Subject: Re: HI HAYLEY \n\nMessage: cool glad you love racisim it can be a useful when knows how to weild it do you? again .your people capitulated. You lost a war, and with it, any claim to the territory you run around calling "Aztlan" today, all the while waving a Mexican flag. Perfect logic for savages.\nlol \n\naccording to mrs hayley waving a flags makes us savages\nso what would molesting children,cannabalism,brutally killing indians after they welcomed these apes to their land,and treating blacks like animals make them?\n\niam guessing savage wouldnt queit sum it up .
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There are different meanings to the word savage.\n\nLooking up the word SAVAGE in the dictionary, I found the following:\n________________\nadj.\n-Not domesticated or cultivated; wild: savage beasts of the jungle. \n-Not civilized; barbaric: a savage people. \n-Ferocious; fierce: in a savage temper. \n-Vicious or merciless; brutal: a savage attack on a political rival. See Synonyms at cruel. \n-Lacking polish or manners; rude. \n\nn. \n-A person regarded as primitive or uncivilized. \n-A person regarded as brutal, fierce, or vicious. \n-A rude person; a boor. \n___________________\n\nBased on this definition, (Lacking polish or manners; rude.A rude person; a boor) anyone can be a savage.  I actually crossed paths with a savage today. :)
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I suggest you guys try and ignore this mouthbreather.  He asks the same questions on Judaism over and over again, with slightly different (though consistently biased and misleading) wording. If you don't believe me, all I can say is that you can verify this for yourselves.  I sincerely doubt that he is here to learn anything, at least in this area (though I feel obliged to at least commend him on his appropriate choice of screenname).\n\nThis guy's online hobby is something called Jew-baiting.  So don't take the bait, as it were, by responding on his terms and lending legitimacy to his line of questioning (which is shallow and insensitive at best, or, more likely from what I've seen, deliberate bigotry).  He has a real problem with Jews.  I don't know if it stems from a negative personal experience with Jews, or if he was raised by klansmen, or what.  But he keeps asking these same questions, and when confronted with information that contradicts his assumptions, he becomes belligerent and disregards the new information anyway.\n\nI once explained to him that he was mistaken in his assertion that a Jew had to have "Jewish blood" because conversion has a history going back through biblical history, all the way to the first Hebrew himself.  This did not sway him in his irrational belief.  And if someone here were to point out that calling Judaism a "cult of ancestor worship" is inaccurate because\n\na) it's not considered a cult\n\nand\n\nb) worshipping anything other than G-d, one's ancestors included, is the most severe form of blasphemy according to Judaism\n\nI highly doubt this gentleman would be swayed on either point.  My advice is not to waste your time.  There are plenty of people on here asking questions about Judaism because they actually want to learn.  If you are qualified to answer, answer those people.  They'll actually benefit from it.
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Would that be like "shooting ourselves in the foot?"  We are really trying to find the "logic" in this one.  Nah, it wouldn't be coveted Yahoo points?  \n\nWhat do you hope to accomplish by acting out the very actions you passionately criticize?  What "incite," oops "insight."  --  a case of "Two wrongs DO make a right?" \n\nCount us out!  It will cost the school money!\n\nEdit:  Bad idea.  We will check with Yahoo to see if an account user can change the rules of this forum.  That is pretty strong language you are using there.  And, no, no one here will march;  we participate in constructive efforts regarding current events.\n\nCorrection:  We did not say we didn't like your posts; we said we do not like the APPROACH of your posts.  This approach creates yet another problem, simple.  Your motivation (to show how much MORE impact YOUR leadership can make than the illegals),  appears cavalier and  misguided.  \n\nWe will, however,  pursue TEGID's  constructive post, instead.  He can count us in.
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thanks,  we must know !! even if its stomach turning so many Americans are clueless i see this crap in my town all the time\n\n\npancho : looked like a racist rallies to me \n i thought they  left to be part of America not turn America into mexico doesn't that make sense? if you saw a picnic\nfull of white people in mexico with american flags saying this is our land and were taking it back .  with spray painted pictures of white people looking all militant and crap.saying  white and proud you would be outraged so you are racist  their proud of ca ca mexico .
