Did Jesus Walk On Ice?\nhttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/0...\n\nTALLAHASSEE, Fla., April 5, 2006\n\nAP) Jesus walked on water, according to the Bible, but a Florida State University professor says he may have actually walked on a hard-to-see patch of ice. \n\nDoron Nof, a professor of oceanography, said a rare combination of water and atmospheric conditions in the Sea of Galilee 2,000 years ago may offer a scientific explanation for one of the miracles recounted in the Bible. \n\nNof said a patch of ice floating in the Sea of Galilee, which is actually a freshwater lake, would have been difficult to distinguish from unfrozen water surrounding it. \n\n"I'm not trying to provide any information that has to do with theology here," Nof said in an interview Wednesday. "All we've thought is about the natural process. What theologians or anybody else does with that, it's their business, so to speak." \n\nAccording to the New Testament books of Matthew, Mark and John, Jesus' disciples were out on the Galilee at night when a storm came up. Jesus walked to the terrified men, who thought he was a ghost, according to the accounts. \n\nDarrell Bock, a professor of New Testament studies at the Dallas Theological Seminary, lightheartedly dismissed the idea that Jesus walked on ice. \n\n"I'm just cold to the theory," said Bock, author of "Breaking the Da Vinci Code," which defends traditional Christian beliefs challenged in Dan Brown's "Da Vinci Code." \n\n"I tend to treat it as a real miracle," Bock said. "Almost all the nature miracles are challenged in one degree or another." \n\nOther reaction to the theory has not been so restrained. \n\n"I get hate e-mail on the average every three minutes," Nof said. One e-mail called him "the most stupid person on the planet" and closed by wishing that he "go to hell where you belong." \n\nNof's research appears in the April issue of the Journal of Paleolimnology, a publication on the reconstruction of lake histories. Nof's co-authors are biostatistics professor Ian McKeague of Columbia University and atmospheric science professor Nathan Paldor of Hebrew University of Jerusalem. \n\nThey came up with the theory after studying records of long-ago water temperatures in the Mediterranean Sea, based on core samples of shells and other animal remains taken from the bottom. \n\nThe records indicated that two lengthy periods 2,500 to 1,500 years ago were chilly enough for ice patches to form during cold spells on the Sea of Galilee, said Nof, a native of Israel. \n\nThe unfrozen water surrounding the ice would have come from salty springs along the lake's western shore, he said. Salty water freezes at lower temperatures than fresh water.
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As I said in a similar answer, I am thrilled with these kind of reports.  Science will soon put an end to the "miracles" of Jesus.  Eventually it will prove my belief that Jesus was a man and nothing more.  I do hope and expect that CBS and the NY Times will continue with the illuminating news pieces like they have  over the last few days.  Christians certainly have something to think about now, especially those Christians who are pro-science at the expense of their "faith." Sometimes science and faith simply do not agree despite the best efforts of some to twist words and theories to show they do.
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I remember this verse from theology classes.  I believe that there are some schools of thought that believe that Jesus ministry was directed more to the Jews.  And in fact he never ministered outside Judea.  He told his follows to ministry to gentiles but this wasn't his mission while on earth apparently.  Well maybe, maybe not.  It is an interesting passage thought isn't it.\n\nHe did spend a lot of time getting mad at the way the Temple was being run so you could assume that those were the lost sheep of the house of Israel I suppose.
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Why is "The DaVinci Code" not fiction anymore? I missed that announcement...Anyhoo, if you want to hear solid evidence for Christ, I suggest reading The Case For Christ by Lee Strobel. I am reading it right now, so I can't tell you too much about it, but he talks to all sorts of scholars, some Christian Bible Scholars, some atheists like himself. He presents the evidence (eyewitness, documentary, corroborating, rebuttal, scientific, psychological, circumstantial, and fingerprint evidence). I'm still in the chapter about eyewitness evidence, but it is really, really good. Reading this is a great way to get multiple views, so you can choose.
