united-states search-and-seizure arrest fourth-amendment
Can police arrest you to later fish for probable cause?
<p>Do police need to have established probable cause before they arrest you, or can your actions later validate the lack of probable cause that they had when they arrested you?</p>
<p>I suspect this may just be one of the many reasons not to talk to the police.</p>

<p>Police may not arrest you without probable cause, and the existence of probable cause is evaluated “at the moment of the arrest.” <a href="https://casetext.com/case/beck-v-ohio" rel="noreferrer"><em>Beck v. State of Ohio</em>, 379 U.S. 89, 96 (1964)</a>. Therefore, police may not “look for after-the-fact justifications for [seizures] that would otherwise be impermissible.” <a href="https://casetext.com/case/us-v-hughes-23" rel="noreferrer"><em>United States v. Hughes</em>, 606 F.3d 311, 316 (6th Cir. 2010)</a>.</p>
<p>In <em>Beck</em>, for instance, the defendant was arrested because he had a prior record of illegal gambling and because an officer had heard &quot;reports&quot; about him doing something that was never specified. When the officer saw the defendant driving, he stopped him and searched his car, but found nothing. He arrested him anyway, and when they got to the jail, they found betting slips in his pocket. He was convicted under the local gambling ordinance based on that evidence, but the Supreme Court reversed the conviction:</p>
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<p>The constitutional validity of the search in this case, then, must depend upon the constitutional validity of the petitioner's arrest. Whether that arrest was constitutionally valid depends in turn upon whether, at the moment the arrest was made, the officers had probable cause to make it — whether at that moment the facts and circumstances within their knowledge and of which they had reasonably trustworthy information were sufficient to warrant a prudent man in believing that the petitioner had committed or was committing an offense.</p>
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<p>However, if they want to arrest you for Crime A but only have probable cause to arrest you for Crime B, they may arrest you on that offense, and doing so may quite easily give them the time or access they need to gather additional evidence on Crime A. This is why so many large drug busts start as turn-signal violations.</p>

<p>It depends on the meaning of &quot;can.&quot;  Do you mean to ask whether it is lawful, or whether it is possible for police to make such an arrest, or whether it is possible for such an arrest to lead to a successful prosecution?</p>
<p>As Rock Ape correctly points out in <a href="https://law.stackexchange.com/a/71101/333">another answer</a>, such an arrest is unlawful.  Nonetheless, police make arrests without probable cause all the time.  In the most egregious cases, the prosecutor recognizes this and orders the release of the arrested person.</p>
<p>But the police don't have to prove that they had probable cause until later.  If they discover something after the arrest that allows them to make a credible claim that they had probable cause at the time of the arrest, then they'll get away with it.  The less credible their claim, the more likely it is for the arrest to be found unlawful, whether by the prosecutor or, later still, by a judge.</p>

<p><strong>Can police arrest you to later fish for probable cause?</strong></p>
<p>Answer for <a href="/questions/tagged/england-and-wales" class="post-tag" title="show questions tagged &#39;england-and-wales&#39;" rel="tag">england-and-wales</a> (although presumably there are similar conditions that must be met in the <a href="/questions/tagged/united-states" class="post-tag" title="show questions tagged &#39;united-states&#39;" rel="tag">united-states</a>):</p>
<p>This would be an unlawful arrest, potentially aggravated by false imprisonment (and/or kidnapping).</p>
<p>The American phrase &quot;probable cause&quot; is not used in the UK but it (somewhat) equates to the two elements that make a lawful arrest required by <a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/60/section/24?timeline=false" rel="nofollow noreferrer">s.24 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984</a>:</p>
<ul>
<li><p>Suspicion of an offence, and</p>
</li>
<li><p>Belief an arrest is necessary (<em>if not met, then the officer has other options such as giving words of advice for low-level offending, issuing a Fixed Penalty Notice or Traffic Offence Report or releasing the suspect on <a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/60/section/30A?timeline=false" rel="nofollow noreferrer">&quot;street bail&quot;</a> ​to appear at police station at a later date</em>)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>The arresting officer <strong>must</strong> reasonably satisfy both elements in his own mind (e.g. not just blindly following orders, or by applying unjustified suspect-profiling) at the time and not later with hindsight or serendipity - especially as the officer <a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/60/section/30?timeline=false" rel="nofollow noreferrer">must take the suspect to a police station as soon as practicable </a> to justify the arrest to another officer, independent of the investigation, who will or will not authorise the suspect's further detention. This gives little time to come up with a plausible story (although it does happen).</p>
<p>*(On a scale of 0 to 10 - with 10 being total knowledge and 0 being no opinion at all - suspicion may be as low as 2 or 3 whereas belief starts at 7 or 8.)</p>