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Yet another whitewashed fast-forwarded version of black history. \n\nBlack people as a group are not 'angry'.  Some are angry; some don't care. My God...  And at this point I'd like to point out that we do not all mindlessly follow the lead of anyone put in front as some of you have stated. Don't beleive everything you read in the media ok?  Nobody whips black people up into a frenzy. Personally I don't know anyone who pays any attentiont to Al Sharpton.  Some of you are so insensitive and out of touch, it's ridiculous. \n\nTopics like this make me angry. People are just talking all out of their a_sses. How can people outside of a community speak for what goes on inside of it? I don't tell white people that black people have not discriminated against them. Why tell us that racism against us is a thing of the past?  You don't even know what being black in this country is or even means...\n\nAlso the black experience in this country is above and beyond slavery. What did you think?  Slavery ended. Slave and slave master just skipped off into the damned sunset, hand in hand singing  'Shiny Happy People' ? \n\nGive me a break.\nDisparities and negative atttudes about race do exist. For instance, black people are less likely to be hired. Did you know that? If not I don't know why because there have been several studies on the topic. It's the truth. I have a friend who was discouraged by the receptionist of a company from putting her more 'black-sounding' name on the application because the manager 'would be less likely to hire her'.   What do you think of this? \nEven black latinos in this country catch hell. For merely looking black. They are worse off than their whiter-looking counterparts.  They are subjected to the same economic and social treatment as us. The sad thing is some of them just got here and had no idea things were this f****ed up!   \nThis is a direct reflection of your so-called colorblind society. Because if black looking individuals who have nothing to do with the black experience can claim the same amount of injustice that black people supposedly whine about what does that really say to you about the progress of this country?  \n\nLet's end it here.  \nYou just don't get it; I will not even try to go into it with you. \n\nCan all of our problems be blamed on racism.  Yes (historically speaking) and no. The black community is at a crossroads. I won't get into it but we cannot let go of the past because the past still affects them.  However despite the institutionalized racism kept in place for decades black folks have got to come to terms with it.  We must get out of the victim role loop. No matter what has happened we must push forward.  We have no choice . The governement doesn't care. In truth it never did. \n\nAnd you say we should be thanking white people for enslaving the African to begin with? You deserve a good hard slap for that.\n\nThis country has completely f****d over an entire race of people.  My grandmother was begat out of rape--a product of her mother's white captors. The same is true for many blacks although racist propaganda will tell you different. Why else do you think we come in so many different hues?  I don't care if you're grandaddy was Thomas Jefferson, Washington or Roosevelt--who would be proud to claim that kind of legacy? \nThe denial of education, of voting rights, owning land, the rights of a black woman to her own body, of a black man to protect her and his family...  What the hell does THAT tell you?  Black people were never meant to progress as a people in this country; We were never supposed to succeed.\n\nSuppose you'll tell me to go back to Africa if I don't like this country?  Well, Africa is not my home. The African lost his cultural identity and had his native tongue and religion beat out of him once he was shipped here. \n\n...and I'm not going any damned where. My
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WOW!! I've only been going to Yahoo!Answers for a few days, and truthfully some of the names that you listed really upset me. I'm glad you can dish out a comment unlike theirs. It really upsets me to see them going over and over about the same issue in such a hate-full manner, one of them in particular(sealrborders) has really made it an agenda to over criticize and write some vary nasty comments. Then she has the audacity to ask why we write the same way back to her. If you can write a certain way then expect to get a certain answer. \nCan we be friends?
