part of the kernel right so if you have the kernel installed it's there isn't it?
<Chipaca> i'm still wanting to nuke python out of there
<ogra_> davmor2, not the userspace
<Chipaca> iptables the userspace things are quite large, even
<davmor2> ogra_: grrrr ogra2 keeps getting priority over ogra_   fair enough wasn't sure if it was a separate thing or not nice to know though :)
<Chipaca> ogra2 isn't an async ogra_ ?
<ogra_> Chipaca, nah, its my snappy test setup for the bip snap in longterm testing :)
 * Chipaca reads "yes, yes it is"
<ogra_> haha
<longsleep> Chipaca: nuke python2 or python3 - but please keep a python there so snaps do not have to ship python for simple scripts and stuff
<Chipaca> longsleep: https://github.com/micropython/micropython :D
<longsleep> mhm - i am not sure i like that
 * longsleep prefers to have /usr/bin/python 
<ogra_> we will definitely get rid of python at some point
<ogra_> thats like saying "we need nodejs in the image so snaps dont need to ship it"
<longsleep> well, python has been standard on linuxes for centuries - i am not sure if node qualifies as comparison
<Chipaca> ogra_: not node! v8, clearly
<davmor2> Chipaca: isn't the system-image-cli stuff written in py3?
<Chipaca> longsleep: so has X
<Chipaca> davmor2: yes. But that's already on the chopping block.
<longsleep> but whatever, in my case i would need a python framework to avoid having 30 snaps each shipping python for scripting
<Chipaca> davmor2: apparmor-click is also py3
<longsleep> to me, removing python is the same as removing /bin/sh
<longsleep> or /bin/bash for that matter
<Chipaca> oh, i agree. bash should also go >:D
<jdstrand> I'm not saying python shouldn't go, but fyi, it adds something in the neighborhood of 40M to a snap
<jdstrand> (if using it with snapcraft, for example)
<Chipaca> here's the thing
<Chipaca> right now, it's in a weird state
<longsleep> yes - i mean that would be fine if there is a framework
<Chipaca> where we don't *promise* it'll be there
<Chipaca> but people still depend on it
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