I was speaking to this theology student and he told me that the  stones of the 10 commanments was never found, maybe Moses is also fictional. \n\nShow us some proof.
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Moses is thus one of the most influential men in human history. Even so, for well over a century, Moses has come under fire from both scholars and clerics. Many challenge the belief not only that Moses performed miracles and led the Israelites out of Egypt but also that he even existed. \n\nAt first glance, such skepticism might seem to have merit. For example, critics observe that archaeological proof has been found to confirm the existence of such Bible personages as Israelite King Jehu, but no archaeological evidence has been found to confirm the existence of Moses. This is hardly proof that Moses is a myth, however. Skeptics once argued that others mentioned in the Bible, such as Babylonian King Belshazzar and Assyrian King Sargon, were likewise myths—until archaeology later confirmed their historicity.\n\nAuthor Jonathan Kirsch reminds us: “The remnants and relics of biblical Israel are so sparse that the utter absence of Moses in any source except the Bible itself is neither surprising nor decisive.” According to Kirsch, some thus argue that it is unlikely that Moses could be a mere figment of someone’s imagination, since “a life story so rich in detail and dialogue, so complex . . . , could not have been made up.”\n\nAs for the lack of archaeological evidence for the wilderness sojourn, we must remember that the Jews were nomads. They built no cities; they planted no crops. Presumably, they left behind little more than footprints. Still, convincing evidence of that sojourn can be found within the Bible itself. Reference is made to it throughout that sacred book. (1 Samuel 4:8; Psalm 78; Psalm 95; Psalm 106; 1 Corinthians 10:1-5) Significantly, Jesus Christ also testified that the wilderness events took place.—John 3:14.\n\nUnquestionably, then, the Bible’s account of Moses is credible, truthful. Even so, he lived a long time ago
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Having read the four gospels several times, I'm fairly confident that he did exist as a person. As an atheist, however, I feel certain that he was not the son of God and that many of the events described in the gospels are metaphorical. I do strongly believe that he was an extremely charismatic individual who was a positive force in the world. Of course, many of his teachings (Love thy neighbor, for example) came from Judaism.
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I try not to think and according to wikipedia its authenticity is questioned, but you got me to learn something new, thankyou. :)\n\nThe fact that the Zohar was found by one lone individual, Moses de Leon, and that it refers to historical events of the post-Talmudical period, caused the authenticity of the work to be questioned from the outset.
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There you go again, treating these ancient legends as if they were literally true, in the sense that we hope our newspaper stories are true.  But then, even newspapers generally acknowledge when they have made an error, or said something that was mis-interpreted.  How can you expect an author so long dead as to be a Biblical author to have control over the mis-translations, mis-interpretations and outright distortions of subsequent centuries?  Christians and Jews should count themselves lucky they have any scripture at all.\n\nWell, Jews maybe not so much lucky as proud of their job of preservation, since their religion is centered on protecting the Torah.  Good work, fellas!  (It WAS the fellas, too; they only recently got women involved to any extent.)
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I took a class my freshman year in college called "Early Christian Writings"......Jesus the man did exist.....historically .....there is proof of it......but many things do not fall in line the way the Bible and Christian Theoligans would like to believe or preach.  E.g. he was born 6 BC.....six years than earlier thought...which would make this year...1991?.....Also..he was very open minded.....the missing years of his life when everyone else would like to believe he was making chairs in his father's workshop....he was in the east studying eastern religions.....which is why he is so openminded.   A lot of things he said were not his words originally.   E.g.  His Sermon on the Mount was a direct quotation from Moses.......from the first five books of the bible.....this was how "The Word" was passed down in those times....orally......teachers would walk around....and his students...or "disciples" would follow him as he recited these verses.   When people asked him "are you the son of God?"....he was like...."hello McFly???? we are all the sons of God"........so they killed him.....just because he wasn't a hyprocrite.....do I think he was the Son of God?....of course....we are all...just look around you....do I think he performed miracles?......yes!!! anything is possible through God......and I believe he is the same God for everyone...just called different names....Allah, God....etc...Does God exist???is there proof??? it depends on what you believe is proof....proof has many dimensions.......and I believe faith to be one of them...you can be an Atheist....but It feels so much better to believe in something....