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I did try to discuss this topic with "Ouzian" in IM, to no avail.  Her claims of worries that her posts will be deleted show her persistence, fortitude, and concern.  ( I commend you for these projections of qualities, but)  The obvious glaring of extreme need to spread this word, this message, is shown by her >>(assumption based on avatar), other postings regarding the same subject.  It is also very clear that what her expressions convey in regards to this matter, are sprinkled with her fears.  And I also feel that based upon her posts, her links, and her blog information, that she wishes and intends to spread these fears.  It is clear, this fear does, as she does mention, help rule, and control.  (And I do agree with this).  There are many ways to control, or govern, a mass of people, and, some of these ways to govern have proven to be effective, and some very ineffective. (In regards to the best way for ALL social situations which we as a human race on earth face today-and there are many)  But the mystery truly is not what lies beneath Ouzians belief, and its possibility of validity, not at all!  The real mystery is why then does she not wish to participate in discussions in IM, or through other modes of correspondence with others, like myself, who show EFFORT in wishes to participate, and listen, in the direct concern towards her messages of understanding or beliefs, that could possibly lead to other followers of her belief, and help her cause?   (Persistence, fortitude and concern?)  To me this lack of communication shows contradiction in motive, shows lack of intitiative, NO EFFORT, and therefore, PROVES that some great "efforts" without real ACTION, are, like time does prove some things to be, ineffective, and, it is like trying to climb to the top of a pole that is covered in grease. (wasted energy).  I have many, many opinions in regards to what is going on in the world today, and have even been very expressive of these opinions to many people, through many modes of expression, and have always welcomed any open discussion to help people see the good, and bad, in different ways of having things work, globally.  (Because obviously, some things just don't work-that pole thing again.)   At this stage of the game, the most important thing is to keep the big-picture in mind, the long-haul.  Strengths and Weaknesses,  Problems and Solutions.   So, please help me understand then, Ouzian, why do you run so very, very fast, but insist on doing so by running in place?  Ineffective.  My real question to YOUR question, since I have already answered, and I will find it fair that YOU do not breach MY allowance in expression on the matter which you brought forth, in public forum, and at hand, now being met with discussion, as you wish-is that true mystery- Why did you even bother to post this?
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(pause here for deeply bitter laugh)...What an excellent question! Let's see, this is a poor woman? An immigrant? Not a middle class white woman?A woman whose family is not being torn to shreds over an agonizing decision about which they don't agree? This isn't an election year? The Shrub is in enough hot water with the public without having this situation getting the same headlines that Schiavo's case garnered? In any case, while I agree whole heartedly with your implication that the "Culture of Life" folks are a bunch of politically motivated hypocrites, I find that I am a little grateful that this lady was permitted to die without being at the center of a terrible storm of public controversy played out among people who don't even know her.Cold comfort, but it's all I have some days. I'm very grateful she had family with her, shame that compassion moved no one to wait for her mother.
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God dizzle, what are you on about?\n She has every right to say that, and shes true, if you've made up your mind to support bush then so be it. Im sick of us all being labeled 'Liberals', like its a dirty word. Im sorry, i seem to have missed the day when the idea of liberty became such a dirty word to the neo-con americans. \n To the poster, im sorry to hear about that, but some of us are just twats, basically. The left wing is full of 'FUCK BUSH'ers and frankly, its doing my sodding head in, Their are so many other issues we've got to grapple with, and i hated a liberal who doesnt know their facts. Im proud to be a Liberal, but im also proud to have actually studied my topics and know what im on about.\n I'd be glad to have a logical discussion with you :) Frankly, i dotn care if someones right-wing, if their courteous and rational im open to chat
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I wonder if the original native Americans (Red Injuns as you called em) had a say in the matter when the whites from across the ocean invaded their country and all but exterminated them.\n\nYou, dear person are also a descendant of immigrants yourself, I'm sure, as are most of the white and black American folks replying to you, unless you are of Native American descent (which I am sure you would not be proud to proclaim, if you were). Even the guys who came over on the Mayflower, they initiated the unjustness by being the harbingers of terror that culminated in the annihilation of native Americans\n\nI wonder when the Caucasian will ever get over the white 'massa' superiority complex?\n\n\nAmerica has been drawing people from all over the world, right from the days of it's discovery as a land with the fabled pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. Give it some more time, you'll end up with an exodus of people, as is happening among the immigrants from India which is gaining from the Brain Gain as opposed to the earlier brain drain.\n\nI remember when my cousin migrated to the US in the seventies, people had similar complaints about the Indians.\n\nTh reverse is happening now, a number of western countries have their top people insisting on an India stint, and the Indians, well they wanna come back to their roots\n\nst\n====================================================\nManicman:\nGive them time to, well assimilate!, as did most American forefathers! Let them understand that this (taxes, education and stuff like that) would be good for them, if you try to drive em out and hound them and try all the racism, then you are just going to increase the hatred, and have them doing stuff  like propogating the Mexican flag. \n\nDon't you understand that if you corner anybody, that being is going to cry out for help, and that's what they are doing, making the world aware of their plight by waving the Mex flag and burning the Stars and Stripes? What better way to come on prime time news than this?
