Ok, seems like I've hit a brick wall. Apparently, I can't some people to see my views here. \n\nHow about a compromise? I am open to suggestions on compromises. This problem will never be solved overnight. Including others, we are stressing over this. I wish there was a quick solution. \n\nI am angry that they abuse the welfare system, enter here illegally through our borders, and manipulate the system to give their kids automatic citizenship. I wish a simple compromise could be met on both sides. \n\nThat is what they are doing. But everyone has to understand that both sides will continue to bicker about the pros and cons of immigration. Perhaps both sides being unified, our neighbors could be our biggest ally. They've got to be willing for open discussion, as we also need to be open also. \n\nIt takes two sides to work an agreement. I am willing to admit that this issue can be solved peacefully, which will benefit both sides. \n\nWe got enough to worry about as it is (oil, threats).
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What's to bicker about?  Illegal is illegal, and the problem is huge.\n\n\nFrom the L.A Times\n\n1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card. \n\n2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.\nhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040119-082933-4484r.htm\n\n3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.\n\n4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers. \n\n5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.\n\n6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.\n\n7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border. \n\n8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.\n\n9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.\n\n10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).\n\n(All 10 from the Los Angeles Times)\n\n\nLess than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.\nhttp://www.cis.org\n\n\nOver 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.\n\n\nThe cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University]. \n\n29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
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Honestly when it comes to this whole debate about immigration I'm a bit torn.  \n\nHere are some of my thoughts (whether they make sense or not is another story):\n\nToday I was able to order lunch at McDonalds today and they got my order right thanks to the illegal immigrants not being at work because of the boycott.\n\nOur nation was built by many great people, most of whom were immigrants. But the immigrants who came here previously worked hard to learn the language and make a better life for their families.\n\nToo many immigrants don't understand why they are really boycotting anyway.  Seeing someone draping themselves with a Mexican flag doesn't scream "I want to be an American and make a better life for my family" it says more that they want to bring everything that is Mexico with them even though they are running from it by coming here in the first place.\n\nAmerican students are held back to make sure their immigrant counterparts are able to get up to speed which proves difficult because of language and cultural barriers.\n\nSome immigrants like one of my neighbors do work their tails off to learn english, contribute to the community and help their neighbors out when in need.  The neighbor I am speaking of mows the elderly woman across the street's lawn and shovels her walk during the winter.  His wife will often cook dinners for another neighbor who is pregnant and whose husband is in Iraq.\n\nTo answer your question would I boycott a business that closes to support the Hispanic community?  I don't know.  It would probably depend on what I knew about the business and their motives for doing so.  It's a tough call, at least for me.
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You mention numerous good points. Truth is, illegal immigrants themselves (Mexicans or others) are not the problem. It is the failure of the American Gov. and the American peopele. The gov guys are too busy trying to get reelected and make some $$$$ for themselves and their families. The Messicans are only trying to better their lives ...a human trait.\nAmericans are all skuttling around taking care of paying their bills and making ends meet that they don't participate in the process of creating  security, and standards in gov and their lives to worry about immigration until it maybe is too late.\nHow can any of you, knowing that supposedly voting for what you believe in is going to determine your future, even in the greatest compassion for the poor illegals, condone immigration by only one group in the large, electoral modifying sizes that these people are coming into our country? I love compassion but who will weep for me when there is crime beyond our ability to control it, there is not housing or water or elec. or gasoline or? you name it ..because there are too many people. The maojority (amnystied illegal/not citizens will vote for social welfare programs to feed their families, give them health care etc. For Pete's sake ...these people aren't even citizens and they are demanding things. Wake up and take your country back. Let the gov guys know you're PO and your mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. And then do something about it. Find your own little way to boycott, to not support, to speak of your concerns to your compatriot American brothers and systers. Rise up and DO something. Think about it ...you will figure a way to play your part in protecting our country and way of life from an invasion. Forget the terroists in the Middle East. We have a much bigger problem with this issue here in this country. Just remember ...it's your brother, boyfriend, husband, father that is over in Irag possibly dieing for America and Americans. Think they want to come home to a world of poverty stricken, illegal types who speak a language other than English? By all means be compassionate with others of all races ...but get our nest in oder first ...then we can work on Mexico and other corrupt governments to take care of what is their responsiblity.
