspects of Abortion:\nhttp://Abort73.com\n\nPhotos and Facts About Prenatal Development:\nhttp://www.justthefacts.org/clar.asp\nhttp://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-1-medical.html\nhttp://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-2-prenatal.html\nhttp://www.studentsforlife.uct.ac.za/foetal%20dev%20photos.html\nhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/3847319.stm\nhttp://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/11weeks.htm\n\nPain Perception in the Unborn:\nhttp://www.advocatesfortheinnocent.com/fetalpain.html\n\nPro-Life Answers to “Pro-Choice” Arguments:\nhttp://www.deathroe.com/Pro-life_Answers/\nhttp://www.pregnantpause.org/abort/choicarg.htm\n\nRape and Abortion:\nhttp://www.deathroe.com/Pro-life_Answers/Answers.cfm?ID=31\nhttp://www.afterabortion.info/Victims/index.htm\nhttp://www.focusonthefamily.com/focusmagazine/sohl/A000000103.cfm\nhttp://www.dakotavoice.com/200611/Guest/20061101_GR.html\nhttp://www.afterabortion.info/PAR/V2/n1/RAPESUM.htm\n\nIs Abortion Ever Necessary to Save the Life of the Mother?\nhttp://www.all.org/article.php?id=10682\nhttp://www.advocatesfortheinnocent.com/motherslife.html\n\nAnd, oh, by the way, the so-called partial birth abortion ban is a scam.  It's not truly a pro-life bill.  Read this:\n\nhttp://www.newswithviews.com/Brownlow/david1.htm
387054
A human fetus is a human baby. And the pro-choicers are killers who simply don't want any kind of responsibility. They want to horse around, have sex and get pregnant. Then they want to run and get an abortion, saying they want the right to do what they want with their bodies. But they made the choice to have unprotected sex. Perhaps they need lessons on taking responsibility for their actions.
637129
The terms should be "anti-abortion" and "pro-reproductive-choice". The term "pro-abortion" would be incorrect, because it would imply that those people think that all women should have abortions, when in reality they think that a woman should have a choice when it comes to reproduction- yes, even if her choice is to keep and raise the baby.
505458
I am constantly amazed at how those support abortion will try to turn the argument against those of us who find it appalling.  Someone who says the argument is "insulting" is striking out because they can't justify their position.  No one seems able to determine why is it that the pro-abortionist as so animate about their position.  Why is it so important to allow women to destroy life?
547697
1) Is abortion murder? no. as long as it is done before the 4th month. \n\n2) are there any acceptions in which abortion is acceptable?(is yes, why only those)yes. rape, molestation, not being able to take care of the child, if the mother isnt ready, health conditions.  I personally would never get an abortion, but i dont think that it is right to have people outside of clinics screaming at them making them feel worse than they already do. if they want an abortion and maybe mess up their insides, its on them :D\n\n3) is a fetus/unborn baby (in your oppinion) a conscience being?\nyes.\n\n4) In this non-abortion situation: a girl was born with a twin attached, head to head. The twin has a FULLY functional brain. It can feel, react, cry, sleep, etc. Is this twin alive? oh i saw that. yes. now if it was just a limb, or a face, then no.\n\n5) is it more alive or more of a human being than a fetus/unborn baby?the conjoined twins? yes and no. they are about equal.\n\n6) same twin story: the twin has a lump of a body with no organs. http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/compon... do you still consider it a live human being?\nno.\n\n7) Is it worse to seperate this "twin" which will die, or have an abortion? (sorry, not a yes or no answer)the previous twins? i think it would be worse to seperate. personally i would seperate though.\n\n8) comments\ni really think abortion is one of those topics that both sides are to blind to the other. i really hate how people can have sex and then just erase their mistake, but then again i think its wrong for groups of people to walk up and down busy malls that have kids with parents and show pictures of aborted fetus's screaming about how abortion is a sin.
621630
I totally agree with you. Thats why the pro-choice point of view is seriously flawed. They try to put all the emphasis on the woman but nobody thinks about the baby involved. What about the baby's right to choose to live?\n\nBut anyway - i guess prostitution has been illegal for the fact that its "dirty" and something people don't want to be around thier clean neighborhoods and stuff. But hey - who knows in 10 - 15 years what this country will legalize!
