gdpr consent
What&#39;s the rationale for &quot;joint controller&quot; instead of keeping every entity doing stricly separate?
<p>After reading <a href="http://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf?num=C-40/17" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Case C-40/17</a> and <a href="http://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf?num=C-210/16" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Case C-210/16</a> I still cannot figure out why GDPR would require &quot;joint controller&quot; decision.</p>
<p>Wouldn't it be much simpler to decide that e.g. in &quot;Fashion ID&quot; case, the Facebook <em>cannot</em> set cookies if Facebook hasn't acquired consent from the end user? That would allow embedding Like buttons on any page at will and Facebook could only track the users that have already given consent for Facebook. Technically facebook would have been able to run their own JavaScript code on the host page so they could have implemented the consent query on any page if they really wanted to set cookies only after getting consent.</p>
<p>This would also immediately solve questions such as <a href="https://law.stackexchange.com/q/50337/34270">Who&#39;s liable for GDPR compliance when embedding/hosting a self-contained 3rd-party website/service?</a> and <a href="https://law.stackexchange.com/q/55925/34270">Who needs to implement Cookie Consent for embedded content?</a> because in both cases the host that wants to set non-necessary cookies would need to independantly verify they already have been given consent for those cookies. As GDPR doesn't define how such content must be acquired, there could be an UI on the host domain document and then the acquired consent must be explicitly transferred to 3rd party. In practice, the transfer cannot be just &quot;it's okay&quot; but &quot;user has given consent for trackingdomain.com via domain example.com at yyyy-mm-dd with log id abc123ef&quot; because GDPR requires that the user must be able to retract the consent later and entity doing the processing must be able to specify the origin for the consent.</p>
<p>Is the current ruling just caused by the interpretation that embedding any content via URL is considered <em>implicit</em> consent for the whole domain?</p>
<p>In practice, this would practically prevent 3rd party cookies for any services the user hasn't expicitly visited previously.</p>

<p>The rulings you refer to are not primarily about cookies or consent. They are about pages who use Facebook services, and claim that Facebook would be the sole data controller. As the ECJ has ruled, this is not the case: causing or contributing to Facebook's processing of personal data can establish a joint controller role. Thus, the admin of a Facebook page ends up being co-responsible for the correct use of cookies on that page, and the embedder of a Facebook like button ends up being co-responsible for sending visitor data (such as IP addresses) to Facebook.</p>
<p>You are correct that joint controller situations are messy and potentially difficult to navigate. But the “joint controller” concept reflects the reality of the legal situation that more than one person/entity can meet the definition of a “controller” for a particular processing activity.</p>
<p>It is possible to avoid joint controller situations, for example when processing activities are structured suitably, or when one party engages the others as data processors. Of course, it would be contrary to Facebook's interests to act as a data processor because FB wants to use the personal data for their own purposes, not solely for the other controller's purposes.</p>
<p>Some detailed notes:</p>
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<li><p>The Fashion ID case does not involve the <em>setting</em> of cookies, it applies more generally to any personal data a browser might send while making a request.</p>
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<li><p>Both of these cases are not about Facebook's responsibilities, but about the responsibilities of data controllers that use Facebook's services. You can't just embed/use third party services and argue that you're not responsible for compliance.</p>
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<li><p>GDPR does not require explicit records of consent to be stored. Doing so might even violate the data minimisation principle. The GDPR has the weaker requirement that “the controller shall be able to demonstrate that the data subject has consented to processing of his or her personal data” (Art 7(1)). This could perhaps be demonstrated indirectly, e.g. that it is not possible to trigger the processing activity without giving consent.</p>
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<li><p>The controller of a page embedding content does not have influence over the use of cookies by that embedded content and would not typically collect consents for that content.</p>
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<li><p>Instead, embedding pages typically collect consent for the <em>loading</em> of third party content, e.g. “click to show content from twitter.com” or a greyed-out Facebook icon with a toggle next to it. This page (about the Fashion ID ruling) has a wonderful example with an embedded YouTube video:</p>
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<p><a href="https://i.stack.imgur.com/POv4B.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.stack.imgur.com/POv4B.png" alt="a blurred-out placeholder for a YouTube video player embedding, with a consent dialogue up front" /></a></p>
<p>Source: <a href="https://www.verbraucherzentrale.de/wissen/digitale-welt/datenschutz/eughurteil-likebutton-von-facebook-nur-mit-info-an-nutzer-12029" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.verbraucherzentrale.de/wissen/digitale-welt/datenschutz/eughurteil-likebutton-von-facebook-nur-mit-info-an-nutzer-12029</a></p>
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<p>Translation:</p>
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<p>The video is currently deactivated to prevent unwanted data transfers to Youtube.
To activate, please click the link!
This will transmit data, but we can't provide information on their type, scope, and purpose.</p>
<p>Link: <strong>show video</strong></p>
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<li><p>There is no such thing as implicit consent under the GDPR. Consent must be indicated unambiguously. Art 4(11) defines consent as “any freely given, specific, informed and unambiguous indication of the data subject’s wishes by which he or she, by a statement or by a clear affirmative action, signifies agreement to the processing of personal data”.</p>
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<li><p>It is quite likely that, were Facebook to set cookies via embedded Like buttons or to use Like buttons to create profiles of users that are not Facebook members, that Facebook would be acting illegally. The lack of suitable consent would be a concern. But that matter was not being litigated in the cited cases.</p>
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