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NO! Because we cannot afford a huge flood of immigrants into this country, our social structure cant bear it.  Plus, then you are allowing everyone in- I dont know about you, but Id prefer Mexico keep their child molestors and murderers, we have enough up here already.  Are the schools in your area empty?  Are they complaining about having too much money?  I know mine are filled to the max, so an uncontrolled flood of illegals filling the place up faster than we can build new schools would not be a good thing.  Are the jails empty and your cops having nothing to do in your area?  Not the case where I live.  Are the roads empty where you live?  Not where I live, I dont know if they can bear thousands of new cars on the road, as you flood us with illegals.  Are your health care costs Low?  Is it easy to find a Dr. in your area?  By adding millions of uninsured illegals to our system, do you think your costs would go down or up (duh-up of course!)? Etc Etc.  Legal immigration allows for non-criminal, educated people, who actually want to be come productive citizens to come to the US in a controlled manner.  Legal immigration is great.  Illegal immigration is horrible for the US and for all the legal citizens (both immigrants and natural born).  Learn the facts of this problem before spouting off about how our government is "being mean".
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True as rain my dear.  Nobody but you has said anything rational about the whole immigration thing without degrading the Hispanics.  There is no need to call names.  Somebody might have a valid solution to the problem for both ends, but blow the whole thing by using words like*******etc.  You made a very good point.  Good Question.
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I think the felony for aiding an immigrant is a non-starter and a negotiating point the House put in.  I think if we can't enforce the laws we have, all we would have with that law is an even more 'illigitimate law'.  (I am sure that is in your text book too.)\n\nHowever, while the principles you are discussing are one theory of political analysis, using any one theory alone is like wearing blinders.  Yours doesn't get you to the point in this case.\n\nThere is frustration with a demand for rights we reserve to legal status individuals, and with the assumption that overburdening schools and services should not be taken into account if the people doing it are 'good people'.  Basic human rights are different, and if we are physically being cruel to people or not allowing them due process or something, that would be different.\n\nThose who repeat that illegal immigrants are here illegally aren't dim wits unable to comprehend basic social theory, and many have progressed beyond Poli Sci 101.  What you see is people saying that the ones demanding legal resident rights aren't entitled to them, and are out of line to demand that kind of rights.   Those rights are conferred precisely because people are here legally.  Illegal immigrants aren't part of the protected class that came here legally at a rate designed for assimilation. \n\nI believe that, myself.  I think the best argument for regularizing current illegal immigrants is that while we have to close the border and limit immigrants, these people are already here.  As a practical matter, if they would meet our standards (not gang members or terrorists, and self supporting), a lot of people think it is best to just say 'ok start today' on tough enforcement.  The problem is that the amnesty in 1986 to do just that was taken by many as something that would happen regularly.  Since 1986, there has not been enforcement at the border and the illegal immigrant population has exploded.  Moreover, people come onto this site and actually say they should get amnesty 'because nothing has been done for Mexicans since 1986', as if amnesty were a regular process.  That would nullify our immigration policies, which have good reason for existing.\n\nI think we need to close the border, really, really close the border.  Then we can turn to the people inside, and decide how to handle that.  It is a lot easier to be empathetic when you are not being told that theoretically we should support the poor of the entire world.
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Nope, the points of argument are all yours. Do you have a possible solution? Maybe putting some Americans who have lived for generations on welfare to work doing the jobs the illegals came for.? \n\nI say just wait, the next great depression is coming and the situation will resolve itself. No work is too hard or dirty when your family is starving.
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"The past formation of the country doesn't matter. " ROFL!!!!!!!  Another one who wants to abolish the consititution. \n\nI understand the original poster's point, because I took the time to understand it rather than jump to emotional irrational arguments.  The point is that humans will always have some group that's 'different' that they will pick on and blame for their problems, rather than looking internally.  It's that easy answer/instant gratification syndrome.  \n\nI'm not going to debate the pros and cons of immigration and illegal immigrants.  We all have our opinions and most people don't care to see reason on either side.  It's just a hot button on a forum like this.
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I think a wall should be built only if/when we decide to enforce our own immigration laws otherwise it will not do any good.  It has to be in phases, you build a wall, and then what, amnesty, guest worker programs, what would be next?  Something realistic I hope because some of the solutions Ive seen on here are a little extreme and not going to happen ever, the people who suggest them while claiming to be so smart, really aren't if they think that will be allowed or even lawful.