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Why won't you write to me about this so we can have an intelliegent discussion about this?  Or even a debate about this?\nYou've read one writer's opinion in a Readers' Digest magazine, now you think you're an expert in the behaviors, lifestyles, and traditions within ALL the American Indian tribes.\nI've posted responses in your 3 previous questions/rants about my ancestors, and still you haven't responded.\nI've written to you through Yahoo mail inviting you to discuss your views in a rational manner, but you won't respond.\nI even have posted a question titled  "Zeepogee, why won't you contact me about your words about American Indians".\n\nI'll go to the library tomorrow to try and find this book you want everyone to read. If I can find it, I'll read it and get back to you. If I can't find it, I'd like a link from you where I can check out your source of opinion.\n\nYour "questions" are just rants. You ignore my open invitation for a friendly discussion, now you post this rant on here.\n\nYou can say I'm calling you out to talk about your views in front of all the readers on here.
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Get your head out of the sand. Rose is not racist. Rose, like me is plum fed up with the fact the government hasnt enforced the laws for years and is now surrendering because of their own failure.\n\nThe scary part...The OTM that are infiltrating our borders. Even since 911. \n\nAnd, if any illegal immigrant tries to conquer me, I will shoot to kill.\n\nYou guys attack her for legal immigration and not one of her posts does she bash the legal immigration. Read them before you answer.\n\n"Stolen" land? Ok lets fight for it then the way we "stole" it. Lets see who wins.\n\n\nRock on Rose!
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Yes i posted twice yesterday alone that she was racist. Always slamming Americans, and more loyal to Mexico, breaking the laws, throwing race cards when her argument fails, and basicaly irrational....\n\nMost of her questions are meant to antagonise and stir up anti-White anti-American sentiments. And they go on one after another all afternoon and night.....\n\nIt certainly isn't out of sincere interest in learning that she asks. The education of Americans alone was answered in and out last night. And objected to as it is one more lie to gain bleeding heart sentiment. They have learned one thing being here in America, that our fellow countrymen are far more critical and hateful to our own in these areas. They look down their noses if you take the cook job. If you dont your a lazy bastard. Now they have the nerve to say it's only jobs Americans wont work that the Illegals take.....\n\nShe has ILLEGAL relatives and so do a couple others who have frequented the answers to spouse racist comments. Rather than getting off her azz, shutting off the comp, and helping them apply to become legal citizens. She spends her time here defending them and slandering everything about this country. And to me that is the problem with amnesty. No loyalty or commitment to this country or our laws. She proves the point. If you speak with Legal immigrants their attitudes are alot different not only about Americans and their laws, but about the issues we ar debating about. They have a true commitement to the country, respect for what it took to get here, and pride that they perservered to get here.\nILLEGALS and children born of ILLEGALS (who never get legal) seem to have a very negative and destructive attitude. They basicaly have old world mind sets of pure survial, only about themselves and screw everyone else. I am sure that is not all, but I am seeing a knowtiseable trend the more time I spend talking to people about the issues.\n\nIF YOU KNOW OF ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS HERE IS THE WEBSITE TO REPORT THEM ALL.\nhttp://www.wehirealiens.com/
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We lost this war as soon as we started it, planksheer. Ignorant, cowardly, pseudo-patriotic scum like melonhead_ss wave their flags and espouse the glory of their idiot king, while others make all the sacrifices, including the supreme one. It is sickening.\n\nThis despicable gambit by the vile bush and his twisted, impotent advisers was a complete failure from day one. There was never a proper plan, let alone an exit strategy, so it was doomed from the outset. I hate these people for the harm they've done to my country.\n\nNote to planksheer: I wish I'd been able to contact you privately but I'll have to make do with this forum (at least until the yazis censor and remove both my post and my account). As you've doubtless already detected, they are protecting their pet, melonhead_ss, because they have been trying desperately to entrap me so they could "justify" my banishment from this site. I held fire -- until today. \n\nPlease consider the full ramifications of what I am saying here and what this means for ALL of you. This is by far the most abysmally administered website I have ever had the misfortune to waste my precious time and energy on. I wish now I'd never spent a minute here, though I can take small comfort in knowing I made my mark.\n\nBeware the double standards, the petty biases and the totally unethical and unprofessional conduct of the truly loathsome yazis (aka yahoo answers team). These people are beneath contempt and I need only call your attention to the example of their proxy, melonhead_ss, to perfectly illustrate my point. Had I attempted even a tenth of what that pitiful excuse for a human being has gotten away with on this site (and off) over this past week, my account would have been terminated immediately. \n\nAs it is, because I've finally reached the point of being fed up trying to achieve justice through the bogus and corrupt "system," I am certain to have my voice here silenced forever. So be it. I've posted enough over the months I've squandered my precious free time here to leave something of a legacy. My only regret is in not voting with my feet much sooner.\n\nGood luck to you, amigo. It was a privilege to stand at your side and fight the forces of darkness and ignorance for a time. Be well.