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Did you ever eat an apple? Did it taste good? Prove it.\n\nPeople also say the Bible is a fantasy...or that it's just a bunch of fairy tales or made-up stories.\n\nWhat they forget is that it is also the HISTORY of Israel. Without it, they pretty much have nothing to prove they ever existed...or do they?\n Very little was ever recorded about the Hebrews. And yet much has been said about Jesus...although little historical evidence on His existance.\n\n The thing is this though, what man, in the HISTORY of the World, has had more effect on it?\n\n HISTORY is recorded by His birth and death.\n\nNearly every religion acknowledges Him in one way or another.\n\n Even atheists will call on Him when their life is in danger.\n\n Nothing and no man has ever had the impact that Jesus Christ has had.\n\n That's enough evidence to make anyone think.\n\nBesides, He has deilvered me from a life of sin and unclean living. He has given me more blessings and miracles than i ever dreamed of.\n That's all the evidence i need.\n\nI am living proof He existed. :)\n\n God bless you, as you seek His' Truth.\nTo know more, click here...\nhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bibletruths_forbelievers/
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Why do you guys think he's so bad?  On one of his pilgrimages to Isreal, he had rabi's crown Jesus as king and messiah.  He's saying that God wants His children to stop fighting and is working hard for world peace, currently working to make peace in the Middle East.\nHaving rabi's crown Jesus as king and Messiah sounds like a pretty good thing to me.\n\nPlus, what some of you guys are saying is practically hypocritical.  When Jesus was on earth and saying that he was the Messiah, everyone thought he was a crazy too.  But now we know he really is the messiah.  \nYou might actually try reading some of Rev. Moons teachings; they sound an awful lot like what Jesus was teaching.
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Ecc 9 is telling of how he views it.  He is frustrated with life and sees it as a waste of time... and to just go out and eat drink and be happy...for tomorrow we die - is the sentiment there.  \n\nBut there actually is mention of ghosts in the new testiment.  \n\nWhen Jesus was walking to them across the water - they were scared and though he was a ghost.  \n\n\nMatthew 14:26 \nWhen the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. "It's a ghost," they said, and cried out in fear.\n\nMark 6:49 \nbut when they saw him walking on the lake, they thought he was a ghost. They cried out,\n\nLuke 24:37    \nThey were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost.\n\nONE OF THE BEST IS THIS\nJesus himself is saying this - so he clearly believes in ghosts -  Judge for yourself. \n\n\nLuke 24:38-40     \n38  He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39   Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."    40  When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet.\n\nPS -  i do believe in ghosts, spirits, demons, and angels.  \n\nThere is WAY more to this world than when meets the eye.   I have been through some pretty strange things with living in a haunted apartment and all. I have absolutly no doubts (personally speaking) that spirits AKA ghosts do exist.  \n\n(seeing it refered to in the Bible - only serves to back up what I already knew though)  :)
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I'm an ordained evangelical minister and see no problem with either the movie or the book. The problem is that Dan Brown has stated that the book and movie are fictional, but Christians say it's misleading--but their problem is that they are trying to pick apart DVC without going to the Bible to find out what is true in DVC and what isn't. If they'd just stick with the Bible as their source for truth and read it and absorb it, and keep in mind that DVC is fiction, then it's absolutely no problem. I just wonder how many Christians are seeing the movie or reading the book without opening their Bibles. :-(
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Well I´ve read the book and enjoyed it throughly! But sad to say there is a lot of thingd in the book that is false, \nbut it does makes you wonder. \n\nWhat I can´t understand is that a few years ago there were some old scripures found, but wouldn´d be accepted by the church. These scriptures underwent all the neccassary test to prove its validity(and it was found to be written the time Jesus was alive and 100 after he died).But it was a little bit contridicting to what is in the bible.\n\nAnyway what the da vinci code does is start to put doubt in the minds of people, and why did  the church reacted so strange to this book which is a novel! \n\nAnd okay the thought that Jesus actually has a living heir is strange, but Dan Brown was not the first to write about this there are many other listed books. And ´if´ that were true then the church would clear not want that knowledge to be known because it would loss a lot of credibility.\nSome modern writers,including Dan Brown, have come forward with claims that Mary Magdalene was the wife of Jesus. These writers cite Gnostic writings to support their argument. Sources like the ´Gospel of Philip´ do depict Mary Magdalene as being closer to Jesus than any other disciple. \nHowever, there is no known ancient document that claims she was his wife and Gnosticism was generally non-supportive of sexuality. The closeness described in these writings depicts Mary Magdalene, representing the Gnostics, as understanding Jesus and his teaching while the other disciples, representing the Church, did not.