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I think I like this kind of talk\nBottom line: The issue may come down to what one veteran pollster called "sequencing" -- where voters want the government to demonstrate that it's serious about reducing illegal immigration before legalizing 12 million people. That would mean first controlling the border and creating a tamper-proof citizenship card so that employers who hire illegal workers can be prosecuted then assembling a legalization plan.  \n\nI could definitely live with this.Thanks for the great information\nIn the words of that great sage Yogi Berra(not sure of the spelling)\n"It ain't over till its over"
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BEWARE!! Friends of America. \nThe lid is coming off this can of “worms”. \nI know that as this issue gets hotter \nit will turn VERY violent. \nNot by “gringos”, but by the illegal invaders. \n\nThese folks have a vested interest \nin protecting their ability \nto beg, borrow and definitely steal in this country. \nThey are NOT going to go quietly. \n\nOne of these days in the near future, \nthese millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS And Their Advocates\nare going to become berserkers. \n\nIt is the intention of Mexicans to "reclaim" the four border states\nand merge them back with Mexico \nand they are willing to do it with violence. \n\nThese 20 million plus illegals will go on a rampage \nthe minute any serious round up and deportation begins, \nbut it must get done for the very surivival of Our Republic\n\nI predict massive riots, looting, and killing within 2-3 years \nas we try to deport \nand otherwise enforce the laws that are already on the books,\nnot to mention new ones that will be passed in the next 2 years. \n\nSo lock and load, \n\nyes I said it, \n\nbecause what today are knife assaults \ntomorrow will turn into gun attacks on the populace \nas a desperate 20-30 million illegal aliens \nare slowly ushered out of this country on posh jets \nby our mealy mouthed, weak, politically correct administration. \n\nYou will have to keep your kids inside your house \nfor fear of having them shot or abducted by aliens for ransom. \n\nYou will have pot shots being taken \nat the morning rush hour traffic, \n(especially at fancy BMWs Mercedes Lexus’s etc) \nfrom the bushes by disgrunteled \nunemployed ILLEGAL Alien workers. \n\nYou will have 10x increased robberies \nof convenience stores and other small businesses. \nYou will have marauding gangs and carjackers \nroaming the streets at night \nto assault and rob pedestrians \n\nJust wait, \n\na full blown civil war awaits us \nif we manage to “deprive” these people \nof day work, nanny work, hotel work, and agricultural labor jobs. \n\nTalk about Al Quaeda, \nwe will have 20-30 million potential terrorists \nright here in our cities, \nALL with fake ID \nand a network of friends and relatives to help them. \nIt will make the Sunni Triangle \nlook like Central Park, or Balboa Park, on a Sunday afternoon. \n\nIt’s coming. \n\nRemember the LA riots?? \nWell this is 1000 times that\nAnd Will Be Happening In Cities NATIONWIDE\n \nThese ILLEGAL Aliens \nare getting angrier and more violent by the week, \nand Mr. Bush knows it. \nHe has been advised by Homeland Security \nwhat I just said above. \nThat’s why he’s such a worm about all this. \nHe just doesn’t want it all to happen on his watch. \n\nThe next president \nwill have to completely capitulate to the illegals demands, \nor face the above consequences. \n\nWhat do you think will happen??
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Right here with you sealrborders!  Keep up the good work!  You have tons of support, believe me!  Don't let the few illegal-huggers get you down!  Ignore the nasty names - that's what they resort to because they really know you are right and they haven't got a single good argument for why they are pro-illegal immigrants, other than because they, themselves, are illegal or they are in love with an illegal, or their parents or other relatives or friends are illegal (they, themselves, are often anchor babies and so want their parents to get that easy amnesty George Bush is promising them), or they own businesses and hire illegals to take advantage of the slave labour, or they hire them to clean their houses, mow their lawns, or look after their children, again for cheap slave labour that they don't want to lose because they are too cheap to pay proper wages to legal immigrants or American citizens.\n\nBelieve me, we loves ya!\n\nPS:  Especially ignore sqwirlsgirl - she's one of the above-described illegal-huggers, I just haven't quite figured out which one yet.
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ok u know what?... i'm going to be honest with u.. cause this is actually making me crazy!... i've been talking about this issues for more than weeks now..  had big arguments with my father because of this... my famyly came to the united states with visa.. after a couple of years the united states granted us the residence... to all this.. my parents had been paying taxes since they arrive to this country and decided to stay... this is the case for many people.. that dont actually are from MEXICO .. for your information and for many others that are going to read this.. let me tell u this... many people that happen to come to the united states are also from south america and central america... and many "north americans" tend to label everyone as MEXICANS... this bring disconfort to many people.. i think u should start thinking about how u think about this....\ni know many people that work and do a lot for this country's economy.. and i do agree that many people that want to be legal here don't deserve it... and those should be returned to their own country... \ni also think that many people living here need to get educated and realize that if they're going to protest for their legal status.. they shouldn't be taking their countries flag because of course.. we're talking about USA... not mexico, guatemala, el salvador and many other countries.. they came here.. they live here and they should learn to speak english and become civilized people... \ni also think that the idea of singing the national us anthem in spanish was a bad idea.. i know it was done with the best thoughts but i agree when they say that the anthem it's something that should be sang in the language of the country... i would feel offended by something like that too.. and i ask for an apology to those that agree with me...
