Take a look at the website www.evilbible.com\n\nAfter looking over a few of the articles and the proof for the claims (direct bible quotes), what can you still say to defend the bible, and to defend how "good" Jesus and god are?
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I think the site is very interesting. Conservative Christians believe the bible is the word of god, which is obviously not true, as people here have said, there is a difference between the old and new testiment... therefore they ignore parts of the bible, so people DO ignore some of gods words! I have always wondered how people decided what parts of the bible they to ignore and what parts they follow... and have posted a lot of questions about that.. no one has an answer, they say you feel it in your heart or through god... all this explains why in the past Christians were so racist and destroyed so many cultures... and why they are homophobic now. They are affraid to even question the bible, but by ignoring things (like the old testiment) they not only question, they judge and reject. The site is worth a read... as it comes to the conclusion.. lets just reject the lot!\nChristianity is like this weight dragged along by humanity, reinforcing old out dating philosophies. We drag them along.. and say to them... slavery is bad.. they argue its in the bible, its ok... then after time the accept, because its from society where they get their beliefs not the bible.
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Amen, sister!\nIt soon became obvious the majority(not all) of non -religious Q/A posters are not here in search of the truth/real answers/religious debate...but their motives are strictly  my opinion so I'll keep them to myself\nI used to get extremely annoyed at people for accusing Christians as a whole of being like the few obvious bad apples that are well known...but then God showed me something in the bible to put me at ease\nHe said:\nJohn 15:19-21 \n19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. \n20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. \n21But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.\n\ncomforting to know!\n regarding the accusations people make of Christians trying to "shove" God down the throats of others- my experience is most of us aren't like that. Just talking about God and his love doesn't constitute trying to convert people.  But we all have witnessed a few people who ARE like that...He told me to remind them of this-\n\nMatthew 10:13-15 \n13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. \n14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. \n15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.\n\nThat made me realize what a HUGE responsibility we have to say the right thing when we are talking to others about God! So I pray and ask God to make sure when I speak  of Him only what is true comes out of my mouth!  I am sure He answered me too, because a few times I tried to answer posts and it just wouldn't go through, got erased, disconnected, etc! I love God...He saves me from myself regularly  :-)\n\n\nAs long as we do our part to spread the Word of God, we are doing what is right;their judgement will be on them!- we can't worry about people who REFUSE to hear, time is precious! \nSo I stopped arguing with people on this forum about God..I'll say what I want to say in praise of God, and anyone who doesn't like it can take it up with the Judge\nPEACE\n\np.s. I know what you mean about "we've found something and want everybody to get it too"\nIts such an overwhelmingly good feeling that when you try to describe it to people, its like bluh,bluh,bluh  because there are no adequate words!
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Well, I'm not a Christian and I don't believe the Bible is the 'Word of God' as Christians claim but..... \n\nI do think this verse has something very poignant to say.\n\nA good tree can be used as an analogy for a good person. A good person is full of goodness, and there is no rottenness found in their being. Whatever that person does or says, will be with the purity of heart and the best intentions in mind. That way whatever comes from them either in deed or things they vocalize, will be to bring about 'good'.\n\nThe bad tree is just the opposite.\n\nI don't think it has anything to do with pro-creation. The 'fruit' is analogy for whatever it is you produce in life. A tree bears fruit, a person produces either good or bad deeds.\n\nI personally like that analogy.
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The reality is, as you are so correctly noting, that anyone can take the bible and use it to back up or justify just about any opinion.  So simply quoting some text out of context is no way to settle anything.  It is a waste of time.\n\nBetter, consider the overall theme and purpose of the bible which is simple that people come closer to God by coming closer to people.  So the point is we are to be kind to one another and work at getting along.\n\nStay nice.  Stay happy.
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You have yet to "prove" the Bible and it's message is false.\nAnd i as a believer will not honor your request untill you and your fellow atheists stop posting in the religion and spirituality area.\n\nIf you truly don't believe then why do you come here over and over?
