That neither party wants to solve the current flux of low-wage Mexican worker issues? They see these low-wage workers as the answer to globalization problems the USA is having with competing with other low-wage countries.\n\nI personally am sick and tired of hearing... ' the jobs are gone and NOT COMING BACK.' Like we are suppose to accept and just live with it. \n\nI say: NO!! HELL NO!! FIX THE PROBLEM! Bring back incentives for countries staying within the states. And since NAFTA has obviously backfired, UNDO it! FIX THE PROBLEM!
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They(Immigrants) are Being Used in a Political Game,  and what This Country's Government is doing to Them is an Insult to Them, but they aren't bright enough to figure that out..........(??Or  ARE  They??) \nAnd apparently MANY AMERICANS aren't either. \n\nWealthy farmers and landowners have always considered the slavery as a birthright. Since the Civil War, it has been denied to them,\n\nBut they got it back with the WTO GATS-FTAA-NAFTA-CAFTA-agreements. \n\nAnd therein lies the strategy for addressing the question of illegal aliens, the so-called ‘guest worker’ programs, the sale of American Citizenship for profit and the destruction of the lives of American citizens who are being crushed financially, emotionally and spiritually by the WTO trade agreements \n\nThey(US GOVT.) will turn America into the same kind of country that Mexico is - a Fascist State with a tiny minority Controlling ALL the Wealth- and the rest of the people in Abject Poverty. \n\n!!!!!OH NO! were being invaded by Dishwashers, and Fruitpickers !!!!! \n\nWashington Can Try to sell the image of the sweet, hard working Mexican people someplace else because I Know Better, And I Aint Buyin It . \n\nWhat do you think you'll have when you Destroy the American People?? \n\nAnd the American Infrastructure??\n\nThe United States will Cease To Exist\n\nDo you Think you'll be Free? Do you Think you'll be Masters of your Destiny? \n\nThink Again because the people that you are supporting - the Illegal Invaders to America Aren't Educated enough and They Aren't Smart enough.\n\n When you look at Globalists like \nBush, Cheney, Rice,  Frist, Kennedy,McCain, Specter, Kerry, and others in Our Nation’s Capitol, \nyou’re looking at men and women Performing a Frightening Experiment on the United States of America. \nYou’re also looking at men and women who have Failed to Stand Up for the U.S. Constitution.\nThey’ve Failed their Oath of Office. \nThey contrived us into an un-winnable war; \ncreated a Horrific National Debt; \nOpened our Borders to unending Illegal Immigration;\nOutsourced, \nInsourced, and \nOffshored Jobs stolen from our middle class—and finally, they abet lawlessness of 20 million Illegal Aliens—instead of preserving our Rights as American Citizens. \n\nIf  WE THE PEOPLE  Don't Stop It,  It is going to Destroy us ALL Eventually.  \n\nThey(IMMIGRANTS) will be The MODERN DAY EQUIVALENT Of Slaves - \n\nAnd SO WILL WE (Citizens)\n\nArticle IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution: \n"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion..." \n\nBut What Difference Does It Make? After All, The Constitution Is\n\n"Just GODDAMNED PIECE Of Paper"               \nhttp://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/091205pieceofpaper.htm \n\nWe ALL Got SOLD OUT\n\nWe have to start calling it what it is - Slave Trade and we need to dig out our blue uniforms and fight the war against the Slavers once again.
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Mexico is no longer corrupt? Oh, I am so RELIEVED. Now we can send all the illegals back and the Mexican government will finally do right by it's people, and they won't have to risk their lives to sneak in here to make enough money for their families to survive on.  Whew!!!\n\nHere's part of what he had to say:\n\n"The future of North America must guarantee great competitiveness, greater regional security, greater availability of energy, greater trade exchanges and, naturally, a greater well-being for all of its inhabitants," said Fox, who is also scheduled to visit Washington state and California this week.\n\nDoes greater well being for all its citizens mean the US should continue to allow illegal immigrants to live here?\n\nForget it, Fox.  Take them back home to your improved country, let them boost the economy for their homeland.