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Discover problem: illegal immigration cross over US boarders.\n\nSolution: Hire 6000 patrol officers to guard a 1500-mile border. Build a 500-mile chain link fence.\n\nProblem not solved. Charities now helping illegal immigrants cross over.\n\nNew solution: Increase to 14000 patrol officers. Offer 4-star holding-cells with welcome party to immigrants that make it over. Raise budget for war in Iraq. Hold party for other laws piggy-backing the immigration laws.\n\nProblem still not solved.\n\nNew solution: Legalize red-neck hunting of illegal immigrants.\n\nProblem solved.
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Good question.  I'd like to hear some good reasons why they think it is acceptable too. Personally I don't think there is ANY valid argument that will fly for coming here illegally.  I'll check back.  Thanks for asking.
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Honey, you are barking up the wrong tree by trying to rationalise this problem with those who are willingly crossing our borders and breaking our laws.  Why SHOULD they change this behaviour?  Why SHOULD they fix their own country's system?  They can come here, illegally, but no one seems to mind.. they can work for cash and pay no taxes and take that money back to Mexico.. AND they can apply for and RECIEVE public assistance..INCLUDING welfare CHECKS.. and all of THAT money goes back to Mexico as well.  WE are funding their country and their government only has to tell them HOW.   Don't think for a minute that this is fantasy.. I worked for the department of Social Services in California and I was REQUIRED to give them the benefits even though they were illegal.. and I was FORBIDDEN to even SAY the words 'green card' to them. why?  because it might OFFEND them!!  Needless to say, I didn't stay long.. but I did take the time to talk to many of my clients.. yes, the illegal ones [after all, they made up 90%!! of my case load] and they explained the entire process to me.. all the time LAUGHING at how STUPID we Americans are to ALLOW them to do it.  So, I know what I'm talking about.
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ASKER--You May Use ANY PART OF ANY TEXT That You May Find In My Blog For Your Proposal AT YOUR LEISURE\nIf You Need ANY Assistance Contact Me\nI Will Be MORE Than Happy To Assist You In ANY WAY\n**************************\n\nCANYONLANDS--They Already DO TUNNEL IN, AND They Bring DRUGS Through The Tunnels\n\njunior_03yes---Perhaps If There Were Not So Many ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS In The US, CITIZENS(White, Black, Hispanic)Could FILL The JOBS The ILLEGALS ARE TAKING And The Welfare Recipients Could Earn A DECENT LIVING\n(I THOUGHT I Told You To GO READ A BOOK)\nNow GO READ A BOOK And MAYBE Youll LEARN Something\n*****Youll All Have To Excuse junior_03yes, Hes Obviously A VICTIM Of The OVERCROWDED SCHOOLS Ive Mentioned In Other Answers AND In My Blog\n\n*************************\n\n\nPosted by The Watchdog - April 6th, 2006 \nDavid M. Bresnahan\nApril 1, 2006\nNewsWithViews.com \n\nDear President Bush: \n\nI’m about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and I would like\n to ask you to assist me. I’m going to walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico,\n and I need to make a few arrangements. I know you can help with this. \n\nI plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws.\n I’m sure they handle those things the same way you do here. \n\nSo, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I’m on my way over?\n Please let him know that I will be expecting the following: \n\n1. Free medical care for my entire family.\n2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.\n3. All government forms need to be printed in English.\n4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.\n5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.\n6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.\n7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.\n8. I will need a local Mexican driver’s license so I can get easy access to government services.\n9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won’t make any effort to learn local traffic laws.\n10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police officers speak English.\n11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.\n12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and don’t enforce any labor laws or tax laws.\n13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the economy. \n\nI know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that Pres. Fox won’t mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely. \n\nThank you so much for your kind help. \n\nSincerely, \n\nDavid M. Bresnahan\n\nPosted in Border crossing, Pro-Illegal Groups, Mexico \n\n\nDo Ya GET IT??