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Someone posted a question trying to justify incest with his daughters using the OT example of Lot as an example. I spent quite a time answering this, only to find the next morning that the question had been removed. Just in case anybody else has problems with the passage, here's my answer anyway.\n\nLot and his Daughters\n\nThank you for raising this question, it's caused me to get my Bible out and read the story again for myself. If anybody is actually interested in understanding it properly, they need to go back to Genesis 11 and start from the beginning.\n\nAn old pagan called Abram is worshipping one day at the local ziggurat in Ur of the Chaldees and Yahweh comes and reveals Himself to him. The Bible doesn't tell us that Abram did anything special to earn or merit this revelation, just that God, for His own reasons, chose to reveal Himself to him. This really upset the religious locals, who followed a mixture of astrology and Babylonian mystery religions. Abram was rejecting their pantheon of Gods and going round telling people there was only one true God. Talk about upsetting the neighbours. And you should have heard the gossip!\n\nAbram leaves Ur with his father Terah, his nephew Lot and their households. They passed through the Euphrates (a type of baptism) and arrived at Harran, where they got too comfortable and stayed until Terah dies. At this point Yahweh gives Abram a kick up the backside and points him towards the Promised Land.\n\nSome time after they arrive in Caanan there is a famine, and what happens next has a direct bearing on Genesis 19 as cited.\n\nAbram, taking Sarai his wife and Lot with him, goes down into Egypt (always a type for the world). Here they encounter all the corruption of Pharaoh’s court and the fleshpots of the most advanced nation on earth. After moving back to Caanan, Lot sits round the campfire and dreams of the forbidden things he has seen. If you carefully read the start of chapter 13, you will see that when Lot separated from Abram, he looked to the east, towards Sodom, and chose that because it reminded him of Egypt and the forbidden pleasures that he had been dreaming of.\n\nFast forward now to chapter 19 and Lot has given up farming on the plains outside of Sodom and has allowed the lure of sin to draw him inside the city. Lot had abandoned his God to the extent that he was prepared to allow his daughters to marry those that God called detestable, but even so, God did not abandon him.\n\nWe know what happened next, but if you really think that God condoned the sin you have to be crazy. The offspring of those illicit unions went on to form the Moabites and the Ammonites, two of the most cursed tribes in history.\n\nThis is a classic morality tale of reaping that which you have sown and is recorded not only as historical truth, but as an admonition to all of us. Genuine queries on any of this are welcome.
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I read that this morning. It was very interesting. It made me wonder though if it had been written by some apostate of the period though. \nI am open to new scripture being found. I'm sure that all of Christ's apostles wrote their testimonies. But I want to read it for myself and see what it has to say before I decide if its truth or not.
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Please restate the question with clarification. Are you talking about the ten commandments Moses brought down from the mountain?
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Exactly my friend....Exactly....Sadly Christians will never understand full what they are talking about....they can easily write off any other story ever written about Gods or things like that...but when it comes to what they believe it has to be real and true! Mucho props to you!
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A person needs to read this passage very carefully, and it really helps to read it in the Hebrew. The three men are never actually identified as God. A number of Jewish rabbis have noticed the same thing. It is *first* said that Abraham was sitting in his tent and had a vision of God, *then* he opened his eyes and saw three men. While Moses's narative style sometimes has an overview of events, and then more details, it's hard to say if that's what's happening here or not. In fact, it's almost funny to read if you take the stance that these three were angels in the last half of Genesis, because it has Abraham speaking to the angel that remained behind, and calling him "Adoni" (Lord) but never YHVH. But the one to reply is always YHVY and never Adoni. Also, in Genesis 18:22, it says that the men Abraham was speaking with turned and left, but Abraham stayed and pleaded with the LORD.\n\nBut even if you take the stance that one, or even all three, of these "angels" were in fact God Almighty, there is nothing to keep God Almighty as a spirit from creating a body and animating it himself. St. Augustine gets into that kind of an idea  little bit in one of his 15 books on the Trinity, I don't remember which off the top of my head.