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Several people told me they used to do \nthe "jobs Americans won't do" \nuntil local employers figured out \nthat they could get ILLEGAL Aliens to do the work \nfor less than half the same amount.\n\nAsk Your Professor If He Thinks It's Fair To US Citizens\nFor ILLEGAL ALIENS To Continue \nTo FALSELY DEPRESS WAGES\nie : Building A Pool For 5000 Dollars\nWhen The Job Is Actually Worthy Of The 15,000 Dollars\nAn American Citizen SHOULD Get In The US Economy\n\nThe Cost Of Living In This Nation Has TRIPLED \nIn The Past 10 Years\nYet Our Living Wage Has Been Cut In Half\n\nAs an example, \n(Your "Mexican and a Russian mowing" Example) \na young landscaper \nwho used to make $15 an hour 10 YEARS AGO, \ncan't get a similar job now for more than $8 an hour. \nSame heat. \nSame difficult working conditions.  \nBut with the Depressed Wage, \nAMERICANS – who live in a country where the cost of living \nis miles above that of Mexico's – \ncan't afford to take such jobs.\nIt's not that he and other Americans \ndon't want to do landscaping anymore; \nit's just that in heavily trafficked ILLEGAL ALIEN environments, \nIT DOESNT PAY WELL ENOUGH ANYMORE.\n\nYounger U.S.-born high school graduates \nare squeezed at both ends. \nJobs that would have gone to them in the past \nare now being grabbed by college graduates. \n\nThe lowest-wage jobs are unappealing, \nand employers will not raise wages \nas long as ILLEGAL ALIENS will take them.\n\nIf this is what the open borders crowd means \nby ILLEGAL ALIENS doing jobs Americans don't want, \nthey're right. \nAmerican workers want jobs \nthat can Earn them a DECENT LIVING in this country. \n\nMinimum wage is a fortune south of the border, \nbut it doesn't go far here. \n\n\nAsk Your Professor If He Will Continue To Cut The Throats\nOf Americas Middle Class\nOne Blue Collar At A Time\nBy Continuing To Pay The Mexican Or Russian \n8 Dollars An Hour To Mow His Grass\n\nAlso Ask Him How He Would Feel\nIf His 100,000 Dollar Per Year Job\nSuddenly Was Filled By A Professor From Another Nation\nFor Only 50,000 Per Year UNDER THE TABLE\n(This ^ Is An Example,\nI DO NOT KNOW His Salary\nBut I Think You Get The Point)
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they're producing important class of labour for the US because we need it. don't believe this illegal shit,  the only reason we're now trying to fight it is because we just figured out that we're not the smartest countries with our immigration rules. We want cheap labour but the minimum wage law prevents us from this so now we want to immitate the arabian countries and bring cheap mexican labour under a 'work visa' which doesn't give the same rights as a residency or citizenship, but first, we must clean the dirt and start new..
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Nobody supports untramelled immigration.\n\nMany people have particular exceptions to put forward: farmers who need pickers http://snurl.com/pickers ; factory owners who need cheap labor (per Malthus, Marx) and know that competition from immigrants will drive down wages; small businesspeople who know they can get away with hiring undocumented workers using phony ID and social security numbers; and established firms who know they can subcontract to those smaller ones.\n\nThen there are those who accept that illegal immigration is a natural product of policies they want: farm subsidies -- paid to agribusiness; NAFTA that far from sucking jobs to Mexico as Ross Perot thought, sucked farm jobs up to America from Mexico. (US manufacturing jobs were sucked over to China; subsidized US farm crops, dumped duty free in Mexico under NAFTA, put Mexican farmers out of business. No wonder farm hands come to the US for jobs to feed their families.\n\nTraditionally, migrants once in the USA are just as happy to close the door and keep others from entering, and driving wages down further.\n\nThe present Administration is of two minds: listening to the public anxiousness over seemingly uncontrolled entry of aliens; and those who contribute most to the Party: the business and agribusiness interests mentioned above.