601537
I can not understand,  if it's a woman's "choice" to have a baby, why should a man be held responsible for the 'fetus', if the woman 'chooses' to turn it into a baby?\n\nIf they are going to use the argument that it isn't a baby, they should not be able to change that argument later.\n\n(for the record, I think its a baby, and I think both parties are responsible for it.  I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of their logic)
10016
I am pro-choice, but only to the extent that having an abortion never becomes as casual as some ardent privacy rights "zealots" seem to want to make it.  I happen to believe that what is created within a woman's body when she becomes pregnant does represent a form of life. Imagine all of the preparations that happily pregnant women undertake to make sure that whatever that is is safe throughout the pregnancy.  And does a happily pregnant woman refer to her unborn as matter, an embryo, a fetus, a zygote or any other such scientifically and socially ambiguous term?  No, of course not.  She talks to her unborn "baby."  She reads her "baby" stories.  She personifies every kick and every repositioning.  She makes reference to "eating for two."  I believe that pregnant woman are carrying life.  Therefore, while there are definitely circumstances where it would be inappropriate or unhealthy to bring that life to term, those are rare and extreme and should never become casual.\nFinally, I do not believe that, in general, men should tell women what to do with their bodies. I do not believe that two unmarried persons have an equal say to what happens to the baby that the woman is unexpectedly, and perhaps unhappily carrying.  I do, however, happen to believe that two people in a healthy monogamous relationship (which is intended to be long-term) should have a series of serious dialogs when a baby unexpectedly manifests itself.  The ultimate choice is hers, but she should consider his reasonable feelings when making this crucial decision.\n\nThis is a right that must be protected at all costs, but not exploited as a casual life event.  Education, abstinence, contraception, and adoption are all measures that can be taken (and should be considered) to greatly reduce the occasions where abortion becomes the ultimate answer.\n\nThis discussion of rights isn't generally had in the context of a discourse on separation of church and state (primarily because those discourses, under the First Amendment Establishment Clause, require the State not to endorse or support any particular religion.  The State can, however, endorse the ideal of faith and of being religious generally, which many view as positive for society's morality. I happen to believe that even this much State involvement is dangerous.\n\nPlease consider this my respectfully-presented, respectfully-intended personal viewpoint.
471352
I havent really decided If I'm a republican or a democrat...so I guess that makes me neutral right now. But  you said 'morals' and when I vote, I vote morally, and My morals usually tend to lead me to vote more republican than anything else. I am okay with stem cell research, but NOT okay with embryonic stem cell research. I dont think its okay to grow babies just to kill them. So obviously I'm also against abortion (which is usually my main issue when I vote). Feminists like to say its not okay for anyone to decide what we do with our bodies...but I say its not okay for us to decide that its okay to murder unborn children because we dont want to be bothered with them and we didnt take the proper precautions to ensure we wouldnt become pregnant in the first place. I am against the death penalty without some SERIOUS evidence. ie- That person has to have DNA all over the crime scene, be on video, confess to doing it, etc. If you're *almost* sure that the person is guilty, but not completely sure, that's not good enough. Innocent people have been put to death for crimes that people were sure they commited at the time.....and are now sure that they didnt commit them. Im against guns and owning guns. 'guns dont kill people, people kill people' is a bunch of BS. "people with guns, kill people." Ive heard people say that if guns were illegal then only criminals would have them. If that were the case then we'd be able to prosicute them for owning the gun, instead of having to wait til they did something with it. As far as the war goes...I dont know how I feel about that. Im kind of for it, kind of against it. Alot of good things came from it, but also alot of innocent people died because of it.  As far as the gay marriage thing goes...I'm suppose to be against it based on my religion and beliefs..But once again I'm not sure how i feel about that either. I have nothing against gay people, I live my life, they live theirs. So..theres a general idea of my morals for you. Im a moral republican (for the most part).
443764
The Libertarian view on abortion is a shaky one. Some Libertarians are for abortion, some arn't. Me. I am for it but only to a certain extent. I believe that during the embryo stage, because it isn't able to live outside the body, it is still part of the woman and should be allowed if wanted. But at the later stage when it is able to live outside the body, I believe it is a seperated individual, and should not be done. But that is my views many Libertarians don't view that. But we do believe that the decision should be made at a state level and not a federal one.\n\nThe thing is if this was a Libertarian governed country, it will all depend on what the State believes. That is if the State thinks partial birth abortion is wrong, then it would be illegal for that person to get a partial birth abortion. But because Libertarians believe that the govt, should not intrude into the Abortion Clinic's business, it would be hard for that to be enforced. I hope that makes sense. I think I'm confussing myself. (Alot of deletes.) But I really don't know how this would be taken.\n\nIf you really would like to know more about Libertarianism, email me at Chsel_06@yahoo.com. I don't know everything, but I'm pretty knowledgable about many issues and principles regarding Libertarianism.