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This is an un-Biblical teaching that is one of the top reasons why I no longer watch John Hagee.\n\nBelievers in Dual Covenant Theology believe God has two plans of salvation:  one for the Jews and another for gentiles.  These folks believe Jews don't have to accept Jesus Christ as Messiah to be saved, even today.\n\nJohn Hagee was "called out" in public for this about 6 months ago by Jerry Falwell.  My memory tells me this had something to do with an article in an Israel news paper.  Pastor Hagee lied and stated he doesn't teach Dual Covenant Theology.  I know for a fact he did, because I heard him.  Interestingly, all the shows where he preached this no longer are in syndication.\n\nPeace.\n\nEDIT:  "Steph," you've misinterpreted my response.  You've also confused the Mosaic Covenant with the Messianic Covenant.  Dual Covenant theology does, in fact, teach Jews don't need Jesus; not now and not in the past.  I'm not saying I agree with it (I don't), but this is what folks who believe this teach.  Check it out.
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That is a very intelligent rant there. Good for you. And, thank you for being the christian you are.\n\nNow, for all the laughable responses you got.\nThe bible is not historically accurate. It has been PROVEN many biblical stories were in fact translations of ancient roman, african, and greek stories. NOT the word of god. Also, nothing in the bible is able to be verified. Therefore it cannot be classified as anything but Fiction.\n\nAs for God having the power to make sure his words were conveyed correctly. That is also highly incorrect. It has been discovered much of the bible was not even close to interpreted correctly from it's original form. It has many completely made up parts and was written by christians with alterior motives and an agenda.
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Could it be because God never wrote any of it?\n\nRead the course in miracles. A real revelation, not a counterfeit one like the bible.\n\nLove and blessings Don
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! SOMEBODY IS BRAVE ENOUGH TO SPEAK OUT IN TRUTH! You are 100% CORRECT! ALL of the so-called "holidays"(holydays) were NEVER commanded in the Bible-EVER!!! Jeremiah Chapter 10 directly mentions a "christmas tree" as an IDOL! Astarte (Easter) is mentioned many times in the Old Testament as an ABOMINATION TO GOD!!! Tammuz is also in the Old Testament! And not in a good way! People simply follow what the "crowd" says to follow! DOES THAT MAKE IT RIGHT??? Borrowing Pagan traditions and somehow transforming them into "holy days" is unacceptable worship to GOD! DON'T BELIEVE A NOBODY LIKE ME--READ YOUR BIBLE!!! Please see for yourself! Then you will know what God REALLY feels about man-made traditions.....
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A necessary note from Pablo. \n\nWhere is the Ark of the Covenant? The Ark of the Covenant mysteriously disappeared 2,500 years ago. Amateur archeologist Ron Wyatt claimed he found it. It is important to realize that three of Ron’s many discoveries are widely accepted: \n\n\nThe Turkish government has officially proclaimed that Ron Wyatt found Noah’s Ark. \nIsraeli tour guides take visitors to the site Ron Wyatt identified as the sites of Sodom and Gomorrah where the cities, although turned into ashes, are still visible. \nAnd most investigators believe his discovery of Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia, as well as the site of the crossing of the Red Sea by the children of Israel. \n(Necessary is to say that lately some immoral "investigators," in order to make money through their books and videos, have attempted to appropriate for themselves these last two discoveries by not giving proper credit to Wyatt when they make their presentations of it). (For some evidences of Wyatt's discoveries see links at the end of this article) \nNotwithstanding all the above validated discoveries, many so-called "skeptics" — Christians and not — still doubt Ron’s claim that he found the Ark of the Covenant and go to all extremes to deny it. Why? Because its acceptance would entail too many serious consequences for many uninformed Christians unconsciously affected by the all-encompassing Replacement Theology, for rabbinic Judaism, for all pagan religions of the world and for Evolutionism. In other words, its acceptance would deeply revolutionize the fabric of human society due to its "disturbing" spiritual ramifications. Therefore, Satan will use any and all his minions in order to try and stop the information on this page to be publicly known, and most of all accepted. Read on, and let the Spirit of the Almighty tell to your heart and your mind what the truth is. I know that his truth can make you free — or freer. \n\nPablo \n\n\n\nThis article describes in detail the most amazing and important discovery ever made in Archeology. The finding of the Ark of the Covenant by a Christian amateur archeologist, Ron Wyatt — a real Indian Jones — in 1982. Here you will find out why you might have never heard of it before despite of its proven reality. In this description there are many things that are amazing enough as to leave the blockbusters of Steven Spielberg deep in the dust. The reality and significance of what Ron