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I'm not sure I'm reading your question properly:  Would refusing to hire illegals make Mexico better and be better for illegals?  \n\nTo be honest, I think the particular illegal must think his or her immediate future is better here and working.  However, as social policy, so long as we are a pressure valve for Mexico's poor and criminal (gee, thanks on that last, too) they have no need to reform.\n\nI did notice that Kennedy tried to put into the Senate Bill something about OSHA regulations having to be followed for the guest workers, too, and IT WAS VOTED DOWN!  I am not sure what that is supposed to mean.  Guest worker eyes, fingers and toes aren't important to protect?  Aliens thrive on lead based paint dust? \n\nI'm beginning to think we should go with clean border security now, then take a long hard look at how we want to handle the rest.
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If these companies weren't so greedy and always thinking about profits all the time...americans needs jobs, too.  The state in which I live in have offered some companies here very nice incentives for them to stay instead of moving operations to Mexico or somewhere where is are plenty of cheap labor.  There are too many greedy companies and corporations out there.  Seriously, what are they going to do with all that money?
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*Noddling for this is an interesting question* I can sum my thoughts up simply using one word from the topic.\n\nILLEGAL!!! Says it all dun ya think?\n\nNow for the more expanded version...\n\n1st I wanna say I have no prob with immigrants, after all most of the people we concider American's ancestors (and some of mine) were immigrants who came here by legal means. There is no problem there.\n\nBut, I do have a problem with the huge amount of money being shelled out by us tax payers to pay for welfare, education, medical ect to someone here illegally.\n\nNot only that, it is evident here in states on the borders that businesses are using low wage/under the table pay Illigals as their workers. And we are not just talking picking fruit in fields. All sectors are now affected by it, from construction, to manufacturing, to high tech trade jobs. It is wrong that Americans who wish to work cannot find work at a reasonable wage and must resort to accepting near minimum for positions that took years of educational expenses and experience to be able to do or to go on unemployment as they cannot find the work that pays a reasonable wage to meet living expenses or to move to areas not as affected by the situation...\n\nIt is past time our government here in the US starts representing the US people and stop accepting big business money to ignore the problem.\n\nJust my 2 cents...
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I don't think anyone wants to see 'guest worker' ANYTHING until about 1/2 million mexicans go HOME. After that starts to happen,then we can start talking about work permits and all that jazz....but right now, Mexico's got a problem, they forgot they LOST the war of 1848 and that americans are just going to stand idly by while they walk back in en masse. The border patrol says Bush's plan is horse%%%%,so we'll have to wait and see what's really going on with this issue, and whether or not this administration's going to carry off the kind of reforms that will make Mexico sit up and take notice...Mexico doesn't just want 2 bites, they want the WHOLE enchilada. They use their people as tools for their policy goals...hold the baby CLOSER to the camera LOLOL
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It´s a lovely idea, but doesn´t sound like anything the current US administration would go for.  After all, while hyping the immigration issue in the media and, frankly, whipping up racism, they are also quite happy to turn a blind eye to US businesses using cheap illegal labour. It´s happening in all western countries at the moment.  The media, backed by the government, incites its citizens to be worried about illegal immigration, while the economy actually benefits from the black market economy working with it. I´m in Mexico now on holiday, but staying with family.  It´s a hard place, with a bad atmosphere.  It definitely needs some help, but everyone here says the corruption is so far reaching, there is no hope.  Your idea is nice but too socialist for anyone in today´s political arena and, like Iraq, would require serious investment, commitment and integrity..... never forget it´s all about the money.
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How about that we are trying to fix the syptoms and not going to the true source of the problem. WE can spend billions for ever and ever and the problem will still be there. Wouldn`t it be smarter and cheaper to go straight to the FACT of why are these people coming here ?? ANSWER:: they are not happy and able to provide a good living for there families in Mexico (lets tell the truth about 99% of the people we are talking about ) Why don`t we HELP Mexico give their people a better chance to make a good living (and not by moving our jobs there)I`m sure if given a choice their people wouldn`t want to leave their families and come here if they could prosper in their own country... It might cost us some money at first for many years even but it would be better than FOREVER battling this problem that will never truely be fixed othrewise.Then the problems with the other illegals would be(dealing in a much smaller group of people) easier to deal with and could be more of an organized prosses.Instead of having to keep track of 3 million people it might could be 3 thousand.