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Well first you should be sure that it is a false doctrine.  Anybody can quote scripture to mean whatever they want it to mean.  This is the first tool of the devil, to quote scripture and appear as an angel of light.\n\nHere is how you check doctrine when people sling verses at each other:\n\n1.  Go to the Father's of the Christian Faith.  All the way back and preferably pre-300 being sure to check a Father that was taught by the Apostles or one in the 2nd generation.  Check to see if the Father's address this issue directly or a seed of this doctrine is present.  \n\n2.  Now check the Father's 300-800 AD and see how they developed the issue.\n\n3.  Now check the Fathers 800-1200 AD and see how they developed the issue.\n\n4.  Now check the Fathers and medieval scholastics 1200 AD -1500 AD and see how they develop the issue\n\n5.  STOP DO NOT CHECK POST 1500 YET!!!\n\n6.  Started back from the beginning check to see how Official Christian Teaching has dealt with the issue.  Check the councils that come out of the Churches of the East and West paying attention to the great councils.  Also be sure to check each Churches catechism, including the early Didache.\n\n7.  You now have a core understanding of how the Christian Faith has dealt with the doctrine throughout history.  Use this to determine where to look post 1500.  Ignore any Christian group that DIRECTLY contradicts this 1500 years of teaching and explanation of scripture.\n\n8.  Now check those group(s) that you have determined in step \n7 according to the writings of acclaimed Christians and official positions within that group in the following periods.  1500-1800AD, 1800-1945 AD, 1945-present AD. \n\n9.  You now have a complex and well developed understanding of what the TRUE Christian doctrine is.\n\n10.  Take this and discuss this with your friend.\n\n11.  Pray that the individual who is not in line with 2000 years of Christian Faith change their ways and accept the Faith.\n\nHope that helps.  If you need sources of where to look (great big book and net sites) message me.  Also include the specific doctrine and I will help you more.\n\nBlessing of Christ to you!
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Hello Amanda!\nIt would help if you could be more Specific on these questions!\nJesus Loves You!\nLater-----Ditto...........................\n\nLater:\nThats true, you can Take words out of the Bible, so GOD Warned us.\n\nThe Anti-Christ Spirit (satan) is in the World and has been for a Long Time---satan uses someone who will let him, when it comes to being the Anti-Chirst in the Flesh (Human Body).  There have been Several Anti-Christ's in the Flesh since satan gained Entrance to this World.\nI Think that the Last one is Alive at some Age on the Earth right now, in another Country, but those are Just my Thoughts, I could be Wrong.\n\nThese last Two questions are what I need more Info. on to be able to give a more Fuller Answer.\nThank you.
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1. I love the website linked! It has every verse in the King James Bible listed directly and exactly as it is and reveals it for what it is. \n\nBibleGod killed babies, commited mass genocide and more and is all clearly there! \n\n2. The answer is no. There is some literature that is equally cruel and violent, but not anywhere close to having the vast amount of it as the bible does. \n\nBTW, I found a link to this great video clip on that site!\nhttp://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/06/bible-is-bullshit.html\n\nThanks abunch!
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The bible is 99% pure, however there still exist copyist errors which you most definitely have pointed out.  The first is a numbering copyist error and the second, one of the daughters is actually Merab.  However the christian faith does not rest on tiny pieces of data like these examples.  All of the questionable material of the bible has absolutely no impact on the doctrine of Christianity--they are all very minute details such as the ones you have pointed out.  The other 'supposed' contradictions out there commit several logical fallacies such as quoting out of context and juxtaposition, and do not look at hebrew or greek colloquialisms
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Thanks for debunking that baby smashing issue.\n\nIt strikes me as odd that the God-haters can find none of this negative text to rant about  in the new testament.\nWonder why that is?\n\nYou suppose its because the ancient world was filled with horrible evil people and God had to be harsh with them because they were downright wicked?   Huge  armies roamed about, plundering and pillaging everything they found. Maybe God knew things were going to become more civilized (at least for a little while) after Jesus came with the new message. \n\nGee, Jesus taught turn the other cheek, pray for your enemies. That doesn't sound like a hateful God to me.\n\nToo bad atheists can't come forward to the 21st century. \nThey accuse Christians of being stuck in the year 1000BC and yet the only part of the bible they care to quote comes from the BC era.  \n\nWonder why that is??\nBile spewing, hatefilled God haters. Sad, so sad.
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Well done for starting to think like a human.\n\nIt is pretty obvious that the bible is not true. It is a packaged product designed to create a religious truth with which to bind (and blind) people. \n\nBind in that you believe in 'God' and you have to take the bible wholesale (imperfections, contradications and everything). Blind int hat you have to ignore the real evidence of history in order to 'believe' and be saved.\n\nArcheologists do not tend to use the bible as source material because so much of it is false. There is no historical reference to Jesus outside of a few books in the bible. \n\nIn the ancient world myths were not seen as untrue in quite the way we see them today. Myths were a way of spreading a spritual idea or 'truth' through the telling of an allegorical tale that could work on many levels. \n\nThe Egyptians, for example, were prodigious record keepers. We have found written accounts for the tiniest minutea of their daily lives, and records for nobles and royal families stretching back many thousands of years. We even know the names of those kings that that they tried to have 'erased' from history. \nYet nowhere in any of these records is a high nobleman called 'Moses' recorded. And there is no mention anywhere of the Jews being held captive in Egypt, or of thousands of Jewish 'slaves' suddenly up and leaving via the red sea. \n\nRead the bible, by all means. But do not take it literally!
