making away from
those who lose sight of the org's goals.

The point of the union is when management makes decisions, which can be unfair
and uncaring to the worker, that their rights, safety, and livelihood also are
represented with fairness. The alternative I offered to you was, in an
organization large enough, they could request to move to a different project.

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fogetti
Saying that they can become managers is like saying they can become the
president of the U.S. The point is that you cannot become a manager at all if
you disagree with management in the first place (and that doesn't mean you
don't have the chops). Also the number of management seats are limited. The
number of union seats has no upper limit.

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ColonelSanders
> Saying that they can become managers is like saying they can become the
> president of the U.S.

I don't think that analogy is proportional, since that'd make a manager at a
furniture store on par with a head of state. But I get it, there isn't
unlimited management roles. Because if there were, everyone would be on their
own.

If you want to influence and shape business decisions - you want to be a
manager.

How do you become one? By showing competence as an employee and joining a
lower management position. Successes are how they climb the ladder. Yes, they
definitely can innovate, and they can also play it safe.

People in upper management also hop between companies and have similar
positions.

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fogetti
I think you don't understand what I said. You can't climb the ladder if you
disagree with management. And that's not because you have no talent and
management has the talent. There is no such correlation.

Is this clear now or do you need more help to understand?





Cloud Computing Makes Servers Obsolete - lmacvittie
http://devcentral.f5.com/weblogs/macvittie/archive/2009/07/31/cloud-computing-makes-servers-obsolete.aspx

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TrevorJ
Because the "cloud" is made up of something other than servers?

Am I missing something here, or is this just semantics?

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jshen
Yes you are.