\nMary Magdalene appears with more frequency than other women in the canonical Gospels and is shown as being a close follower of Jesus. Mary's presence at the Crucifixion and Jesus's tomb, while hardly conclusive, is at least consonant with the role of grieving wife and widow, although if that were the case Jesus might have been expected to make provision for her care as well as for his mother Mary. Given the lack of contemporary documentation, this scenario cannot be proven, and although some consider the idea desirable to believe, most scholars do not take it seriously.\n\nAn argument for support of the married status of Jesus is that bachelorhood was very rare for Jewish males of Jesus' time, being generally regarded as a transgression of the first mitzvah (divine commandment) — "Be fruitful and multiply". According to this reasoning, it would have been unthinkable for an adult, unmarried Jew to travel about teaching as a rabbi.\nA counter-argument to this is that the Judaism of Jesus' time was very diverse and the role of the rabbi was not yet well defined. It was really not until after the Roman destruction of the Second Temple in A.D. 70 that Rabbinic Judaism became dominant and the role of the rabbi made uniform in Jewish communities.\nPaul of Tarsus was an example of an unmarried itinerant teacher among Christians. Jesus himself approved of voluntary celibacy for religious reasons and explicitly rejected a duty to marry: "There are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it." (Matthew 19,12)\n\nThe idea that Mary Magdalene was the wife of Jesus was popularized by books like the pseudo-historical Holy Blood, Holy Grail (1982) and The Da Vinci Code (2003), a novel heavily influenced by the former book. These assertions have found no acceptance from scholarly circles.\n\nAnd secret societcy are meant to be kept secret so I don´t expect the historians to find a lot of concrete information about the Priory of Sion. \n\nAnd maybe Leonardo did discover something and instead of just saying or exposing it out right he decided to be clever and hide it within his works of art. After all he was known as a genuis.\n\nSo I(am born and raised catholic, but was taught to have an open mind about things.) personally an very intrigued by this idea of Dan Browns, but I am neither for it nor against it. I
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The answer to your question is a resounding, yes, and He still does.  He is NOT dead.  He is Resurrected from the dead.  No other human that has ever existed throughout all history can claim this act.  This is what differentiates Jesus as the True Messiah, as truly Divine, while all others are fakes, imposters and mere men.  \n\nAlso, since He now exists, you have the privilege to call upon His Name, and He will audibly answer you.  If you desire in your heart an actual relationship with Christ, He says, "Knock and I will answer," for he is the Door.\n\nIt amazes me how people today are so skeptical and jaded that they are actually preventing themselves from acquiring "wholeness" in Christ.  That was the whole purpose behind His Redemptive Deed upon the Cross, to reconcile us (our fallen sin nature) back to the Father.  He is our Salvation.  His resurrection created a Door through which we may re-attain in us what was lost by the Great Primordial Fall when we became divorced from God (the Great Divorce).  The process of accepting Christ Yeshua (Jesus) as your personal Savior is a “Rebirth” where you are spiritually “rewired” and “reconnected” back to the Godhead of Father, Son and Holy Spirit through Christ’s ultimate act of Love, the giving up of His mortal life for your sins.\n\nFollowing is the proof of Christ’s existence and divinity:\n\nWhy believe in Christianity over all other religions? \n\n         Critics often ask why Christianity is any better than any other religion in the world.  After all, of all the religions that exist how can it be that only Christianity is true?  If God exists, why can't God use different religions?  Don't all paths lead to God? These kinds of questions are asked all the time of Christians and unfortunately the answers aren't always very good ones particularly when dealing with people who have a relativistic truth base and don't believe in absolutes.\n     Therefore, in an attempt to demonstrate why Christianity is true and all other religious systems are false, I've prepared the following list of reasons for Christianity's superiority.    \nThere are such things as absolute truths \n     If truth is relative, then the statement that truth is relative is an absolute truth and would be self defeating statement by proving that truth is not relative.  But, if truth is absolute, then the statement "truth is absolute" is true and not self defeating.  It is true that truth exists.  It is true that truth will not contradict itself as we have just seen.  In fact, it is absolutely true that you are reading this paper.\n     If we can see that there is such a thing as truth in the world, then we could also see that there can be spiritual truth as well.  It is not absurd to believe in spiritual absolutes anymore than physical or logical absolutes.  