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I started poking around the site and found some of the other things about NAFTA, FTAA and SPP.  It really is scary that so many people do not understand what is happening to our country.  A lot of people will call you a bigot or a hate monger if you say something about illegals.  I really have more of a problem with the government lying and saying they are doing something about the illegal immigration.  The fact is, they let it happen because it is part of the broader plan to make Canada/United States/Mexico one economic entity.  This will at some point lead to one country.  And they sit there and say you are unpatriotic if you don't support the war in Iraq!  In the meantime they are stabbing the American public in the back and selling them down the river.  I must reiterate, I don't hate the illegals.  I hate those that have let our borders turn into a "free trade zone".
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It's a great big circle of events that not many want to tackle or try to understand. You may think I am off track here but please read on.\n\nAlthough some unions are corrupt, there are many that serve a purpose. CWA and IBEW to name just two. Over the years they have been losing their power due to employees not wanting to spend the extra dollars on representation that doesn't appear necessary at the time. Or, for some reason, do not believe business will take advantage of them. And, when a United States president (Reagan) can terminate an entire work force because of the threat to strike it takes away what power the unions have.\n\nToday, there are far fewer unions representing workers than there were 25 years ago. By the way, 25 years ago, most of us felt comfortable with employment and the long term benefits of staying with one employer. This is no longer true.\n\nEmployers now feel they can freely hire who ever they want because they have no threat of a bargaining entity that, if they (the employer) treated the employees poorly would be threatened with a strike or action by the union.\n\nSo, since employers have the ability with impunity to hire who ever they please, why wouldn't they hire under skilled, low wage earners like illegals, no matter how they speak or write. It's all about profit!\n\nI had a job 25 years ago that paid $11 per hour, at the same time I bought a house that cost: $ 30 thousand. Today, that same job pays $ 17 - 19 per hour, the house: $275 thousand. The math: Wage increase less than 100%. Cost of housing increase more than 300%.\n\nAll I'm saying, nobody is protecting the worker. It won't matter if there illegal unless imagration, border and customs are able to do their jobs. And, employers start paying a fair wage for qualified craftman in most trades.\n\nJust so you know, I'm white collar and voted for Reagan but can see the injustice.
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If we made Mexico a state this corp would have no where to go close by to get cheap labor. And then they would have to come back here and not get tax breaks for going to mexico. WE have a President who is in bed with Mexico and wants cheap labor to come into the United States.
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Wow, you people amaze me on here. I don't mean just one person in particular I mean everyone! Before you begin to pick sides, please understand the other side of the argument. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but there are some things people just need to realize man. First off, illegal aliens, yes they should be sent back because they are illegal. But people though, if their country is so much better off with our "outsourcing economy" why is it they still want to come into our country? Another thing is because they are doing the jobs that are paying low wages and yea, they are doing it illegally; but let me ask you something, what about all the americans who are here working as drug dealers, bank robbers, and criminals trying to get their money? Aren't they as illegal as the illegal aliens trying to make a living? Oh an please don't get on me with that immigrations get more welfare: to be honest with you the "caucasian populations" get more welfare and is more dependent on the state. So therefore I've contradicted myself in both ways, which explains what I'm trying to say please think before you judge, and learn before you speak. That's all....... thank you..
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Economic problems require economic solutions. Mexico has used the US as a safety release valve for too long now, it's time to pressure them to improve the lives of the people there.
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I know what you mean and you have a point there but..... Is not up to the USA government or up to the American Corporation to establish new laws in Mexico. It's up to the Mexican government to make their laws be obeyed and create new laws for the benefits of their citizens. The problem is not the companies that goes to Mexico looking for cheap labor and pay the lease of money or benefits to the workers, the problem is the Mexican government that don't give a shit for their citizens. They are the big problem and they are so inept and corrupted that they rather send their citizens to the USA illegally than to creat new laws for the better of their citizens. Mexico is what the government and the Mexican people wanted to be,,,, what you see.