<p>To further Rock Ape's answer for England and Wales police forces in the UK.</p>
<p>An offence can be dealt with in a number of ways, including the Street Bail or Voluntary Attendance (VA). This is when you take the suspect's contact details, let them go and will arrange for them to attend a police station to be interviewed for the offence at a later date.</p>
<p>So when is it okay to detain someone and remove their Human Right of Free Movement?
To do this you must present at at least one of the following necessities of arrest (with a handy acronym of COPPLANID) at custody before they are put in a cell.</p>
<ul>
<li>Child or Vulnerable Adult at risk - Think spouse beaters. Are they going to go back and further attack the victim?</li>
<li>Obstruction - Prevent unlawful obstruction of highway. See the latest
Extinction Rebellion for example of that.</li>
<li>Public Decency - You've caught someone with their pants down; even if
they do them up, do you think they'll just drop them again in 5
minutes.</li>
<li>Prevent Injury to self or others - Self in this case is the suspect.
They are a suspected child molester and the lynch mob is outside.</li>
<li>Loss or Damage to Property - Someone has shopped them in; they let
slip &quot;I'm going key their car the f*****g snitch&quot;.</li>
<li>Address can't be ascertained. - You've got someone where the offence
is normally dealt with by a ticket through the post. Except they refuse
to give the address or the Officer believes the address they are
giving is fake.</li>
<li>Name can't be ascertained - See above.</li>
<li>Investigation - Prompt and Effective Investigation - Are they are a
drug dealer and you need to detain them before they get home and
trash the evidence? Are they going to go off and intimidate a
witness? You need to show that by letting them go and dealing with it
at a later date, the investigation will be compromised.</li>
<li>Disappearance of person in question - The person has a history of
leaving town, failure to attend VA, or court. You can detain this
person and then they could be up in court the next day.</li>
</ul>
<p>Once you have the necessity does it stay forever? No.</p>
<p>There are no magic words or special procedure for de-arresting someone. Say you arrest a spouse beater because you don't them going back again (Vulnerable Adult at risk), but after the initial incident has died down and the beater is in the back of the police car, the spouse packs a bag and says she is going somewhere that the offender won't know. Someone could argue that the necessity has gone as the offender no longer poses a risk to that vulnerable adult. Lawyer could argue that and get the continued detention classed as unlawful.</p>
<p>So to lawfully arrest someone you must have:</p>
<ol>
<li>An offence that you have witnessed or a strong suspicion that one has occurred (that will stand up to initial scrutiny in custody).</li>
<li>A necessity that requires the arrest and further detention of a suspect.</li>
<li>That necessity, to the officer's knowledge, still exists when arriving at custody.</li>
</ol>

<p>In formal English common law, a person cannot be arrested unless they are in commission of a felony and the person or persons arresting them have observed them committing that felony. In all other cases, by formal law, a warrant of arrest would be needed. Note that there is no need to &quot;arrest&quot; someone to charge and prosecute them for a crime and the expectation under English common law is that a person is only arrested if there is need to do so, such as to identify the person. Otherwise, it is expected that if a person is thought to commit a crime, then what should happen is that they should be <em>indicted</em>, and then summoned to court where they face trial. None of this requires that the person be &quot;arrested&quot;, only that it be known who they are, so that they can be summoned.</p>
<p>Obviously, in the modern world the police and the courts ignore this part of common law principles and arrest people on hearsay evidence after the fact, even for misdemeanors. One reason for this is that most states completely immunize police against being sued for false arrest. For example, in New Hampshire there is the following language:</p>
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<p>Any claim arising out of an intentional tort, including assault,
battery, false imprisonment, <strong>false arrest</strong>, intentional mental
distress, malicious prosecution, malicious abuse of process, libel,
slander, misrepresentation, deceit, invasion of privacy, interference
with advantageous relations, or interference with contractual
relations, provided that the employee whose conduct gives rise to the
claim reasonably believes, at the time of the acts or omissions
complained of, that his conduct was lawful, and provided further that
the acts complained of were within the scope of official duties of the
employee for the state.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>So, in other words a policeman only has to show that he &quot;reasonably believes&quot; his conduct was lawful to be immune from a lawsuit for false arrest. Furthermore, I believe that New Hampshire's laws against false arrest (that criminalized false arrest) were deleted about 10 years ago.</p>
<p>However, there is a risk for the police in that if they were to engage in false arrest routinely, then there would be a political backlash and the laws against false arrest could be re-instated. For this reason police are cautious about arresting someone unless they have some kind of &quot;reasonable&quot; evidence that the person has committed at least a misdemeanor.</p>
<p>In New Hamsphire, if a person is arrested falsely, the usual course of action is to sue the police for false imprisonment, which is the only law remaining on the books for this kind of action. In some cases, in recent years courts have allowed these civil lawsuits to proceed if the police conduct was particularly egregious. For example, in one case a man was arrested and imprisoned for a long period of time when his drug addict girlfriend trained her 6-year-old daughter to say he raped her. He sued the police for false arrest after his lawyers finally forced the prosecutors to show the girl's record which featured a long list of similar lies against other people. The trial court dismissed the lawsuit, but on appeal the Supreme Court of NH vacated the trial court's ruling and allowed the lawsuit to proceed.</p>