Even the statement that all religions lead to God is a statement held to be a spiritual absolute by many people.  This simply demonstrates that people do believe in spiritual truth.  Why?  Because truth exists.  However, not all that is believed to be true actually is true.  Therefore, all belief systems cannot be true since they often contradict each other in profound ways. \nReligions contradict each other; therefore, they cannot all be true. \n     Mormonism teaches that there are many gods in existence and that you can become a god.  Christianity teaches that there is only one God and you cannot become a god.  Islam teaches that Jesus is not God in flesh where Christianity does.  Jesus cannot be both God and not God at the same time.  Some religions teach that we reincarnate while others do not.  Some teach there is a hell and others do not. They cannot all be true.  If they cannot all be true, it cannot be true that all religions lead to God.  Furthermore, it means that some religions are, at the very least, false in their claims to reveal the true God (or gods).  Remember, truth does
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The Da Vinci Corrode - An Opinion Piece by Schneb\n\nI am amazed at how gullible people are at believing the so-called "facts" that this book brings up. Out of thin air! 80 gospels written!? And Constantine only chose 4, then corrupted them? First, including all the false gnostic gospels, there was hardly a quarter of that amount. Second, Constantine had nothing to do with the Canon of scripture.\n\nDon Brown states through the main character that it was the council of Nicea that voted to say that Jesus was God--and that it was a "close vote". Yeah, a close vote of 316 to 2. Wow, how close. Funny, though, a few months ago they discovered in Megiddo, the oldest Christian church dating back to the 2nd century. 100 years before the council of Nicea did their "close vote", we see a mosaic dedication that reads, "dedicated to the God Jesus Christ". This belief was confirmed by the 2nd century writings of Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Irenius and Clement of Alexandria (again, 100 years before Nicea).\n\nAnd then he has the gall to say there were true gospels in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Man, this guy is delusional. There is not ONE mention of Jesus in ANY of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Yet people are eating this nonsense up.\n\nMary was Jesus' mother, and He told John, while on the cross, to take her into his home and take care of her. Mary Magdalene was there as well. If they were married, Jesus would have provided for her as well. Do you think after the resurrection that Jesus would have known that Mary M. was pregnant with their child? Yet, when He spoke to her, she called Him "teacher", not "husband", and neither spoke of activity in the womb. A little common sense is needed here.\n\nIf you don't want to believe, then say so. But don't base it on ignorant revisionist history like the Da Vinci Code. Looks like the world is all ready for the coming deception...\n\n2 Thessalonians 2:11-12\nFor this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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This is what Dan Brown would have you believe, but there is no historical evidence to back him up.   In particular,\n\n1) The Council of Nicea (AD 325) did not even discuss the question of "canon" (that is, what belongs in the Bible)!!   In any case, well before this time there was widespread agreement on which books were accepted  (evidence going back to the early 2nd century).   There is NO evidence of authorities "inserting" or "removing" stuff.\n\n2) Not only did Constantine not foist his own view of the deity of Christ on others,  ALL those at this Council (representing the viewpoing of churches throughout the Roman world) agreed that Jesus was divine!   The only question was precisely how that idea was to be UNDERSTOOD.   \n\nAlso, contrary to various insinuations, the vote was not even close!   The Council of Nicea was almost unanimous in its final statement (two out of over three hundred disagreed... though again, they did NOT disagree that Jesus was divine!)
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Hello, my friend. This book--"Mere Christianity"--and especially this bit about Christ's being either a lunatic or else the Son of God, was instrumental in my opening up to Jesus, simply on account of the fact that I had, for years, "respected" Jesus of Nazareth as a great teacher, ever ignoring the (what I then thought to be) creepier things he was quoted as saying in the Gospels (such as "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Light")...and Lewis, with this very simple and basic observation, blew my cozy little respect for Jesus of Nazareth out of the water.\n\nWhich did something to a door. Meaning, I then had to face the very choice that Lewis proposed in this book. In other words, I was either going to have to open the door all the way (and believe Christ was who he said he is) or else close it (and believe Jesus of Nazareth to be deranged and blasphemous).\n\nUltimately, I would say that I chose to believe that Christ is God's Son, but truly God gave me the knowledge that Christ is his Son (John 6:44)...and perhaps he gave me the gift of faith for the sole reason that I was seeking it.