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DEAR HEAVENS!!  To the person who said something about forefathers, your logic is not flawed ~ it is non-existent!\n\nWhen the SETTLERS came here, they came to SETTLE.  Did they do the indigenous peoples wrong?  After a while, without question they did.  However, that is not the point right now.\n\nThe point is that there was, at *that* time, ROOM here.  People could go carve their world out of pieces of wilderness, risking life and limb on a daily basis.  They could worship freely; they could hunt and feed their family without fear of being sentenced to death for it; and on and on it goes.\n\nWe no longer NEED any more people here.  We're loaded to capacity as it is.  Every Country should do its best to improve itself and the citizens of that Country should HELP ~ not go elsewhere and burden another Country.\n\nIn answer to the actual question:  I don't think we should keep our borders open.  In fact, I think they should be closed until our current crises are repaired.  Once repaired, we could re-open our borders with more stringent and specific laws.  As another Responder said on another question, if we need an example of how to limit immigration, we need look only so far as the Mexican Constitution and their requirements for citizenship.\n\nTO TOPCAT420:  Amen!  I have difficulty justifying "fixing" things for other Countries when we have so much fixing we need to do right here!  I have long been a believer in restoring more lands to the Native American people, along with any and all mineral rights thereto.  And that's why i said we are loaded to capacity as it is!  We have enough for now.  We need to right a whole list of wrongs committed against the Native Americans, we need to stop children starving here in the U.S., we need to clean up our own interurban areas .. we have a LOT to do at home, for ourselves and by ourselves, before we can consider re-opening borders and helping others.\n\nThe U.S. has helped others until we've helped ourselves right into a hole.
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Now, you are a Mexican person that I can try to understand.  However, I also feel as Hayleylov does about your "loving Mexico."  If you love Mexico, why did you leave it?  If you love Mexico, why don't you go back there and try to help that country?  Why don't you just admit that Mexico is an awful country because they don't love or help their people?  If they did, their people wouldn't be making tracks to the USA for a better life!  I would understand you more if you said that you love your people and your culture, but that you don't love the government of Mexico and that you want to do something to change things back home.  I like that you seem to understand how the American citizens feel about the marching in the streets of the illegal immigrants and the waving of their flag while doing so.  However, you also say, "I want our country to thrive here and some day we can have mexican people in the senate and we can help more of our people and become stronger but not by hating them it wont happen that way my people lets me nice to them."  That whole sentence is offensive to American citizens!  No, you should want your country to thrive in Mexico, not here, and you should fix the government of Mexico, not state how you want Mexicans in the senate [in the USA] - that is not the way into the heart of Americans. That still sounds like you are "taking over."  Stop that kind of talk if you want to be accepted in the USA!  I, also, am from two countries - I was born in the USA and now live in Canada, having immigrated (legally) to Canada with my family many years ago and I have legal citizenship of both countries. I also love both countries very much!  However, I did not come to Canada saying that we Americans are going to take over Canada and place our American people into positions in the Canadian government, etc.,  Yes, be nice to the American citizens and talk about how much you love the USA and your mother country of Mexico and how you hope to make things better for your people in Mexico one day.  That is a much better and more acceptable way to be speaking when you have come to another country.  Believe me!
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1) for those of you with responses akin to "you have too much time on your hands, get a hobby" i kindly respond: you're the one who is searching out answers as to the identity of Cami of Laguna Beach.\n\n2) an analysis of the identity of a woman, from a woman, does not make the analyzer gay and subsequently interested in "doing" the analyzed.\n\n3) To "Devil's Advocate": you're horrifically misinformed on the politics of mixed race identity.  It seems that your knowledge base comes from an internet forum; perhaps you should continue your research. Your brazen generalizations deduce identity to the exact binaries mixed race people are breaking. \n\n4) I suppose i'm making people think; isn't that what we shoudl all be doing?