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OK, I am way at the bottom here. I will keep it short. \n\nI can understand your frustration, musicimprovedme, but let me take your username as a starting point. Do you believe that the works of Bach are accurate? How do you know they were not changed over the years? Do they not have a signature TGABG (To God Alone Be Glory)? Do they not have his style? Isn't it for reverence to his brilliance that we copied the manuscripts painfully accurate?\n\nFirst, forget who compiled it, its not important. Is it accurate? The Dead Sea Scrolls proved that the entire book of Isaiah can be copied for 2,000 years and still stay 100% accurate.\n\nDo you believe that Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life?" If not, you have no hope. If you do, act on that alone. That is all you need for salvation. You have to ask yourself what you want. Do you want salvation? Do you want to believe the Bible? Do you want hope and truth? You need to be talking to God about this, not a bunch of Yahoos on Yahoo! (I include myself)\n\nDo you want proof of the Bible's authenticity? Read my studies below. Do you want to come in contact with your Creator? Read the first one below. But stop assuming things that are not true on the Bible. That is not the problem, the problem is your lack of personal relationship with your loving Creator.
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Well, since the Bible is referenced in historical texts, more than any other book, and the story of Jesus is told in the Bible, I think that is considered historical proof. These stories are not new. The concept of Jesus' existance is harder for the modern day person to believe because we are 2000 years removed from that time. However, several texts, scrolls, letters, etc. were written soon after the death and resurection of Christ. Also, do not forget that zealous Jewish priests were persecuting Christians in order to try and get them to deny the message of Christ. This went on for a long time, and yet, the message has survived until now...2000 years later. Is it possible that it is all made up? I suppose there is no 100% evidence that it existed. But then, can you 100% proove that your great (time 5) grandfather existed? If you never met him and no one alive on this earth ever met him, how can you "proove" he existed. The simple fact is, you can't. But you believe because 1) you have faith. and 2) all the evidence presented supports that he did exist. All the evidence supports the existance of Christ. \n\nI suggest you pick up a copy of the book "The Case for Christ" by Lee Stroble. This presents the stories in a very "judicial" method. Giving the evidence and the opposing sides views and why the evidence supports the message of Christ.
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I think it went much further than Gay.  Much of the old writing were of a vengeful God. One whose name you could not mention.  Jesus freed us from the old testament.  Beside Jesus told us to love your brother, sounds pretty perverted to me.  But also pretty open minded.  His first invite to heaven was a theif wasn't it. If God is good and the Devil is evil both without the other concept in them aren't they equals in some sense. Hell was in the times of the Bible only a burning pit for the evilest of criminals outside the gates of Jerusalem not someplace of eternal damnation
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siamsalem007: are you serious or are just that dumb? it is by leaps and bound easier to follow the herd so you don't have to formulate original thoughts or have an individual opinion.  i don't mean to bash or berate, but come on! jeewhiz! <---hehe that rhymes with jesus. HA!\n\nand for all of you christians supposedly being supportive and caring, you sure are a bunch of ravenous close-minded religion-mongers. what makes you think you deserve eternal paradise? because some book written by the hands and fingers of men tells you so? at the very LEAST, practice what you freaking preach! so few of you do.
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Nice book. (If you’re a sadist)\n\n\n(edit)\nWhy would the old testament be in the book if this god decided to change his cruel, voilent and hatefull ways. Then you shouldn't present the old testament to me. If I tell you "Hey man, here is the word or GOD, the creator of all the universe! He is all-knowing, all-powerful and all-present!!!! ..But why then is there a part in his word that doesn't apply to our time?? I thought he is all-present which would mean his word will be timeless.
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Ah ...the soft-shoe routine you can get from people who believe in the "inerrant" Bible - when a text clearly states something so awful that it must be re-re-reinterpreted.\n\nSo .. a word from our sponsor:\nIsiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things."\n\nAnd now let's hear the various (laughable) renditions of what "evil" means "in this context," or "the actual Hebrew means something totally different." - obviously it couldn't just mean "evil," .... could it? \n\nThere is no one answer to your question. Current theology, in a vain attempt at sidestepping the mystical trend that produced the citation above, holds that God did NOT do what He says He did, or that it's a "mystery to be revealed in the end to us all."