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God answers prayers of those people that have gotten right with God and have God first in their heart, Its a relationship. Signs of existance hmmmm how about us and the earth. Or do you think this was an accident, the human body is so complex it cant be just by chance!Have lots of doubts about God, Jesus, or the Bible? Most people who think about this do wonder "How do I know that what the Bible says is true?" At ---, we think that this is an excellent question deserving an excellent answer, and that's what we provide in our "Facts Behind the Faith" seminar. Contrary to what you may have heard, God doesn't ever expect us to have "blind faith." He has always proven what He has said, and He's done that conclusively. The only thing that separates Christianity from every other religion is that it can PROVE what it says to be true. No other religion can. We can prove logically, scientifically, and archaeologically that God must exist, that the Bible is directly from God, that Jesus was God's Son, and even that He rose from the dead. Sound impossible? Then you owe it to yourself to force us to prove it. We guarantee that you'll be amazed at what you learn, and you deserve PROOF. Let us give you some  Go to this site and check out the simnars
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Everybody who answered is right it turns to ice at -5c. Not really a hard question to be honest. If you factor in pressure then you can make things more even. If you decrease the pressure of the -5c water and up the pressure (atmos) of the 25c you can change the internal state of the water, thus effecting the travel time of the ball.\n\nAbout your point about the bible. No offence, but God didn't come down and write the bible. Mortals wrote the bible, infact every holy book in the world was written by mortals (the bible wasn't written by jesus). It's a collection of tales regarding jesus life as told by people who were with him. So essentially it's somebodys point of view of what they belive jesus meant when he said whatever he said. You could study the bible for years, but if you believed everything your read in it most of the advanced physics classes would contradict what is said in it. \n\nWater to Wine?\nH20 to C2H6O-(residual acids from grapes)? Hardly, they can just about convert graphite to diamond (same molecules)\n\nWorld in 7 days?\nNo offence, stating God has to 'rest' is tantamount to saying he's mortal. In that sense you say God somehow needs to take 6 days to create earth. How long did it take him to create Mars? Venus? Jupiter? The Sun? The galaxy? The notion is to constricted, i personally belive that the universe is some derivative of God, the anti matter paradox, the balance of electrons/protons is just something which smacks of God.\n\nWorld 6000 years old?\nCarbon dating is a fact. We have artifacts much older 6000 years old. Look at dinosaurs for example. In the rock, we work through layers to find fossils from millions of years ago. Did god happen to make earth in its form with these fossils embedded? For what reason?\n\nAdam And Eve\nIt doesn't hold. To believe it would infact advocate evolution. Just where did everybody else come from? i mean did God put every person of colour on this world. Surely all these people would also know about God on his terms, which would assume everybody in the world would know about catholism and the bible. In fact, this whole adam and eve thing is written in the bible 2000 years ago. So between god creating the earth and jesus being born, 4000 years, nobody knows about adam and eve, then suddenly 2000 years ago it's mainstream fact. Yet hindus choose to worship multiple gods, different religions of islam, budahism, jewish etc thrive around the world. Whats going on here? Just why did all these people who God may have placed around the world choose to forget their roots? If you don't believe God put all the other races in the world on earth, but belive they all decended from adam and eve's children ... then lets talk about evolution. Another taboo in the bible. How the hell did you get black babies from a white adam and eve. Lets suppose adam and eve were black, how do you get white babies from two black parents. Adam is white, eve is black - where do oriental people come from. It's inconceivable to think that all the races in this world came from two people. Genetically it's not possible\n\nThe Ark\nEvery animal that exists on the earth today is here because God put it here. Since evolution is not allowed, then every animal that exists, from the ant, the the lion, to the caterpillar must have been saved at some point on the ark. You can't argue that fact. Now how long do you think it would have taken Noah to go round the globe picking up every animal that exists today. 1 day? Lets bear in mid, there are no trains, aeroplanes or busses. Noah would literally have to go to every corner of the globe. This would assume that noah actually discovered america first, and australia, and asia and the carribean and the galapogos etc. The next thing is, once he has two of every animal, he needs a boat big enough to house them all. And not just to house the animals, but the space needed for the food to feed them. Lets nor forget th
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my favorite Bible story is found in the NT - where Peter steps out of the boat and walks on water, in the midst of a stormy sea...\n\nI like this story in particular, simply because metaphorically it teaches us that we need to keep our eyes on JESUS, and not look at the 'waves' (circumstances, problems, etc) in our life. \n\nIf we fail to keep our eyes on JESUS than we go under - just like Peter did once he start looking at the waves.\n\n\nYes, I believe it's true.\n\nThank you by the way, for asking this question. I think it's a wonderful question and you are to be commended for asking it.\n\nGod Bless.
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Dude, you've been smoking too many Dan Brown books. \n\n\nI've heard all kinds of crazy theories about Jesus but that doesn't mean they're true. Where's the documentation? Where's the historical proof? Where's the corroboration from witnesses? That's the problem with too many people: They hear something totally out in left field and believe it without any sort of evidence or even despite evidence to the contrary.
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Intersting that the only reference cited outside the bible is Josefus, who never mentioned Jesus. Any reference to Jesus in his writing was added 1000 years later by other 'christians 'trying to strengthen their arguement.\n\nGreenleaf may have decided that the story was real but I don't believe that it would stand up in court. It would be interesting to look at his background.