Wyatt discovered in so fabulously mind blowing that only God, the ultra-imaginative Creator of the Universe could ever had conceived the most portentous element in this discovery. If you have Christ in you, be advised, you will cry. I did. It is also necessary to say that Wyatt made his phenomenal discoveries (this was not the only one, here you will read about several in connection with the sacred Ark) by strictly following the indications given in the Bible and by tuning with God in prayer. He proved that God uses those less likely to do His work on this earth ... and the results are awesome that lead to you bow and worship Him who has no equal in Eternity. To Him all Glory. To Wyatt thanks in Heaven. And to you a huge surprise lies ahead. Read on. \n\n"For nothing is secret,that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad."   Lucius (Lukius, Luke) 8.17 \n\n\n\nIntroduction To The Discovery\nRon's Studies\n\n\nWhen Ron Wyatt returned to America after his unusual experience in Jerusalem, he studied the Bible closely, noting the last time the Ark's location was mentioned. He discovered it was when King Josiah of Judah wanted to reform the country, "Moreover Josiah kept a Passover unto the Lord in Jerusalem; and they killed the Passover on the 14th day of the first month. And said unto the Levites that taught all Israel, which were holy unto the Lord: 'Put the Holy Ark in the house which Solomon the son of David king of
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No, there has been an tremendous amount of effort to provide natural explanations to the supernatural events described in the scripture. It doesn't matter how far-fetched the alternate explanations are. As long as they make no mention of the supernatural, they make national news. Read the article. Here are some choice quotes - \n\n"But they say geological core samples suggest that average temperatures were lower in Jesus' day, and that at least two protracted cold spells occurred in the region 1,500 to 2,500 years ago."\n\nWOW! What a revelation! The samples SUGGEST that in a period of one thousand years, the temperatures may have dropped to freezing temps TWO TIMES! \n\nThere's more! "In addition to chilly weather, their explanation depends on a rare physical property of the Sea of Galilee ... It is fed by salty springs along its western shore that produce plumes of dense water, thermally isolating areas that could freeze even if the entire lake did not, they assert." \n\nWell, in addition to the chilly weather that occurred twice in a thousand years, more conditions apply. If thermal isolation was ocurring, some of the areas COULD freeze. \n\nLet's recap. We're scientists and we don't believe the Biblical story is true. But, we'll pretend it is and come up with a far-fetched explanation that makes national news and makes the Bible's story sound like bunk. \n\nSo, here's the story: Twice in a one-thousand year period, the temperatures may have gotten really cold. We don't know how cold, but we'll assume that the tropical&#92;subtropical climate of the middle east possibly even got down to freezing temps. Because we know that there is no way it could get cold enough to freeze a large body of water like the Sea of Galilee, we'll mention that there is some thermal isolation in the sea. These isolated regions may have got cold enough to freeze completely solid. These regions may even have become solid enough to support the weight of an adult male. \n\nWhat about the other details of the Biblical account? Why didn't the heavy winds that night help mix the water and dissolve these thermally isolated regions? How did these ice sheets stretch out three and a half miles and provide a perfect walkway right up to the side of a moving boat? What about Peter? He walked on the water for a little while, as well. Did he just happen to step out onto a floating piece of ice? \n\nThe solution offered by the researchers, speculative and far-fetched at best, still fails to handle the Biblical account accurately. They have taken the parts of the Biblical account that were convenient to try to discredit, but ignored the speciic details of the Biblical account. For the uninformed reader, especially those who are looking to discredit the Bible, this article is music to their ears.
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Hm attacking the author of a book for his creativity. So the book is fiction. You do realize that there are those that claim your new testament is fiction as well, right? Im might tell you as well not to believe everything you read. Right? I want to know why you think Dan Brown needs professional help, amanochev. What leads you to make such an intolerant and vapid statement? Bred2B, people could say the exact same things about the bible. Pure fantasy. Why is it blasphemous? Its a novel. Dont tell me youre starting to act like someone published a cartoon of sorts...People have freedom of speech and expression. Dan Brown wrote an entertaining book, that millions have enjoyed. Blasphemy? Dont you think thats a wee intolerant...And maybe a little dumb sounding? LIke it could have been said centuries ago? Im just curious. In the meantime, heres a post of mine, I think some of you should read.http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AqkU6qiSgh7Cn30xkZZXD8fsy6IX?qid=1006022602143\nBeruch hashem